Talk:ZeniMax Media/Archive 1

Archive 1

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So does ZeniMax do anything more than exist to parent Bethesda? Deleuze 20:45, 26 November 2006 (UTC)

Yes; there are/were other divisions, but Bethesda is currently the most important. They used to be into web design and 3D animation; they also do mobile games. Whether or not ZeniMax is currently worth a separate entry, instead of a redirect, is debatable. Josephgrossberg 22:16, 26 November 2006 (UTC)

Now that they own Bethesda AND id, they certainly are. Ausir (talk) 17:37, 24 June 2009 (UTC)

This article has some distinction issues with Bethesda Softworks and Bethesda Game Studios, at least in the intro. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 184.100.250.250 (talk) 07:04, 23 February 2011 (UTC)

This article reads more like an advertisement or end of year profit report for the company. I doubt the impartiality of most of its content. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 206.45.25.87 (talk) 04:22, 4 October 2016 (UTC)

History Section Needs Rewrite

The current history section is just a list of activities. I plan on rewriting it into a new Overview section. I'll try to preserve most of the information, but will remove things that look unnecessary. If someone wants to make a revision to reinsert things they deem essential to the article, feel free to do so. Shaded0 (talk) 21:28, 19 April 2012 (UTC)

Merger proposal

I propose that Battlecry Studios be merged into ZeniMax Media. I think that the content in the Battlecry Studios article can easily be explained in the context of ZeniMax Media, and the ZeniMax Media article is of a reasonable size that the merging of Battlecry Studios will not cause any problems as far as article size or undue weight is concerned. Battlecry Studios is not independently notable enough to have its own article per WP:GNG. Batard0 (talk) 06:41, 12 October 2012 (UTC)

Seems like this went no where so I have removed the merge note as being out of date. -- ferret (talk) 14:29, 19 June 2014 (UTC)

Name

Does the ZeniMax name have anything to do with Zenithar, the god from the Elder Scrolls series? Perhaps one was named after the other. --BDD (talk) 19:41, 9 August 2013 (UTC)

Not impossible, but to have anything worthy of entry into the article, we'd have to ask them whether this is the case. I think it's quite likely - Zenithar in Elder Scrolls is a God of profit and commerce. ZeniMax makes Elder Scrolls, and does have profits and commerce. ;) --BurritoBazooka (talk) 12:55, 10 August 2013 (UTC)

Studio ownership

Need some help untangling which parent company owns which studios. ZeniMax owns Bethesda Softworks, but both are listed as owning the various studios. I believe ZeniMax owns them all, with the possible exception of Bethesda Game Studios. It seems that because Bethesda Softworks handles the publishing for all the studios, it's been attributed as the parent company as well. Easy example though, sources seem to be clear that ZeniMax bought id Software, and Bethesda Softworks simply is responsible for publisher. Will research further later today but if anyone has other input before I dig into all the sources. :) -- ferret (talk) 12:27, 8 September 2015 (UTC)

If you look at the very bottom of this link, it will say that Bethesda Softworks is "a ZeniMax Media company" - [1] 86.165.237.101 (talk) 17:03, 8 September 2015 (UTC)

Correct. That is not in doubt. The problem is that just because Bethesda Softworks is publisher, doesn't mean that the developer is owned by Bethesda Softworks. -- ferret (talk) 17:06, 8 September 2015 (UTC)

I never ever said the Bethesda Softworks was owned by Bethesda. I said that the link clearly says Bethesda Softworks is "a ZeniMax Media" company. Not once did I ever say it was owned by Bethesda themselves. 86.165.237.101 (talk) 21:58, 8 September 2015 (UTC)

I don't think you are understanding me.... For example, Arkane Studios. Both this page, ZeniMax Media, and the publisher, Bethesda Softworks, list Arkane Studios as a subsidiary. It can't be a subsidiary for both. Arkane Studios currently lists Bethesda Softworks as the parent company, but their website says that it's copyrighted by ZeniMax and links back to ZeniMax, not Bethseda Softworks. -- ferret (talk) 23:03, 8 September 2015 (UTC)

I've cleaned this up, since it keeps being switched around. The various studios are owned by ZeniMax Media. ZeniMax is the parent company. Bethesda Softworks is simply the publisher for the games, being publisher does not denote corporate parent-ship. I've also removed the "owner" field from all of the infoboxes again. This is not the correct usage of this field, which is intended to denote the ownership percentages of privately held companies. -- ferret (talk) 14:43, 17 November 2015 (UTC)

Since this is being changed again, please again note that being publisher for a studio does not mean that the publisher owns the studio. See ZeniMax's legal page which clearly does not list the studios as being under Bethesda Softworks (But does show Bethesda Game Studio as under Bethesda Softworks). -- ferret (talk) 17:55, 21 January 2016 (UTC)

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Question regarding ZeniMax's Advisors

There is some confusion regarding this http://www.bloomberg.com/research/stocks/private/board.asp?privcapId=27422911 https://twitter.com/bogorad222/status/423536173739290624

ZeniMax Business Advisory Board Page on the official ZeniMax's website was removed back in 2009(to be specific the names that were displayed there like Terry McAuliffe,Tony Coelho etc were removed),but the Outside Advisors page existed until ZeniMax's website redesign in 2014,but it only listed the legal counsel,outside auditors but none of the advisors.

http://web.archive.org/web/20140510035847/http://www.zenimax.com/ http://web.archive.org/web/20131006133853/http://www.zenimax.com/bab.htm

So if anybody is reading this,i ask what should i do regarding this.Should the page remain the same? Or should i update the page,mentioning something like ZeniMax's Business Advisory Board existed between 1999-2009? Timur9008 (talk) 10:29, 16 July 2016 (UTC)

The lack of a webpage does not indicate whether or not the advisory board still exists. They may simply have stopped publishing the information to the public. I would reword the section to note that the board has (past tense) included the following individuals over time. We don't have a way to determine the present advisory board, but if its important enough to note at all we can still list who has been on it in the past. -- ferret (talk) 14:43, 16 July 2016 (UTC)

Thanks for the reply! Yes i agree with you,so i did as you suggested.I do think this should remain this way until there is concrete info on the Current State of ZeniMax's Advisory Board.Timur9008 (talk) 23:18, 16 July 2016 (UTC)

On a side note apperantly i was blind the Outside Advisors page has always been on ZeniMax's website,just the names that were there, were removed in late 2009.So you maybe right in your assumption that they may simply stopped publishing the information to the public.Timur9008 (talk) 21:22, 22 July 2016 (UTC)

Legal cases

Weaver case: ZeniMax tried to have the case dismissed, claiming Weaver had gone through emails of the other employees to find evidence for the case. (case cited). Weaver appealed and won the appeal.[2] The lack of public discussion since then ==> settlement.

Oculus case: there's a section suggesting there is an ongoing Facebook case separate from the Oculus case, but the cite suggests it's all one suit (the one that was settled). Guardlifer (talk) 05:02, 13 March 2017 (UTC)

Other

Financials - Don't know why these financial data are featured so prominently on this and related articles. Someone wanted the details of those investments to be known... A single source like a filing would be a better source than these zine pieces.

Hostile takeover controversies - Bethesda_Softworks has a whole section on hostile-takeovers which seem to be as relevant here. Human Head, Arkane, &c. Either suspect and should be removed, or worth mentioning wherever subsidiaries come up? Guardlifer (talk) 05:28, 13 March 2017 (UTC)