Talk:History of Key West

Submission declined

This article was initially declined for unreliable sources. However, the sources I have used were published books with cited authors on the History of Key West that that contained thorough information on the subject. Other sources included the United States Congress, NOAA, Florida Department of Environmental Protection, Department of the Navy, etc. Further information as to how the citations of this page are unreliable and warrant the rejection of this article into article namespace would be very helpful. Bronson Fotiadis1 (talk) 14:32, 24 October 2024 (UTC)

Proposed deletion

The #History section in the Key West main article does not go into nearly the same degree of detail as this article. The amount of information in #History includes summaries including:

"John F. Kennedy was to use "90 miles from Cuba" extensively in his speeches against Fidel Castro. Kennedy himself visited Key West a month after the resolution of the Cuban Missile Crisis".

However, this article goes into much more detail then that in a numerous of topics. This includes discussing the specific fortification plans and strategic significance that were proposed in events such as the Key West Agreement. This is information that is not mentioned in Key West History at all.

Further examples include the fact that Key West's significance as the headquarters of the Union Navy's East Gulf Blockade Squadron during the American Civil War and Commodore David Porter's Misquito Fleet headquartered in Key West. Not only are these topics not touched upon in Key West's main page, but do not go into nearly the same degree of detail. "History of Key West" provides dates, notable figures, and detailed events that compliment Key West brief historical summery on its main page. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Bronson Fotiadis1 (talk • contribs) 11:23, 26 October 2024 (UTC)

Refocus the article.

@Bronson Fotiadis1 Your objection was note, you haven't addressed the repeating of information already covered in Key west#History or the fact that much of this information should simply be added to the section in Key west article. Why not refocus the article to Key west prior to Florida's transfer from Spain to Great Britain in 1763 since there is no coverage of that time period?

You can even request a move (rename of the page) to help allow this article to fit perfectly into the place of that anchor you placed in the key west article.

RCSCott91 (talk) 23:43, 26 October 2024 (UTC)

The same could also be said in History of Miami, which includes numerous information repeated inn Miami#History, or even History of Tampa, Florida. The point of a "history main page" is to take and compliment the information summarized in the main articles #History and expand upon it in a single focused article. Most of the historical information in "History of Key West" expands on the brief summaries provided in Key West#History. Additionally, "History of Key West" expands on numerous other topics than just " prior to Florida's transfer from Spain to Great Britain in 1763" such as Key West's artistic significance throughout the 19th century, the specific fortification projects established in Fort Zachary Taylor before and during the American Civil War, and the timeline that occurred throughout the 19th century that contributed to Key West becoming the United State's wealthiest city. Bronson Fotiadis1 (talk) 00:16, 27 October 2024 (UTC)

@Bronson Fotiadis1 You mean one of the richest per capita. If you look at the talk:History of Miami, you'll see a lot of pretty harsh talk topics from 2006, although they do coincidence with a very poor quality article looking at the historical edits.

That history of Miami example is definitely a very good example. This article already looks better than the 2006 version. Do you plan to expand into prior to British possession and further back into Native American History of Key West?

Have you already looked at some of the pictures to possibly added? Any you find in commons are already cleared under the CCL so you won't have to worry about a copyright strike.

Key West pictures

RCSCott91 (talk) 00:40, 27 October 2024 (UTC)

Expanding on prior British possession and Native occupation of Key West is a great idea and is certainly something I will be working on. The difficulty arises when searching for reliable citations and references, however, I will encourage any participants who may have any insight on providing third-party and reliable sources for the content of these topics. Perhaps a future "Key West Portal" page would supplement the Category: History of Key West, for editors to implement this content. Bronson Fotiadis1 (talk) 01:03, 27 October 2024 (UTC)

@Bronson Fotiadis1If I find anything I will add. If down the road, you feel like this article gets to the point don't forget about nomination WP:GOOD. RCSCott91 (talk) 18:03, 27 October 2024 (UTC)

This article article actually has been nominated for WP: Good Article. As I am rather new at this, I am carious: is their any action on my part in order to get this article nominated or am I to simply wait for a reviewer to look at the submission? Bronson Fotiadis1 (talk) 20:47, 27 October 2024 (UTC)

@Bronson Fotiadis1You just got to get it to the citation and format level described and then they have a certain time where it doesn't have massive change or vandalism. If it meets those requirements, someone will place the template and try and invite others to review and come to consensus.

Yes, a lot of editors take it as a badge of pride when they start an article and are able to bring it to that level officially, going as far as placing a remark in their user page for the acomplishment

Get the article to a place that you feel is at what is described and ping me, I will as unbiased as I can go by the requirements and if it is good, I will place it for you. RCSCott91 (talk) 21:53, 27 October 2024 (UTC)

Interesting! I will let you know Bronson Fotiadis1 (talk) 22:06, 27 October 2024 (UTC)

Expanded

A brief section on the island's geological history and section organized with both indigenous presence and European discovery were added using the propery and verifiable references. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Bronson Fotiadis1 (talk • contribs) 16:35, 27 October 2024 (UTC)

Did you know nomination

The following is an archived discussion of the DYK nomination of the article below. Please do not modify this page. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as this nomination's talk page, the article's talk page or Wikipedia talk:Did you know), unless there is consensus to re-open the discussion at this page. No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was: rejected by reviewer, closed by Z1720 talk 15:04, 24 November 2024 (UTC)

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A Key West street car on Greene Street in 1904

• ... that Key West was one of the wealthiest cities in the United States per capita in the in the mid-19th century?

• Source: https://worldpopulationreview.com/us-cities/florida/key-west

• Reviewed:
• Comment: Key West's wrecking, cigar, and salt manufacturing industries allowed it to become one of the wealthiest cities in the United States per capita.

Created by Bronson Fotiadis1 (talk). Number of QPQs required: 0. Nominator has fewer than 5 past nominations.

Bronson Fotiadis1 (talk) 00:03, 28 October 2024 (UTC).

General: Article is new enough and long enough
New enough: Long enough:

Policy compliance:

• Adequate sourcing: - Some of the sources used are not reliable (such as Conch Tour Train, WorldPopulationReview, nationalregisterofhistoricplaces.com [a non-official site], etc.).
• Neutral:
• Free of copyright violations, plagiarism, and close paraphrasing: - Some close paraphrasing picked up by Earwig is a cause for concern, such as the Federal Wrecking Act paragraph.

Hook eligibility:

• Cited: - WorldPopulationReview is not a reliable source.
• Interesting:
• Other problems: - The link is far, far too long.

Image eligibility:

• Freely licensed:
• Used in article: - Not used in article.
• Clear at 100px: - Not particularly relevant to the proposed hook.

QPQ: None required.

Overall: The article needs some polishing and some new hooks would be appreciated. SounderBruce 01:20, 1 November 2024 (UTC)

I'm slightly surprised that the Conch Republic doesn't get even a brief mention in the article since that would work great as a hook. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 09:47, 6 November 2024 (UTC)

• @Bronson Fotiadis1: Please respond to the above. Z1720 (talk) 16:01, 17 November 2024 (UTC)

Note: nom hasn't edited in over a week, and hasn't edited this article since the review. If the nom doesn't return to editing in four days time, it may be time to mark it for closure. JuniperChill (talk) 15:56, 20 November 2024 (UTC)

• Nominator is inactive and did not respond to the review. Regrettably the nomination is marked for closure. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 06:14, 23 November 2024 (UTC)

GA Review

This review is transcluded from Talk:History of Key West/GA1. The edit link for this section can be used to add comments to the review.

Nominator: Bronson Fotiadis1 (talk · contribs) 03:51, 26 October 2024 (UTC)

Reviewer: Borsoka (talk · contribs) 11:40, 4 December 2024 (UTC)

GA review – see WP:WIAGA for criteria

1. Is it well written?

   A. The prose is clear and concise, and the spelling and grammar are correct:

   B. It complies with the manual of style guidelines for lead sections, layout, words to watch, fiction, and list incorporation:

2. Is it verifiable with no original research, as shown by a source spot-check?

   A. It contains a list of all references (sources of information), presented in accordance with the layout style guideline:

   B. Reliable sources are cited inline. All content that could reasonably be challenged, except for plot summaries and that which summarizes cited content elsewhere in the article, must be cited no later than the end of the paragraph (or line if the content is not in prose):

   C. It contains no original research:

   D. It contains no copyright violations nor plagiarism:

3. Is it broad in its coverage?

   A. It addresses the main aspects of the topic:

   B. It stays focused on the topic without going into unnecessary detail (see summary style):

4. Is it neutral?

   It represents viewpoints fairly and without editorial bias, giving due weight to each:

5. Is it stable?

   It does not change significantly from day to day because of an ongoing edit war or content dispute:

6. Is it illustrated, if possible, by images?

   A. Images are tagged with their copyright status, and valid non-free use rationales are provided for non-free content:

   B. Images are relevant to the topic, and have suitable captions:

7. Overall:

   Pass or Fail:

Comments

Congratulations for your first nomination. You will soon realise that I am not a native English speaker. Please ping me if any of my comments is unclear. Consider my comments as recommendations and feel free not to accept them but inform me about your concerns. Confirming that the article meets all GA criteria is my only concern during the review. Borsoka (talk) 12:43, 4 December 2024 (UTC)

Hello, thank for you for your review! Let me know as well if there is anything I can do to help. Bronson Fotiadis1 (talk) 13:17, 4 December 2024 (UTC)

• Introduce Key West as an island near Florida and link it in the main text.
• Link Florida Keys in the main text.
• ...native occupation... Native or human?
• ...Calusas, Matecumbes, Tequestas, and late Seminoles... Introduce them as Native American tribes and link them.
• Delink "debates".
• ...the possible occupation by the Calusa may have existed as a confederation... I do not understand.
• ...island's period... Delete "island's".
• ...Key West's native groups adopted... Why not future in the past?
• Introduce and link Ponce de Leon.
• ...Ponce de Leon and his Spanish fleet adopted the island's original name of Cayo Hueso (Spanish pronunciation: [ˈkaʝo ˈweso]). Dried bones were discovered along the islands... For those who do not speak Spanish the connection between the name and the bones is unclear. Rephrase the two sentences.
• ...were discovered along the island's beaches, believed... By whom?
• ... during Spanish colonization... Is this necessary?
• With the onset of British control of Florida, Key West become mostly uninhabited, with neither the arriving British nor Spanish exercising de facto control. Is there a connection between depopulation and the change of de iure control?
• ...in the case of a war... With whom?
• ...smugglers and privateers often used the island... Delete "often".
• ...Raids by foreign natives... Foreign natives?
• ...on the island... Which? Borsoka (talk) 13:45, 4 December 2024 (UTC)
• ...settlers in Havana continued to issue fishing licenses... Settlers?
• ...awarded for... Is "awarded" necessary?
• After years of government lobbying for the establishment of military installations in Key West,... Is this necessary? If yes, could you add some context?
• Introduce Simon Bernard.
• Could you change the quote box? The present version makes a large lacuna in the text.
• ...over the island's surrounding slave trade... Surrounding?
• ... as United States property... Property? Was the island bought from Perry or nationalised?
• Why is note 5 necessary?
• The 1840s saw three damaging hurricanes hit Key West. Simplify.
• ...to date... Delete.
• ...Florida's succession... Succession?
• A link to Civil War?
• ...sent a message to Washington... I would say to the "central government" in Washington.
• ...was considered the 8th wonder of the world... By whom?
• ...Regarded as the most intense hurricanes to make landfall in the United States,... Why the plural? If it was the most intense hurricane, the text should state this.
• Post-humorous?
• ...an almost doubling population soon came with arrival soldiers, sailors, laborers, and tourists. Rephrase.
• Did Hemmingway return in 1903?
• The fourth paragraph of section "20th century" is a little bit incoherent, mixing info about Hemmingway and WWII. Could you restructure it? Perhaps info about Hemmingway could be moved to the previous section.
• A large majority of.... Delete.
• ...Submarine Squadron 4 was transferred its operations from Pearl Harbor to Key West... I do not understand.
• ..., respectively Is this necessary?
• ... while staying at the Harry S. Truman Little White House Delete.
• I would delete note 6.
• As a reputable source of tourism revenues, the roadblock and inspection station were removed soon afterwards. Fix the problem indicated by the tag and add a source to verify the statement.
• The first paragraph of section "21th century" contains information from the previous century.
• The last two sentences of the first paragraph of section "21th century" are not verified.
• The island's first surge occurred at 2:30 am and reached heights of 5–6 ft (1.5–1.8 m) above mean sea level (MSL). Delete or move to a footnote.
• The last two sentences of the last paragraph of section "21th century" are not verified.
• ...using small enclosures used as traps... Rephrase to avoid repetition.
• ...situated near Key West's harbors where they could be quickly processed in nearby canning buildings Delete.
• ...Soup canning, made often from the green pigment of the turtle shells,... I do not understand. What was made of the pigment?
• ...were often employed... By whom?
• ...on 6 September... Year?
• ...occurred for a duration of eight years... Rephrase.
• As a result of the newly formed industry,... Some context? No industry was mentioned in the previous sentences.
• ...the discovery of large sponge beds in the shallow waters of Key West's reefs... When?
• ...the production of roughly 2,000 tons of sponge products a year When?
• Section "Industry" contains information already mentioned in previous sections. Avoid the repetition of the same information in the main text. Borsoka (talk) 03:01, 7 December 2024 (UTC)

Image review

• File:Fort Zachary Taylor by Seth Eastman (1808 - 1875).png: a US PD tag is needed.
• File:1591 De Bry and Le Moyne Map of Florida and Cuba - Geographicus - Florida-debry-1591 part.jpg: a US PD tag is needed.
• File:Ernest and Pauline Hemingway, Key West, c1930s.jpg: could a link to the source be added? Borsoka (talk) 03:27, 7 December 2024 (UTC)

• @Bronson Fotiadis1: when do you think you can address the pending issues?