Talk:Kenneth Law
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Did you know nomination
edit- The following is an archived discussion of the DYK nomination of the article below. Please do not modify this page. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as this nomination's talk page, the article's talk page or Wikipedia talk:Did you know), unless there is consensus to re-open the discussion at this page. No further edits should be made to this page.
The result was: rejected by reviewer, closed by Launchballer talk 10:56, 5 June 2024 (UTC)
- ... that Kenneth Law was arrested after his sodium nitrite business was uncovered by the The Times?
- Source: Murphy, Aisling (2023-08-25). "Mississauga man behind Canadian self-harm websites linked to 88 deaths in the U.K." CTV News Toronto. Retrieved 2024-05-29.
- Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/Vanessa Weenink (Kahurangi Carter)
- Comment: I don't think there's any way to prevent a protracted debate about BLP, but I'd say that ship has long-since sailed when it comes to negative DYK hooks. Furthermore, Law has already publicly stated he sold the substance, the only question is whether he sold it illegally.
Bremps... 17:14, 29 May 2024 (UTC).
- Also noting that Peel Police had investigated suspicious deaths before the The Times article, but there is no indication that they knew about Law or had been planning on arresting him speedily. The CTV article states that the exposé lead to Law's arrest, which should be enough as a citation. Bremps... 21:14, 29 May 2024 (UTC)
- (not a review) to me, this doesn't meet WP:DYKINT; newspapers and journalists routinely uncover evidence of crimes. ~~ AirshipJungleman29 (talk) 18:26, 3 June 2024 (UTC)
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--evrik (talk) 00:02, 4 June 2024 (UTC)
Fails WP:DYKHOOKBLP. Currently being discussed at WT:DYK#Template:Did you know nominations/Kenneth Law RoySmith (talk) 00:17, 4 June 2024 (UTC)
New reviewer needed? --evrik (talk) 00:32, 4 June 2024 (UTC)
- A new review probably needs to check all the criteria again instead of being a rubber stamp. In addition, given the nomination has now been raised at BLPN, this probably can't be approved until issues are sorted out. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 03:05, 4 June 2024 (UTC)
- The BLPN issue is really the only issue. --evrik (talk) 15:05, 4 June 2024 (UTC)
- It's a very serious one given the nature of the subject and the hook itself. In the past we'd reject hooks that solely focus on a crime especially if it was a BLP, and given how controversial the fallout of the Tate hook was it might be better to err on the side of caution here, at least when it comes to the hooks. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 22:45, 4 June 2024 (UTC)
- The Tate hook was only controversial inside our little bubble.--evrik (talk) 22:49, 4 June 2024 (UTC)
- There was a whole ANI thread about it and the discussion about it on DYK after it ran included participants from outside the DYK sphere. If anything, it was less controversial inside our bubble than outside of it. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 23:23, 4 June 2024 (UTC)
- The Tate hook was only controversial inside our little bubble.--evrik (talk) 22:49, 4 June 2024 (UTC)
- It's a very serious one given the nature of the subject and the hook itself. In the past we'd reject hooks that solely focus on a crime especially if it was a BLP, and given how controversial the fallout of the Tate hook was it might be better to err on the side of caution here, at least when it comes to the hooks. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 22:45, 4 June 2024 (UTC)
- A new review probably needs to check all the criteria again instead of being a rubber stamp. In addition, given the nomination has now been raised at BLPN, this probably can't be approved until issues are sorted out. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 03:05, 4 June 2024 (UTC)
I'm going to agree with Roy. I would not move this to queue. Neg BLP hook + nothing really not-negative to say without feeling like we're whitewashing = a no for me. Valereee (talk) 09:42, 5 June 2024 (UTC)
“Alleged”
editShouldn’t the lead use “allegedly”? Zanahary (talk) 06:05, 4 June 2024 (UTC)
April 2022 suicide(s)
editThe first paragraph of Kenneth Law#The Times investigation and arrest currently reads:
After a British woman committed suicide with sodium nitrite in April 2022, the coroner investigating her death noted the involvement of a Mississauga post office and Imtime Cuisine, an allegedly Law-operated business. The coroner had called for the British government to look into the matter and take action.
The two sentences are cited to two different sources, and it is by no means obvious that they both refer to the same case: the first source mentions the suicide of a woman in Surrey; the second a 23-year-old British student. Other than the fact that both occurred in April 2022, what reason is there to think that they are the same case? Given that Law is according to our article suspected of involvement in 88 suicides in Britain between starting to sell sodium nitrite in late 2020 and being charged in August 2023 (averaging more than two per month) we shouldn't assume that because two articles describe deaths from the same month they are referring to the same death. Caeciliusinhorto-public (talk) 09:39, 5 June 2024 (UTC)
Feedback from New Page Review process
editI left the following feedback for the creator/future reviewers while reviewing this article: Notability through sustained media coverage related to assisted suicide. There will no doubt be further coverage as cases develop or are resolved.