Talk:How to Succeed in Business Without Really Trying (book)

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Requested move 13 January 2022

The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review after discussing it on the closer's talk page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

The result of the move request was: First move enacted, second move not enacted. The decision for now is that there is no primary topic.  — Amakuru (talk) 21:07, 21 January 2022 (UTC)

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• How to Succeed in Business Without Really Trying → How to Succeed in Business Without Really Trying (book)
• How to Succeed in Business Without Really Trying (musical) → How to Succeed in Business Without Really Trying

– I just changed over 175 links from How to Succeed in Business Without Really Trying to How to Succeed in Business Without Really Trying (musical), leaving very few articles linking to the book. The musical seems to be the primary topic. GoingBatty (talk) 17:44, 13 January 2022 (UTC)

• Support per page views. The musical seems to be the primary topic. Mannysoloway (talk) 19:41, 13 January 2022 (UTC)
• Support per nomination and Mannysoloway. The musical is indeed primary over the book. The currently existing arrangement has been common for other works — for 15 years, from 2001 to 2016, Gone with the Wind (novel) was the primary topic of the Gone with the Wind (disambiguation) page. —Roman Spinner (talk • contribs) 20:40, 13 January 2022 (UTC)
• Support 1st, oppose 2nd, and move the disambiguation page to primary - this is the long-term best way to avoid incorrect wikilinks, and its hard to think of a derivative work as primary over its inspiration. See recent similar results at The Princess Bride (novel) and Talk:Valley of the Dolls (novel) - likewise its how Gone With The Wind mentioned above by User:Roman Spinner is handled. -- Netoholic @ 05:44, 14 January 2022 (UTC)

If consensus skews towards the "no primary" option, I would likewise support the first move, amend the second move to How to Succeed in Business Without Really Trying (disambiguation) → How to Succeed in Business Without Really Trying and leave How to Succeed in Business Without Really Trying (musical) unchanged, per Netoholic. I should also clarify my above statement regarding Gone with the Wind — from 2001 to 2005, the Gone with the Wind article detailed both the book and the film but, following creation of the separate film article in 2005 and then the disambiguation page in 2006, the book remained as the grandfathered primary topic until 2016. —Roman Spinner (talk • contribs) 09:01, 14 January 2022 (UTC)

• Support 1st, oppose 2nd, and move the disambiguation page to primary. There is WP:NOPRIMARY here, in my opinion, so the DAB page should be the primary. Rreagan007 (talk) 19:06, 14 January 2022 (UTC)

@Rreagan007: Looking at the pageviews, it seems that the musical is the primary. I'm presuming that many people went to How to Succeed in Business Without Really Trying and then went to the musical article, so the difference should be even larger. GoingBatty (talk) 20:14, 14 January 2022 (UTC)

• Support 1st, weak oppose 2nd, and move the dab page to the basename, per reasons listed by User:Netoholic above. Paintspot Infez (talk) 20:31, 14 January 2022 (UTC)
• Support original nomination. The musical is clearly the primary topic, so no need to stick the disambig page at the base article name. Pageview stats show more hits for the musical than the other two pages combined - and that's with the book at the base title, meaning that there are some spurious hits for the book that immediately click over to the musical, so the actual difference in views is even higher. SnowFire (talk) 20:41, 14 January 2022 (UTC)

The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.