Talk:List of career achievements by Yuzuru Hanyu

Missing sections and further improvement

@Yolo4A4Lo: Now that the existing sections are polished, I have a question about what can/ should be done to further improve the quality of this page? Personally, I miss the following sections:

• entries in the Guinness World Records
• titles and medal statistics, especially at major events
• some details to Grand Slam/ Super Slam

However, before I start adding them, I would be very happy about a quick feedback. Henni147 (talk) 14:14, 17 May 2021 (UTC)

Entries to Guinness are adapted from ISU's world records and first elements recognized by ISU so it feels redundant. Others are  Done. Well done. Yolo4A4Lo (talk) 08:50, 18 May 2021 (UTC)

@Yolo4A4Lo: Thank you very much for checking the page and adjusting the picture captions! I decided to move the two podium pictures from the medal section back to the detailed results, because they fit better in style there and the captions don't add any important new information to the medal section. I also put the podium picture from the Helsinki GP back to the detailed results, because it's the only one since the system change and it should be at least one recent picture in there (in my opinion).

Personally, I really miss the image with the Laureus caption, too. It made the award section look less naked and the nomination was a big deal after all, but if it doesn't fit the layout guidelines, I'm fine with that, too. Henni147 (talk) 11:31, 18 May 2021 (UTC)

@Yolo4A4Lo: Quick question: A fellow editor suggested to split the columns in the detailed results table in placement and score. This would have the big advantage that you can sort the tables by results, find the seasons best scores easily and it's friendly for screen readers, too. It's not that much of a work for me and I would even suggest to use this layout as the new standard for detailed results on other skaters' pages as well. Do you agree? Henni147 (talk) 10:03, 29 May 2021 (UTC)

If WP:Figure want to standardized the layout, I don't see any problems. But I would suggest to make the entries in chronological order as suggested on FL peer review, since turned out it should have been that way (earliest to latest) per Wikipedia standard.

Right. I will put them in choronological order and open a debate about the standard of skating tables in WP Figure. Henni147 (talk) 13:06, 29 May 2021 (UTC)

Expansion of the other notable achievements section

@Yolo4A4Lo: Thank you very much for adjusting the layout of the personal bests section. I mostly write on Yuzu's German Wikipedia page, where the layout guidelines are a bit different, but I will try my best to adapt. I decided to take on the expansion and improvement of this page (my English skills are not the best, so the written text might need further proofreading). I have the following suggestions for additions that I'd like to edit:

• Expand the other notable achievements section Henni147 (talk) 06:43, 13 May 2021 (UTC)

  What other notable achievements do you want to add? Because we need very selective with this, and I see other figure skating biographies tend to include "achievements" that are not really relevant (only relevant for fans) which we can't do here. But as long as it's relevant enough that the achievement is reported on notable news outlets, you can add it. Yolo4A4Lo (talk) 07:58, 13 May 2021 (UTC)

  @Yolo4A4Lo: I miss the following aspects in the other notable achievements section:

  • First Asian male skater to win the Olympics and the youngest since Dick Button (Sochi Games)
  • Only male single skater besides Jan Hoffmann to win 7 world championship medals in the post-war era (the other four skaters with 7 medals or more are Ulrich Salchow, Karl Schäfer, Willy Böckl and Fritz Kachler)
  • First Asian male skater to win two world championship titles
  • First and only skater since Yagudin (2002) to win Olympics, Worlds and the Grand Prix Final in the same season (2014)
  • First skater to pass 100 points in the short, 200 points in the free and 300 in the combined total
  • First skater to land and 4T+1Eu+3F combination in international competition (the 4T+1Eu+3F combo was the highest scoring element in history, until it got surpassed by Samarin's 4Lz+3T combo at COR 2019)
  • And maybe this one too: First and only skater to land 50 triple Axels with positive GOE in international senior short programs (which is a truly insane milestone, considering that you are only allowed to attempt 1 3A per SP. That means, you have to compete for 10 years with 5 competitions per season and land ALL Axels clean). Hanyu completed this feat at Worlds 2021 in Stockholm.

  I would like to split the section in competition/ scoring firsts and technical element firsts and add information of when and where he achieved those feats in the same table format as the personal bests. I will add proper sources of course. Henni147 (talk) 12:07, 13 May 2021 (UTC)

  Let's revisit this later since we need to put all the references for the tables have been put up first. Yolo4A4Lo (talk) 04:19, 14 May 2021 (UTC)

  @Henni147: Since others have been done, for this, all achievements will be added to the Other notable achievements except the elements Hanyu first to land. As I said before, each of achivement will need a reference to a notable news outlet (a blog post by a commentator or a sport figure is not counted). For the elements, we can make a subsection called "First to land" under Other notable achievements and make a table similar to the Miscellaneous records table. For the table, we can use ref tag for the Reference coloumn. Each one should have two references; one for link to details (like in the Miscellaneous table), another to a news report. Yolo4A4Lo (talk) 13:42, 15 May 2021 (UTC)

  @Yolo4A4Lo:  Done I edited both tables now. Update: I found all missing sources and added them to the lists already. Henni147 (talk) 21:17, 16 May 2021 (UTC)

Personal bests and absolute bests sections

• Add section with absolute best scores (top 5 lists for current and historical scores) Henni147 (talk) 06:43, 13 May 2021 (UTC)

  This could be done with a new subsection after Personal Best. Yolo4A4Lo (talk) 07:58, 13 May 2021 (UTC)

  Question: I have top 5 lists of absolute best TES and PCS scores for short and free (current and historic) as well. Should we add those, too? I'm not sure how to add the references there, because the ISU hasn't published any documents, I think? Henni147 (talk) 09:17, 14 May 2021 (UTC)

• Add section about technical elements that received maximum score (full BV and GOE after high/low drop)

  I think that can be done. We can call it Personal Best Element Scores and put it under Personal Bests - Based on elements. Yolo4A4Lo (talk) 07:58, 13 May 2021 (UTC)

  I decided to add two different tables - one that includes the personal best scores of all elements attempted since 18/19 season and another one that lists all elements that have received one or multiple maximum scores (with distribution across seasons).

  Personally, I feel that the table with the best element scores is too packed at the moment, but I thought, it's always easier to take something away than add new information and I wanted to hear your opinion about it. Henni147 (talk) 19:17, 13 May 2021 (UTC)

  You can make "Current personal bests" and "Historical personal bests" subsections under Based on elements and split the table into two.Then add coloumns for Event and Reference after Total for both tables (For this case, see Ref coloumn on List of highest scores in figure skating#Miscellaneous records and highest element scores as example). And we need to put some reference on the Maxiumum Score but I'm still figuring out how. Yolo4A4Lo (talk) 04:19, 14 May 2021 (UTC)

  I made a suggestion for the table split and hid the historic scores until they have a new layout. Henni147 (talk) 19:35, 14 May 2021 (UTC)

  About the references in the maximum score section: I would just add another column on the right and list all detailed protocols as reference in the same style as Nathan Chen#Detailed results. With the 3A and StSq the cell will be a little packed, but that's how it is. Henni147 (talk) 09:17, 14 May 2021 (UTC)

   Done Yolo4A4Lo (talk) 13:42, 15 May 2021 (UTC)

Detailed results section

• Add TES and PCS in the detailed results section (now that we moved the table from the main article, it can be a bit larger, no?) Henni147 (talk) 06:43, 13 May 2021 (UTC)

  Even though figure skating hasn't had Manual of Style yet, ideally, all detailed results table should be uniformed across all figure skating-related articles. So no. Plus, all of his best TES and PCS are included in Personal Bests already, so I don't think it's needed. However, you can add a Reference column and put direct links to the protocols if you want. That would be more helpful for readers. Yolo4A4Lo (talk) 07:58, 13 May 2021 (UTC)

  Right. I will add the links to protocols (if available) in an additional column then. Is that a good solution? Henni147 (talk) 12:10, 13 May 2021 (UTC)

  You can put links to the event's result page for this. See Nathan Chen#Detailed results as example.

  @Yolo4A4Lo: I just added all available links to result pages. I decided to use the weblink instead of the reference format, so that I could distinguish between general and detailed results. I hope, that is fine? To Junior Nationals I couldn't find any sources. Henni147 (talk) 08:46, 14 May 2021 (UTC)

   Done Yolo4A4Lo (talk) 13:42, 15 May 2021 (UTC)

100% success rate on solo quad debuts

I decided to add this info to the list of element records, as it's something truly remarkable to land four different types of solo quads in the course of your career and all of them at first attempt with a positive grade of execution. This achievement has not been explicitely mentioned by news agencies or other secondary sources yet (as far as I know), but Hanyu himself has noted it in his book "Yumewo ikiru" (Living a dream) and stressed the importance of the 100% success rate for himself. Here is a copy of the original page in the book.

The second source from Kyodo News additionally confirms the successful landing of the other three quad types and also that the popped single Lutz at Autumn Classic 2017 was not a quad attempt but a planned triple Lutz. So the 4Lz at the 2017 Rostelecom Cup was indeed his first attempt in competition.

As soon as a reliable secondary source mentions the 100% success rate on his solo quad debuts, I will add it to the reference column as well. Henni147 (talk) 13:27, 3 November 2021 (UTC)