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Template:Special quote

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The result of the discussion was delete Plastikspork _―Œ^(talk) 02:51, 8 July 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Template:Special quote (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)

This un-used template is apparently a test-edit of Template:Aqwal listed below. The template is redundant to html blockquote, Template:quote and Template:quotation. The template uses hard to view FONT family, size and color assignments, not in accord with WP:FONTSIZE, WP:FONTFAMILY and WP:ACCESS. —Telpardec TALK 16:02, 30 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Move to Template:Aqwal/sandbox and Template:Aqwal/sandbox/doc , and keep if {{aqwal}} is kept -- 65.94.79.6 (talk) 07:37, 1 July 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Delete as redundant. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 13:46, 1 July 2013 (UTC)[reply]
delete or move to a sandbox/userspace. Frietjes (talk) 17:11, 1 July 2013 (UTC)[reply]

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Template:Section images needed

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The result of the discussion was delete Plastikspork _―Œ^(talk) 02:53, 8 July 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Template:Section images needed (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)

This was never used and I also don't find it very practical. I think the best for these things is to use the talk page without a tag. Magioladitis (talk) 14:49, 30 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]

delete, better to use the talk page. Frietjes (talk) 17:12, 1 July 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Delete - better to use the tlka page. Images may help improve an article but they aren't a deficiency that needs to be called out in article space with a maintenance tag. -- Whpq (talk) 20:02, 2 July 2013 (UTC)[reply]

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Template:Aqwal

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The result of the discussion was delete Plastikspork _―Œ^(talk) 02:51, 8 July 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Template:Aqwal (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)

The template is redundant to html blockquote, Template:quote and Template:quotation. The template's documentation says: Aqwal is an Arabic word which means 'Saying' or 'quotation'. This is the English wikipedia: Why use an arabic template name? The template uses hard to view FONT family, size and color assignments, not in accord with WP:FONTSIZE, WP:FONTFAMILY and WP:ACCESS. —Telpardec TALK 07:45, 30 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Delete as unused, redundant, inaccessible, not standards-compliant and badly named. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 09:46, 30 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]
delete, yet another center pull quote (see {{centered pull quote}}). Frietjes (talk) 17:13, 1 July 2013 (UTC)[reply]

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Template:Canada Squad 2007 FIFA U-20 World Cup

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The result of the discussion was delete. --BDD (talk) 20:55, 11 July 2013 (UTC)[reply]

This is a youth competition only so this navbox isn't necessary. Banhtrung1 (talk) 02:07, 30 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Template:Canada Squad 2007 FIFA U-20 World Cup (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)

Euro U-21's navboxes are also deleted because they're also youth competitions.

Template:Finland Squad 2009 Euro U-21 (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)

Template:Germany Squad 2009 Euro U-21 (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)

Template:Spain squad 2009 UEFA European Under-21 Football Championship (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)

Template:Italy squad 2009 UEFA European Under-21 Football Championship (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)

Template:Belarus U-21 Squad Euro 2009 (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)

Template:Sweden Squad 2009 Euro U-21 (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)

Template:Serbia squad 2007 UEFA European Under-21 Football Championship (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)

Template:Israel Squad 2007 Euro U-21 (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)

Template:Serbia squad 2009 UEFA European Under-21 Football Championship (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)

Template:Netherlands squad 2007 UEFA European Under-21 Football Championship (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)

Template:Portugal Squad 2007 Euro U-21 (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)

Template:Belgium Squad 2007 Euro U-21 (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)

Template:Italy Squad 2007 Euro U-21 (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)

Template:England squad 2007 UEFA European Under-21 Football Championship (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)

Template:Czech Republic U-21 Squad Euro 2007 (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)

Template:England squad 2009 UEFA European Under-21 Football Championship (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)

Template:Spain squad 2011 UEFA European Under-21 Football Championship (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)

Template:Belarus squad 2011 UEFA European Under-21 Football Championship (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)

Template:Switzerland squad 2011 UEFA European Under-21 Football Championship (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)

Template:Iceland squad 2011 UEFA European Under-21 Football Championship (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)

Template:Denmark squad 2011 UEFA European Under-21 Football Championship (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)

Template:Ukraine squad 2011 UEFA European Under-21 Football Championship (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)

Template:England squad 2011 UEFA European Under-21 Football Championship (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)

Template:Czech Republic squad 2011 UEFA European Under-21 Football Championship (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)

Template:Germany squad 2013 UEFA European Under-21 Football Championship (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)

Template:Netherlands squad 2013 UEFA European Under-21 Football Championship (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)

Template:Russia squad 2013 UEFA European Under-21 Football Championship (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)

Template:England squad 2013 UEFA European Under-21 Football Championship (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)

Template:Norway squad 2013 UEFA European Under-21 Football Championship (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)

Template:Israel squad 2013 UEFA European Under-21 Football Championship (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)

Although I created them so I have recognized that they must be deleted.

All Euro U21 editions' navboxes also be deleted. Banhtrung1 (talk) 02:17, 30 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Delete: 2013 UEFA European Under-21 Football Championship squads is sufficient. Sawol (talk) 03:43, 1 July 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in WikiProject Football's list of association football-related deletions. Giant Snowman 13:07, 2 July 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Delete all - there is plenty of strong consensus recently, such as this and this, that youth squad templates are not notable. GiantSnowman 13:11, 2 July 2013 (UTC)[reply]
- Well, we also have these one recent discussions, where it were no consensus and another ongoing discussion, which doesn't seem like a very strong consensus either way. Mentoz86 (talk) 01:44, 3 July 2013 (UTC)[reply]
  - The two 'no consensus' discussions were closed as that because the nominator bundled far too many templates together, and included a number of senior tournaments - as you fully well know. As the closing admin said, "The discussion was clouded by the diffuse collection of nominated templates. There may be consensus for deleting most of the youth templates, per related discussions." Recent discussions that have focussed solely on youth templates have ended in a 'deletion' consensus. Giant Snowman 10:41, 4 July 2013 (UTC)[reply]
delete, navbox creep. we don't need to navigate by youth squad membership. an article is enough here. Frietjes (talk) 15:23, 2 July 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Keep - This mess started in February, when one of these navigation boxes was deleted because it failed WP:NAVBOX 2-4, which some deletionists used as a reason to delete all navboxes for youth tournaments. The first three or four discussions (as GS linked above) went on without much resistance, I guess there aren't many that see the need for navboxes for under-17 tournaments and such. In this discussion we are discussing under-21 tournaments, the highest level of youth football where the players are up to 23 years of age when the tournament is played, and most of them are regulars in the senior squads of European top clubs. I can understand why people want to delete the 2013 England squad, they did nothing extraordinary and was eliminated in the group stage, but if you compare to the 2013 Norwegian squad it was the third time a Norwegian team won a medal in an international tournament, and the first Norwegian team in 13 years to qualify for a championship. The 2011 Iceland squad was also pretty extraordinary, the first time ever(?) an Icelandic team is in an international tournament. So I believe we should examine the articles in the templates, and check if it passes the criteria listed in WP:NAVBOX or not (if the articles don't mention the championship, why should we have a template that mentions it). But deleting all is not appropiate. Mentoz86 (talk) 02:02, 3 July 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Keep - I've watched some of these tournaments on ESPN 3 Live, this was broadcast and watched by millions of viewers worldwide, why shouldn't they be notable? Subzzee (talk) 06:52, 4 July 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Delete all Consensus is that youth templates should be deleted. Youth internationals do not meet our notability criteria, and templates like these only serve to create the impression that articles should be created for them. Number 5 7 10:40, 4 July 2013 (UTC)[reply]

- So you are saying that we should delete all the squad-templates for Conference teams aswell? I believe it is better to remove the red-link when you find a link to a non-notable footballer, then deleting a template that provides useful navigation between related articles. Mentoz86 (talk) 18:54, 4 July 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Delete - Youth internationals do not confer notability upon individuals, nor should they confer notability on navboxes used to navigate between those individuals. – Pee Jay 23:17, 4 July 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Comment: I said that in the last discussion, they maybe be deleted and have no notability, but the information should be added to the individual page of every player. If not, it's very difficult to see in which tournaments a player appearead in younger age. Some early bloomers are very talented in this youth tournaments but disappear as age progresses, without this templates, we can't correctely understand a player career. Wikipedia shouldn't have everything, but also shouldn't exclude helpful information because it doesns't follow a template guideline. Is there any simpler way to have this information without a template? I have my doubts.--Threeohsix (talk) 18:19, 5 July 2013 (UTC)[reply]

"[PLAYER] represented [COUNTRY] at [TOURNAMENT]", backed with a reliable source, in the prose is enough. Giant Snowman 21:34, 7 July 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Sounds like a good alternative. Will it happen?--Threeohsix (talk) 20:29, 8 July 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Delete all per many previous precedents. These templates are little more than clutter. Reso lute 21:06, 7 July 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Delete all - They are youth tournaments. 113.23.3.108 (talk) 05:17, 8 July 2013 (UTC) — 113.23.3.108 (talk • contribs) has made few or no other edits outside this topic. [reply]
Comment - I've removed Template:Spain squad 2013 UEFA European Under-21 Football Championship and Template:Italy squad 2013 UEFA European Under-21 Football Championship from this list, as the nominator failed to tag them for deletion. Mentoz86 (talk) 11:25, 9 July 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Comment - most of these templates was discussed in a TfD on 2011 October 20, and I've notified the participants from that discussion about this discussion. Mentoz86 (talk) 12:08, 9 July 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Comment - they should never have been nominated in the first place. I originally wanted them to be kept but as so many have been deleted, I'm past caring. TheBigJagielka (talk) 12:31, 9 July 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Keep - As per precedent. 120.151.88.10 (talk) 04:11, 11 July 2013 (UTC)[reply]
- what precedent? if you want precedent, see here and here. Frietjes (talk) 18:14, 11 July 2013 (UTC)[reply]

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