Talk:ZeniMax Media

3rd largest gaming company in America

I found this today. This is according to Robert Walsh the now-former technical director of enterprise business intelligence at ZeniMax. Can this be included in the lead? (at 0.52)@IceWelder Timur9008 (talk) 10:41, 16 February 2020 (UTC) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MDtvx0DXYVM&list=PLenh213llmcb-fKw9goO-NX7VaTikJTuy&index=14

I wouldn't include this for several reasons. Firstly, this is a primary source as the statement comes directly from an executive of the company. He also does not explain in what way they are the biggest—revenue, employee count, net profit? Lastly (though probably less pressing), he doesn't seem to be that sure about what he is saying given the way he presents the information. If there is a secondary source that can explain why and how ZeniMax is the third-largest anything, it could be included of course. IceWelder [✉] 09:33, 20 February 2020 (UTC)

Thanks for the reply. I"l try to find a secondary source if possible. Timur9008 (talk) 21:20, 20 February 2020 (UTC)

Can this be included? @IceWelder https://wesfiles.wesleyan.edu/courses/syllabi/1161-cweaver-014490-7275.pdf From the source: cofounder of Zenimax Media—the largest private Videogame company in the Americas. Timur9008 (talk) 14:16, 5 April 2020 (UTC)

Timur9008, unless I missed it, I couldn't find any mention of how it is the largest--revenue? Assets? Employee count? The document also appears to have been written by Weaver, a founder of the company. IceWelder [✉] 14:27, 5 April 2020 (UTC)

Employee Count

I think this needs an update. According to Linkedin(I know, not the best source but we don't have to list it specifically because here we don't list one either), ZeniMax employs between 1000-5000 people. This seems to be accurate. The same applies for Warner Bros. Interactive Entertainment at least according to one interview I've read. Timur9008 (talk) 15:55, 7 March 2020 (UTC)

Logo

Shouldn't this be updated? The old logo can be put in the history section to improve the article's quality. Timur9008 (talk) 21:49, 15 May 2020 (UTC) The one on ZeniMax's website is a black one. https://www.zenimax.com/

Board

Is mentioning who is on it irrelevant? Ferret? 92.20.135.243 (talk) 16:44, 13 June 2020 (UTC)

Yes. A clearly politically motivated edit to mention that a Trump family member is on the board, while not listing the rest of the board members, is irrelevant and POV pushy. Reliable secondary sources have not commented on it, so it's not relevant to the article to track the many and often changed board members. -- ferret (talk) 18:28, 13 June 2020 (UTC)

Changed how often? It's usually years. Also, this lists them, using a primary source too... 92.20.135.243 (talk) 01:48, 14 June 2020 (UTC)

Board of trustees is different, but either way completely irrelevant to this article. We do not typically list the board of directors, especially non-notable ones, without secondary coverage. -- ferret (talk) 02:03, 14 June 2020 (UTC)

Are they so different, isn't the former for charities, latter for for-profits? Also, there are secondary sources... 92.20.135.243 (talk) 09:50, 23 June 2020 (UTC)

That source is false though. Robert Trump has been a ZeniMax Board member since the company was founded(1999), same with the rest of the Board members except for Cal Ripken, Jr, Michael Dominguez and Jerry Bruckheimer who all joined the ZeniMax board back in 2007. Timur9008 (talk) 13:39, 23 June 2020 (UTC)

Rob Walsh Interview&one other question

1)Can contents from this article be incorporated into this one? @IceWelder Timur9008 (talk) 12:57, 28 June 2020 (UTC) https://siliconangle.com/2017/10/13/big-data-leads-transformation-pc-gaming/

Specifically this quote. "At ZeniMax, in-game transactions are increasingly the focus of its business."

2)Can ZeniMax's advisors be mentioned again given there are secondary sources covering this?

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/gaming-company-zenimax-receives-99-million-funding/

https://thefederalist.com/2013/10/16/terry-mcauliffe-best-used-car-salesman-world/

https://www.washingtonpost.com/archive/business/2005/08/15/out-of-the-dark-and-into-the-spotlight/01e11d6e-e6a0-4c5a-8a6a-435c16e4fee8/

Per the recent ZeniMax website update

ZeniMax updated their website today. Every mention of the Board of the Directors&management has been removed. What should we do with the Wikipedia page, given now we don't know if Altman is still CEO or not. https://www.zenimax.com/about

@IceWelder@Ferret Timur9008 (talk) 12:24, 9 August 2020 (UTC)

We will probably not need perpetual confirmation of this. Since ZeniMax is a high-profile company, it will be known when Altman steps down. Otherwise, we can still rely on the credits in Bethesda's games for confirmation. IceWelder [✉] 10:19, 9 August 2020 (UTC)

what should we do with the template then? @IceWelder Timur9008 (talk) 21:49, 9 August 2020 (UTC)

https://en.wiki.x.io/wiki/Template:ZeniMax_Media

More or less the same situation, although I found it unnecessary to list every studio head for every ZeniMax studio ever (which is also not quite the point of the template). I cut it down to the founders, which is future-proof. IceWelder [✉] 09:48, 10 August 2020 (UTC)

Owner?

Since Microsoft confirmed that it was acquiring this company, wouldn't it make sense to put something in their title card saying "Owner: Microsoft (Pending)". I remember when Sprint had the same thing happened when they were in the middle of being bought by T-Mobile Bruh32123 (talk) 05:29, 8 October 2020 (UTC)

Microsoft/Xbox Game Studios should not be listed in the infobox until the acquisition is completed. The acquisition is not definitive, so listing it preemptively violates WP:CRYSTAL. IceWelder [✉] 11:17, 8 October 2020 (UTC)

Regarding James L. Leder and Cindy L. Tallent

IceWelder ZeniMax Europe list both as [1] as replaced by other people. Can we remove them from key people from this article? or should we wait for confirmation. Timur9008 (talk) 00.20, 10 April 2021 (UTC)

Division vs. subsidiary?

According to ZeniMax's "about" page, Bethesda Softworks is a division, not a subsidiary. https://www.zenimax.com/about - "Its Bethesda Softworks division, founded in 1986, has a long history of success as a publisher of award-winning video games." — Preceding unsigned comment added by FoyaBeninax (talk • contribs) 03:33, 19 June 2021 (UTC)

Companies do this a lot for various reasons but mostly as a buzzword. In reality, BethSoft is a LLC and therefore a subsidiary. IceWelder [✉] 08:04, 19 June 2021 (UTC)

$7.5 billion or $8.1 billion

Per Microsoft's most recent annual report. Should we change this? [2] (page 39) IceWelder Timur9008 (talk) 10:58, 7 August 2021 (UTC)

Yes. The source also provides more details, like cash equivalents acquired. IceWelder [✉] 10:50, 7 August 2021 (UTC)

About P7S1

I feel that the reader needs to see that "ProSiebenSat.1 Media (a former Kirch Group subsidiary, now 26.58% owned by MFE - MediaForEurope, which is majority-owned by the Berlusconi family's Fininvest Group)" would be good for readers, because it gives some insight, and IS relevant. So, it would be "In October 2007, after ProSiebenSat.1 Media (a former Kirch Group subsidiary, now 26.58% owned by MFE - MediaForEurope, which is majority-owned by the Berlusconi family's Fininvest Group) purchased SBS Broadcasting Group and inherited its stake in ZeniMax Media, now 9% of the shares, ProSiebenSat.1 Media announced it would intensify its relationship with ZeniMax. ProSiebenSat.1 Media launched SevenGames.com, the international edition of its German-language game platform, in December and worked with ZeniMax to develop online games." Doesn't this sound good to you? 2603:6011:AFF0:2CF0:90CC:EFB5:570A:5124 (talk) 17:09, 15 June 2024 (UTC)

How is it relevant to ZeniMax? ProSiebenSat was the one interacting with ZeniMax. It's long chain of ownership is irrelevant. If someone wants that detail about ProSiebenSat, they click the link to that article. -- ferret (talk) 17:13, 15 June 2024 (UTC)

It IS relevant, not irrelvant, as you said. It's not long, though. So, no clicking to that article is needed. It's all there, and no need for removal.2603:6011:AFF0:2CF0:90CC:EFB5:570A:5124 (talk) 17:14, 15 June 2024 (UTC)

It's not relevant to ZeniMax, which is what this article is about. If you care about ProSiebenSat, you click to its article. -- ferret (talk) 17:17, 15 June 2024 (UTC)

I don't care if they click on an article to ProSiebenSat, it's pretty boring to them. That's why I added them to avoid the hassle of getting them to ProSiebenSat. In fact, you want me to remove the link to ProSiebenSat.1? 2603:6011:AFF0:2CF0:90CC:EFB5:570A:5124 (talk) 17:20, 15 June 2024 (UTC)

ProSiebenSat.1 sold its stake in ZeniMax in August 2016. Mediaset, before merging into MFE, bought its first shares in ProSiebenSat.1 in May 2019 -- 3 years later. Beyond the fact that ProSiebenSat.1's ownership situation at the time of its ZeniMax stake ownership (98.1% in free float) had no noticable impact on ZeniMax, Mediaset/MFE was never anywhere near a ZeniMax stake. We do not use this article to list off random, unrelated facts about some other topic; if the reader wants to know more about ProSiebenSat.1 (say, its ownership structure after May 2019), they can and should head to that article. IceWelder [✉] 17:23, 15 June 2024 (UTC)

There. I removed the link. Now they can search for P7S1 instead. 2603:6011:AFF0:2CF0:90CC:EFB5:570A:5124 (talk) 17:25, 15 June 2024 (UTC)

Why are you removing the link? Are you being deliberately disruptive now? -- ferret (talk) 17:43, 15 June 2024 (UTC)

No. I'm redirecting them to use the search bar instead. 2603:6011:AFF0:2CF0:90CC:EFB5:570A:5124 (talk) 17:45, 15 June 2024 (UTC)

Blocked for pointy disruption. At this point essentially vandalism. -- ferret (talk) 17:49, 15 June 2024 (UTC)