Talk:Keikogi

Merge judo, jujutsu, aikido, and karate keikogi, into this article

IMHO we do not need separate articles on how the keikogi looks and is used in aikido, judo, jujutsu and karate. In most cases the bases is the same, and the differences are better expanded on in the same article rather than having four separate. The ninjutsu issue is something different though, it has a very specific history and is probably better explained in a separate article. // Habj 12:30, 18 April 2006 (UTC)

Agreed. Anybody not agree? — Estarriol ^talk 18:08, 12 June 2006 (UTC)

I disagree wholeheartedly! The differences are substantial and in many cases it would take the complete novice nothing more than a glance at long distance to see differences. Only Judo, jiu jitsu, and karate look at all alike and only the 1st two are really close. Doing this makes as much sense as lumping every type of footwear from flip flops to riding boots under the heading 'shoes'. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.188.14.1 (talk • contribs) 09:10, 22 June 2006

I would also have to disagree, if the topic was gi then you could merge it all, but u are describing different types so they should all be kept seperate —Preceding unsigned comment added by 65.10.87.138 (talk • contribs) 19:01, 26 July 2006

I disagree also. The Judogi and the Jujutsugi (Japanese and Brazillian) are unique from the keikogi. The page on Keikogi refers to it as a generic term, which it is, but out in the real world of Martial Arts (maybe partially localized by MA communities or geographical locations) the term Keikogi is typically used for Kendo. Just Google Keikogi and check out the first few pages. They are in the context of Kendo. Although not in every case, the Keikogi is considerably longer than a Judogi and it is worn inside the Hakama and not on the outside. In addition, the Keikogi usually has 3/4 lenth sleeves, (which can be very helpful in practicing Te Waza in Ju-Jitsu) is illegal for Judo and Ju-Jitsu competition. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.251.114.149 (talk • contribs) 18:45, 31 July 2006

Of course they are different! That is not my point, but rather that the different variants are better described together than in separate articles. If each article on each type of shoe was as short as these articles I would gladly discuss them in the same article. Of course they could be de-merged later, when there is a need for it. Sine I wrote the above, the articles have grown. Probably this article should then be developed into a true comparison between the different variants of dogis. // habj 23:02, 28 February 2007 (UTC)

So if we don't merge. What do we do with dogis for shorinjikempo, kyudo, jukendo? I really don't know if they follow the pattern "artgi". Shorinjikempogi sounds kind of clumsy. // habj 23:10, 28 February 2007 (UTC)

If anything there should just be an article on 'gi' the general term for shirt-things.. including kendogi, kimono, and everything else with gi/ki in them... that are all shirt thingamajobs.

119.104.30.4 (talk) 04:15, 15 May 2016 (UTC) I live in Japan and while out on cycling injury at the moment, have some kendo experience including two local shiai, and have watched some jukendo practice (the same sensei teach tankendo or whatever detached bayonet is called, but I haven't see it.) and the shirts and hakama were the same as What we wear for kendo. I don't know any wikiformatting, so sorry about not doing this right or breaking something and not having a direct link to a rigorous citation, but kendoWorld has youtube videos of various high level budo competitions that are under the ZNKR's management and based on the aforementioned videos which I leave for y'all experienced wikiers to take the credit and do the work I'm not qualified to do, but I'm very confident you'll find that for the main budo which use variants of standard kendogu including jukendo, tankendo, naginatado and jodo use the same keikogi and wear them the same way. The tsune bogu in nagi might create a trend of narrower pants, but that would be a local thing if it actually happens, and in mixed competition everybody else puts them on over their normal hakama even though it breaks the part where the flares hide your feet a little. The other ZNKR's kyudo regular practise clothes are also called keikogi as far as I know, at least in Akita prefecture, but they use an obi and wear tabi, unlike the general rule for more the less zen budo and the shirt and hakama ties are slightly different but still hakama over . Archers can afford to be a little more formal about the clothes. Sorry again if I broke anything and for tripping all over the social mores, but I thought it worth trying to point someone more capable in the right direction to add the information I supplied properly. I think both sides of the merge question have good points, and but save for someone translating the presumably more thorough Japanese pages on some of these topics, If anyone still cares, I'd lean towards adding information to this page and the bogu page about at least the minor variants that are lesser known in the anglosphere. And again for anyone who skimmed, all the melee arts I talked about wear kendogu with minor additions or dropping jukendo dropping a kote and they can all cross-compete (which doesn't happen nearly often enough to my taste) by adopting the extra armor of the opponent's targets. All-Japan bodogu has a robust english website that certainly at least implies that they're not only selling to kendoka, if that meets the standards.

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Please bear in mind that "keikogi" just means "gym suit". Do a google image search for "稽古着" and you will find that most of the time martial art clothing is shown, but sometimes modern sweat wear too.

What I cannot find though, is the name of the seperate jacket and pants. They should have a name too, isn't it?

The jacket and pants do have their own terms, though I think they translate basically to "jacket" and "pants." :-). I'm about to expand the entry to talk about how the keikogi developed, and I'll provide that info as well AikiHawkeye (talk) 02:31, 23 December 2010 (UTC)

-- Kennin May 22nd 2008, 18:26 (CET) —Preceding unsigned comment added by 84.197.26.128 (talk) 16:30, 22 May 2008 (UTC)

wearing the aikidogi

Can someone experienced in aikido explain how you tie your belt and if there is some specific way to tie the "cord" embedded in the pants? If you have a link to such a page, please provide it. Thanks, by an aikido novice

I can't really explain this in a proper way, but I just came to think that this could actually be a good contribution to the article, if anyone has a proper illustration

I asked the same question at the aikidogi discussion and someone provided this url [1] .

Is the translation really that pompous?

The word "dogi" is translated as "the uniform you wear on the path that you have been chosen". Really? If "do" means "path" and "gi" means "uniform", wouldn't that make "dogi"="the uniform for the path" or something similar? Devil Master 19:37, 07 January 2007 (MET)

Kendogi

IIRC the kendogi is just the jacket, referred to as "uwagi" not kimono - the hakama is not then considered a part of the keikogi. It is simply a hakama. Compare aikido, the hak is not a part of the dogi there either. // habj 23:08, 28 February 2007 (UTC)

Development of the keikogi

I added information on the history of the development of the modern keikogi. I used one source for what I added, but it is a reliable source. I will look for some more sources that also back up what I have written and to give this entry more depth. Does anyone have anything to add? Or have any questions about the uniform that they think would be a valuable addition to the entry? AikiHawkeye (talk) 03:28, 23 December 2010 (UTC)

I have also heard it suggested that Kano was influenced by seeing the Cornish wrestling jackets when he visited England. (79.190.69.141 (talk) 13:30, 27 September 2012 (UTC))