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Lords Reform

Hi, R'n'B,

thanks for visiting Lords Reform. I have within the last hour just amended the sub pages and amalgamated most of them. Does your comments on subpages refer to before or after the "slaughter"? I would love someone to give me some advice how to set these all out. I'm a novice, and I've only just realised that I can have one subpage with "#section", so I am struggling to work out even basic things. Mike 12:24, 2 October 2006 (UTC)

RussBot: Telecom (disambiguation) -> telecommunications

The article on MegaFon stated:

"The company was founded by Finnish and Swedish [[Telecom (disambiguation)|national telecom]] companies..."

User:RussBot disambiguated this to telecommunications.

Wikipedia has no article on national state owned telecommunications companies or Telecoms. I have created Telecom (disambiguation) for the specific purpose of being able to link to the disambiguation page Telecom without the danger of it inadvertently being disambiguated to somewhere else.

I understand the linking to a Abcdefg (disambiguation) type redirect should guard against such dab attempts. Evidently your bot does not follow this rure. -- Petri Krohn 00:38, 4 October 2006 (UTC)

• Hmmmm.... it seems you're right. I don't know what happened; that was two weeks ago and I don't remember that particular edit any more. But since there was an explicit link to (disambiguation), I should have left it alone. --Russ (talk) 00:45, 4 October 2006 (UTC)

RE:Disambiguation

Please don't edit links to pages with "(disambiguation)" in the title by removing the (disambiguation). See Wikipedia:Disambiguation#Links to disambiguation pages which explains why these links exist. Thanks! --Russ (talk) 15:41, 4 October 2006 (UTC)

Ah, I see your point. Thanks for learning me. -Oatmeal batman 03:47, 5 October 2006 (UTC)

Sosicles (Sculptor)

I wrote the article de:Sosikles and translated itself. Is it forbidden?--Mario todte 15:28, 5 October 2006 (UTC)

• No, not at all. I just think it needs a native English speaker to improve it. Thanks for contributing to the English Wikipedia! --Russ (talk) 15:38, 5 October 2006 (UTC)

Null Problemo. --139.18.15.20 16:45, 5 October 2006 (UTC) --Mario todte 16:46, 5 October 2006 (UTC)

WikiProject Disambiguation Talk Request

This is a form message being sent to all WikiProject Disambiguation participants. I recently left a proposed banner idea on the WikiProject Disambiguation talk page and I would appreciate any input you could provide. Before it can be approved or denied, I would prefer a lot of feedback from multiple participants in the project. So if you have the time please join in the discussion to help improve the WikiProject. Keep up the good work in link repair and thanks for your time. Nehrams2020 21:41, 9 October 2006 (UTC)

Boer Wars

This edit, replacing Boer Wars with a link to the second, and more famous, does not seem sufficiently justified. I did not write the replaced text, but I see no reason why both Boer Wars cannot be intended; the First Boer War was not a textbook example of British military genius either.

It is unfortunate, but inevitable, that Boer Wars is a dab page; linking like [[First Boer War|Boer]] [[Second Boer War|War]] doesn't serve the reader very well, and what else are we here for? JCScaliger 14:07, 12 October 2006 (UTC)

It seemed to me that the text was using the phrase "from the Crimean War to the Boer War" to refer generally to all the wars of the later 19th Century, and so the Second Boer War would be an appropriate point to use to signify the end of that era. However, it certainly isn't free from doubt. (And I don't think it's inevitable that Boer Wars is a dab page; dab pages are really intended for use when there are two or more unrelated topics that happen to have the same name.) --Russ (talk) 14:23, 12 October 2006 (UTC)

RussBot odd edit summary

Not sure what's up, but the edit summary on this edit doesn't match the edit made. The edit was disambiguating a link, not reverting fiction (the IP specified has not even edited that article). Powers ^T 00:36, 15 October 2006 (UTC)

• Sorry about that; I was suffering from BOIS (bot operator inattentiveness syndrome). If there were a way to edit an edit summary, I would.... --Russ (talk) 12:30, 15 October 2006 (UTC)
  • No problem, just wanted to make sure there wasn't a glitch somewhere (well, not in the software at least!). Powers ^T 19:50, 15 October 2006 (UTC)

Edit summary

I like to be able to trust bot edit summaries an not have to look at them, but this one that I happened to look at seems misleading. Any idea what might have been going on? - Jmabel | Talk 22:11, 20 October 2006 (UTC)

• See the immediately preceding section on this talk page. About 10-15 edits got through with bad summaries before I caught the error. Unfortunately, there is no way to go back and change the summaries. --Russ (talk) 19:15, 22 October 2006 (UTC)

Wikify article?

You placed the "wikify" template on a new article stub re Samuel Chadwick, but I'm confused about what you want done, as it was created in full Wiki format with the references, headings, wikilinks, and style Wiki recommends or requires. Unless something specific remains to be done, (in which case, please tell me), please remove the template. Also, thanks very much for catching the capitalization problem and moving the article to the right namespace. -- Lisasmall 00:32, 23 October 2006 (UTC)

• I would suggest you look at Wikipedia:Guide to layout, and particularly the following guideline concerning the introduction to biographical articles:

Normally, the first paragraph summarizes the most important points of the article. It should clearly explain the subject so that the reader is prepared for the greater level of detail and the qualifications and nuances that follow. If further introductory material is needed before the first section, this can be covered in subsequent paragraphs. Introductions to biographical articles commonly double as summaries, listing the best-known achievements of the subject. Keep in mind that for many users this is all they will read, so the most important information should be included. Avoid links in the summary--users should be encouraged to read the summary, and the article, before jumping elsewhere. In addition the colored highlighting of the links may mislead some users into thinking these are especially important points.

The Samuel Chadwick article as it now stands doesn't clearly explain who the individual was or what he was noted for. You can figure it out only by reading through the entire article, and even then you have to put several pieces of the puzzle together yourself. The article needs a one-paragraph introduction that says who he was and what he is known for, and then provide the more detailed biographical material in subsequent paragraphs.

Thanks for contributing to Wikipedia! I certainly don't want to discourage you from submitting articles -- this is a valuable addition to the encyclopedia, and I hope you can make it even better! --Russ (talk) 10:43, 23 October 2006 (UTC)

Imagined O.K.

Saw you have been having trouble with Imagined, does not require deletion. It is a reputable organization that helps students find jobs in artistic fields. I know this because I was a student and they helped me. --User:Jerimah (talk) 20:18, 23 October 2006 (UTC)

• Maybe it is; I have no way of knowing. However, Wikipedia is supposed to be based upon published, verifiable sources, not "take my word for it." --Russ (talk) 20:21, 23 October 2006 (UTC)

Thomas Mudd

This item does not require deletion. This is in fact Thomas Mudd, most of the items on this page are verifiable by me, except the one about me being missing, I am in fact still residing in the Ipswich area. I am a local DJ in Ipswich and regularly play at such clubs as Liquid, Zest, Bounce (Norwich) and Route (Colchester). Please can you check your facts before you try deleting issues. I did attempt to make some potion though it didnt work. It contained Eucylyptus and other items and i still have a bottle if you wish to experience this yourself. Please get back to me asap on this subject as i would be gutted to have lost my reference on this page.

• I'm sure it is you, Thomas. No offense, but you might want to look at WP:Autobiography. Russ (talk) 20:55, 23 October 2006 (UTC)

Mudd

Hi there - I agree with you changing Mudd to a disambiguation page, just one thing. Please next time you move a page check what links to it first. I had to move 8 pages links/redirects to the create Lt. Mudd after you created it - but you should have done this when you moved the page. Sorry for nagging --Lethaniol 22:00, 23 October 2006 (UTC)

Test templates

Hi, thank you for your fight against the vandalism on Wikipedia. Just a tip for the future: when you load a page with {{test2}}, the server needs to load the Template:Test2. To lessen the charge, you can put {{subst:test2}} instead and the text will directly be incorporated in the page when you press Save page :) -- lucasbfr ^talk 20:29, 24 October 2006 (UTC)

sources needed

Hi, i wrote the article Tangomagia. I said the conversation language was English. You ask for sources. I have been there the last two years and the site of the organisation is English. I don't know how to make a source out of that, or do you like other kinds of sources? What? I am just asking.--Freek Verkerk 19:23, 21 October 2006 (UTC)

• See WP:CITE. Wikipedia articles are supposed to be supported by verifiable sources, not the personal observations of authors. Has no one ever written a newspaper or magazine article about Tangomagia? --Russ (talk) 15:04, 23 October 2006 (UTC)
  • ok, thanks, i will check for newspapers on the internet. Do you trust them? I thought the relyability of the wikipedia depended on their own authors, not on the authors of some obscure newspaper. --Freek Verkerk 20:33, 25 October 2006 (UTC)

Why delete country links?

I was just wondering why the Russbot deleted all of the links to the countries of origin in The Overcoat (film) ([1]). Esn 23:36, 25 October 2006 (UTC)

• See the Manual of Style. This is a disambiguation page, and the only links on such a page should be those that point the reader to the topic in which they are interested. Someone who lands on this page is presumably looking for an article about a film, not an article about Canada or Russia. --Russ (talk) 12:19, 26 October 2006 (UTC)

Common-Law Article

Still getting use to all the tricks here; but ....

It seems that you have taken the liberty of deleting the text i recently added to the common-law article.

Further; you did so without so much as a word to me.

Can you do me the courtesy of telling me why you did that?

Is that too much to ask?

Charles Bruce, Stewart.

Sandy Oregon. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Charles8854 (talk • contribs) 06:27, 12 October 2006 (UTC)

Re: Imagined speedy deletion

Imagined was originally on Wikipedia a few months ago, still on Answers.com. Someone did a major re-write on the article and it was deleted. I have replaced it with the original article. Imagined is a notable company helping the artistic community in Canada. Please see http://www.answers.com/topic/imagined-2 --User:Grownup21 15:16, 23 October 2006 (UTC) Thanks

Thanks

Thanks for [2]. Garion96 (talk) 21:35, 26 October 2006 (UTC)

Upcoming template changes

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Jan Cox (philosopher)

I wasn't sure if a comment could be made on the RfC page so I'm leaving it here. I'm fairly new to WikiP, but I've been doing some behind the scene stuff with Bios, specifically infoboxes. Anyway I've done some tweaking at his page and hopefully it will deter the edit and spam wars. Take a look and tell me what you think. Here Jan Cox and here Talk:Jan Cox. Thanks --Maniwar (talk) 15:25, 27 October 2006 (UTC)~

• It certainly looks like an improvement to me. Thanks! --Russ (talk) 17:05, 27 October 2006 (UTC)

Please comment here if you so wish [3]. --Maniwar (talk) 03:27, 7 March 2007 (UTC)

Why?

Why did you revert my edits to Shock site? Whirling Sands 21:54, 29 October 2006 (UTC)

It looked like vandalism. If it wasn't, I apologize. --Russ (talk) 21:56, 29 October 2006 (UTC)

I was trying to merge in information from the Last Measure page that is being deleted. Whirling Sands 21:57, 29 October 2006 (UTC)

Dablink notification error reports

Hi, just got an auto response from some bot (apparently) that says I added a link to dab page British. In fact I only added a CR to a line, no actual text of any kind. The links is complains about was there in the article in the first place. I can only imagine the potential that exist for bot spamming here. Take a large article with plenty of British dab links and add whatever and I imagine that one will be hosed with spam messages of this kind. Please fix this asap! Also the very message is sort of defunk. With a "<tag >" in the beginning and double tagging at the end. Twthmoses 18:33, 2 November 2006 (UTC)

Also the responding using the link in the message apparently sends the report into nothingness?!?!? Is this part of the plan? Well I added it manually instead. Twthmoses 18:35, 2 November 2006 (UTC)

OK, thanks for the report. I'm working out the bugs. (And you shouldn't get more than one message no matter how many links to British or whatever else are on the page you edit.) Hmm, I hadn't thought of intentionally sending complaints into nothingness, but now that you mention it, it sounds interesting.... :) --Russ (talk) 18:37, 2 November 2006 (UTC)

LoPbN style

_ _ Thanks for all the Hamiltons!
_ _ I assume you'll grasp the need for regrouping & reformating the noble James H.s.
_ _ I'm actually also glad for your changes from "Brit Scot" to "Scot", tho i counter-edited most of them. The format that suffices for the vast majority of entries is

[[Link|Piping]] (VitalStats), PassportNationality FieldOfNotability

The nationality thing gets squishy before the relative modern stability of states, and there are those like IIRC the Seven-Summits mountain climber Ludwig? Meissner?, who is also IIRC, as an MEP, an Italian ethnic-Tyrolian advocate against Tyrolian integration within Italy, and probably needs more than "Italian" as his nationality. But the two biggest deviations from format are "English" or "Scottish" moderns where "British" should stand. What i'm glad about is that you've gotten me off the dime from making all the Scots "British Scottish". ("English" offers no occasion for hesitation; i've never heard of an English separatist, and i expect everyone but Brits and their minority communities' foreign ethnics think of a Cockney, or of Received English anyway when they hear "British".) You've stimulated me to be bolder and more thorough: modern Scottish politicians i'm presuming may need the national and subnational labels, but it's probably time to start making all other modern Scots plain "British", and let someone better informed follow up by changing them to "British Scottish", on the basis of what the bio article says, where there are special circumstances, like writing for publication in Scots Gaelic or dialect, to justify it. Thanks again.
_ _ I'd like to urge on you the view that Rd-lks on LoPbN are, as elsewhere on WP, a Good Thing. A few years ago, i measured a 5 or 10% per month rate of going blue on a substantial sample, and i can testify that sometimes that happens bcz they are on LoPbN (as opposed to elsewhere on en:WP, or unstimulated by a lk).
--Jerzy•t 16:42, 27 October 2006 (UTC)

• Thanks for the comments. I'm still learning how this little corner of Wikipedia works. I thought you were trying to avoid red-links there, but I'm happy to stand corrected. I suspect that some Scottish people might be unhappy to see themselves described as "British Scottish" - maybe "British politician - Scotland", borrowing from the style you've used for U.S. states, would be preferable. --Russ (talk) 17:04, 27 October 2006 (UTC)
  • As to the Scots, that would be a step in the wrong direction. The (now double) hyphen i use to suffix otherwise ambiguous descriptions, in aid of navigation, would be converted to the service of non-state-nationalist vanity, with the side-effect of suggesting that anything can go after the double hyphens if someone thinks it would be nice to know about the bio'ed person. The virtue of "British Scottish", among neighboring entries that say "American" and "Slovenian" is that it makes no suggestion that anything but an adjective of an ethnic nature can be added to the basic format:

  1. Linked, piped, name
  2. Vital statistics
  3. Adjective identifying state granting their passport
  4. Occupation(s) in which they established their notability

  (The only amibiguity it introduces is that some may assume any adjective that could be interpeted as geographic is eligible.) If there are Scots who object to the accurate juxtaposition of those two adjectives,

  1. completely removing the word "Scottish" will address the objection without impairing the function of LoPbN (for which there is no obvious alternative means), and
  2. it will serve as evidence that it is ill conceived to attempt any accomodation on LoPbN of nationalist aspirations not corresponding to a state contemporary to the bio subject: Basque, Biafran, Catalan, Chippewa, Cree, Mayan, Puerto Rican, Scottish, Tamil, Tibetan, Tyrolian, Welsh.........
     --Jerzy•t 16:21, 3 November 2006 (UTC)

Talk-page watching

Your explicit reference to relying on one's Watchlist re talk reminds of my own need to handle this matter better. I monitor about a thousand LoPbN pages via Related-changes, and my edits on them swamp my watchlist re anything else. Ooh! I see some cool developer has given us what i was just about to long for, the ability to view our watchlists by namespace. If i put up a notice like yours, i'll mention that; its much better than looking for whether my user-talk contribs are no longer "Top", or trying to maintain a Related-changes target list of recent user-talk locations. Thanks for yet another nudge in the right direction.
--Jerzy•t 16:42, 27 October 2006 (UTC)

Thanks!

Thanks for fixing the spelling on my article on The Joint Expedition Against Franklin. I like to think I have good content, but i just type faster than I think, and the words get all mixed up! It is greatly appreciated. Chris Kreider 20:15, 7 November 2006 (UTC)

• You're very welcome, and I appreciate the note. It's gotten so that I dread seeing the "New Messages" banner at the top of the page, because so often it's someone complaining about something. Messages like yours make me happier to see that banner! --Russ (talk) 20:35, 7 November 2006 (UTC)
  • No problem man, I understand how you feel about the messages. I spend alot of time fighting vandalism and i get plenty of nasty messages. Btw, dont know if you saw the barnstar I gave you. I just put it on your main page. If you dont want it there, you are welcome to delete it or move it to your talk page. Thanks again! Chris Kreider 22:58, 7 November 2006 (UTC)

Speedster (comics)

Hi. Sorry to bother you, but it looks we might have an edit conflict at speedster (comics) between myself and Ace Class Shadow. If you could chime in with your opinion on that article’s talk page, so that we can achieve some sort of consensus, it would be appreciated. Thanks. Nightscream 10:54, 10 November 2006 (UTC)

Protection

Unlike most of the requests we get over at WP:RFPP, this one really did need protecting. -- Steel 19:00, 10 November 2006 (UTC)

Thank you

Thanks for pulling the vandalism in glycoprotein for me, I've been watching it for a few days now trying to stop that user from adding nonsense. Wintermut3 02:43, 11 November 2006 (UTC)

British Isles

You changed a link in British Isles from British to British (disambiguation), which is just a redirect to British. Am I missing something? --Khendon 09:16, 11 November 2006 (UTC)

• Wikipedia:Disambiguation#Links to disambiguation pages explains. Russ (talk) 14:38, 11 November 2006 (UTC)

Redirect reason lost

While eliminating a double redirect at Permanente Metals Corp., RussBot removed the redirect reason template, which I see as a bad thing. Please fix your bot and that page. Thanks, --J Clear 17:01, 11 November 2006 (UTC)

• No, I did that intentionally. "Permanente Metals Corp." is an abbreviation for "Permanente Metals Corporation," which was the old redirect target. It is not an abbreviation for "Permanente Metals," the current target. --Russ (talk) 20:53, 11 November 2006 (UTC)

It's still an abbreviation for the formal company name. But the correct article name is another kettle of fish. But why not tag it with {{R from alternative name}} then? --J Clear 16:13, 12 November 2006 (UTC)

Replacing 'English' in 'Churches in (county)' cats

Hi. Thanks for fixing all these 'incorrect' links. Just came here to apologise for giving you a lot of work to do! I've just created and populated these cats to bring some kind of order to the chaos and the content was just cut-and-paste (and edited) for consistency. I would have modified the original had I realised. Sorry again.

Cheers -- EdJogg 15:06, 16 November 2006 (UTC)

Compact Cassette

How is this edit an improvement? Fourohfour 16:56, 16 November 2006 (UTC)

• It eliminates an unnecessary link to a disambiguation page. There is no article on Wikipedia that covers the generic concept of "buffering" although there are several about specific types of buffers. If you want to write the generic article, and you think it will be more than a dictionary definition, be my guest. --Russ (talk) 17:00, 16 November 2006 (UTC)

Whilst you're right that it shouldn't have linked to a disambig page, a generic article isn't required; the intended meaning was already covered by an existing one. Fourohfour 18:08, 16 November 2006 (UTC)

67.122.63.226

Thanks for keeping an eye on this editor. 67 seems to be ruled by emotion rather than rationality and continues to make the same junk edits. Omnivore Oprah 05:32, 22 November 2006 (UTC)

disamiguating British

Hi Russ, I've been disambiguating British, and someone has made a comment at [[Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents#British Adjective. Could you post your comments there. Regards, -- Jeff3000 05:32, 23 November 2006 (UTC)

Felicitation

It actually is: [4]. -WarthogDemon 05:25, 29 November 2006 (UTC)

• Feh. But the article here didn't give the real definition. Russ (talk) 05:30, 29 November 2006 (UTC)

Pronunciation of Debian

Could you tell me what is the pronunciation of Debian?
Zhangyunfan 18:30, 30 November 2006 (UTC)

I'm afraid not. --Russ (talk) 19:25, 30 November 2006 (UTC)

User:65.96.111.157

I noticed you left User:65.96.111.157 this message.

You may therefore be interested in this.

Kevin Baas^talk 18:43, 1 December 2006 (UTC)

Disambig pages maintenance: total articles

Just a question. I understand what causes the number of active articles or the number of total links to rise and fall on the maintenance list (hopefully fall), but what has been causing the number of "total articles" to fall? Do they then reappear when their maintenance becomes a problem, or are they manually added? Dekimasu 06:28, 4 December 2006 (UTC)

Answer on Wikipedia talk:Disambiguation pages maintenance. --Russ (talk) 14:57, 4 December 2006 (UTC)

Vandal fighting

Hey =) Great work on the vandal fighting. Just a note, I have listed two very persistent vandals at WP:AIAV. - SpLoT _{(*T* C+u+g+v)} 16:28, 5 December 2006 (UTC)

• 206.235.249.50 (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · filter log · WHOIS · RDNS · RBLs · http · block user · block log)
• 72.159.134.131 (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · filter log · WHOIS · RDNS · RBLs · http · block user · block log)

SpLoT _{(*T* C+u+g+v)} has smiled at you! Smiles promote WikiLove and hopefully this one has made your day better. Spread the WikiLove by smiling to someone else, whether it be someone you have had disagreements with in the past or a good friend. Smile to others by adding {{subst:smile}}, {{subst:smile2}} or {{subst:smile3}} to their talk page with a friendly message. Happy editing!

Gosh those two are irritating. - SpLoT _{(*T* C+u+g+v)} 16:32, 5 December 2006 (UTC)

Congratulations. Both IPs have been blocked, one for 1000 hours, and the other until July 1, 2007. Cheers (though I'm underage). - SpLoT _{(*T* C+u+g+v)} 16:37, 5 December 2006 (UTC)

P.S. Look at your userpage. - SpLoT _{(*T* C+u+g+v)} 16:49, 5 December 2006 (UTC)

Norman Johnson dab

What MOSDAB policies caused you to rearrange as you did. In particular I believe E. Normus Johnson is clearly relevant on in the see also section. In dabbing human names I use the surname and list of names in the see also section to help searchers find closely related terms. Since Norman Johnson is a bit sparsely populated currently, it is not clear how much better it looks with these additions. Here are some better examples of how these make the see also section more robust: Robert Johnson, Samuel Johnson (disambiguation), IMHO. I would like to discuss. Respond to my talk page before getting into an edit war. P.S. I will be querying both MOSDAB and WikiProject Disambiguation for some clarification. TonyTheTiger 22:27, 10 December 2006 (UTC)

I apologize the prior edit got marked as minor.TonyTheTiger 22:28, 10 December 2006 (UTC)

• I don't feel terribly strongly about your edits. If you really think the additional links are likely to be useful, fine. (I didn't delete E. Normus, by the way....) I just doubt that someone who is looking for a different Johnson (say, Lyndon) is very likely ever to arrive at this page, so it didn't seem particularly useful. --Russ (talk) 11:01, 11 December 2006 (UTC)

NPWatcher

You've been approved to use NPWatcher. Please give me any feature requests or bugs. I'm also happy to help if you have any problems running the program, or any questions :). Before you run the program, please check the changelog on the application page to see if I've made a new release (or just add the main page (here) to your watchlist). Finally, enjoy! Martinp23 21:06, 14 December 2006 (UTC)

Sorry for the delay! I kept putting it off for some reason :) Martinp23 21:10, 14 December 2006 (UTC)

Excellent, thanks :D I hope to do a release some time next week, so I'll put your suggestions in. Thanks, Martinp23 21:33, 14 December 2006 (UTC)

Campo

Why did campolindo get edited?!! —Preceding unsigned comment added by Amdkillsintel (talk • contribs) 21:59, 14 December 2006 (UTC)

• Did you think that saying that the rival high school "blows" would be appropriate content for Wikipedia? If so, perhaps you should spend some time reading our guidelines before attempting to edit. --Russ (talk) 22:02, 14 December 2006 (UTC)

skoar!

You marked the article skoar! for deletion. Actually I was editng the article and pressed 'save' by mistake. Regards --seXie^♭♭_c 22:27, 14 December 2006 (UTC)

Remove text after redirect

I have seen that you have removed text after a number of redirects. Why? There is no policy that says that text after redirects has to be removed (to the contrary, a mediawiki bug has been fixed in order to allow text to stay after a redirect). I'm under the impression that you didn't actually read what was written in these pages; other than text, redirects may also contain categories, which appear de facto to be accepted (see Wikipedia talk:Redirects for details). Tizio 17:25, 22 December 2006 (UTC)

Your impression is wrong. I've looked at the page you linked, especially the section on "Content of redirects: templates, categories, multiple lines", and it appears that while redirects may contain categories, they are not supposed to contain other types of wikilinks because doing so messes up the link tables in the database. If I made a mistake and removed a category that was appropriate to a redirect page, please feel free to point it out to me. --Russ (talk) 17:55, 22 December 2006 (UTC)

There is currently no consensus about how the possibility of using text after a redirect is to be employed (meaning, actually, that no serious discussion has ever took place). There was kind of agreement that cats are ok and links are not, but other than that really no decision has been took. You are correct in saying that you didn't remove any category; however, you did remove text that can possibly be useful if these redirects need to be turned into disambiguation pages.

My concern was that the gap between edits appeared very short (I saw four or maybe five edits within two minutes): if you were doing mass edits without looking at the pages, you'd need approval from the bot approvals group. However, if you are just fast at reading and you stick to only removing text that was unintentionally left when the page was turned into a redirect, I really do not see any problem with what you are doing. This is actually useful, as several people just add "#redirect" as the first line not knowing that the following text is no longer automatically removed (I made that mistake once). Tizio 23:33, 22 December 2006 (UTC)

Re: spaces

Many apologies for increasing work load for other editors by leaving unnecessary spaces before punctuation. Completely unintentional i reckon i should slow down my typing. Will be more careful in future. Tristan benedict 14:09, 26 December 2006 (UTC)

Thanks

Thanks for the heads-up about dismabiguation in Ethnologue list of most spoken languages. Done now.Drmaik 01:08, 30 December 2006 (UTC)

Dalton/Indonesian Handbook

Please do not put a tag like that without first talking to me - you can see I am populating the article - and I am open to talk about it. If you havent heard of tourism in Indonesia I suspect you shoiuld be very careful! SatuSuro 14:35, 4 January 2007 (UTC)

Don't take it personally. The comment was about the article, not about you. In case you hadn't noticed, Wikipedia is a collaborative product, and all of us are equally entitled to participate in any article. --Russ (talk) 14:36, 4 January 2007 (UTC)

Not personally - but notability of a book that goes to 6 editions over 15years to me is not questionable - Dalton's black handbook was the bible for backpackers for a good 15 years before the wheelers - lonely planet people stole the market. I have done post grad level work on tourism in indonesia andd I am bitterly disapointed by the crappy state of touirsm in wikipedia - its is very poor standard and poorly developed. I could try to develop the tourism area- but have already too any other projects. Anyways keep up the good work - I'm sure you'll catcch things worth catching - I dont mind that at all. Happy new year to you and I do hope you manage to weed out the creeping fross! Thanks for responding SatuSuro 14:47, 4 January 2007 (UTC)

Why did you revert my edits?

Why did you revert my changes? Can you positively disprove any of my edits? --132.49.221.25 07:26, 28 November 2006 (UTC)

Citation needed for...?

Hi. Would like to know why you put this thing on Wawelberg Bank building page - "Supposedly this was the first public place in the city where ordinary Petersburgers got their taste of English steak, roast beef, pie and ale.[citation needed]"

What kind of citation is needed, by whom? It's a reference to belief held by city inhabitants pertaining to the location of that particular landmark building, not a quotation or citation by a person that could be linked to a particular speech or public statement. The fact or legend is frequently mentioned in St. Petersburg guidebooks, titles of which are listed in the reference section. Roobit 17:37, 4 January 2007 (UTC)

If it's mentioned in a reference you cited, then you can just put in a footnote to that effect. When you say "supposedly," it sounds like something that is just a story with no evidence that it is true; but if it is documented, then it should be included. --Russ (talk) 18:41, 4 January 2007 (UTC)

Obviously we are now entering the realm of pointless sophistry. Did you read the sentence before you slapped tags and citation requests all over? Or you just did it automatically like a robot? The phrase pertains to the first English pub in the city (around 1800s) where supposedly Petersburgers got their first taste of English pie and ale, however it is quite plausible that some Petersburgers might have tried both pie and ale earlier, perhaps a century before the mentioned event, - in a private house or during a trip to Britain - or perhaps there was another earlier tavern run by some Englishman. This was not a sentence attributed to a statesman (which would obviously need exact quote and reference to where the quote came from). It is impossible to date precisely (unlike an earthquake or a flood) when some inhabitans of a city in Europe tried English steak and pie, except that we may assume - suppose - hence supposedly - that it occurred when first English eatery/drinking establishment was opened (and that is exactly what the sentence says). Is this notion too complex and why does it require a citation? If I wrote that Julius Caesar said that Petersburgers tried spaghetti with marinara sauce for the first time in the year XXXX, then I would be under obligation to provide a citation, a quote, a reference, to when Julius Caesar said such an absurdity. In fact I wrote the sentence with outmost care because if I left the word "supposedly" out, then it would sound as sure thing that this was certainly the actual place where English pie and ale was first tasted but that cannot possibly be the case because there can be no certainty as we'd never know exactly when first city resident tried English style pie and ale. Is this notion too complicated? Thanks.--Roobit 23:11, 4 January 2007 (UTC)

I'm glad your intent was clear to you; it was not so clear to me, and perhaps may not be to other readers. (I'm sure the same is true of some things I write....) I did read the article, not just that sentence but the surrounding text as well, and the impression I got was that some of the text had been written by a person whose first language was other than English, making it more difficult than usual to discern the intended meaning. No offense is intended, and if your first language is indeed English, I apologize for the misunderstanding. --Russ (talk) 23:14, 4 January 2007 (UTC)

I did not proofread the article first and there were indeed a few stylistic errors (and I corrected them since) though the word "supposed/ly" was not one of them. The phrase pertains to something that cannot be precisely dated in this context. Furthermore it did not involve any actual statement by any person , so how can it possibly be referenced to a particular quotation/citation is beyond me. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Roobit (talk • contribs) 07:26, 5 January 2007 (UTC).

Roman road dab

I changed your dab of "Roman road" which you changed to "Roman road" into "Roman road". Any objections? Thanks. --Scott Davis ^Talk 13:44, 7 January 2007 (UTC)

• None. --Russ (talk) 13:53, 7 January 2007 (UTC)

Joy Leftow

I like how you edited the page I began as you made it look more professional. I was wondering if you could help with a few more things, like to set up a link to poets and writers, as they verify before adding anyone to their published lists of authors. wikipedia is difficult to learn to use by one's self. There were a couple of errors, but I attempted to fix.Cyelambert 16:04, 13 January 2007 (UTC)

• Actually, I think it was User:HMAccount who made the edits you liked. I just made one little link fix. You might want to look at Wikipedia:How to edit a page. --Russ (talk) 20:50, 13 January 2007 (UTC)

RussBot request

Hello! Despite polite requests to the contrary, Sig0 has continually moved pages without repairing the resultant double redirects. Would it be possible to add his/her contribution history to RussBot's queue? —David Levy 07:04, 17 January 2007 (UTC)

Sorry, it doesn't work that way. RussBot detects double redirects from the occasional database dumps prepared by the Wikimedia developers. I guess that Sig0's contributions will show up on the next dump, whenever it appears, and be fixed then. --Russ (talk) 10:49, 17 January 2007 (UTC)

UPDATE: Your comment sparked an idea and I have now been able to modify the bot code to scan the moved pages log and look for double-redirects that resulted from recent moves. As you will see on Special:Contributions/RussBot, this resulted in fixing a large number of "dirty" page moves. --Russ (talk) 16:14, 25 January 2007 (UTC)

WUSTL Project

Hello, I noticed you've made edits to WUSTL articles or that you are in some way connected to Washington University in St. Louis. I thought you might want to become a member of Washington University in St. Louis WikiProject . We've recently built the project page and started a drive to improve articles in the WUSTL series. Please take a look to edit an article or add one of your own. Once an article's status has been agreed upon, feel free to stop by and lend a hand in getting it to featured article status. Hope you can participate!

--Lmbstl 11:59, 25 January 2007 (UTC)

Re:User:Tmdvdsvn123

It wasn't my policy that "seems to be encouraging retaliation". In case you didn't notice, there is a clear notice for editors reporting vandals. I quote from WP:AIV: Before listing a vandal here make sure that: 1. The vandal is active now, has received a proper set of warnings, and has vandalized after a last warning. It's the rule that you must warn the vandals before reporting them, and I might add that admins would normally refuse to block inactive vandals (who haven't edited for like an hour), especially when there wasn't a single warning on that particular day. What are the warning templates used for if you don't want to warn the vandals for fear of provoking them? Next time, hand out the warning because only then will you be at liberty to make the AIV report.

I did look at the contribs and I understand that the account seems to be for vandalism only. However, cases of vandals like this are common, I'm afraid we will have to deal with them all the time. Remember: we warn the vandals to give the sign that they have to stop, if they don't then we have the right to get their accounts blocked. Trying to block the vandals without warning them beforehand is rather unwise – PeaceNT 14:16, 26 January 2007 (UTC)

Winstons

Thank you for notifying me about the situation with the Winstons article, I recognise there is nothing exceptionally notable about the article, and I didn't realise this was reason enough to delete it. If this is enough to warrant deletion of the page then I see no reason to stop it, however I cannot clearly see what harm it does to have this page up.

After reading Wikipedia:Places_of_local_interest, it looks like what I could do is fold the Winstons article into the Seaton one. However, the Winstons article feels to big to be put into a page like that, without loosing some information to preserve the topic of the main article (i.e simply cut and pasting the information from the Winstons article in to the Seaton, Devon will detract from that articles information, because a unusual amount of it will be about Winstons).

The page also sites that "Features of the place that distinguish the place from other similar places" may constitute a reason for the article to exist, such things as the naming of the Restaurant as the Sherbet Room. Other information like this could be added (such as the pub previously being a cinema). —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Pureferret (talk • contribs) 23:02, 1 February 2007 (UTC).

Nominating You To Become An Administrator

Hi, R'n'B, I already left you a message on your user page, following the directions in nominating you to become an administrator. You seem to have an expertise in Wikipedia's policies, guidelines, and principles. Congradulations!!! I also see you agreed to the multi license on your userpage. The only thing you don't have in common with an administrator, is that you aren't one, not yet. I am leaving you a message on your talk page in addition to your user page, because I think you would read and respond to it quicker. Can you please tell me if you are interesed or not interested on my talk page. I think you would help benifit Wikipeda! Wiki-pedier 17:38, 14 January 2007 (UTC)

Your bot

Hi R'n'B: can I ask where your bot is getting the list of double redirects to fix? Is it getting it from a database dump? —Mets501 (talk) 01:42, 6 February 2007 (UTC)

It's scanning the log of recently-moved pages, looking for double-redirects that the person who moved the page didn't check for. --Russ (talk) 11:02, 6 February 2007 (UTC)

Good idea! —Mets501 (talk) 22:02, 6 February 2007 (UTC)

Bot request

U recently used your bot to fix the 17+ dbl redirects caused from a controversial move of Pokémon types to Pokémon type. The move has been reverted and the editor notified of why the move was inaccurate. I was hoping you could revert all those dbl redirects back to their former location. -ΖαππερΝαππερ ^Babel_Alexandria 18:59, 9 February 2007 (UTC)

• Done. --Russ (talk) 21:33, 9 February 2007 (UTC)

Bot available?

Due to changes in a couple articles, I've got a ton of links that need to be changed (some double redirects, some away from a dab page). Is your bot available to do some of this? Akradecki 21:41, 9 February 2007 (UTC)

• Only if it's a non-controversial change that can be done without any additional programming. --Russ (talk) 21:42, 9 February 2007 (UTC)
  • First off, Scaled Composites Voyager was moved to Rutan Voyager a while back, and a number of links still need to be changed. Second, the biggest, Canard became a dab page, and almost all the links (well over 100) should be changed to Canard (aeronautics); a few need to be kept the same, but it'd be far easier for me to have a bot change all then go back by hand and reverse the 2 or 3 that go to the dab page. Third, there's a bunch of double and triple redirects that need to be made more direct to Cessna Citation. Thanks! Akradecki 21:47, 9 February 2007 (UTC)
    • Looking at Scaled Composites Voyager, I don't see any double-redirect problems and there isn't a great number of links; if there's any need to change anything, I think it could be done by hand. The Cessna Citation redirects ought to be taken care of at the next database dump (which is in the process of being dumped right now). I'll do Canard as long as you take responsibility for fixing the ones that need to go elsewhere. --Russ (talk) 22:35, 9 February 2007 (UTC)
      • Thanks much for the canard work. I've gone through and there ended up only one that needed to be put back. You've saved me a bunch of work! Thanks again! Akradecki 21:55, 10 February 2007 (UTC)

This is a automated to all bot operators

Please take a few moments and fill in the data for your bot on Wikipedia:Bots/Status Thank you Betacommand ^{(talk • contribs • Bot)} 19:46, 12 February 2007 (UTC)

Why did you remove the redirect from the logo?

futurebird 16:54, 13 February 2007 (UTC)

• Because, if you tried to load the image description page, you got the article Racial segregation instead. (pause) Oh, maybe that's what you wanted to happen. Hmmm, there ought to be a better way to do this, but if so it isn't obvious to me, so maybe the best thing is to revert the redirect for now. --Russ (talk) 17:14, 13 February 2007 (UTC)

• Ah, there is a way to do it after all! I've converted the segregation template to use the ImageMap extension so that you get the desired result when clicking on the image. --Russ (talk) 17:18, 13 February 2007 (UTC)

Malplaced dabs

I saw you put a db-user on the RussBot malplaced disambigs subpage, and you left a comment about having copied it over to the project page. Which project page did you move it to? I'd like to replace it on my watchlist with the official location, if there is one. Wasn't clear to me from looking at your contributions. Sorry to bug you about your user subpages. (^_^) Dekimasuが... 17:50, 13 February 2007 (UTC)

• Wikipedia:WikiProject Disambiguation/Malplaced disambiguation pages‎ --Russ (talk) 17:53, 13 February 2007 (UTC)

Thanks. Dekimasuが... 18:11, 13 February 2007 (UTC)

Your bot and redirects.

Please turn off your bot and have it stop removing text from redirects. You are deleting legitimate categories, generally those associated with the {{R with possibilities}} template (but also possibly from redirects with no redirect category). To quote from Wikipedia:Redirect:

On the other hand, redirects of type {{R with possibilities}} (see below) must be categorized with categories which make this title distinct from the target article, for convenience of the browsing of the categories. See Polka dance for an example.

SnowFire 22:21, 14 February 2007 (UTC)

• It would be extremely helpful if you would show me an example. --Russ (talk) 14:45, 15 February 2007 (UTC)

Apologies. I thought I _did_ drop off an example, but I see that I was more rushed than I thought. I was in fact looking for other instances of the bot doing that, and not finding any, I apparently posted without thinking. The redirect I did see changed was a classic case of reading what should have been there, not what was there; it was supposed to be Category:Title, and it was just a wikilink to title instead.

Sorry to bother you. SnowFire 23:08, 15 February 2007 (UTC)

Computer game disambig

Hey no problem ;) Yes, I will gladly help out on that. I'll add it to my list =D I only did that disambig page because I was sick of seeing fight after fight on the matter, and all I did was change Computer game from being a referal to a disambig. If it had been a rename effort I would have done something to bring it to everyone's attention. BcRIPster 16:23, 15 February 2007 (UTC)

Bot needs to make distinctions between authoring and handling text

The bot keeps linking instances of the word "text" to "writing". This is not accurate when used in various communication design and media development subjects. There is a distinction between writing (authoring) and text (typesetting, typography, text-based information) in these subjects. In these fields, the authors are called "writers". What they do is called "writing" but may not involve text. The people who handle final text in these fields are very seldom the authors. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Oicumayberight (talk • contribs) 21:24, 19 February 2007 (UTC).

• First of all, it's not "the bot keeps linking" but that *I* (the bot operator) keep linking. Second, as you might recall, article titles on Wikipedia are (or are supposed to be) nouns, so a link to writing should be appropriate for a piece of writing, as opposed to (or in addition to) the act of writing. Having said that, however, I'm not working on text any more and will be more cautious in addressing such links in the future. --Russ (talk) 21:34, 19 February 2007 (UTC)

Thanks for the future caution in addressing. Forgive my ignorance of how bots and bot operators work. Oicumayberight 22:24, 19 February 2007 (UTC)

Automated message to bot owners

As a result of discussion on the village pump and mailing list, bots are now allowed to edit up to 15 times per minute. The following is the new text regarding bot edit rates from Wikipedia:Bot Policy:

Until new bots are accepted they should wait 30-60 seconds between edits, so as to not clog the recent changes list and user watchlists. After being accepted and a bureaucrat has marked them as a bot, they can edit at a much faster pace. Bots doing non-urgent tasks should edit approximately once every ten seconds, while bots who would benefit from faster editing may edit approximately once every every four seconds.

Also, to eliminate the need to spam the bot talk pages, please add Wikipedia:Bot owners' noticeboard to your watchlist. Future messages which affect bot owners will be posted there. Thank you. --Mets501 04:46, 22 February 2007 (UTC)

Can you help?

As per Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Aircraft#Hawker Siddeley Harrier - assistance required, I am scouting around for some assistance with a bulk replacement of wikilinks (Hawker-Siddeley Harrier to Hawker Siddeley Harrier). I have been informed that you operate a bot, Russbot, which may be able to assist with this? Any help would be much appreciated. Regards and thanks for your time. Emoscopes ^Talk 06:36, 28 February 2007 (UTC)

• I'm not sure I see what the problem is. There are only two double-redirects (titles that are redirects to Hawker-Siddeley Harrier) that need to be fixed, and my bot will do that the next time it runs on recently-moved pages. --Russ (talk) 10:43, 28 February 2007 (UTC)
  • It was more the large list of single redirects I was worried about. But if the bot will sort that out anyway, then there isn't a problem. Thanks again :) Emoscopes ^Talk 11:19, 28 February 2007 (UTC)

I'm nominating "Rebate (disambig)" for deletion

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Regards, JohnI 18:29, 7 March 2007 (UTC)

I'm nominating "Satsuma (disambig)" for deletion

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Why??

Why did you take out the Ronald Mcdonald Robbery in the Wendy's Article? It was real!Pendo 4 12:45, 8 March 2007 (UTC)

• I didn't. I think you're referring to this edit, which was by a different editor. If the robbery story is real, however, you ought to be able to provide a citation to a verifiable source for it, which wasn't in the text that the other editor deleted. --Russ (talk) 13:49, 8 March 2007 (UTC)

I'm nominating "Brewster (disambig)" for deletion

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I was working on an article and it completely disappeared, would you be able to help me find it into Wikipedia so I can save the work I did online, as I didn't save it before its deletion? It was under Karina Leal "DivegirlUSA". Divegirlusa 16:57, 10 March 2007 (UTC)

• Gosh, no, I don't think so. I'm not an administrator. --Russ (talk) 16:57, 10 March 2007 (UTC)

• Thanks, that was fast. Do you know one? Divegirlusa 16:58, 10 March 2007 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Disambiguation pages with links

I was reviewing this page, when I noticed that a page that I had posted as done had been deleted by you. I then looked through the edit history, only to discover that you modified the count for the links on the various pages, despite the text (copied below with the <nowiki> tag) that clearly says not to do this:

:'''PLEASE READ BEFORE MAKING ANY EDITS''': Kindly do not edit anything between the start of the line and the character string "''|links]]''". You may insert any additional information after this point. When an item is finished, please cut and paste it, ''without revision'', to the end of the "Done" section. Thank you. :The link counts reflect the number of links from main namespace articles as of the dump date shown above. They are unlikely to be accurate at any later date; however, we keep the original count intact as a way of tracking our progress. Please do not change the link totals! ===To do=== <!-- SO THAT OTHER USERS CAN MAINTAIN THE PROGRESS BAR ABOVE, PLEASE DO NOT DELETE OR EDIT THE LINK COUNTS IN THE LIST BELOW. If the count is seriously wrong, do not delete it but note your correction after the "Whatlinkshere" link. -->

So, after that, may I ask, what is you reasoning?--Vox Rationis (Talk | contribs) 20:59, 10 March 2007 (UTC)

• Please see Wikipedia talk:Disambiguation pages with links#February 6, 2007 dump. I am quite familiar with the text you quoted above -- I wrote most of it myself! However, when I initialized the list of pages from the 2007-02-06 dump, there was an error in the script that overcounted the links to most pages, and I had to go back and manually edit the link counts to correct the error. --Russ (talk) 19:08, 11 March 2007 (UTC)

Alright, that makes sense, but there was still the deletion of several links to completed pages. I KNOW I sorted close to 100 pages for Reverse, and I would think that you would want to keep track of that, as it would make it seem like we have done more (always a good thing, esp. when we have). Also, thanks for maintaining this exhaustive list of DAB pages for others to use for the project! --Vox Rationis (Talk | contribs) 20:30, 11 March 2007 (UTC)

Interesting one

Thanks for bringing that to our attention at Infobox Australian Place - there has been some screwy things going on. Another very interesting one concerns major Perth roads. Until very recently, although the links were removed from a template more than a month ago, if you looked for "what links here" on Marmion Avenue, Perth, it showed a whole stack of ghost links from highway articles. This appears to have fixed itself in the last week, so it's a bit hard to demonstrate now, but it was a problem for quite a while. There is the odd one though - at Beach Road article, there's supposedly a link from South Western Highway (a highway which starts more than 40km / 24mi from Beach Road), probably dating from this former issue with the roads template. I think MediaWiki may be having some weird issues. Orderinchaos78 13:26, 12 March 2007 (UTC)

Geobox Region

I'll look into it, there's probably i missing (or extra) curly brace someplace causing a parameter call instead of a paramete reference. – Caroig 13:27, 12 March 2007 (UTC)

Should be OK now, yet I'm still surprised it showed up as it was from an if section which was negative. Might take some time before the links disappear from the Whatlinkshere given the results are cached someplace. I'll keep checking this. Thanks for your notice. – Caroig 13:46, 12 March 2007 (UTC)

Dunno how the caching works here. I deleted the Geoboxes from two pages and they disappeared from the list. I also made a minor edit to the Liberec Region and it disappeared too. There might be some time lag before the database refreses links from pages which haven't been changed, well I hope so. Otherwise some edit would have to be made to the pages to make them disappear from the list. – Caroig 13:59, 12 March 2007 (UTC)

• Thanks for checking into this so quickly. --Russ (talk) 14:02, 12 March 2007 (UTC)