Talk:Library of Congress Subject Headings

Latest comment: 2 months ago by Monkeysoap in topic Indigenous studies

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BetacommandBot (talk) 14:42, 2 January 2008 (UTC)Reply

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This page has a link to the page for RAMEAU on the French Wikipedia. I don't think that's appropriate. The systems are related, but they shouldn't be treated as the same thing. If there were a page about RAMEAU on the English WP, that would be linked to the French page, and vice versa. --JBH23 (talk) 05:49, 16 August 2012 (UTC)Reply

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  • I propose that the first paragraph under the subheading "Indigenous studies" be removed in its entirety from this article.
  • The contributor of the paragraph evidently means to address Library of Congress Classification, but does not understand the distinction between LCC and LCSH, or between classification and subject headings in general. The intellectual content of the paragraph could be moved to the article Library of Congress Classification, but the text would need to be rewritten to remedy the confusion. Every sentence of the paragraph either conflates LCSH and classification in the same breath; or addresses only classification; or names LCSH but cites only a source that addresses only LCC and not LCSH.
  • https://loc.gov/aba/publications/FreeLCSH/LCSH44-Main-intro.pdf
  • https://loc.gov/catdir/cpso/lcc.html

Monkeysoap (talk) 19:03, 22 May 2024 (UTC)Reply

Hi @Monkeysoap, this is a little more complex than the changes I normally help with, but I'll do my best to help. Give me a day or two to dive in a bit. --FeldBum (talk) 14:22, 5 June 2024 (UTC)Reply
Couple quick questions:
1. Does https://journals.lib.washington.edu/index.php/nasko/article/view/15857 (cite #1) not discuss LCSH?
2. Am I right that https://open.library.ubc.ca/soa/cIRcle/collections/ubclibraryandarchives/494/items/1.0103204 isn't about the US Library of Congress at all?
3. This one is clearly LCC, so that makes sense to remove as well: https://www.jstor.org/stable/27949465
4. Am I wrong that this (https://www.loc.gov/aba/cataloging/subject/indigenous.html) states that LSCH is planning on (or considering) changing the current "Indian" subject heading?
Forgive all my ignorance here. Just trying to help make these changes.
-- FeldBum (talk) 14:35, 5 June 2024 (UTC)Reply
Hi FeldBum, thanks for replying sooner than I had hoped! Taking your questions in order:
1. Yes, it does! But it's not clear what the statement that source is cited to support is about, since the sentence speaks incoherently of "classification under LCSH". LCSH is not classification (in the library sense). If the statement is meant to be about Library of Congress Classification it should be in that article, not this one. If it's meant to be about subject headings, it shouldn't confuse them with classification.
2. No, you're not entirely right about that. The full text of the cited source is centrally about a different subject heading vocabulary and classification scheme, developed at the University of British Columbia, but it discusses their relationship and comparison with LCSH and LCC respectively. HOWEVER, the substantive parts of the statements the source is cited to support discuss only LCC (in particular, class E) -- though they erroneously name "LCSH" instead. These statements belong in the article Library of Congress Classification and/or Library classification, not in this article.
3. I agree with you.
4. No, I don't see that statement anywhere on the page you're linking to, which is much more generally about the process/project of updating subject headings for indigenous peoples. If I'm mistaken, can you point me more specifically to the relevant text? I know that the change you're describing (and the many changes to related headings it would entail) have long been discussed in the library community, and I believe it's on the table at the Library of Congress, but I'm unable at the moment to provide you with a reliable source for that.
Hope this helps, and thanks for YOUR help.
Monkeysoap (talk) 18:03, 5 June 2024 (UTC)Reply
Please provide details of your conflict of interest, as required under WP:COI and WP:DISCLOSE. Thank you. Axad12 (talk) 21:22, 8 October 2024 (UTC)Reply
Hi, @Axad12. I'm a retired employee of the Library of Congress, where I worked for 20 years. I spent a significant part of my time there applying LCSH, training colleagues in its application and making proposals for additions and changes to LCSH. For several months I was detailed as a subject policy specialist to the office that was responsible for maintaining LCSH. I no longer have any paid relationship with the Library of Congress. However, I still have some vestigially strong feelings about how LCSH is portrayed and I'm not sure I can edit this article impartially (or would be perceived as impartial). Does this help? Monkeysoap (talk) 21:53, 8 October 2024 (UTC)Reply
Many thanks for your response above, which is very helpful.
The request here was made about 5 months ago and I'm concerned that the level of detail is such that it is unlikely that a suitably qualified volunteer will emerge to deal with the request. I would like to suggest that you proceed to make whatever change you consider reasonable and impartial, taken into account the input above from user:FeldBum.
When we talk about conflict of interest on Wikipedia we are usually talking about paid editing, promotional edits, attempts to install a point of view, etc, etc. and I do not see that there is any significant risk of that occurring here.
If concerns over impartiality should arise at a later date then they can be dealt with at that time. Axad12 (talk) 22:17, 8 October 2024 (UTC)Reply
I'm aligned with @Axad12 and sorry I missed your reply a while back. It was a bit of a whirlwind summer and some stuff fell through the cracks. Make the edits you think are appropriate and try to find third-party sources for them and tag me and Axad12 where you need help. --FeldBum (talk) 00:40, 9 October 2024 (UTC)Reply
Thank you, @Axad12 and @FeldBum. I'll get to this when I can. Monkeysoap (talk) 20:05, 11 October 2024 (UTC)Reply