Talk:American Marxism

Implementation and use of the ideological term “American Marxism”.

The term “American Marxism” is a term that describes a new ideology of the current movement of modern left wing organizations, this term must be implemented onto this site. The term was first coined by Mark Levin in his 2021 book “American Marxism”. My eagerness to implement this term is without any political bias and purely with understanding the actions and ideas of said parties and the correlation with Levin’s concept which I highly agree with. This term is a term that can be used to describe the current ruling ideology of these parties and the current political environment on the western left and is a term that correctly describes the uniqueness of this ideology as opposed to others that may be similar, such as Marxism-Leninism or traditional Marxism. Take the American Communist Party, one of many parties holding this new ideology. This ideology and political philosophy didn’t exist in this party until mass awareness of it’s existence came to the attention of radical politicians and organizations in the west. The ideas and methods of this party alone, are very unique and exceptional from other communist parties around the world. Currently it (coined by they themselves) is described as “Bill of Rights Socialism” being exclusive to their party. Described as an idea of the co existence between the U.S Bill of Rights and Far-Left views. However this term only describes a fraction of the current philosophy of American left wing parties in today’s age, American Marxism describes the uniqueness & structure in this philosophy and I truly think it has a place on this site and on this page. Please acknowledge this and take the steps to implement the term on this site and take the steps to implement this ideology into our studies. Terms such as “Democratic Socialism” or “Social Democracy” describe only what is a hypothetical nutshell of what these philosophies may result as, and there are only so many separate terms that can describe the agenda that many left wing American parties are pushing. Terms that may describe this concept may include “social anarchism”, “eco socialism”, “liberalism”, “corporatism”, “left wing nationalism”, “wokeism” (unofficial term), I could go on. But these all have collectively combined into one movement, and the ideology itself can be described as “American Marxism”. I suggest doing some digging into the book yourselves before disregarding this, and I also suggest we document this term onto Wikipedia.org. I want this message fully acknowledged and I will keep pushing implementation on this term as it is crucial to expanding the site. JSPolitic (talk) 05:49, 6 January 2022 (UTC)

Before suggesting that anyone is "disregarding" it, I would return your suggestion and suggest you do your research of Wikipedia guidelines and policies. You were reverted because this is a page about a book and you changed the page to be about the term. Also, Wikipedia is not a platform for politics and would recommend you be careful about "pushing implementation on this term" with the context of a veiled threat. Wikipedia does not take kindly to those who want to use it to push their agenda. --CNMall41 (talk) 18:01, 6 January 2022 (UTC)

If my suggestion wasn’t being disregarded then it should be clear I am not pushing any sort of agenda and that shouldn’t be at all in the question. My politics are not in concern upon the push to implement this term, this term is an ideological term that I want implemented for the purpose of study, not conversion. If Wikipedia truly didn’t have anyone’s politics, this term would be taken much more seriously as to recognize and study a philosophy in political science, it must first be recognized. American Marxism is NOT a term to push any agenda of any kind, those who disregard it for the context, are pushing their own agenda. JSPolitic (talk) 23:15, 6 January 2022 (UTC)

My suggestion here is not a threat, it is me as a contributor practicing my contribution and attempting to spread awareness on the term. JSPolitic (talk) 23:20, 6 January 2022 (UTC)

I am also suggesting here that a separate page is implemented for the term itself. As the current title of this page is simply “American Marxism”, a page title that could be confused with a page about an ideological term. JSPolitic (talk) 23:25, 6 January 2022 (UTC)

Unfortunately I cannot follow the failed logic so no need for me to discuss further. I am not sure how someone can confuse the term when it clearly says IT IS A BOOK!!!!--CNMall41 (talk) 01:50, 7 January 2022 (UTC)

Failed logic? You have a page TITLED with an ideological term, and ignoring my suggestion for a separate page isn’t helping the issue. JSPolitic (talk) 06:25, 7 January 2022 (UTC)

Yes, failed logic. You demonstrated it in that statement as well. When you say the page is title with an ideological term, the premises you start with is false so any conclusion you come to will be based on fallacy. The page is titled for a book of the same name. Know the difference. --CNMall41 (talk) 04:00, 8 January 2022 (UTC)

And can you explain how this is false? “American Marxism” at its core is an ideological term coined by Mark Levin, you must be oblivious to my proposal that this page must be titled in a separate context from it’s ideological term. Again you are also blatantly ignoring my suggestion to add a separate page for the term and therefore change the title of this page accordingly. The only one demonstrating “failed logic” here is you, and you cannot seem to grasp this. JSPolitic (talk) 06:35, 9 January 2022 (UTC)

I think you answered it yourself if you can not be so narrowly focused. I never said anything about it being a separate a page. I said THIS page is about a book and you changed it to be the term. If you don't understand that, then there isn't anything else to discuss. --CNMall41 (talk) 12:19, 9 January 2022 (UTC)

I know quite well what you said and what I did. But you are not correctly acknowledging my rebuttal here, the TERM itself is a concept you seem to throw aside, if it were an existing term on this site, it’s title for the page would be exactly “American Marxism”, because it’s an IDEOLOGICAL TERM. You don’t seem to understand that I want the title changed because, again, I want the term itself implemented. This shouldn’t be that hard to comprehend. So might I suggest changing the title to “American Marxism (Book)”, so when this term finally gets acknowledged by an open minded human being and gets linked under multiple political parties, it doesn’t get linked to the book itself, and therefore so there is no confusion. JSPolitic (talk) 18:47, 9 January 2022 (UTC)

Wikipedia is not a place for things that you or your friend made up one day. No actual political scientists use this made-up term, nor do any serious journalists. If and when actual grownups find the term useful and start using it in actual serious publications, then an article about it might be appropriate. --Orange Mike | Talk 14:51, 22 January 2022 (UTC)