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Imperial HRH2’s edits

Imperial HRH2 is adding sources that contradict the text he is proposing. To do it once can be as a mistake, to do it again is deliberate. In proposing, “widely regarded as the greatest” both for this Ronaldo article, and Messi’s, he then adds the source, “Pelé has been voted the greatest footballer of all time, Brazilian star beats out Diego Maradona, Lionel Messi and Cristiano Ronaldo to top spot”. A source that says Pelé is the greatest, on what planet does that support the statement Ronaldo (or Messi) is “widely regarded as the greatest”? What’s the point of sources if they don’t support the text? When I click on a Wikipedia article, and see a sentence, I will then click on the source for more detail on that sentence. If the source doesn’t support it then what’s written in the article is rubbish. In Michael Jordan’s article, if it says “he’s the greatest” and the source which follows then names four basketballers that were better than him, it would not be a featured article as the sentence would be contradicted by the source. Imperial HRH2 is shoehorning in a statement with no source supporting it. This isn’t about any 9-2 nonsense he came up with, it’s about sourcing the statement, that’s it. He has shown he has no interest in sourcing the statement as he has added sources that do not support it. F8RIL (talk) 11:21, 14 July 2018 (UTC)

Calm down mate. First of all stop making new sections for an issue that is already being discussed. And to address your issues, if you look at the sources, that source is one of a number of sources. These sources are called secondary sources. They do not directly support the hypothesis but support the context of the argument. In Ronaldo's article, it is the FOURTH source I have added, while the other 3 directly support the claim. The reason why that source was added was to prevent people like you from saying "but Ronaldo is never compared to the likes of Maradona, Pele while Messi is". This source is to establish that they are all in the same league and should be spoken of in the same breath. Thats all. Also F8RIL please stop reverting my edit. From your edit history and behaviour, I can see you're a new user here and only joined a month ago, but the default of this article has been (since 2014 to summer 2018) my edit. What you're trying to do is change it to your PoV, even though current consensus doesn't support it. I see you're very active in the Messi page, trying to push PoV there too, so I'm not surprised that you're acting on your bias here. Imperial HRH2 (talk) 16:24, 14 July 2018 (UTC)

So a source that states “Pelé is the greatest”, can be used as a source to support a sentence in a Wikipedia article that states, “Ronaldo is widely regarded as the greatest”? That’s what you are saying, yes? Are you being serious? Would using a source that contradicts a sentence, like you have done, meet the criteria of a featured article? I’m tired reverting your nonsense. Hopefully someone else who cares can do so. F8RIL (talk) 16:36, 14 July 2018 (UTC)

Again, These sources are called secondary sources. They do not directly support the hypothesis but support the context of the argument. In Ronaldo's article, it is the FOURTH source I have added, while the other 3 directly support the claim. The reason why that source was added was to prevent people like you from saying "but Ronaldo is never compared to the likes of Maradona, Pele while Messi is". This source is to establish that they are all in the same league and should be spoken of in the same breath. This has been done throughout Wikipedia football pages. If you go to WikiProject Football, you'll see that it is acceptable to use a supporting source, as long as there are primary sources that directly back up the claim. Imperial HRH2 (talk) 16:39, 14 July 2018 (UTC)

So on the Michael Jordan article, a featured article, it would be okay to have “he’s widely regarded the greatest basketballer” of all time, then use a source that ranks him fourth or fifth? Is this a joke? F8RIL (talk) 16:43, 14 July 2018 (UTC)

What part of "it is the FOURTH source I have added, while the other 3 directly support the claim" do you not understand? Do you just want me to remove the fourth source where he is ranked along with Pele, etc. Would that make you happy then? Imperial HRH2 (talk) 16:46, 14 July 2018 (UTC)

What you have just done, in removing a source that ranks others above him, makes sense. Why did you insist on using a source that contradicts a sentence that preceded it? F8RIL (talk) 16:52, 14 July 2018 (UTC)

These sources are called secondary sources. They do not directly support the hypothesis but support the context of the argument. No, that's not what a secondary source is. A secondary source is "an author's analysis, evaluation, interpretation, or synthesis of the facts, evidence, concepts, and ideas taken from primary sources". Using sources that don't directly support the statement is synthesis of published material and not allowed in Wikipedia articles. --Ahecht (TALK
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Can any other seasoned Wikipedia editors chime in here. What is the criteria for sourcing content on Wikipedia? Can you have one thing that appears in the article be contradicted by the source? F8RIL (talk) 16:47, 14 July 2018 (UTC)x

Not as far as I am aware, the purpose of a source is to back up a claim made in an article, so a source that does the opposite isn't a source by definition. Purijj (talk) 17:24, 14 July 2018 (UTC)

To go one step further, you cannot use a bunch of sources about individual people claiming him to be the greatest to claim he's "widely regarded as the greatest", as that would be synthesis of published material and not allowed in Wikipedia articles. The only valid sources for such a claim are sources that specifically state that he's widely regarded.--Ahecht (TALK
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Regarded as some to be the greatest ever then. I have changed it to that as the sources do confirm that. He is also currently the best player in the world, and I've added that. This is a fact confirmed by him being the holder for both, the Balon d'Or and FIFA Best Player award Imperial HRH2 (talk) 17:13, 16 July 2018 (UTC)

It was a secondary support to the hypothesis. I have removed it anyway as the 4 other sources still directly support the claim. That should be the end of that. Refrain from making new sections just to seek attention in the future. All discussion for an ongoing discussion should fall under the same section. Imperial HRH2 (talk) 16:51, 14 July 2018 (UTC)

No, four sources of individual people claiming he's the greatest do not support a claim that he's regarded by many. Unless the source says "regarded by many", not "regarded by one person", it's WP:SYNTH. This is especially true when one of the sources is an athlete in a completely different sport who has nothing to do with soccer, and another is a non-football expert politician, with a long established track record of lying, trying to flatter the Portuguese president. --Ahecht (TALK
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So its more of an indirect source, as it doesn't directly back up the statement, but backups up the idea that Ronaldo is in the 'ballpark' in terms of the greatest ever? If I'm understanding it correctly. Purijj (talk) 17:24, 14 July 2018 (UTC)

That’s what Imperial HRH2 is claiming, an “hypothesis”. Okay the source doesn’t back up the declaration that he’s “widely regarded as the greatest”, but, he’s only got three or four ahead of him so it’s near enough. F8RIL (talk) 17:44, 14 July 2018 (UTC)

Ah I see. It is a source to back up the claim he is ONE of the greatest, though not the greatest, IMO a Secondary support would be like other articles also stating Ronaldo IS the greatest of all time, and not just ONE of them. A secondary source should be a source that backs up the statement made, no different to the main source in that regard, its just ask as an extra source of reference.Purijj (talk) 18:14, 14 July 2018 (UTC)

Precisely. Sources with CR7 in the top five would support “one of”, as he’s in that discussion, “the best” would be when he’s ranked number one. I don’t agree with the way it stands now, “one of”, as the sources support “the best”. The first one, “some have argued, of late, he’s the best”, is clearly elevating him above “one of” status. Why can’t we just have what the source says?.. “regarded by some as the best”. I’ve also heard Cristiano described as the greatest goalscorer ever, and it’s a claim that’s hard to argue with given the variety of goals (fabulous in the air, free kicks, long range strikes, penalty box finishes, solo runs, the lot), this is why I’d propose adding a specific attribute for both him and Messi, in Messi’s case “the greatest dribbler”. It’s what best defines them, makes them stand out above the others. F8RIL (talk) 11:49, 15 July 2018 (UTC)

Interesting idea, if we can get some good sources, have it worded correctly, and have a agreement with other contrituors then sure why not, though refrain from using "the greatest ever dribbler/goalscorer etc" - "one of the greatest ever....." would be better, Though first the opening statement issue needs to be resolved on both pages, we seem to be in agreement here though we need it to be agreed on Messi's talk page aswell.Purijj (talk) 12:55, 15 July 2018 (UTC)

The fact that an article referencing an instagram post from a cricket player is being used to back up the claim says a lot. O'Flannery (talk) 17:05, 14 July 2018 (UTC)

As that is the original source of the information, it shouldn't be used as a legit source, either way it has been removed. Purijj (talk) 17:24, 14 July 20

Ronaldo's speculated move to Italian club, Juventus F.C.

Thought I'd at least get something down on the talk page here. Everyone at my work, in school, and in restaurants are giggling and gagging about the potential transfer of Cristiano Ronaldo to Italian club Juventus F.C.. Every article I read seems to be lacking in reliability but seems to have some momentum. After the club's share price spiked, they released this statement: "Juventus clarifies that during the transfer window the club assesses various market opportunities and upon the eventual completion of these will provide adequate information, according to the law." How do we handle this speculated move? How do we introduce it to the article. Where do we put it? What are its parameters? Should we put it in? Not all that glitters is gold. Just thought I'd slap this post on the TP so people can discuss per the banner. LivinRealGüd (talk) 22:23, 6 July 2018 (UTC)

I don't think anything about his potential move to Juventus should be stated on his article unless it actually goes through officially. If nothing ever materializes, I don't think it should be mentioned—where that info would go would also be tough to determine, which is why I think we don't include transfer rumours. Vaselineeeeeeee^★★★ 23:49, 6 July 2018 (UTC)

I agree with Vaselineeeeeeee. Until something is actually confirmed, the banner at the top of the article is enough. --Ahecht (TALK
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Agreed with Vaselineeeeeeee. Purijj (talk) 06:30, 7 July 2018 (UTC)

Should not be included. Kante4 (talk) 08:23, 7 July 2018 (UTC)

There's no reason to include it right now, I agree, but this would make a good intro to the section on Ronaldo's 2018–19 season when we start writing it. – PeeJay 17:10, 7 July 2018 (UTC)

It's been confirmed by the club: https://www.realmadrid.com/noticias/2018/07/comunicado-oficial-cristiano-ronaldo - Brokenwit (talk) 16:40, 10 July 2018 (UTC)

Changing from Semi Protection to Extended confirmed protection?

Due to the speculation that Ronaldo may move to Juventus, there seems to be a lot of new users editing the page, changing his team to Juventus, this combined with the recent edit war regarding the opening sentence makes me think the page should be a temporary switch to Extended confirmed protection, at least until the speculation regarding Juventus is resolved. As for the edit war, that seems to be resolved for the most part (minus 1 or 2 users). I've added the request to Wikipedia:Requests for page protection.Purijj (talk) 12:54, 8 July 2018 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 10 July 2018

Joined Juventus Aiden1595 (talk) 16:29, 10 July 2018 (UTC)

Denied. The clubs have reached an agreement, though Ronaldo hasn't signed a contact yet. He isn't a Juventus player until the contract is signed.Purijj (talk) 16:41, 10 July 2018 (UTC)

He signed a contract until 30 June 2022 (source: [1] Juventus official website). I think it should be updated here on Wikipedia. --Mazewaxie 17:06, 10 July 2018 (UTC)

Money paid to Ronaldo

The media says he moved there for £99.2 million but it says here he moved for £100 million, so can someone change it? DragonMarking (talk) 19:28, 10 July 2018 (UTC)

Sorry I meant Ronaldo. DragonMarking (talk) 19:29, 10 July 2018 (UTC)

Where are your sources? Those are in pounds, it was €100 million (euros). Vaselineeeeeeee^★★★ 19:32, 10 July 2018 (UTC)

Per the cited source the transfer fee is €100 million plus €12 millions formation fees to his former clubs, Man Utd and Sporting, not €12 million in variables. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 109.92.37.109 (talk) 23:25, 10 July 2018 (UTC)

Block user:ArakkalAbu?

Can an admin block him, or at least give him a warning? He has recently started an edit war, and is making inappropriate comments to other contributors.

(cur | prev) 18:48, 13 July 2018‎ ArakkalAbu (talk | contribs)‎ . . (290,168 bytes) (-430)‎ . . (Alright. Then let's remove the "greatest of all time" from this page. Keep sucking the midget's dick. With practice, I hope you get better at it.) (undo | thank) (Tags: Mobile edit, Mobile web edit)

(cur | prev) 18:33, 13 July 2018‎ SMADG85 (talk | contribs)‎ . . (290,598 bytes) (+7)‎ . . (Reverted to revision 850113121 by O'Flannery (talk): Shut up, Maradona was better than both of them! (TW)) (undo | thank) (Tag: Undo)

(cur | prev) 18:13, 13 July 2018‎ ArakkalAbu (talk | contribs)‎ . . (290,591 bytes) (-7)‎ . . (All right asshole. Then u tell me what sources u trust and I will bring them and shove it up ur ass. Bcoz I'm pretty sure u are going to dismiss the sources I bring.) (undo | thank) (Tags: Mobile edit, Mobile web edit)

(cur | prev) 17:54, 13 July 2018‎ O'Flannery (talk | contribs)‎ . . (290,598 bytes) (+14)‎ . . (Undid revision 850112138 by ArakkalAbu (talk) Hypocrisy? You need sources to back up a claim. Referring to Messi as a dwarf and ending your comment with an expletive is really going to strengthen your argument, isn't it?) (undo | thank) (Tag: Undo)

(cur | prev) 17:44, 13 July 2018‎ ArakkalAbu (talk | contribs)‎ . . (290,584 bytes) (-14)‎ . . (Alright this ends here. What kind of hypocrisy is this? On the dwarf's page u all midget fuckers agree "the greatest". But for CR7 it is "one of the greatest ? Fuck off.) (undo | thank) (Tags: Mobile edit, Mobile web edit)

Purijj (talk) 18:58, 13 July 2018 (UTC)

Purijj - I blocked him about five minutes ago... ;-) ~Oshwah~^{(talk) (contribs)} 18:59, 13 July 2018 (UTC)

Good work :) Purijj (talk) 19:01, 13 July 2018 (UTC)

And I just re-blocked indefinitely, because that's User:Es031989 again. Black Kite (talk) 19:47, 14 July 2018 (UTC)

Good, thanks. Purijj (talk) 20:04, 14 July 2018 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 16 July 2018

Locbinbo (talk) 09:43, 16 July 2018 (UTC) In FIFA World Cup 2018, he has an unsuccessful seasons because Portugal team was eliminated by Uruguay in 1/8 knock out stages.

 Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. Danski454 (talk) 11:12, 16 July 2018 (UTC)

User Exa/Exam

Just a quick note: All posts on this page claiming to be by User:Exa and User:Exam were actually made by an unregistered editor User:97.94.152.33. There are registered editors with those names, but it is unlikely to be either one of those as neither have edited on the English Wikipedia. --Ahecht (TALK
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Thanks. Purijj (talk) 18:20, 16 July 2018 (UTC)

Enough

Article fully protected for two weeks. The alternative was to block a number of edit-warring editors, one in particular. Now discuss, please. When the protection expires, if the edit-warring reoccurs I will issue blocks, and they won't be short ones. Black Kite (talk) 18:05, 16 July 2018 (UTC)

Good idea to put it on full protection, thanks. Purijj (talk) 18:20, 16 July 2018 (UTC)

Black Kite (talk), While you're at it, you might want to lock the the Messi page as well since there has been volatility there after Purijj edited (rightfully) it. Imperial HRH2 (talk) 20:26, 17 July 2018 (UTC)

Imperial HRH2, Agreed it should be, though I wouldn't say there was volatility there (compared to this page at least). A request would have to me made on Messi's Talk page I think. Purijj (talk) 21:17, 17 July 2018 (UTC)

I just had a look at the Messi page since Purijj edited it and I also failed to see any sign of 'volatility' there. Would you care to explain what you were referring to exactly, Imperial HRH2? O'Flannery (talk) 12:16, 18 July 2018 (UTC)

@Black Kite: Can you restore the indefinite semi-protection that was in place before you did the full protection? Now that the full protection has expired, it's back to unprotected. --Ahecht (TALK
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Protected edit request on 22 July 2018

He doesn't hold the record of goals scored in a 38-game Premier League season anymore, Salah broke it. 82.131.107.108 (talk) 10:42, 22 July 2018 (UTC)

 Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. LivinRealGüd (talk) 02:57, 28 July 2018 (UTC)

He’s right, the source is at Mohamed Salah. I’ll just change it once protection ends. Vaselineeeeeeee^★★★ 03:05, 28 July 2018 (UTC)

Sounds good. LivinRealGüd (talk) 03:16, 28 July 2018 (UTC)

For ease, here is a direct link, I've double-checked List of career achievements by Cristiano Ronaldo and it looks ok there, only has reference of club-level record club-level record. Purijj (talk) 13:29, 29 July 2018 (UTC)

 Done. Purijj (talk) 17:21, 31 July 2018 (UTC)

Portuguese national team should read Portugal national team. SLBedit (talk) 14:28, 19 July 2018 (UTC)

2nd line in the first opening paragraph. Purijj (talk) 16:30, 30 July 2018 (UTC)

 Done. Purijj (talk) 17:21, 31 July 2018 (UTC)

Scoring record is missing - Ronaldo has played 438 games for Real Madrid in all offical competions, and scoring 451 goals. Hassona60 (talk) 09:39, 19 July 2018 (UTC)

 Not done: Ronaldo has scored 450, the 1 goal is the one that Marca always counts in which Wikipedia doesn't include as an official goal. It was on "List of career achievements by Cristiano Ronaldo", though I have now corrected this.

According to fan votes, Ronaldo was in team tournament in 2018 FIFA World Cup. The same template applied for the fan team in 2014. Please add for Ronaldo and the other 10 players. https://en.wiki.x.io/wiki/Template:2018_FIFA_World_Cup_Team_of_the_Tournament — Preceding unsigned comment added by Portugal2018 (talk • contribs) 16:33, 23 July 2018 (UTC)

 Done. Purijj (talk) 17:21, 31 July 2018 (UTC)

Full protection edit request on 16 July 2018 - I've just amended Messi's page to mirror Ronaldo opening statement, and have added quality sources to his page, as Ronalos page is on full protection, can someone do this aswell (replace current sources on the page with the ones below? As I believe there are higher quality and more accurately back up the claim. Just have to copy and paste it, formatting has been done (click edit on this section to copy it).

Purijj (talk) 18:19, 16 July 2018 (UTC)

Wouldn’t get rid of all the sources that are used in the article now. The “some argue he’s the best” one is fine. Keeping a source or two that has him as “the best” is okay, likewise with Messi, just add the Independent and the Four Four Two sources. Maximum four sources as that’s more than sufficient, especially as the linked ‘greatest’ article has plenty of sources to further support the claims. F8RIL (talk) 20:51, 16 July 2018 (UTC)

F8RIL thanks, would you be able to do that? do you have admin status? :) Purijj (talk) 10:23, 17 July 2018 (UTC)

I don’t Purijj. There’s no great rush anyway as the sources on Ronaldo’s article are reliable (even the CNN one) so are okay for now. F8RIL (talk) 00:02, 18 July 2018 (UTC)

Agreed. Purijj (talk) 07:20, 18 July 2018 (UTC)

No, while the CNN article is a reliable source as to what Trump said, it is not a reliable source about Ronaldo's ranking. The opinion of one politician trying to flatter another not a reliable source about the greatness of an athlete. Trump says a lot of things about a lot of people, but we're not going to cite him for assertions that Ted Cruz is a liar, or that Marco Rubio is little, or that Hillary is crooked, or that Elizabeth Warren is goofy, so we shouldn't be citing him here. --Ahecht (TALK
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Agreed. just mirror the 2 sources on Messi's page. Purijj (talk) 07:20, 18 July 2018 (UTC)

Hadn’t even clicked on the CNN source but I assumed (wrongly?) a comment about Ronaldo’s standing in the game was included in the article, separate from Trump’s own view. If it was just Trump then yeah, despite CNN being a reliable source it wouldn’t be the best source to support such a claim. F8RIL (talk) 15:00, 18 July 2018 (UTC)

It appears to be the former and not the latter. Agreed.Purijj (talk) 17:12, 18 July 2018 (UTC)

 Done. Purijj (talk) 17:21, 31 July 2018 (UTC)

Youth-level international goals

Should the International section in Career Statistics include youth international games, as it does on Messi's page for example?. Also if anyone can help adding notes to the bottom of the table that would be great. Thanks. Purijj (talk) 17:22, 31 July 2018 (UTC)

Peer review request

I've submitted a peer review request, so if anyone with experience can review the page and see what is needed to be done to get it to Good article status. The edit war regarding the opening sentence is resolved, and Ronaldo has moved to Juventus, so when the above requests have been attended to, and when the full protection status is lifted, it would be best for someone to do a peer review. Purijj (talk) 17:22, 31 July 2018 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 4 August 2018

Can i please edit 100.12.41.52 (talk) 21:58, 4 August 2018 (UTC)

 Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. Danski454 (talk) 22:08, 4 August 2018 (UTC)

Query

Hi, was wondering why the quote boxes within the sub timeframes of his professional career were removed? Thanks Aether fzn (talk) 05:04, 7 August 2018 (UTC)

Aether fzn Maybe the person who removed it though there where too many quotes. I would advise going through the edit history to find out, then maybe ask the person why. Purijj (talk) 08:40, 7 August 2018 (UTC)

Strange, because I don't see a reason why it was removed since the content within the timeframes is already condensed in a concise format anyways... I'll have a look sometime soon and restore it. Aether fzn (talk) 15:43, 7 August 2018 (UTC)

Agreed Aether fzn, if you could do that, that would be great, as I couldn't seem to find when it was done. Purijj (talk) 19:25, 7 August 2018 (UTC)

First appearance and first goal with Juventus

Ronaldo had his first appearance and first goal with Juventus, albeit an unofficial friendly match against Juventus' U20 side. Should it be mentioned on his page? Source (http://www.espn.com/soccer/juventus/story/3594665/juventus-cristiano-ronaldo-scores-goal-vs-u20s-in-first-appearance) Gumbi93 (talk) 18:38, 13 August 2018 (UTC)

Since it's an unofficial match, I don't think it needs to be mentioned, at least from what I've seen before it's not usually listed. Someone recently made Villar Perosa (association football match) for this "traditional match", but I'm not sure if that's necessary either. I've seen unofficial friendlies sometimes listed for international matches such as at Ciro Immobile, but perhaps those are more notable since they occur less often - see England national football team results (unofficial matches). I may be able to be swayed. Vaselineeeeeeee^★★★ 18:59, 13 August 2018 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 15 August 2018

Cristiano Ronaldo dos Santos Aveiro GOIH ComM is a Portuguese professional footballer who plays as a forward for Italian club Juventus and the Portugal national team Userinfinite (talk) 19:59, 15 August 2018 (UTC)

@Userinfinite:  Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. --Ahecht (TALK
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Semi-protected edit request on 22 August 2018

Individual Awards:

• La Liga Best Player: 2013-14
• La Liga Best Forward: 2013–14 79.66.160.20 (talk) 09:50, 22 August 2018 (UTC)

 Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. NiciVampireHeart 11:28, 10 September 2018 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 29 September 2018

I request that cristiano ronaldo's height is given as 1.87m in juventus offical website.. And he looks pretty that much tall so you may give us a chance to update it or do it yourself,thanks. 182.185.99.203 (talk) 18:33, 29 September 2018 (UTC)

 Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. L293D (☎ • ✎) 20:38, 29 September 2018 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 30 September 2018 ronaldo's height should be changed from 1.85m to 1.87m

Please change the height of Cristiano Ronaldo from 1.85m to 1.87m , because the height of juventus forward Cristiano Ronaldo according the official juventus website; http://www.juventus.com/en/teams/first-team/forwards/cristiano-ronaldo/index.php is 1.87meters or 6ft 2inch, 182.185.6.91 (talk) 07:20, 30 September 2018 (UTC)

 Done. Vaselineeeeeeee^★★★ 15:35, 30 September 2018 (UTC)

Ronaldo (name)

There is a discussion at [2] regarding renaming the Ronaldo name page. Flooded with them hundreds 08:49, 1 October 2018 (UTC)

Awards section in external links

Was just adding in his inclusion in the 2018 World Cup team of the year, and it looked fine on the preview, but obviously doesn't work now. Can someone sort this out? APM (talk) 01:23, 16 August 2018 (UTC)

APM, where is this exactly? Purijj (talk) 11:44, 14 October 2018 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 25 October 2018

Ronaldo has not won a FIFA World Cup.

Please change "After winning his first trophy, the FA Cup, during his first season in England, he helped United win three successive Premier League titles, a UEFA Champions League title, and a FIFA Club World Cup." to "After winning his first trophy, the FA Cup, during his first season in England, he helped United win three successive Premier League titles and one UEFA Champions League title." Amileinhisshoes (talk) 16:59, 25 October 2018 (UTC)

The FIFA World Cup is a different competition to the FIFA *Club* World Cup. Mattythewhite (talk) 17:02, 25 October 2018 (UTC)

Ronaldo alcohol

Cristiano Ronaldo says he doesn't drink alcohol at all but in the documentary movie "Ronaldo" we can see he's drinking both red wine and Champagne. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 84.52.206.106 (talk) 20:04, 16 August 2018 (UTC)

Most likely rarely drinks alcohol. Purijj (talk) 11:41, 14 October 2018 (UTC)

Perhaps even hard alcohol. One Factor (talk) 06:48, 6 December 2018 (UTC)

Cristiano Ronaldo sexual assault allegations

For expert attention: the article Cristiano Ronaldo sexual assault allegations was recently created. I'll leave the decision of whether or not it warrants a separate article to those more knowledgeable, but please note WP:PAGEDECIDE, WP:NOTNEWS, WP:NOTEVERYTHING, and WP:ONUS. --Animalparty! (talk) 02:29, 7 December 2018 (UTC)

It most certainly does not need its own separate article nor does it require such prominent placement at Template:Cristiano Ronaldo series. Removed from template. Also the second paragraph at Cristiano Ronaldo#Controversies needs to be reduced to at most three sentences. Right now its so WP:UNDUE it compromising this article's Wikipedia:Neutral point of view. One Factor (talk) 07:57, 7 December 2018 (UTC)

 Done. Page in question has been deleted. One Factor (talk) 10:15, 7 December 2018 (UTC)

Y Done: summarized the controversy section per OP's initial suggestions.

Ronaldo and another man were investigated by the British Crown Prosecution Service after a 2005 rape allegation was brought forward by two women. Within days, the two women withdrew their allegation and Scotland Yard later issued a statement declaring there was not enough evidence for a prosecution. In April 2017 it was reported that Ronaldo was being investigated for another rape allegation by the Las Vegas Police Department originating in 2009. Documents, confirmed by Ronaldo's lawyers, state that Ronaldo paid a woman US$375,000 in a non-disclosure settlement. Ronaldo and his lawyers issued a lengthy statement denying all accusations, describing them as an "intentional defamation campaign" with parts significantly "altered and/or completely fabricated".

Thanks for bringing it to the talk. In addition to the concerns you raised, I'd also say that WP:NOTWIKIA and WP:INDISCRIMINATE are particularly relevant. One Factor (talk) 01:12, 8 December 2018 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 8 December 2018

I would like to add in Manchester United and Real Madrid trophies/rewards a Ballon d´or Milo GamesYT (talk) 17:29, 8 December 2018 (UTC)

 Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. – Jonesey95 (talk) 18:40, 8 December 2018 (UTC)

Statistics on the front.

Whoever is in charge of updating this page isn't doing it correctly. His stats at Real Madrid should be updated. He scored well passed 311 for Real Madrid. CeltiKKKs (talk) 22:36, 12 January 2019 (UTC)

Never mind, I just noticed that only the league goals are displayed. CeltiKKKs (talk) 22:41, 12 January 2019 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 11 February 2019

182.181.178.152 (talk) 15:53, 11 February 2019 (UTC)

Change Cristiano Ronaldo's height from 185 cm to 187 cm by website=https://www.juventus.com/it/squadre/prima-squadra/attaccanti/cristiano-ronaldo/index.php

 Not done. They do not list his height. See discussion above. Vaselineeeeeeee^★★★ 16:08, 11 February 2019 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 16 February 2019

COOLDUDE271 (talk) 20:49, 16 February 2019 (UTC) can you change the community shields won in the honours section becuase he has actually won 2 of them 2005 and 2008

He definitely did not win it in 2005 since that game was between Arsenal and Chelsea. He didn't win in 2008 either as he wasn't part of the matchday squad, nor did he win in 2003 for the same reason. The only one you could legitimately say he won was in 2007. – PeeJay 20:58, 16 February 2019 (UTC)

Cristiano's height.

For some reason, some user is editing Cristiano's height. He is including as a "source" the FIFA World Cup entry list players. However, that is not a reliable source. Cristiano was obviously not measured by the FIFA for them to list his height. On the other hand, Cristiano was originally listed in this article as 1.87. The reliable source is RealMadrid.com. This source is more reliable since Cristiano was measured by Real Madrid and his height and weight was listed accordingly. James343e (talk) 12:45, 29 January 2019 (UTC)

Here is an even more reliable source. Where they are measuring him https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=PKDxqsUam3o&t=26s&feature=youtu.be Martinkopperudandersen (talk) 22:58, 30 January 2019 (UTC)

He has never been listed as 1.87cm before the Real Madrid listing came out, which seems like a typo. I can list more 1.85cm sources than 1.87cm ones. Martinkopperudandersen (talk) 23:01, 30 January 2019 (UTC)

Please feel free to do so. Don't bother with your YouTube video, though, as we do not see him measured. They just have the height on the voiceover and the red line that stops at his eyes. This won't matter when you show us your other sources. Britmax (talk) 15:36, 3 February 2019 (UTC)

I propose that this exact measurement of Ronaldos height is to be listed as his height. This is a documentary, and Britmax implies that we don´t see him get measured, which is totally unrelevent to the case, because the whole 3d scanning of the body would take time and of course they don´t show all of it. I meanm have you ever watched a documentary before? And the laser does not stop at his eyes, it is half away down to show us that the laser is scanning. This is a sky documentary and real sports scientists are doing this tests and we actually get visual confirmation of various body measurements, including his excact height measureement, which is 185,1 cm. This is more then I can say about the listing from Real Madrid. Martinkopperudandersen (talk) 22:55, 6 February 2019 (UTC)

Yes, YouTube is generally not a source we use per WP:YOUTUBE. However, since Ronaldo does not play for Real Madrid anymore, and his Juventus profile does not list his height, I think we should use 1.85 m as listed on 2018 FIFA World Cup players. Vaselineeeeeeee^★★★ 23:20, 6 February 2019 (UTC)

That is fine by me. Since his real height is 1.85 m anyway according to the documentary. Go ahead and change it then:) Martinkopperudandersen (talk) 23:23, 6 February 2019 (UTC)

Ronaldo's height is stuck at 189 cm, and is also backed up with an unreliable source. Ronaldo's height is actually somewhere between 185-187 cm, and I have a few good sources to back it up. Can I make an edit to his height? Matthewishere0 (talk) 04:54, 21 May 2019 (UTC)

Navboxes

It seems like the article is too long for all of the templates below the external links to be properly displayed. At the moment, the navboxes are not visible. I've discovered this before today's two edits on the page when I've fixed the errors. Iggy (Swan) 20:56, 24 April 2019 (UTC)

I have commented out all but the Juventes navbox, since most of them weren't displaying anyway, and it was forcing this page to appear in an error category. If we really want that huge number of navboxes to show up in the article, the only way to fix it would be to either massively trim down the page (probably the playing history section), move all the awards to a separate page the way the pages for most big actors have, or split this page into multiple pages.

Please don't uncomment the navboxes without previewing the page and making sure that it doesn't say "Warning: Template include size is too large. Some templates will not be included." at the top in preview mode. --Ahecht (TALK
PAGE) 13:40, 23 May 2019 (UTC)

By commenting out the navboxes, you are simply hiding the problem, which doesn't spur anyone into taking remedial action. If you're that bothered about the templates issue, I suggest you actually solve it, not just sweep it under the rug. – PeeJay 14:08, 23 May 2019 (UTC)

The templates were not displaying anyway, so by commenting them out I have at least removed the page from the error category and allowed other templates, like {{Authority control}} to continue to work. These excessive navboxes are not essential to the page, and you shouldn't intentionally break the page just to make a WP:POINT. Before you claim that I'm somehow abdicating responsibility, be aware that I have already put a great deal of effort into trimming down this article and keeping the template include size down, but it is a losing battle: [3][4][5][6][7][8][9][10][11][12][13] --Ahecht (TALK
PAGE) 14:15, 23 May 2019 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 27 May 2019

Change manchester united goals to 118 not 84 113.173.142.41 (talk) 13:53, 27 May 2019 (UTC)

 Not done. League goals only in infobox, see Career statistics section for all goals. Vaselineeeeeeee^★★★ 14:15, 27 May 2019 (UTC)

A year later, on 7 October 2002, Ronaldo made his debut in the Primeira Liga, against Moreirense, and scored two goals in their 3–0 win.[24]

Thats wrong!..

Correction: "A year later, on 29 September 2002, Ronaldo made his debut in the Primeira Liga, against SC Braga (lost 4:2). Against Moreirense, on 7 October 2002, he scored two goals in their 3–0 win.

see: https://www.transfermarkt.co.uk/spielbericht/index/spielbericht/2853678

--Lanzenhart (talk) 18:41, 19 May 2019 (UTC)

@Lanzenhart: so are you saying that Ronaldo actually made his debut on 29 September 2002? And if it is true, can you find more reliable sources? Matthewishere0 (talk) 04:56, 21 May 2019 (UTC)

so you say you don't trust the source ??? even microsoft did it as example...so it could be changed or let it possibly wrong... https://www.msn.com/en-us/sports/soccer/cristiano-ronaldos-career-highlights/ss-AA85yca#image=2... which source do you have... let me know please.. (...here another source https://historia-biografia.com/cristiano-ronaldo/, and I would be glad if you can find sources by yourself...) greets....--Lanzenhart (talk) 19:30, 30 May 2019 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 6 June 2019

Cristiano Ronaldo has 42 assists in the UEFA Champions League not 34. 2A02:908:4E1:4B60:D8D2:31F9:D40C:99D0 (talk) 01:28, 6 June 2019 (UTC)

 Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. NiciVampireHeart 14:52, 6 June 2019 (UTC)

Page size

This article has 428,937 bytes of wiki markup. It needs to be heavily trimmed, or sub-divided. What's the best way to do that? Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 22:49, 25 May 2019 (UTC)

@Pigsonthewing: - I know one suggestion - having this article to be peer-reviewed for a broader perspective upon many users. I've noticed that another user has made this article a GA nominee (see top of page). The reviewer will take a certain amount of hours to work on it if it starts today and may end up in a speedy fail like with the other nominees in the past. The trimming may also end the template include size dilemma which has been on the article recently. Iggy (Swan) 18:48, 6 June 2019 (UTC)

That nomination has been removed. Iggy (Swan) 18:54, 6 June 2019 (UTC)

@Pigsonthewing:- Please make sure that the important data such as goals scored are not removed when trying to "trim" the article

Removal of sourced content by Nm10Lm10

Nm10Lm10 - you requested that I "educate [you] on how to take this forward in a talkpage". Here is a section for you to do so. Make your case for the content removal below. In the meantime, to avoid possible sanctions for edit-warring (you have now made 4 reverts), please revert your removal until consensus is achieved here. Thank you. -- Begoon 14:37, 9 June 2019 (UTC)

I referred to both the sources and had a long read. Although one of the two sources says a lot about his qualities and abilities, there's no mention of CR as a creative playmaker with "good vision and passing ability" and it is also evident from the fact that we have witnessed the lack of vision, awareness and playmaking abilities of CR. Also, the source is misleading. This is a change which is the truth in all honesty. My only intention is to not misguide the masses. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Nm10Lm10 (talk • contribs) 14:49, 9 June 2019 (UTC)

Yes, you've said that little piece about "not misguiding the masses" several times now. It's starting to feel like something of a diatribe. Frankly, it feels a little weird that you've come out of nowhere to remove content from Cristiano Ronaldo's article. – PeeJay 14:57, 9 June 2019 (UTC)

Your answers seem to be biased. CR isn't known for his playmaking, or vision or passing abilities instead for his goal-scoring prowess, aerial ability, an eye for the goal and athleticism and is regarded as a prolific goal-machine and that's a fact. The source is misleading in a way like telling that Messi is a great header just because of his goal against Man Utd in the UCL final. Clearly, Messi is not a good header at all. Same applies to Ronaldo. So, the truth should prevail.

• Once you revert your change I will be willing to continue this discussion. I may even agree with you - but I won't discuss it until you revert out the edit-warred change. You need to understand how things work, and teaching you that edit-warring is ok would be doing you no favours. -- Begoon 14:59, 9 June 2019 (UTC)

  I have done it. Can we discuss it now? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Nm10Lm10 (talk • contribs) 15:23, 9 June 2019 (UTC)

  Ok, thanks for the self-revert - having fully read the sources I agree that they don't really support the content you removed. I'd be happy to instead see a sentence remarking on Ronaldo's evolution from a wing player to a versatile attacker who can "tuck in" behind the main attacker(s), later adopting a more "free-ranging" role - but let's see what thoughts other editors have. They may want to present better source(s) or have other ideas. -- Begoon 15:27, 9 June 2019 (UTC)

  So, are you actually telling me that I am right? If so, the source is definitely misleading. So that should be enough to approve my change right. And also, if you look into the longer source clearly, it's being mentioned Ronaldo relies on his teammates "service". Massive respect to CR but the truth should prevail. I mean my point is Ronaldo hasn't been a deep lying creative playmaker whose widely known for his vision.He's instead known for his unique lethal goal scoring prowess. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Nm10Lm10 (talk • contribs) 15:32, 9 June 2019 (UTC)

  I am saying exactly what I said - no more, no less. You are correct that in my opinion the current sources don't fully support the current content, but removal is not the only option - so we wait for other opinions and consensus to form. Don't get carried away, have patience - my opinion is, like yours, just one voice. There is no DEADLINE -- Begoon 15:40, 9 June 2019 (UTC)

  Fair enough. I totally get it. Thanks for your consent and time. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Nm10Lm10 (talk • contribs) 15:48, 9 June 2019 (UTC)

  Also, you might want to ease up on the "truth for the masses" stuff - we're encyclopedia writers, not evangelicals on a crusade - see also WP:TRUTH. -- Begoon 15:50, 9 June 2019 (UTC)

  Lol. Okay man. Chill. By the way, please have a look at this source(regarding above discussion) when you're free. http://grantland.com/the-triangle/the-evolution-of-cristiano-ronaldo-real-madrid-manchester-united/ — Preceding unsigned comment added by Nm10Lm10 (talk • contribs) 16:02, 9 June 2019 (UTC)

Interesting. "He either terrorized the wing, creating shots for himself and strikers Karim Benzema and Gonzalo Higuaín" - but now "it’s the world-class movement and finishing that’s always been there but wasn’t always obvious." It's an opinion. I'm not sure I fully share it, but I understand it. -- Begoon 16:19, 9 June 2019 (UTC)

Bruh. It's actually very easy to confirm the change I tried to make just having watched CR playing through the years. Funny how wiki pages contain content something based on sources which themselves are a opinion of others but would have doubts making a change from another source. Anyway, here's another source, more credible. https://sport360.com/article/football/juventus/293118/cristiano-ronaldo-evolution-from-sporting-lisbon-to-manchester-united-and-real-madrid — Preceding unsigned comment added by Nm10Lm10 (talk • contribs) 16:34, 9 June 2019 (UTC)

From https://sport360.com/article/football/juventus/293118/cristiano-ronaldo-evolution-from-sporting-lisbon-to-manchester-united-and-real-madrid - "he reserved his energy stores to play off the shoulder of the last man, prowling the edge of the box and pulling the trigger with predatory precision. The explosion of old was losing its edge but he remained an unbelievable athlete and finisher. Less involved in build-up play, his passes were merely to recycle possession. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Nm10Lm10 (talk • contribs) 17:48, 9 June 2019 (UTC)

He's right. Manchester United fan here. Having watched Cristiano all these years, I can confirm he has never been a playmaker or a creator although he did so occasionally like every typical winger putting those crosses. He was actually an explosive trickster in Manchester and turned to focus mainly on scoring in his latter years. In fact, several people consider Messi to be better is mainly because of Messi's playmaking and his telepathic vision which has always been something Cristiano wasn't quite capable of and that has always held him back behind Messi. During his time with Madrid, Cristiano most of the time played centrally as a striker and became a pure goalscorer. So, being a Cristiano fan, I should agree on this. Bias aside. But, @Nm10Lm10, Relax mate. You're right but you don't have to sound that way and emphasize on certain phrases. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Sir SAF (talk • contribs) 10:50, 10 June 2019 (UTC)

It's very easy to confirm anything if you use your own eyes as a source, that's why we're not allowed to use primary sources on Wikipedia. – PeeJay 16:38, 9 June 2019 (UTC)

One of those primary sources is brain - fully functioning and having the ability to understand the difference between playmaking and predatory abilities. The same brain was used to develop this wikipedia platform. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Nm10Lm10 (talk • contribs) 16:44, 9 June 2019 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 6 June 2019

Cristiano Ronaldo has 42 assists in the UEFA Champions League not 34. 2A02:908:4E1:4B60:D8D2:31F9:D40C:99D0 (talk) 01:28, 6 June 2019 (UTC)

 Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. NiciVampireHeart 14:52, 6 June 2019 (UTC)

Page size

This article has 428,937 bytes of wiki markup. It needs to be heavily trimmed, or sub-divided. What's the best way to do that? Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 22:49, 25 May 2019 (UTC)

@Pigsonthewing: - I know one suggestion - having this article to be peer-reviewed for a broader perspective upon many users. I've noticed that another user has made this article a GA nominee (see top of page). The reviewer will take a certain amount of hours to work on it if it starts today and may end up in a speedy fail like with the other nominees in the past. The trimming may also end the template include size dilemma which has been on the article recently. Iggy (Swan) 18:48, 6 June 2019 (UTC)

That nomination has been removed. Iggy (Swan) 18:54, 6 June 2019 (UTC)

@Pigsonthewing:- Please make sure that the important data such as goals scored are not removed when trying to "trim" the article