Talk:Serzh Sargsyan

Spelling

Please somebody correct the spelling of the first name. It should be Serge ---not Serch(this is so wrong)

Comment

Some facts given in the article seem to be incorrect or at least not official. Compare [1].

compare the Armenian, English and Russian versions of that page:

hy:

• 1971 թ. ընդունվել է Երևանի պետական համալսարան
• 1972-1974թթ. ծառայել է ԽՍՀՄ զինված ուժերում
• 1979թ. ավարտել է ԵՊՀ-ի բանասիրական ֆակուլտետը

en:

• 1971-1979 Philological Dept, Yerevan State University (1972-1974 Service in the Soviet Army)

ru:

• 1971-1976гг. Ереванский государственный университет

most likely (at least) one of them is wrong.

He is also the chairman of the National Security Council, which is an important position. And Presidential contender, which should be elaborated upon. --adil 07:45, 25 March 2007 (UTC)

What happens in other pages does not necessarily reflect on all articles. Artaxiad 19:20, 25 March 2007 (UTC)

What a day today! He is now the acting PM of Armenia, after the strange passing away of the Armenian PM. And of course he is the leading contender for the post of the President. --adil 07:14, 27 March 2007 (UTC)

And...? Švitrigaila 14:21, 27 March 2007 (UTC)

Correct English Spelling

The English transcription of Armenian words is needed here instead of a transliteration. Please move the article to Sarkisian. Only people who know Armenian can understand the correct English pronunciation of “Sargsyan”. Thank you.

There is no reason to use the "Sarkisian" spelling. Most of Armenian sites use "Sargsyan" themselves, for example : [2] or [3]. Eastern Armenian (the only form of Armenian language official in the Republic of Armenia) has a pronunciation different from Western Armenian spoken by the diaspora from the Ottoman empire. In Eastern Armenian, գ is pronounces rather "g" and կ is rather "k". In Western Armenian, it's the contrary. The name of every Armenian citizen must be transcribed following the Eastern pronunciation. Švitrigaila 11:23, 17 December 2006 (UTC)

Sarkisian is the correct spelling of his name because he is a President of Armenia, which uses the Eastern Armenian dialect, whereby the last name is pronounced Sarkisian, with a k like in the word "rack" not Sargsyan, where the g sounds like, "rag."

President

Can we please wait until he becomes the president, and then apply the title. VartanM (talk) 05:50, 21 February 2008 (UTC)

SAS supermarkets?

I'm disinclined to believe the information added by 144.124.16.33, because of his other recent edits, but I don't actually know. Anyone?
—WWoods (talk) 20:02, 21 March 2008 (UTC) My name is Karen Martirosyan. I am a Business Development Director of SAS GROUP LLC. The information you've included in this article about Serzh Sargsyan's business assets does not correspond to the reality. SAS GROUP LLC is owned by brothers Sargsyans - Artak and Aram Sargsyans. Please, delete this paragraph from the article about the biography of Serzh Sargsyan. If needed, I can present the necessary documents for confirmation of my opinion. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 83.139.7.146 (talk) 07:29, 23 July 2008 (UTC)

Karen, what is the relation of Artak and Aram Sargsyans to Serge Sargsyan? Serouj (talk) 07:37, 23 July 2008 (UTC)

Serouj, There is no relation between Serzh Sargsyan and Artak and Aram Sargsyans. SAS means Sargsyan Artak or Aram Samveli. Please, remove this disinformation from Serzh Sartgsyan's biography. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 83.139.7.146 (talk) 07:51, 24 July 2008 (UTC)

Karen, how can SAS stand for "Sargsyan Artak" or "Aram Samveli"? In the former case, the initials of the supermarket would be "SA" and the latter "AS". I don't follow your logic... The standard explanation is that it stands for "Serge Azati Sargsyan". Serouj (talk) 18:02, 24 July 2008 (UTC)

My friend SAS means Sargsyan Artak Samveli. IS it OK for you? If you have a phone number leave it in this discussion panel i will call you. I hope you understood me and the next time the article BUSINESS ASSETS will be removed.

Regards,

Karen Martirosyan —Preceding unsigned comment added by 83.139.7.146 (talk) 06:27, 25 July 2008 (UTC)

Serouj is there a neutral reliable source that can confirm if Serzh Sargsyan is connected to SAS? The companies website doesn't mention him. Please remember that we have to follow the WP:BLP rules. VartanM (talk) 21:20, 26 July 2008 (UTC)

Thanks Vartan, will try to find one... It's difficult to ascertain the ownership of assets here in Armenia, because even legal papers show ownership under a relative or friend, when in reality the ownership is really under another person (the bulk of profits of the enterprise are going to another person). Serouj (talk) 17:47, 27 July 2008 (UTC)

PM

who will be the next PM of Armenia when Sarkisian become the President? Georgereev118118 (talk) 15:04, 1 April 2008 (UTC)

It has not been decided yet. Popular belief pointed to Robert Kocharian but both Sarkissian and Kocharian have denied that Kocharian will become Prime Minister. - Fedayee (talk) 15:14, 1 April 2008 (UTC)

when will it be decided? Georgereev118118 (talk) 15:54, 1 April 2008 (UTC)

Removed POV project tag per [4]. Atabek (talk) 08:01, 10 April 2008 (UTC)

Photo of Sargsyan

Can we please get a decent picture of Sargsyan without violating copyright rules?—Preceding unsigned comment added by MosMusy (talk • contribs) 09:01, July 26, 2008

Done. Please don't forget to sign your posts. VartanM (talk) 21:34, 26 July 2008 (UTC)

International Herald Tribune Reference

Serouj, the reference that you have put back talks about the preliminary results of the elections after only 28% of the ballots were counted. Given that all of the ballots have been counted long time ago and lots of more informative and accurate articles have been written on this topic (see Armenian presidential election, 2008 for example) can you explain to all of us here, why do you think it is so important to have that particular reference here?

-Սահակ/Sahak (talk) 22:29, 30 October 2008 (UTC)

Because the other 2 articles in that sentence don't reference it. Feel free to replace the reference with one that's more up to date (after the elections.Serouj (talk) 17:21, 31 October 2008 (UTC)

In my comment I wrote that there is already one reference (Armenian presidential election, 2008) and that is enough. Why don't you like Armenian presidential election, 2008 reference? -Սահակ/Sahak (talk) 18:18, 31 October 2008 (UTC)

Protests

I added several objective sources backing the paragraph on protests against Sargsyan. BBC, NYTIMES, RFERL and IWPR.Neftchi (talk) 20:44, 26 April 2011 (UTC)

Name

• "Serzh Sargsyan" -Llc minimum 49
• "Serzh Sarkisian" -Llc minimum 41

-- Takabeg (talk) 02:41, 13 September 2011 (UTC)

Birthplace

>your neutral ground just attempts to remove the fact that Karabakh was and is in Azerbaijan. Do I really need to file an SPI for users with occasional editing?

Dear Tuscumbia, that is called POV. Why can't you remove your pink Azeri glasses and put one that represents a general public view. Karabakh was in Azerbaijan, sure, but it had a special self governing status. Karabakh is in Azerbaijan? nope, it has been "independent" for 20 years. Now what's the point of misinforming the public. Would you really get Karabakh back, by saying that Karabakh was and is in Azerbaijan. The answer is No, you only degrade wikipedia, by making POV edits.

I'm not sure, what SPI means, but I'm sure occasional editing is not forbidden. I'm also hopeful that level headed people would see that my edits were neutral, while yours were not.

Regards George Spurlin — Preceding unsigned comment added by George Spurlin (talk • contribs) 21:09, 11 November 2011 (UTC)

Participation in Khojaly Massacre

I added this section with sources and references. Please note that deletion of this part and facts are vandalism according to WP. Best, 85.66.35.65 (talk) 09:41, 15 September 2012 (UTC)

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Semi-protected edit request on 18 November 2014

178.160.223.189 (talk) 15:56, 18 November 2014 (UTC) https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=691562644291245&set=a.266281000152747.59002.100003125461016&type=1&theater

Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format. Cannolis (talk) 16:28, 18 November 2014 (UTC)

Forbes source

The Forbes source clearly says that the list is of the "worst economies", not the worst performing economies. The source doesn't even include countries like Burundi, who in 2011 had a GDP per capita of $300. Neither does it include the Democratic Republic of the Congo with a GDP of per capita of $500. Madagascar may be a good pick for first place, but second place Armenia, with a GDP per capita that is four to five times more than that of Burundi's, surely doesn't belong in second place, let alone in that list. Characterizing it as such is just poor journalism by Daniel Fisher, who's perhaps more intent to grab attention with fanciful article titles like "World's Worst Economies" and etc. He's even dared to put Ukraine, a country with a GDP per capita of $10,000 at fourth place, while neglecting to place a country like Zimbabwe which had to grop with Hyperinflation for decades. Étienne Dolet (talk) 21:13, 14 February 2015 (UTC)

Having a low GDP per capita doesn't equate to bad economy. Greece has a very high HDI and $24,574 GDP per capita, but it has been in depression for several years. --Երևանցի ^talk 21:17, 14 February 2015 (UTC)

Well, it certainly is a good indicator. Despite GDP per capita, the entire worth of Burundi's economy is four times less than that of Armenia's, even with a labor force that's more than Armenia's entire population. In 2011, half of Burundi's state budget came from aid ([5]). To say that Armenia is worse off than this situation is to be either ill-informed or simply wrong. Ukraine's depressed economy in 2011, which really wasn't considered a depression then, is certainly bigger than that of Burundi, Zimbabwe, Sierra Leone, and Somalia combined. It's almost laughable that those countries didn't make the list. Étienne Dolet (talk) 23:22, 14 February 2015 (UTC)

"it certainly is a good indicator" according to whom? Having low GDP per capita simply makes a country poor, but it doesn't make its economy bad. There are hundreds of millions of poor people in China, still that country has been growing faster than any other major country. It doesn't matter if you agree with Forbes or not. It is notable and well-established on its own. But if you don't (want to) see it, then let's leave it as it is. It doesn't really change anything for me. --Երևանցի ^talk 23:47, 14 February 2015 (UTC)

Azerbaijani SSR

Serzh Sargsyan was born in NKAO which was then part of Azerbaijan SSR. The infobox was lacking this exact information. I have added it and do not see any reason why it is getting reverted. Boaqua (talk) 20:04, 21 May 2016 (UTC)

http://www.president.am/en/serzh-sargsyan/ makes no mention of azerbaijan ssr. Plus they dont consider Karabakh part of AzerbaijanSSR, it was part of Karabakh.Ninetoyadome (talk) 22:19, 21 May 2016 (UTC)

The website indeed mentions that he was born "on June 30, 1954 in the City of Stepanakert". In 1954 Stepanakert was the capital of the Nagorno-Karabakh Autonomous Oblast (NKAO). Considering that NKAO was a part Azerbaijan Soviet Socialist Republic from 1923 to 1991, it is obvious that he was born in Azerbaijani SSR. Boaqua (talk) 00:31, 22 May 2016 (UTC)

If there are no objections, I am going to add the missing piece of information. Boaqua (talk) 05:34, 23 May 2016 (UTC)

It says the same for Robert Kocharyan, born Stepanakert, Soviet Union (now Nagorno Karabakh Republic). I believe it should stay the same. Ninetoyadome (talk) 17:38, 23 May 2016 (UTC)

1. A place of birth is an important information and should not lack from the article.

2. Using "city name, Soviet Union" as a birthplace makes a little sense because Soviet Union is a broader term. Just to compare, we do not write "Berlin, European Union" as a birthplace, we use specific country names. Boaqua (talk) 00:22, 30 May 2016 (UTC)

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Lacking major events

This article sounds a lot like a propaganda. Major events are thoroughly filtered out. For instance

• 2008, March 1 massacre which brought him to power
• Electric Yerevan, during which at least 200 peaceful protesters and many journalists where assaulted and detained.
• July 29 attack on journalists, when hand grenades where thrown by law enforcements towards journalists during live broadcast covering the events of opposition revolt. Dozens of local and and international journalists suffered injuries and material damage on equipment.
• The corruption index is one of the worst in the world and courts are not independent. The 2017 "Investment Climate Investment" by US government Bureau of Economic and Business Affairs states: The Armenian regulatory system lacks transparency. Major sectors of Armenia's economy are controlled by well-connected businesspeople enjoying government-protected market dominance. Corruption remains a significant obstacle: although the government has introduced a number of reforms over the last few years, and the overall investment climate seems to be incrementally improving, corruption remains a problem in critical areas such as the judiciary, tax and customs operations, health, education, military and law enforcement. Tax and customs procedures, while having recently improved, still lack transparency. Although the use of reference prices during customs clearance has reduced, it is still not uncommon to see manipulation of the classification of goods that increases costs for economic operators. The court system lacks independence, making it an unreliable forum for resolution of disputes.
• According Transparency International latest corruption report (2016), the corruption perception index (the lower the worse) is the lowest, at 33, since it was included in monitoring in 2012.
• The poverty has grown steady during his presidency and by 2014, according to World Bank surpassed 30%.
• Resent threats of terrorism against Medialab agency, known for its caricatures of serzh sargsyan and oligarchs in his close circle. The threats included reference to Charlie Hebdo shooting.
• His close ties to enlisted corrupted oligarch presented to US senate recently.
• Imprisonment, persecution and phone tapping of leading opposition figures...

This list goes on and on ... — Preceding unsigned comment added by Hayordi (talk • contribs) 19:57, 5 February 2018 (UTC)

References

Resignation

He resigned. 217.76.1.22 (talk) 12:16, 23 April 2018 (UTC)

• Thats official. 217.76.1.22 (talk) 12:18, 23 April 2018 (UTC)

Lead: "until he was rejected"

Hi 139.192.151.122, you've reverted the first sentence in the lead of the article to end in "until he was rejected in the 23 April 2018 Armenian revolution." While one could say that Serzh Sargsyan was rejected by the Armenian people, it's not the clearest or most encyclopedic way of saying that he resigned due to mass protests. There are different ways to put it, but it certainly shouldn't be "he was rejected" which sounds rather subjective and non-encyclopedic. The clearest way to put it would be to say he resigned due to mass protests, or something similar. If you disagree, please explain your reasoning. --Revolution Saga (talk) 10:09, 8 October 2021 (UTC)

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