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Looby loo

Vorziblix, could I please ask you to add a mention and a source for this phrase to the Hokey Cokey article? As the situation stands it is rather pointless to have a disambiguation page with a link to an article which does not mention the term at all. Triptothecottage (talk) 04:46, 30 July 2017 (UTC)

Looby Loo

Hi you have modified the above article saying "There are indeed plenty of sources that mention the Looby Loo as a variant of the Hokey Pokey; cf. Metheny 1968, Movement and Meaning, or run a simple Google Books search for both of them". As per WP:BURDEN the onus of unsourced information is on the person adding the information and it is not acceptable to say find the proof yourself. I will be reverting back to the redirect and please do not recreate the DAB page unless you modify the page Hokey Cokey with a source showing that Looby Loo is indeed an alternative name. This is not mentioned in the article so as per WP:DABRELATED this should not be an entry in the DAB page. Domdeparis (talk) 09:25, 31 July 2017 (UTC)

Source on Adelphopoiesis

Hello! While working through the NPOV tag backlog, I encountered a comment of yours citing a Serbian poem and expressing concerns about that article. Unfortunately as I don't read Serbian it wasn't clear to me what you were saying. Could you possibly elaborate and/or provide a reference to where you got that poem from/further explanation of its significance, to facilitate improving the article? Regards, -- LWG ^talk 00:01, 1 October 2017 (UTC)

Hello, and sure! The poem is a folk poem, part of an epic cycle passed down via oral tradition and ultimately published by Vuk Karadžić in Narodne srpske pjesme, 1824. This specific poem is titled Musić Stefan, and concerns the Musić noble family. Translated, the part I commented on runs roughly thus:

When he was at the raised house’s doors,
He happened on Stefan’s wife,
She embraced him, then also kissed him:
»Brother by God (=adelphos), Vaistina the servant!
By the Most High God and by Saint John!
Until now you’ve been a faithful servant to me;
as you are my blood-brother by God (=adelphos),
don’t wake my lord up,
for I’ve wretchedly dreamed an evil dream...

The discrepancy with the article is that the article says that adelphopoiesis was only done between members of the same sex, whereas in this old poem a woman (Stefan’s wife) calls a man (Vaistina the servant) her adelphos! Now, this is a primary source, and a literary one at that, so directly citing it is out of the question, but there must surely be scholarly sources discussing this: did the South Slavic tradition differ from the Byzantine one, or was adelphopoiesis possible between men and women in general? Are there non-disputed scholarly sources saying that it was only done between people of the same sex? Unfortunately, I am not an expert in Orthodox Church history, and I wouldn’t know where to begin looking for the answer. I posted on the talk page in the idle hope that someone more knowledgeable than me could help resolve the discrepancy. Vorziblix (talk) 01:38, 1 October 2017 (UTC)

Thanks for the clarification! I have copied this info over to the article talk page. -- LWG ^talk 21:18, 13 October 2017 (UTC)

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Thanks for changing it , some idiot decided to write stupid names down Jithinsaju (talk) 21:17, 23 October 2017 (UTC)

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Old East Slavic

Hello. When looking at the article I found the IMHO odd claim that Ukrainian split off first from OES, with Russian later splitting from Belarusian in the 18th century, which is the direct opposite to what all sources I have seen say (and also the direct opposite to what other articles here say), namely that when OES split the Eastern branch became the Russian language and the western branch became the Ruthenian language, which in turn, a few centuries later, split into Ukrainian, Rusyn and Belarusian. Did you by mistake swap places between Ukrainian and Russian in the text you added? - Tom | Thomas.W ^talk 14:53, 30 September 2019 (UTC)

@Thomas.W: The relevant part of the source is page 185, where Lunt summarizes the chronological differentiation of Slavic dialects in a table. As far as East Slavic goes, for the year 1200 he gives ‘Rusian’ (i.e. OES), for 1500 ‘R/BR ~ Ukr’, and for 1700 ‘R ~ BR ~ Ukr’, where ‘~’ indicates differentiation. I don’t think I interpreted this wrongly, but I agree that it doesn’t seem in line with most available sources. Maybe Lunt made an error in the original text? Vorziblix (talk) 16:16, 30 September 2019 (UTC)

I don't have access to that book, but the OES language was split when the by then already fragmented realm of Kievan Rus' collapsed after the Mongolian invasion in the 13th century, and split into a northeastern part that became the Grand Duchy of Moscow (the direct ancestor of Russia, with the language there becoming Russian), and a southwestern part that became part of the Grand Duchy of Lithuania and later came under Polish influence in the Polish-Lithuanian Commonwealth (a part that geographically covered what later became Belarus and most of today's Ukraine, with the laguage there first becoming the Ruthenian language, and later splitting into the Belarusian, Rusyn and Ukrainian languages), so Ukrainian couldn't possibly have split off first. Which is further supported by the fact that the Belarusian and Ukrainian languages, even after they had become separate languages, were commonly known as "Ruthenian" well into the 20th century... - Tom | Thomas.W ^talk 17:08, 30 September 2019 (UTC)

@Thomas.W: As far as I understand it the situation was a bit more complicated than that; on the level of colloquial speech Old East Slavic didn’t directly split apart into Russian and Ruthenian but existed as a dialect continuum stretching from the southwest to the northeast. Russian and Ruthenian then coalesced as literary/written languages formed on the basis of some of these dialects but spanning an area wider than any individual spoken dialect; cf. the map at File:Rus-1389-lg.png for an illustration. While the situation was certainly as you described as far as the written languages go, I think that Lunt may be talking about particular dialectal isoglosses in colloquial spoken language as characteristic of ‘Ukrainian’, ‘Belarusian’, etc. rather than looking at the developments of the literary languages. However, this is just a guess on my part, and it could equally well just be an error in the cited text. I’m not familiar enough with the historical phonology of East Slavic dialects to be able to judge. Vorziblix (talk) 22:38, 1 October 2019 (UTC)

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Hello! I found your name by looking through edits made by user:TheBiggestMicrosoftFan100. You reverted edits to Scientific transliteration of Cyrillic with a negative comment suggesting these were completely unreliable. I was looking at Ukrainian Ye which for a short time was moved to "Reversed E (Cyrillic)", and inscrutable claimed alternative name, which I am going to remove. (How can a "rounded forward E" be a "reversed square E"???) I wonder if you could confirm this, and possible suggest you might look through this user's other edits, most of which seem to be related to cyrillic, and many already reverted.

Can I ask another question about Cyrillic? (I'm basically a Russian learner, and utterly not an expert) For example, in Russian cursive, it is claimed that "Russian Italics" are based on cursive. Is there really such a thing as "Russian italic", given that "italic" explicitly refers to the Latin alphabet? In practice, I suppose that html <i> tags get interpreted as meaning "cursive", but in practice in WP they produce sloped (non-cursive) Cyrillic. I have tried to argue that this is meaningless, because I can't imagine that sloped-non-cursive is ever used, but I don't really know. Grateful for any feedback. Imaginatorium (talk) 02:52, 28 April 2022 (UTC)

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