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Mattdaviesfsic (talk) 04:55, 6 January 2023 (UTC)Gumelnița–Kodžadermen-Karanovo VI complex
editI don't know what you did but it seems to have messed something up. Now if you click on 'Gumelnița–Kodžadermen-Karanovo VI complex' in google (or other search engine) it takes you to a redirect page, whereas previously it went straight to the actual page. Ario1234 (talk) 14:55, 12 January 2023 (UTC)
- I haven't. That's going to get updated by itself quickly. I moved the page because Romanian uses a set of diacritics different from the ones you moved the article to earlier. This is a very recurrent issue in Wikipedia. Super Ψ Dro 15:35, 12 January 2023 (UTC)
- Ok, thanks. Ario1234 (talk) 19:54, 12 January 2023 (UTC)
January 2023
editEdit for Ukraine invasion template has 3-4 editors in agreement for adding. You appear to be reverting an edit made by 3-4 editors in agreement. See Talk page at 2022 invasion of Ukraine. ErnestKrause (talk) 23:55, 15 January 2023 (UTC)
- ErnestKrause, can you tell me the section where they agreed to that change? Super Ψ Dro 23:58, 15 January 2023 (UTC)
- I've just responded to your edit on the Talk page there. I'm supporting the statements by Michael and Slatersteven on that Talk page. ErnestKrause (talk) 00:01, 16 January 2023 (UTC)
- What comments? Super Ψ Dro 00:04, 16 January 2023 (UTC)
- I've just responded to your edit on the Talk page there. I'm supporting the statements by Michael and Slatersteven on that Talk page. ErnestKrause (talk) 00:01, 16 January 2023 (UTC)
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Transylvanianism
editI see you identify yourself like Romanian nationalist, but this is encyclopedia and nobody cares about your personal opinion, but sources. Transylvanianism is for sure part of “Movements of regionalism, separatism and stateless nationalism in Europe”. And for the future don’t revert, take part in discussion Joaziela (talk) 14:25, 17 January 2023 (UTC)
- I don't see why would you bring up my ideologies and I sure do not care about what you have to say about them. If you had actually taken a minute to research on the topic you'd have seen that the topic has nothing to do with political regionalism and that this issue has been already discussed in Wikipedia. If you want the sources I brought up, go search for them. I don't have any reason to spend a single second with this ever again. I will also notice the last user who tried pushing this unsourced narrative got blocked. If you revert me again, I will make sure the administrators take notice of you. Super Ψ Dro 14:31, 17 January 2023 (UTC)
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Precious anniversary
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Frasherots
editYou should know the distinction between frasherots and moscopoles(these too in epirus). Epirus is an area that encompasses both Albania and Greece. While Frasherots are only on Përmet District. Not to be confused with other aromanians. RoyalHeritageAlb (talk) 14:11, 29 January 2023 (UTC)
- RoyalHeritageAlb, per this article (read page 5), Farsherots also live in Divjaka and Elbasan, which are not in Epirus and not in Përmet District. Super Ψ Dro 18:14, 29 January 2023 (UTC)
Well that depends the viewpoint how we see the borders of historical epirus. But i saw that you added mostly so its okay from me i guess. I think that divjaka aromanians are myzeqar aromanians tho — Preceding unsigned comment added by RoyalHeritageAlb (talk • contribs) 21:59, 29 January 2023 (UTC)
Notice of Arbitration Enforcement noticeboard discussion
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Category:History of foreign relations of Romania has been nominated for merging
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Cemal Kütahya
editHi there I've made a start on Cemal Kütahya. Moondragon21 (talk) 23:04, 15 February 2023 (UTC)
- Moondragon21 great! Thank you. Super Ψ Dro 13:03, 16 February 2023 (UTC)
Reversion on Russian military presence in Transnistria
editHi, I saw that you reverted my sources on this article. Is Financial Times and the Carnegie Foundation examples of Russian propaganda? These are legitimate news sources stating legitimate facts as far as I can tell. Kyiv has publicly claimed that it can take over Transnistria if it wants to - do you have a source from a different news publication that contradicts this? Knightoften (talk) 21:20, 24 February 2023 (UTC)
- Knightoften, the reason of my revert was that the prose made it seem like Ukraine was threatening Transnistria or something. You combined a September 2022 source (and btw I can't find the "civilians in Transnistria see provocations coming from Ukraine" part) with one from February 2023 from this recent wave of discussion of Ukraine supposedly planning something in Transnistria. And such claims originate from Russian propaganda. You're welcome to add information, but following a complete and neutral approach. Super Ψ Dro 21:30, 24 February 2023 (UTC)
- Super Dromaeosaurus, There are two articles for the two parts of the added sentence. You can find the quote here; it's in the Financial Times article - "Concerns are rising that the region might be dragged into the war in neighbouring Ukraine...inside Transnistria some believe Kyiv is to blame. "Unfortunately, there are provocations coming from the Ukrainian side,” said a 35-year-old female resident of Bender, a few miles west of Tiraspol, too worried about the situation to give her name. “We are peaceful people, we don’t want to see 1992 happening again,” she added, referring to fighting in Bender three decades ago, when the Soviet Union was breaking apart and loyalists to Moscow faced off against Moldovan nationalists wanting more autonomy."
- As I can tell this is a legitimate interview and article from last year (May 2022), and completely neutral.
- The second source (Carnegie Endowment) states: "Moscow runs the risk of losing its outpost on the Dniester River altogether...Taking Transnistria would be a clear win for Kyiv. For a start, it could restock its arsenal with weapons from Cobasna. In addition, it would be a resounding victory over Russia. Losing its outpost on the Dniester River would be far more shocking and painful for Moscow than its recent retreat from the Kharkiv region."
- These are quotes from the articles, I'm not changing or modifying them in any way. If the information is from Wikipedia:Reliable source, then we're free to use it. Knightoften (talk) 21:47, 24 February 2023 (UTC)
- I see. I am not opposed to a reinstation of this information but the prose should be changed, and ideally extra sources explaining the topic more in depth should be added too. Super Ψ Dro 21:55, 24 February 2023 (UTC)
- These are quotes from the articles, I'm not changing or modifying them in any way. If the information is from Wikipedia:Reliable source, then we're free to use it. Knightoften (talk) 21:47, 24 February 2023 (UTC)
International Legion of Territorial Defence of Ukraine
editCome to Talk:International Legion of Territorial Defense of Ukraine to clarify the problem Uwdwadafsainainawinfi (talk) 11:57, 11 March 2023 (UTC)
Samarina
editHi. I like very much your article about the "Samarina republic". I have added an excerpt from my weblog related to this aromanian tentative of independence. If interested, please read https://researchomnia.blogpot.com/2023/01/the-aromanians-of-greece.html (You have to add the "s" to the word "blogpot" in order to read it, because of the block from wikipedia against the blogs). I am an italian who writes and researches info about all the neolatin communities in the Balkans. Sincerely. BD 73.125.22.23 (talk) 21:55, 11 March 2023 (UTC)
- Hello. Thank you a lot for your interest, I am always happy to know there are more people interested in the field of the Aromanians. I'd like to incite you to create an account to edit Wikipedia more often, I highly appreciate help in this field.
- I'd like to state however that Wikipedia has stricter policies and requirements than blogs, and the direct copy-and-paste of information, such as in the form of quotes, is not desired. I've adapted the quote you added to direct information, and kept only the one talking about the 1918 Republic of the Pindus (since you added it in the part talking about it). Websites are also less preferred than books and academic journals. I've kept the source because vlahoi.net is a popular Greek-speaking resource for the Aromanians, if not the most, but in articles ranked as high quality in Wikipedia they would ideally not be cited. These websites anyway take this info from more scholarly sources, that would need to be done is to find those sources and cite them directly.
- Editing Wikipedia is hard and has many rules, hopefully my changes do not annoy you. I again thank you for your help and interest in this area!
- As for your blog, I read that article and the info is pretty accurate, I congratulate you. I notice some excerpts cited from Thede Kahl, a high-authority author in this matter. Still I as a reader would have valued that you included the websites and articles you got this information from. This is only some suggestion from my part. Super Ψ Dro 23:35, 11 March 2023 (UTC)
- Thanks for your answer. I don't know if it is right to add additional sentences, like those from G. Motta. Please -if interested in the full version- read of G. Motta "THE FIGHT FOR BALKAN LATINITY. THE AROMANIANS UNTIL WORLD WAR I. în „MEDITERRANEAN JOURNAL OF SOCIAL SCIENCES,” VOL. 2(3), SEPTEMBER, 2011, ROME" ([1]). Motta wrote that " Italy was the natural benchmark of the Vlahs and her prestige deriving from the victory of the war increased her power and attraction towards the Vlahs, who kept on invoking Italian protection for the safeguard of their Latin culture. At Delvino, on 28th December 1918 and 10th January 1919, a special Assembly was convoked. The meeting defined a precise political project: the autonomy of Pindus and Zagori united with Albania and under the protection of Italy and pointed out a strategy to avoid any other undesired solution.....The end of the war and the postwar diplomacy could not condition the life of Balkan Aromanians, nor Italy could. The Vlah question, anyway, was managed both by Romanian and Italian diplomacy to consolidate their positions and their interests in the Balkan regions. Vlahs were reminded in all the documents presented by Romania to the peace talks and became the subject of a special policy of colonization started by Bucharest in the Twenties. Italian intervention, on the contrary, arrived once again during the second war, when a short-lived Aromanian State was created in Pindus region. After many centuries of isolation, only war could rejoin the Aromenians to the homeland of latinity." You decide about....and I salute you with my best greetings. BD — Preceding unsigned comment added by 73.125.22.23 (talk) 16:32, 12 March 2023 (UTC)
- Much of this info is already present or would not belong to the 1917 republic article but to other contexts. Note that to add information all you'd need to do is to paraphrase the information included in the journals so that it is not an exact copy. It is also necessary to integrate the info into the part of the article it belongs to. Super Ψ Dro 17:27, 12 March 2023 (UTC)
- Thanks for your answer. I don't know if it is right to add additional sentences, like those from G. Motta. Please -if interested in the full version- read of G. Motta "THE FIGHT FOR BALKAN LATINITY. THE AROMANIANS UNTIL WORLD WAR I. în „MEDITERRANEAN JOURNAL OF SOCIAL SCIENCES,” VOL. 2(3), SEPTEMBER, 2011, ROME" ([1]). Motta wrote that " Italy was the natural benchmark of the Vlahs and her prestige deriving from the victory of the war increased her power and attraction towards the Vlahs, who kept on invoking Italian protection for the safeguard of their Latin culture. At Delvino, on 28th December 1918 and 10th January 1919, a special Assembly was convoked. The meeting defined a precise political project: the autonomy of Pindus and Zagori united with Albania and under the protection of Italy and pointed out a strategy to avoid any other undesired solution.....The end of the war and the postwar diplomacy could not condition the life of Balkan Aromanians, nor Italy could. The Vlah question, anyway, was managed both by Romanian and Italian diplomacy to consolidate their positions and their interests in the Balkan regions. Vlahs were reminded in all the documents presented by Romania to the peace talks and became the subject of a special policy of colonization started by Bucharest in the Twenties. Italian intervention, on the contrary, arrived once again during the second war, when a short-lived Aromanian State was created in Pindus region. After many centuries of isolation, only war could rejoin the Aromenians to the homeland of latinity." You decide about....and I salute you with my best greetings. BD — Preceding unsigned comment added by 73.125.22.23 (talk) 16:32, 12 March 2023 (UTC)
Arvanitovlachoi Page lets create!
editHello Mr/Mrs/Ms @Super Dromaeosaurus!
I see that you thanked me for my edit in Vlachogianni and I thank you also for adding the word Farsherot Aromanians (arvanitovlachoi)!
Why don't we create a page/s for Farsherot Aromanians or Megleno Aromanians etc.?
I would like to denote the Aromanian Settlements in Greece and also would like to add Ottoman State & Military Archival information to these articles. I remember once that you added the name of Elassona in Aromanian. An admin has deleted it sadly. It looks as to me that some admins are collaboratively preventing the information about Aromanians in Greece.
Kind regards,
Utku Utku Öziz (talk) 09:22, 15 March 2023 (UTC)
- Hello. Academic information on the Aromanians is limited. I am not sure there is enough information and studies to cite to write a different page for every Aromanian subgroup. Though there surely is enough information for making an article about the Aromanian subgroups in general and it is one of my projects in mind that I will do in the future. So, one day they will have their own subsection in an article dedicated to them and other Aromanian subgroups. Super Ψ Dro 14:09, 15 March 2023 (UTC)
Deleted vote Moldovan Language
editHello! You have deleted my vote on the talk page of Moldova with the comment "are you kidding". Why ? I would like some explanations, and if I did anything wrong I would like to know how to fix it.
Georgios Basiklios (talk) 21:43, 19 March 2023 (UTC)
- The discussion is closed. It is stated that
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Super Ψ Dro 21:55, 19 March 2023 (UTC)
About the Romanians page on wikipedia
editHello there, I was the one that wrote and quoted those sentences. I was the one that wrote the initial references and added the extra ones because they also have the pages where the idea or quote is from. It's a really bad idea to delete those because they are more exact and from more historians.The Alexiad by Anna Comnena, English translation: Elisabeth Dawes, London, 1928 is just the translation but the books by the Romanian historians explain the context of what I wrote on the wikipedia page. Just because it's an English translation and you have a bias doesn't mean you should dismiss Romanian historians that talk about those passages from The Alexiad. Please restore the quotes. Thank you in advance. Ninhursag3 (talk) 05:55, 6 April 2023 (UTC)
- Please format them adequately. See how other sources are cited. You can't just add the surname and some pages. You need to put the title, the link, etc.. Also, please be careful with random spaces. I had to clean up every time you edited the page. Super Ψ Dro 09:15, 6 April 2023 (UTC)
- I'm new to editing wikipedia pages, sorry. The information I have I translated it from here: https://historia.ro/sectiune/general/bizantinii-despre-romani-sunt-soldati-viteji-583565.html
- References are at the bottom where it says "Note". I think some of the books might not have a pdf or link online...The references I used are number 16, 17, 18 from the "Note". Ninhursag3 (talk) 09:47, 6 April 2023 (UTC)
- Also 19 from "Note". Ninhursag3 (talk) 09:48, 6 April 2023 (UTC)
- It is not necessary to have a link to the full work. A Google Books link, even if not accessible, suffices. The point is that the reader can go somewhere to verify the information if they want to. If the source is not open to the public, they may still request access to a university if they really want to read the original source themselves for example.
- No worries, sorry for the hostility. Most newcomers don't usually know how to engage in proper discussion, unlike you, and can get hard to deal with. Super Ψ Dro 09:56, 6 April 2023 (UTC)
- Thank you, I try not to be thorn in your side. Cooperation is the best thing. I will try to find the google books link or some similar links. Can you please help me with finding them if that's not too bothersome to you?
- I found: E. Stănescu, Les „Vlahoi“ de Kinnamos et Choniatès et la présence militaire byzantine au nord du Danube sous les Comnènes, în Revue des Études Sud-Est Européennes , IX, 1971, 3, p. 588-592
- http://opac.regesta-imperii.de/lang_en/anzeige.php?pk=337176
- Another link for The Alexiad by Anna Comnena. Edited and translated by Elizabeth A. Dawes. London: Routledge, Kegan, Paul, 1928: https://sourcebooks.fordham.edu/basis/AnnaComnena-Alexiad.asp
- For the Romanian sources I can't find it online, only by buying the physical book I guess. Ninhursag3 (talk) 11:50, 6 April 2023 (UTC)
- This map you uploaded [2] is copyrighted. It is going to be deleted from Commons. You need to find one with a free license, which might not exist. Most images in the Internet are copyrighted and cannot be uploaded.
- Also, the proper way of formatting sources is using these templates, depending on the context: Template:Cite journal, Template:Cite book, Template:Cite news or if no other one fits, Template:Cite web. You have to fill in the parameters shown there. You don't need to use them all though some like |url= and |title= are mandatory. Raw citations are either removed or converted to these templates.
- Yes, the first link is nice. For the second work, use this [3]. Generally everything is at worldcat.org, I assume it's an universal digital library. By the way, you would ideally also cite the exact page for books and academic journals if known. This is not mandatory and I haven't done it 100% of the time, but it is the highest-quality practice. So add them if you know them. Also, when a citation is repeated, you don't cite it two times with the exact text, you name use <ref name=" x name "></ref> the first time and <ref name=" x name " /> the second.
- And finally. Be careful with what you say in Wikipedia. Accusing editors of bias based on their nationality [4] is near crossing the line. In private we might believe whatever we want. It is not unexpected that disagreement may arise between Hungarians and Romanians anyway. It's been that way for centuries... But pointing the nationality of editors during these disagreements as an argument is not well-regarded.
- Feel free to ask me any doubt that may arise for you, though I would recommend reading some guidelines, rules and conventions. Or you can learn the hard practical way as I did, for which I'd reccomend just copying how things are done in the best articles you see. Super Ψ Dro 16:42, 6 April 2023 (UTC)
- Also 19 from "Note". Ninhursag3 (talk) 09:48, 6 April 2023 (UTC)
Support for Tatars in Romania
editHello! I did see that you have connection with Romania. In Translatewiki.net is a discussion that I opened for add the language variant Crimean Tatar (Romania) of the Crimean Tatar language. When you like, you can write there some informations about the Tatars in Romania for support and source. Many regards Zolgoyo (talk) 11:47, 7 April 2023 (UTC)
- With all respect I don't think there should be one. It's just a dialect after all. I imagine Crimean Tatar Wikipedia is already pretty short. To also split up the language and make projects for each dialect seems counterproductive. Are you sure there are other Romanian Tatars that will agree with your view on the dialect and work on this project rather than on the Crimean Tatar one? Super Ψ Dro 12:19, 7 April 2023 (UTC)
- There is also Crimean Tatar Wikipedian Visem in the same Idea. Our idea is a variant, like Chinese (Hong Kong) in Chinese Wikipedia. See also in Phabricator T326864 and T332922. I as a native speaker have actually many knowledge about the language and we in Dobruja and Turkey have different dialect than those one in Crimea and also some different letters in the alphabet. The standard language is based on Crimean variant, which has Russian loan words and more Oghuz influence. We have actually not Russian words, we use Turkish and Romanian instead and we speak more Kipchak. There is a book published in Romania about the alphabet; ALFABE. Constanta: Editura Imperium. 2015. p. 78. ISBN 978-606-93788-8-5.
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ignored (help) There is also the UDTTMR organization, you can find them in Facebook or YouTube. Zolgoyo (talk) 14:50, 7 April 2023 (UTC)- The solution to that can be just using several scripts and writing forms for the language in Crimean Tatar Wikipedia. See for example Aromanian or Serbian Wikipedia. Super Ψ Dro 16:07, 7 April 2023 (UTC)
- Yes, this is the idea, to put a alphabet converter in Crimea Tatar Wikipedia. And translate in Translatwiki.net with the dialect. This means the pages will be available in the alphabet from Romania and the translations from Translatewiki.net in the dialect. This is not a idea to start a completely new project, just to support the alphabet used in Romania in Wikipedia and translate with the dialect in Translatewiki.net. Zolgoyo (talk) 16:56, 7 April 2023 (UTC)
- I see. Then it makes sense. Super Ψ Dro 18:37, 7 April 2023 (UTC)
- Yes, this is the idea, to put a alphabet converter in Crimea Tatar Wikipedia. And translate in Translatwiki.net with the dialect. This means the pages will be available in the alphabet from Romania and the translations from Translatewiki.net in the dialect. This is not a idea to start a completely new project, just to support the alphabet used in Romania in Wikipedia and translate with the dialect in Translatewiki.net. Zolgoyo (talk) 16:56, 7 April 2023 (UTC)
- The solution to that can be just using several scripts and writing forms for the language in Crimean Tatar Wikipedia. See for example Aromanian or Serbian Wikipedia. Super Ψ Dro 16:07, 7 April 2023 (UTC)
- There is also Crimean Tatar Wikipedian Visem in the same Idea. Our idea is a variant, like Chinese (Hong Kong) in Chinese Wikipedia. See also in Phabricator T326864 and T332922. I as a native speaker have actually many knowledge about the language and we in Dobruja and Turkey have different dialect than those one in Crimea and also some different letters in the alphabet. The standard language is based on Crimean variant, which has Russian loan words and more Oghuz influence. We have actually not Russian words, we use Turkish and Romanian instead and we speak more Kipchak. There is a book published in Romania about the alphabet; ALFABE. Constanta: Editura Imperium. 2015. p. 78. ISBN 978-606-93788-8-5.
Aromâni
editNu știam că tu ești autorul articolelor despre aromâni pe Wikipedia în limba engleză. Îți mulțumesc. Sunt bine scrise și, fără legătură cu CEE Spring, voi continua să mai traduc din ele. Donarius (talk) 18:39, 15 April 2023 (UTC)
- Mulțumesc! Your translations to other projects are greatly appreciated. Super Ψ Dro 18:47, 15 April 2023 (UTC)
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Transylvanian peoples
editHi Super!
I plan to update that article List of Transylvanians, alphabetical order (or maybe by born date), and by era to oversee them easier or maybe by occupation.
I think we should list people who are really Transylvanian, born or life there, the orange: Transylvania#/media/File:Transylvania, Banat, Crisana and Maramures.svg. Banat, Crisana, and Maramures are not Transylvania proper. For example I think Endre Ady (from Căuaș) or Ferenc Kölcsey (from https://en.wiki.x.io/wiki/Săuca) or Bela_Lugosi or Victor Babeș (from Banat) are not Transylvanians. What do you think?
OrionNimrod (talk) 09:56, 12 May 2023 (UTC)
- Hello. I don't think they should be removed. Today Hungarians, Romanians and other peoples include Banat, Crișana and Maramureș when talking about Transylvania. They're within Transylvania in its wide sense. This is the practice we take at Wikipedia. Super Ψ Dro 15:57, 12 May 2023 (UTC)
Filip Mișea
editSalut. Vezi că îmbolnăvirea lui Toma Caragiu de enterocolită pe care ai menționat-o în articolul Filip Mișea provine din cartea Toma Caragiu. Ipostaze (Editura Expert, București, 2003), nu din DIARO. Donarius (talk) 18:15, 23 May 2023 (UTC)
- Există Гоно Мегин și s-ar putea căuta ceva surse pentru dezvoltarea articolului. Nu cred că ștergerea sa ajută. Voi mai cerceta chestiunea. Donarius (talk) 10:09, 28 May 2023 (UTC)
- Sure, but don't rely too much on the Bulgarian Wikipedia articles. Someone did some hard work a few years back, I'd say most notable Aromanian biographies have a Bulgarian Wikipedia page, but there are also many articles about individuals who are of low notability, have little if any discussion in academia, and can only be referenced with lower quality web pages and blogs. The worst problem is the fact that some biographies are marked as being Aromanian or Megleno-Romanian simply because of having been born in an Aromanian or Megleno-Romanian village. An example is Georgios Papageorgiou, I couldn't find any source in any language calling him Megleno-Romanian/Vlach/Megleno-Vlach or whatever yet he is categorized as Megleno-Romanian because he was born in the village of Liumnița. Bulgarian Wikipedia is a good place to get inspiration for researching topics but not a good place to depend on and translate articles from. I researched back in the day and as I see it only these figures [5] and perhaps Dumitru Cerna are notable Megleno-Romanians.
- By the way, sorry for leaving your earlier message unreplied, I had read it and wanted to reply to it later but I forgot. I just looked into the source and you're right, I've fixed the error. Super Ψ Dro 10:53, 28 May 2023 (UTC)
- Ai dreptate. Privesc cu circumspecție articolele bulgărești și într-o anumită măsură și pe cele grecești. Le consider ca un punct de plecare și încerc să înlocuiesc sursele lor cu unele surse pertinente, iar atunci când nu găsesc nimic convenabil (nici măcar temporar) prefer să renunț la acele texte. Din păcate, materialele sunt puține și uneori cu destule neclarități. Totuși e un pas înainte în cercetarea problematicii aromânilor. Donarius (talk) 12:19, 28 May 2023 (UTC)
- Greek Wikipedia is better by virtue of not having tons of articles of low quality of people who shouldn't have them. There's some articles on Aromanian biographies that do not exist in other Wikipedias, for example the Markides Puliu brothers. Generally, those articles on Bulgarian Wikipedia that someone has translated to Greek, of which there are several cases, are notable. The problem with Greek Wikipedia is that it tends to ignore the Aromanian heritage of many individuals, simply referring to them as Greeks. Which quite coincidentally corresponds with history. Super Ψ Dro 12:41, 28 May 2023 (UTC)
- Ai dreptate. Privesc cu circumspecție articolele bulgărești și într-o anumită măsură și pe cele grecești. Le consider ca un punct de plecare și încerc să înlocuiesc sursele lor cu unele surse pertinente, iar atunci când nu găsesc nimic convenabil (nici măcar temporar) prefer să renunț la acele texte. Din păcate, materialele sunt puține și uneori cu destule neclarități. Totuși e un pas înainte în cercetarea problematicii aromânilor. Donarius (talk) 12:19, 28 May 2023 (UTC)
Hello, you are an experienced editor are you not? So why are you edit warring to restore WP:SYNTH content on White-blue-white flag? The source you are using says nothing about what you are adding, the closest thing is "hosts" which is unclear and certainly different from being "sponsored" or "based". I would suggest you either find a source that actually says what you are adding, or stop edit warring to restore the unsourced content. Thanks. TylerBurden (talk) 01:38, 30 May 2023 (UTC)
- Hello. To my understanding "hosted in Ukraine" would mean the same as "Ukraine-based". Also WP:SKYISBLUE. However this is a petty argument and I will waste no more time into it. I only wanted the link to the Belgorod Oblast incursion to be preserved but apparently this is not possible. Super Ψ Dro 10:31, 30 May 2023 (UTC)
- Maybe English is not your first language, but hosted is not the same as being based somewhere, that's where the issue is, like the policy says "do not combine material from multiple sources to reach or imply a conclusion not explicitly stated by any source". The Ukraine connections to this group should be concretely referenced, it has nothing to do with the sky being blue. TylerBurden (talk) 11:07, 30 May 2023 (UTC)
- It indeed isn't. I apologize for the misunderstanding then. Super Ψ Dro 11:41, 30 May 2023 (UTC)
- Everyone makes mistakes including me, so it's not a big deal. I don't disagree with linking to the raid, I was just having a look at the reference which does mention it so if I'm able to come up with a decent way to word it following the source I'll try to add one. Maybe there are other references better covering the connection of the raid and balloon. TylerBurden (talk) 12:21, 30 May 2023 (UTC)
- It indeed isn't. I apologize for the misunderstanding then. Super Ψ Dro 11:41, 30 May 2023 (UTC)
- Maybe English is not your first language, but hosted is not the same as being based somewhere, that's where the issue is, like the policy says "do not combine material from multiple sources to reach or imply a conclusion not explicitly stated by any source". The Ukraine connections to this group should be concretely referenced, it has nothing to do with the sky being blue. TylerBurden (talk) 11:07, 30 May 2023 (UTC)
Bakhmut overcitation
editJust wanted to let you know that I am also, and always have been, against overcitation. But in the case of Bakhmut specifically I have overcited a bit the sources regarding the city's capture only temporarily due to the fact there are many non-neutral pro-Ukrainian editors who continue denying this (even though pro-Ukrainian sources are now confirming it as well). After eventually this reality becomes accepted by that part of the editor community we can cut down on the number of citations. EkoGraf (talk) 22:43, 2 June 2023 (UTC)
About article creation
editHi, I would like to create a article about the Tatar language in Romania (similar articles like: Romanian language in Serbia, Russian language in Latvia, English language in Puerto Rico etc.), so when you don't think is needed, than let make a discussion in discussion page. Zolgoyo (talk) 13:01, 4 June 2023 (UTC)
- I've tried to explain to you that the topic is not notable and that its contents can and should simply be covered in another more general article. Go ahead, I will nominate it for deletion afterwards and we will let other people decide, again. Super Ψ Dro 13:05, 4 June 2023 (UTC)
- Zolgoyo, that is a far better article. It was one thing to try to pass a "Romanian Tatar language" and it is another to make an article covering the use of an existing language in a country. I will not take any actions against the article. Congratulations for the well-written article, sorry for this annoying process. It irritates me when other users meddle into my editing and I do not wish to do the same to others but it is necessary to respect the policies of the website and so far how you titled and wrote the article it looked like it was implying the existence of a new language. I would only ask you not to add it into articles such as the list of Turkic languages because again, it is not a language. Not even a dialect, it is Crimean Tatar used in Romania. Articles you cited above such as "Romanian language in Serbia" are not treated as dialects (the equivalents in this case would be "Banat Romanian dialect" and "Oltenian dialect"). Super Ψ Dro 19:58, 4 June 2023 (UTC)
Nomination for deletion of Template:Campaignbox Hungarian–Romanian War
editTemplate:Campaignbox Hungarian–Romanian War has been nominated for deletion. You are invited to comment on the discussion at the entry on the Templates for discussion page. Gonnym (talk) 11:58, 6 June 2023 (UTC)
Nicolae Velo
edithttps://en.wiki.x.io/wiki/File:Nicolae_Velo.png Nu e Nicolae Velo, ci Thanas Hangeara. Vezi https://dinitrandu.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/09/40972920-Farsarotu-Nr34-2010.pdf, p. 12. Donarius (talk) 15:11, 7 June 2023 (UTC)
- You're right. What a stupid error. Super Ψ Dro 17:22, 7 June 2023 (UTC)
Talk:Kakhovka_Dam
editwhy you delete on Talk:Kakhovka_Dam instead of give a reply?
Pareques
editGood morning from sunny Scotland.
I have reverted some of your edits.
- in species lists under a genus article it is normal to have the common names in parentheses and to have the name have an initial capital letter.
- An author’s name in parentheses means that it is a change from the original binomial.
- the type species of a genus is fixed at the name used by the author of the genus, in this case it was Grammistes acuminatus that Gill named as the type species of his new genus, Pareques.
Thank you for your edits, Quetzal1964 (talk) 08:58, 17 June 2023 (UTC)
- Hello. Thank you for the improvements you gave the article. About the second point you're right, it was a mistake from my part. I consider the first and third personal preferences as I've never seen such a consistency or common practice and I've edited taxonomic articles for years. For the first point as I've mentioned previously I think it looks better than having a succession of parentheses and names that are capitalized without a real grammatical reason. For the third I simply have not seen this used in high-quality articles and I think it's just confusing for a reader, specially one without much taxonomical knowledge. Super Ψ Dro 09:05, 17 June 2023 (UTC)
- From Template:Taxobox/doc "For animal entries, i.e. names under the International Code of Zoological Nomenclature (ICZN), the type species should be the original binomial name of the type species, but linked to its current article, and the authority should be plain (no parentheses)." I have also edited taxonomic articles for 12+ years now and the common name as I set them out are the norm, in my experience. Quetzal1964 (talk) 09:26, 17 June 2023 (UTC)
- Very well, I suggest we leave it as it is as a middle ground in between the both of us. Have a happy editing. Super Ψ Dro 10:12, 17 June 2023 (UTC)
- Okay, but one other thing, the author names and dates should be in small text in the species list. Quetzal1964 (talk) 10:45, 17 June 2023 (UTC)
- Sorry, you misunderstood. The small text is for a list of species and is not used for the authors in the taxon and type species fields. The Genus list template automatically makes the author names small too. Quetzal1964 (talk) 18:22, 17 June 2023 (UTC)
- I reverted myself. Hopefully that should be all. Super Ψ Dro 19:17, 17 June 2023 (UTC)
- Sorry, you misunderstood. The small text is for a list of species and is not used for the authors in the taxon and type species fields. The Genus list template automatically makes the author names small too. Quetzal1964 (talk) 18:22, 17 June 2023 (UTC)
- Okay, but one other thing, the author names and dates should be in small text in the species list. Quetzal1964 (talk) 10:45, 17 June 2023 (UTC)
- Very well, I suggest we leave it as it is as a middle ground in between the both of us. Have a happy editing. Super Ψ Dro 10:12, 17 June 2023 (UTC)
- From Template:Taxobox/doc "For animal entries, i.e. names under the International Code of Zoological Nomenclature (ICZN), the type species should be the original binomial name of the type species, but linked to its current article, and the authority should be plain (no parentheses)." I have also edited taxonomic articles for 12+ years now and the common name as I set them out are the norm, in my experience. Quetzal1964 (talk) 09:26, 17 June 2023 (UTC)
Tatar in Dobruja
editHi, in one of the References that you add to "Taner Murat" has also information about the Tatar language (Kazan Tatar) spoken by the Dobrujan Tatars. When you read correctly, you can also see that sometimes are the terms "Crimean", "Dobrujan" or "Nogai" used, but in other cases not. Zolgoyo (talk) 19:49, 19 June 2023 (UTC)
- You mean I referred to some Tatar languages/variants as Crimean Tatar when the source did not say they were? My apologies if so. Super Ψ Dro 19:54, 19 June 2023 (UTC)
Request for your opinion on renaming the Romani people page to Roma (people
editHello there, sorry for bothering you. We talked before a few months ago when I was new to wikipedia. There is an issue I raised here: Talk:Romani people#Request for changing the title from Romani people to Roma people. Most of Europe and the world uses Roma, not Romani. Romani is the feminine adjective form.
My argument: "The most used formal plural form in most countries is Roma, not Romani. Here is the word Roma used in formal contexts: European Roma Rights Centre, Decade of Roma Inclusion, Contact Point for Roma and Sinti Issues, Roma Special School.
At the first World Roma Congress in 1971, usage of the word "Roma" (rather than variants of "Gypsy") was also accepted by a majority of attendees. The "Roma" name is the most formal use that the World Roma Congress decided back in 1971 by the Roma leaders themselves.
Most ethnicities/nationalities have a noun, and not an adjective, example: Spaniards, Italians, Bulgarians, Romanians, Hungarians etc
Instead of the noun, plural form Roma, the adjective Romani is used, which makes people confuse them with Romanians, it even says at the top "Not to be confused with Romani people." Since there is confusion something should be done about it, thus the use of Roma (people) as the title of the article."
This is not a move to insult the Roma, Roma as a noun is grammatically correct as well as more frequently used and unlike Gypsy, it's formal.
Regarding the possible confusion with the city of Rome: Romanian is an ethnicity, Rome (Roma in Italian) is just a city, it's not a country or an ethnicity. An entire ethnicity should take priority over one single city. The confusion is greater between two ethnicities: Romanian and Romani than an ethnicity and a city: Roma (people) and Rome (city).
Please tell me if you support my argument or if you oppose it. I think you already know that either oppose or support is written in bold. I hope you will support me, but ultimately it's your decision.
Hope you will take a little bit of your time for this issue, thank you very much. Ninhursag3 (talk) 21:52, 22 June 2023 (UTC)
- Ah, almost forgot Roma (people) just like Dom (caste) with parenthesis that specifies. Ninhursag3 (talk) 21:56, 22 June 2023 (UTC)
- Hello. Glad to see you've improved but you still have some problems I see, which is okay for someone relatively new. You should've formulated your requested move based on WP:COMMONNAME. This is the single most important policy for deciding article titles, and arguments such as "Roma will avoid confusion with Romania" are not defensible through Wikipedia policy and also are subjective. I usually use Google Scholar for determining whether a name is more common than another in Wikipedia. To my surprise "Roma people" is more common than "Romani people" (18.800 vs 6.860 results). Still I imagine this issue is more nuanced so I'd recommend taking a look at past discussions, maybe there is a demonstration that Romani people is in fact more common because otherwise I don't know why would it retain the current name. I've seen some arguments in the discussion such as that some Romani subgroups do not identify as Roma but I believe these are secondary issues. If Roma was the most common way of referring to them then that would be the title appropriate for the article. Note that Google Scholar is not the only plausible option. I also use Google Books, Google News or even regular Google for determining how common a name is. The point is that you do your own research and determine whether the title you wish to propose is the most common one. It doesn't have to be through my same procedures.
- Still even though I'd rather have the article use Roma I will not participate in your requested move as it has become a very long and complex discussion even though it does not have many votes (I see you've already been told about WP:BLUDGEONING at your talk page) and also because you did not formulate your RM properly (based on WP:COMMONNAME as it should have been). You may still request another move when you're more experienced and you have a better understanding of the functioning of Wikipedia but I'd recommend waiting at least a year. Another RM after a recent one, specially from the same person, would probably be quickly rejected. Super Ψ Dro 22:26, 22 June 2023 (UTC)
- I will take this advice to heart, thank you. However, if you read the thread, here: Talk:Romani people#Requested move 21 June 2023 and here: Talk:Romani people#Request for changing the title from Romani people to Roma people. Most of Europe and the world uses Roma, not Romani. Romani is the feminine adjective form.
- I first talk about the grammar and the formality of Roma and only bring up the confusion with Romanians wayyy later on, when I have run out of other arguments >.< Ninhursag3 (talk) 19:47, 23 June 2023 (UTC)
- Hello @Super Dromaeosaurus, unfortunately this time the majority of the votes were opposed to it but quite a good number supported me. I think I'll try again in a few months. The voting should have lasted 1 week but it lasted 11 days, in the last few days the only comments were "oppose" ones so maybe they waited to close the voting after they had the majority? Also, if it's not too much of a bother, do you happen to know other wikipedia users that would support your opinion as well as mine with the Roma article title change? Thank you in advance ^^ Ninhursag3 (talk) 15:04, 2 July 2023 (UTC)
- Hello. No, I do not know any editors focused in Romani topics. I think it might be better to wait a longer while. Three to four months won't do. Maybe one or two years. Mainly so that you get experience. It does sound like a lot but processes and projects in Wikipedia take time. Super Ψ Dro 15:32, 2 July 2023 (UTC)
- Thank you for the advice, two years seems excessive though. Ninhursag3 (talk) 16:27, 2 July 2023 (UTC)
- Hello. No, I do not know any editors focused in Romani topics. I think it might be better to wait a longer while. Three to four months won't do. Maybe one or two years. Mainly so that you get experience. It does sound like a lot but processes and projects in Wikipedia take time. Super Ψ Dro 15:32, 2 July 2023 (UTC)
- Hello@Ninhursag3, as you can see:
- In Germany and other countrys in europe, The Word Roma is used, this romani name is american-english, started by this Ian hanckok and his followers, also how they will romani spelled out? Roumany ???, hhh in american-english style :).
- But @Ninhursag3, I will give you a good friendy advice, listen to me:
- You can't beat this lobby here. Your answers will be interpreted as bad behavior and your work on pages as disruptive changes, they don't accept sources, even this are good sources, they don't like. They will block you, sooner or later, or thought you as a suckpuppet from blocked users, like Tagaworshah did, you see what he have done against your, he thought you are a suckpuppet of me. The same thing happened to me, that's exactly how it behaved.
My best advice to you, let it be, it's useless. You're just getting worked up for nothing, it is best to leave the english wikipedia. Tagaworshah and Netherzone and many others, etc they all will attack you and thouht you as a suckpuppet, believe me, they will also delete what I write to you here. Nafteta (talk) 11:32, 23 June 2023 (UTC)
- Ok, calm down, thank you for warning me, but I'm innocent and never had or will have sockpuppets. I can demonstrate my innocence. I recommend for you to please stop personal attacks towards other wikipedia users and stop with the sockpuppets. Ninhursag3 (talk) 19:44, 23 June 2023 (UTC)
Speedy deletion nomination of Novofedorivka (disambiguation)
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Request for your opinion on the "non-violence" of Horthy's Hungary
editHello. I'm sorry for bothering you in this way, but considering your edit history and expertise I would really appreciate your input in here: https://en.wiki.x.io/wiki/Talk:First_Vienna_Award#%22Non-violent%22 Thank you. Azure94 (talk) 16:41, 13 July 2023 (UTC)
Pryiutne or Pryyutne
editHello @Super Dromaeosaurus, I hope you're doing well 🙂 I have a quick but sort-of-important question to ask you. I see you recently changed the spelling of my interlanguage link to the village of Pryiutne to Pryyutne in my article about the rural-settlement of Levadne. While this is super minor stuff, I was thinking about creating this article soon, and wanted to see why you thought this variation of spelling was incorrect. For context, the reason I chose the "I" spelling over the "Y" spelling was because that is how the village is titled on the interactive WikidataCoord map I include on all the village pages I create. Again, minor, but I wanted to get this spelling correct just in case I do make this page, as I have done with other frontline villages recently. Cheers! Johnson524 (Talk!) 02:30, 17 July 2023 (UTC)
- Hello, hope you're doing well too. I put the Ukrainian name on Google Translate and copypasted the transliteration. It generally is reliable for this kind of stuff from what I've seen. However I've now manually transilterated Приютне following transilteration rules of 2010, used in Wikipedia, and ю becomes "iu", so "Pryiutne" is accurate. In my defense though, the ISW uses "Pryyutne" as well [6].
- I've changed all instances of "Pryyutne" in Wikipedia to "Pryiutne". Sorry for the inconveniences. Super Dromaeosaurus (talk) 07:20, 17 July 2023 (UTC)
- No inconvenience at all! Thank you for going one step further and doing not just the manual translation for this spelling, but changing the spelling on other Wikipedia pages as well. Your work is appreciated, cheers! Johnson524 (Talk!) 17:25, 17 July 2023 (UTC)
- Yeah, having to fix deviations from standard romanization whenever people add new content is a perennial issue across the topic area.
- I'm thinking of adding an edit notice to List of aircraft losses during the Russo-Ukrainian War (which is one of the worst hotspots for downright strange transliterations) as an experiment. RadioactiveBoulevardier (talk) 03:05, 19 July 2023 (UTC)
- Well I don't think it's the editors' fault entirely considering a lot of sources also use wrong transliterations. They're relatively easy to fix so it might not be necessary in my opinion. Or maybe the edit notice could incite editors to check Ukrainian transliteration rules. I had never manually transliterated from Ukrainian before Pryiutne and it was easy. Wikipedia uses the 2010 transliteration rules. "Attention editors: please use appropriate Ukrainian transliteration rules for any place names you may add" or something more elaborate and formal. Super Dromaeosaurus (talk) 08:17, 19 July 2023 (UTC)
- I think that sounds like a good idea personally. If you want more feedback, maybe post something on the Ukrainian WikiProject talk page (if that is active, idk) but otherwise, I think your formal wording sounds great! Sorry for the later reply, cheers! Johnson524 (Talk!) 06:08, 20 July 2023 (UTC)
- Well I don't think it's the editors' fault entirely considering a lot of sources also use wrong transliterations. They're relatively easy to fix so it might not be necessary in my opinion. Or maybe the edit notice could incite editors to check Ukrainian transliteration rules. I had never manually transliterated from Ukrainian before Pryiutne and it was easy. Wikipedia uses the 2010 transliteration rules. "Attention editors: please use appropriate Ukrainian transliteration rules for any place names you may add" or something more elaborate and formal. Super Dromaeosaurus (talk) 08:17, 19 July 2023 (UTC)
Frustrated?
editSo am I, with these obscure rules. If you like, or have time, read my comments on on USS Houston (SSN 713) and reverts as edited by NmWTfs85lXusaybq. Bd64kcmo (talk) 22:06, 18 July 2023 (UTC)
- Bd64kcmo, I have zero intention of getting involved into that dispute, however I will tell you that in Wikipedia articles we can't cite other Wikipedia articles for reasons which I believe become increasingly self-evident the more you think about it.
- I recommend either looking for newspapers, books in Google Books or academic journals in Google Scholar. If what you want to add can't be found in any of those it's probably not worth being added. Super Dromaeosaurus (talk) 22:43, 18 July 2023 (UTC)
- Thanks for your insight. I had no intention of soliciting anyone's involvement in my dispute. I don't do that much contributing anyway, so the self-evident part I may have missed. Actually I did, since I never heard of the rule before, and have been adding stuff here and there with little contest. I guess perhaps the process of submitting articles has become corrupted, and I did not realize it. Do you believe directly citing the references in the cited Wikipedia article, instead of the just citing the article itself, would get me over the hump here? I tell you though, the control characters (</ref> etc.), are making me see double. I don't see the screen as well as I used to. Bd64kcmo (talk) 01:17, 20 July 2023 (UTC)
- Yeah, that's actually the rule here. We cite the sources themselves, not Wikipedia articles with sources. If you are able to find a reliable source (the ones I told you, for example random blogs like coolmilitaryships.net, made-up example, would not be valid) that explicitly says what you want to add (you can't take conclusions from info in sources even if they're obvious, we must say exclusively the info on the source, though not copy-pasting the language, that must be paraphrased a bit to avoid copyright issues), you'll be fine. If for now citing is complicated for you, simply do it like this: <ref>["put url here" "put title here"]</ref>. Low-quality citing though allowed. Though there's also a citation bot that does the full citation for you [7]. I don't know how it works though since I've always preferred citing manually. I kind of hate that bot to be honest but it'll be useful for you. Super Dromaeosaurus (talk) 07:51, 20 July 2023 (UTC)
- Thanks for your insight. I had no intention of soliciting anyone's involvement in my dispute. I don't do that much contributing anyway, so the self-evident part I may have missed. Actually I did, since I never heard of the rule before, and have been adding stuff here and there with little contest. I guess perhaps the process of submitting articles has become corrupted, and I did not realize it. Do you believe directly citing the references in the cited Wikipedia article, instead of the just citing the article itself, would get me over the hump here? I tell you though, the control characters (</ref> etc.), are making me see double. I don't see the screen as well as I used to. Bd64kcmo (talk) 01:17, 20 July 2023 (UTC)
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Why?
editWhat was the problem with this edit? Parham wiki (talk) 10:35, 21 July 2023 (UTC)
- It is obvious that Hungary and Viktor Orbán were not involved in the invasion of Ukraine in any way. Do not add Hungary as a belligerant again and Orbán as a commander. It's ridiculous. Super Dromaeosaurus (talk) 10:37, 21 July 2023 (UTC)
Source
editHi
do you have source about Ukraine's Transnistria? Panam2014 (talk) 11:01, 29 July 2023 (UTC)
- Not sure I understand your question. You can see the original article before it was merged [8]. It included parts of Ukraine too. The definition that article adopted was that Transnistria is the area between the Dniester and the Southern Bug rivers. This is analogous to the 1941-1944 Transnistria Governorate of Romania. Today, Romanian scholars use "Transnistria" to refer to Romanians in Odesa Oblast outside Budjak (there's like five Romanian-majority villages in this area, close to the separatist republic). This definition of Transnistria is anyway commonly used in a Romanian context. Ukrainians or Russians don't generally employ this term, or have a name for the region between the two rivers. Super Dromaeosaurus (talk) 11:27, 29 July 2023 (UTC)
- Do you have a source from Romanian scholars? Panam2014 (talk) 18:30, 29 July 2023 (UTC)
- Why? [9] This source talks about them: "Nistru la Vest, Bugul la Est, limita de Nord coincide unei linii imaginare ce leagă cele două localităţi Movilău şi Smerinca, iar spre Sud acest teritoriu se întinde până la malul Mării Negre." Transl: "the Dniester to the West, the [Southern] Bug to the East, the northern limit coincides with an imaginary line connecting the two localities of Movilău and Smerinca, and to the south this territory stretches to the shore of the Black Sea." This is the interpretation the article adopted before being merged as you can see in its history. Super Dromaeosaurus (talk) 19:38, 29 July 2023 (UTC)
- To add the info to Transnistria's article. Also, what is the perimeter of Podolia? Panam2014 (talk) 13:46, 30 July 2023 (UTC)
- Not sure. Transnistria as a geographic region is more used in Romanian contexts while Podolia in Ukrainian ones. So they overlap. Ukrainians rarely use Transnistria in the Romanian definition, and Romanians rarely use Podolia (in its only definition). Ukrainians use Podolia for the north and Yedisan for the south I believe. They definitively use Podolia but Yedisan might be a fringe term. Super Dromaeosaurus (talk) 14:00, 30 July 2023 (UTC)
- So Yedisan = Ukrainian Transnistria (for Romanians). Panam2014 (talk) 19:39, 30 July 2023 (UTC)
- Only the south, with Odesa. Podolia is the north of the Romanian definition of Transnistria. You can compare these maps [10] (Transnistria) [11] (Podolia) [12] (Yedisan). As you can see the latter two have lands outside of Transnistria. They're not equivalents. Super Dromaeosaurus (talk) 22:05, 30 July 2023 (UTC)
- So Yedisan = Ukrainian Transnistria (for Romanians). Panam2014 (talk) 19:39, 30 July 2023 (UTC)
- Not sure. Transnistria as a geographic region is more used in Romanian contexts while Podolia in Ukrainian ones. So they overlap. Ukrainians rarely use Transnistria in the Romanian definition, and Romanians rarely use Podolia (in its only definition). Ukrainians use Podolia for the north and Yedisan for the south I believe. They definitively use Podolia but Yedisan might be a fringe term. Super Dromaeosaurus (talk) 14:00, 30 July 2023 (UTC)
- To add the info to Transnistria's article. Also, what is the perimeter of Podolia? Panam2014 (talk) 13:46, 30 July 2023 (UTC)
- Why? [9] This source talks about them: "Nistru la Vest, Bugul la Est, limita de Nord coincide unei linii imaginare ce leagă cele două localităţi Movilău şi Smerinca, iar spre Sud acest teritoriu se întinde până la malul Mării Negre." Transl: "the Dniester to the West, the [Southern] Bug to the East, the northern limit coincides with an imaginary line connecting the two localities of Movilău and Smerinca, and to the south this territory stretches to the shore of the Black Sea." This is the interpretation the article adopted before being merged as you can see in its history. Super Dromaeosaurus (talk) 19:38, 29 July 2023 (UTC)
- Do you have a source from Romanian scholars? Panam2014 (talk) 18:30, 29 July 2023 (UTC)
Help with images
editHello @Super Dromaeosaurus.
I'm sorry for the disturbance but I need help for some images. I uploaded them from a Romanian website but the problem is I do not know the license / copyright of them. Can you find their copyright status ?
1) https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Stelian_Ar%C4%83u,_composer_of_Aromanian_music.jpg
2) https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Stelian_Arau-Pilisterlu,_Festival-Romania-Day_(Broadway).jpg
Thank you. Bolt Escargot (talk) 23:26, 7 August 2023 (UTC)
- Hello Bolt Escargot, long time no see. Most websites have a strict copyright policy, they will just not want you to use their images, so you will not be able to. Those who do allow it are an exception, and they will generally note that their copyright status is "Creative Commons" if I'm not mistaken. You might also see "CC-BY-SA-4.0", "Creative Commons 4.0" or something like that; 3.0 is also common, I have not seen 2.0 and 1.0 a lot.
- There are a couple of exceptions to this, per fair use you'd be able to use any copyrighted image as long as it is used on one single article, where the image must be of upmost importance. For example the logo of an organization or a photo of a person in their biography article. The ideal scneario would be taking a picture yourself and uploading it to Commons. There you'd have full control over the copyright. Except if it's things like photos of films or logos or something like that. But for people it'd be valid.
- To be fair I am not an expert in these matters so I'd advise you to do your own quick research at WP:COPYRIGHT and at Commons:Copyright rules. As for the images, unfortunately I think those are copyrighted because no license is specified in the source, so they will be deleted. It is hard to get these kinds of images related to the Aromanians. Super Dromaeosaurus (talk) 11:09, 8 August 2023 (UTC)
- Thank you so much for the info. Bolt Escargot (talk) 12:22, 8 August 2023 (UTC)
Please help me separate the Maria, Mirabela in Tranzistoria 1989 movie into a separate wikipedia page from the Maria, Mirabela 1981 movie
editHello there again, Dromaeosaurus, please help me separate the Maria, Mirabela in Tranzistoria 1989 movie into a separate wikipedia page from the Maria, Mirabela 1981 movie page: Maria, Mirabela. The two movies share the same wikipedia page.
Can you do it? Or can you teach me how to do it?
Thank you in advance ^^ Ninhursag3 (talk) 10:09, 8 August 2023 (UTC)
- Hello. Cinema is not under my interest, but I can tell you how to split the page. You could add the Template:Split section to the section about the sequel so that someone in the future splits it or you could just translate the Romanian article on it [13]. The Russian and Ukrainian articles on the movie are inferior in quality so chose the Romanian one. It should be enough to start a stub with a few sentences cited to two sources at the very least. Your article won't have any problems and won't be tagged if so. Good luck! Super Dromaeosaurus (talk) 11:19, 8 August 2023 (UTC)
- Can any wikipedia editor translate a wikipedia page? A few months ago I read that only some editors on wikipedia can translate pages into another language. Ninhursag3 (talk) 15:06, 8 August 2023 (UTC)
- Yes, anyone can, but if it's a sloppy translation (this not meaning 100% perfect), it will get tagged and perhaps the writer notified. Super Dromaeosaurus (talk) 16:19, 8 August 2023 (UTC)
- Can any wikipedia editor translate a wikipedia page? A few months ago I read that only some editors on wikipedia can translate pages into another language. Ninhursag3 (talk) 15:06, 8 August 2023 (UTC)
edit summary at Saba
editAt [14] you wrote:
I really dont care about edit warring at some disambiguation page just allow me to use the proper Romanian spelling
Thank you for doing that. It would be great if in the future you point out this kind of a reason for your edits in the edit summary field up front. For example, if you had included anything about "proper Romanian spelling" in either [15] or [16], it would not have been such a confusing and contentious series of edits.
Likewise, if you restrict the scope of your edits to the specific change that you want to do, and then do any other arbitrary changes (such as those that ran afoul the guidelines in this case) separately, that will make it that much more likely that any reverts will be restricted to what is wrong, as opposed to there being collateral damage.
Also, if you're at a loss as to why your edits are being reverted, please feel free to reach out to the person reverting through a Talk page and start a conversation. --Joy (talk) 18:31, 15 August 2023 (UTC)
- Hi Joy, I'm aware of the recommended procedures that you mentioned, it's just that my edits there were part of a series of edits that I was doing at the moment related to Romanian-inhabited villages in Ukraine in a short period of time. I didn't want to spend much time individually on each of my edits, thus that blunt edit summary I left and my lack of edit summaries before. I also thought I would not be reverted each time I made an edit with a different wording at the disambiguation page. But anyway it's a minor dispute and it's already solved, thanks for putting the time to leave this message and wish you the best. Super Dromaeosaurus (talk) 19:57, 15 August 2023 (UTC)
Notice of noticeboard discussion
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Language
editHi there!
I have a reference now that it needs to be "Dobrujan Tatar language". The book "The Sounds of Tatar Spoken in Romania: The Golden Khwarezmian Language of the Nine Noble Nations" from Taner Murat (The Sounds of Tatar Spoken in Romania: The Golden Khwarezmian Language of the Nine Noble Nations (Academia.edu)). Zolgoyo (talk) 20:52, 9 September 2023 (UTC)
- Hello, please start a formal Wikipedia:Requested move. A discussion is opened for 7 days and editors give their opinion. At the end a user who did not participate in the discussion reads it and decides an outcome. These are the instructions [17]. Super Dromaeosaurus (talk) 22:25, 9 September 2023 (UTC)
AfD underway for Battle of Romny
editHey Super Dro,
As you recommended at the campaignbox, I’ve nominated it for deletion.
Also, I just saw that it was created by Baba Mica, whom you’re probably familiar with in relation to similar article creations.
Cheers, RadioactiveBoulevardier (talk) 18:27, 10 September 2023 (UTC)
- Let's see what comes out of it. Super Dromaeosaurus (talk) 20:09, 10 September 2023 (UTC)
Romanian-Ottoman battle
editHello!
I found a boring long term edit war in this article (I also have the same with the possible same user in Hungarian-Ottoman battles Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents#Long term edit war on Ottoman battle articles by possible sockpuppets, 5 reverts within 2 hours), I think the solution would be to provide all reliable sources from all avaliable historians. Perhaps could you show the Romanian sources and present what they say in the subject? I see Romanian authors are cited in the article so you can find them easier.
Talk:Night Attack at Târgoviște#Edit war OrionNimrod (talk) 16:45, 14 September 2023 (UTC)
- Hi OrionNimrod, thanks for your efforts. I have a fairly small appetite for Wikipedia conflicts currently so I will not engage in my fullest. Super Dromaeosaurus (talk) 21:49, 14 September 2023 (UTC)
Sources
editHello!
Do you have Romanian readable (link) history sources about the battle in the Iron Gate Gorge (Romanian: Poarta de Fier?) (between Zeicani and Baucar in Transylvania, Hunyad county) by Hunyadi and Şehabeddin in 1442? https://ro.wiki.x.io/wiki/Pasul_Poarta_de_Fier_a_Transilvaniei
OrionNimrod (talk) 10:47, 21 September 2023 (UTC)
- Hello, I have access to this article [18], it's long and looks pretty complete, I could email it to you if you want. Super Dromaeosaurus (talk) 16:52, 21 September 2023 (UTC)
- Thank you! It seems detailed and useful. OrionNimrod (talk) 16:13, 22 September 2023 (UTC)
Vlach cheese
editVlachs were in Medieval ages the main producers of cheese in all Balkans. They lived and live in all Balkan countries. Their name in connected to "Feta" cheese. An explanation is in the talk page of "Cheese". The edit proposed by me is very important showing the concret contribution of Vlachs to the logistics of Constantinople in a Post Roman Europe. The name of Vlachs as cheese producers may be seen in "Vlašić cheese" (article in English) Mestter. Mestter (talk) 13:49, 25 September 2023 (UTC)
- I reverted you because the info was WP:UNDUE and because it was lazily integrated into the article's structure. The burden is on you, not on others to clean up after your edits. And you don't have to add the info you find to every single article to which it is slightly related to. I only kept the info on the article Vlachs because it is the only article in which it was appropriate to add this info to and because it followed the article's structure. Super Dromaeosaurus (talk) 17:45, 25 September 2023 (UTC)
ş = Turkish, ș = Romanian
editIf the characters are distinguished as you insist, why does Capital (Romanian magazine) use the Turkish one in https://www.capital.ro/cine-este-emilia-morosan-fizicianul-care-a-produs-un-aliaj-de-4-ori-mai-dur-decat-titaniul.html ? That's where I copied and pasted that version of Emilia Morosan's name from. —David Eppstein (talk) 00:51, 1 October 2023 (UTC)
- This is explained at Ș#Unicode support, more extensively at Ț#Software support. It's also about the laziness of many of us. Super Dromaeosaurus (talk) 08:27, 1 October 2023 (UTC)
- Fair enough. Thanks for the clarification. —David Eppstein (talk) 08:00, 2 October 2023 (UTC)
Aromanians in the Young Turk Movement
editHi, thanks for your edits to the List of Young Turks article. I just wanted to point out that there were non-Muslims aside from Aromanians and Jews who were members, such as Greeks and Armenians.
What I'll do is put "Other non-Muslims the CUP recruited members from were Aromanians" etc etc in a separate paragraph, and we'll just add other majority non-Muslim ethnicities which weren't mentioned because they didn't have a considerable presence in the movement (i.e. Bulgarians, Serbs, etc)
What do you think? Omnibenevolence (talk) 09:50, 4 October 2023 (UTC)
- Hi Omnibenevolence, are you sure about this? To my understanding the CUP was the leading force of the Young Turk movement but not the only one. I have entered the entries of some Christians in that list and I don't see the CUP being mentioned. One could be a Young Turk without being a member of the CUP. Super Dromaeosaurus (talk) 11:15, 4 October 2023 (UTC)
- Yes, the CUP wasn't the only group within the Young Turk movement. But there were many Greek and Armenian CUP members, feel free to check some of their entries on the list for confirmation. Nearly all on the list are CUP members anyway, I just haven't mentioned that in the "occupation/s" row because it would've gotten too repetitive, so I just wrote their professions and that they're politicians. Omnibenevolence (talk) 11:23, 4 October 2023 (UTC)
- Well, sure then. Thanks for fixing the situation. Super Dromaeosaurus (talk) 14:54, 4 October 2023 (UTC)
- Yes, the CUP wasn't the only group within the Young Turk movement. But there were many Greek and Armenian CUP members, feel free to check some of their entries on the list for confirmation. Nearly all on the list are CUP members anyway, I just haven't mentioned that in the "occupation/s" row because it would've gotten too repetitive, so I just wrote their professions and that they're politicians. Omnibenevolence (talk) 11:23, 4 October 2023 (UTC)
Stop Vandalism
editYou are the only one who makes problems about Dobrujan Tatar, it's just a language, it includes Crimean Tatar and Nogai dialects, but it's the same language. The Dobrujan Tatars did came from Budjak, and there are also Tatars which do speak the same language (its also possible to see in map!!!). Glottolog and SIL are in discussion about Dobrujan Tatar, Glottolog says it can not be a dialect of Crimean Tatar, but its not announced now. And, because you don't support this Idea, for now I will just leave it as "dialects". So, when you don't stop this vandalism, I will report you. Zolgoyo (talk) 09:25, 8 October 2023 (UTC)
- There was a formal requested move, and calling it a language was rejected, you can start another, but stop making undiscussed moves. Dobrujan Tatars are not present in Budjak anymore, everywhere you added this you did with sentences like "Probably the Dobrujan Tatars of Moldova and Ukraine...", unsourced and WP:OR. The map is unsourced too, and just factually wrong. You can report me anytime you want. Super Dromaeosaurus (talk) 09:30, 8 October 2023 (UTC)
- Dobrujan Tatar is not Kipchak-Cuman! Dobrujan Tatar is Kipchak-Nogai, there are also sources, the books of Taner Murat. Also there are Tatar communities in Budjak (Odessa and Gagauzia), you can search it. They are the same Tatars like in Dobruja. You do not search about the language, so I can't help either. Zolgoyo (talk) 09:54, 8 October 2023 (UTC)
- You are the one who needs to bring sources to verify the information you're adding. Please bring sources stating that Dobrujan Tatar is spoken in Budjak or Gagauzia. The Muslim Tatars there left for Dobruja and they were replaced by Gagauz and Bulgarian Christians as a result of Imperial Russia's policies. Super Dromaeosaurus (talk) 11:15, 8 October 2023 (UTC)
- "In the territory of modern Budjak , Odessa region of Ukraine and in the southern part of Moldova , Budjak (Danube) Tatars remained, but they were extremely few in number. The 2004 Moldavian census, however, identified a small group of Danube Tatars who practice Islam." -- Budjak Tatars/ruwiki Zolgoyo (talk) 19:18, 10 October 2023 (UTC)
- The source is the Moldovan census. Due to Moldova having been part of the Soviet Union there are some unusual ethnicities in small quantities there. Ideally we would have a secondary source analysing the situation of these Tatars rather than taking our own conclusions from census results. Because I suspect they are emigrants from Tatarstan and other regions rather than natives. Also I find it impossible to verify that there is Dobrujan Tatar speakers in Moldova from this source. Super Dromaeosaurus (talk) 20:00, 10 October 2023 (UTC)
- "In the territory of modern Budjak , Odessa region of Ukraine and in the southern part of Moldova , Budjak (Danube) Tatars remained, but they were extremely few in number. The 2004 Moldavian census, however, identified a small group of Danube Tatars who practice Islam." -- Budjak Tatars/ruwiki Zolgoyo (talk) 19:18, 10 October 2023 (UTC)
- You are the one who needs to bring sources to verify the information you're adding. Please bring sources stating that Dobrujan Tatar is spoken in Budjak or Gagauzia. The Muslim Tatars there left for Dobruja and they were replaced by Gagauz and Bulgarian Christians as a result of Imperial Russia's policies. Super Dromaeosaurus (talk) 11:15, 8 October 2023 (UTC)
- Dobrujan Tatar is not Kipchak-Cuman! Dobrujan Tatar is Kipchak-Nogai, there are also sources, the books of Taner Murat. Also there are Tatar communities in Budjak (Odessa and Gagauzia), you can search it. They are the same Tatars like in Dobruja. You do not search about the language, so I can't help either. Zolgoyo (talk) 09:54, 8 October 2023 (UTC)
Aromanians
editHi there,
I noticed that you've reverted many of my edits related to Aromanian people [19] [ [20]. I'm trying to make this family of categories less isolated, because the purpose of categories is to make navigation easier. For example, Category:Aromanians by country. It's true that Aromanians by country, doesn't match Ethic groups in FOO. But there are other categories like this in the Category:Ethnic groups by country, such as Category:Cossacks by country, Category:Romani by country. Unless you have an alternative Category:Categories by country, I think that the Category:Aromanians by country category belongs in Category:Ethnic groups by country. Mason (talk) 18:28, 8 October 2023 (UTC)
- Hi Smasongarrison, I created most of these categories so I did a search before creating them of what categories could be appropriate in their cases. There's less categories for stateless peoples, so some isolation is inevitable. Still, I hadn't noticed Category:Ethnic groups by country included other stateless peoples, this was a mistake from my case, so I apologize.
- That being said, I am opposed to this edit [21]. Category:People of Aromanian descent is mostly composed by Aromanians living in their ancestral lands. Category:Albanian people of Aromanian descent for example includes all Aromanians from Albania with biographical articles, they have lived in modern Albania for centuries and are hardly a diaspora. Aromanian diaspora defines which Aromanians are considered as living in their homeland and which outside of it in the first paragraph. It is logical that other categories at Category:European diasporas include such categories because they're all peoples with a state of their own. Super Dromaeosaurus (talk) 19:29, 8 October 2023 (UTC)
- I appreciate your opposition, but your logic/definition equally applies to all the diaspora categories. I get that it isn't a perfect fit, but in this case, I really think you're isolating the category. Take a look at Ukrainian-Jewish diaspora as an example, it contains People of Ukrainian-Jewish descent , including Russian people of Ukrainian-Jewish descent, which you could argue is in effectively the same ancestral homeland (Kieven Rus).
- Even if it isn't a perfect match, I think that you're matching it much more difficult to navigate the categories. Mason (talk) 19:42, 8 October 2023 (UTC)
- Russians have their own nation state. Somebody living in Russia with not have a "Category:X of Russian descent", provided that X also has its own nation state and is not an ethnic minority of Russia. Thus, Category:Russian people of Ukrainian-Jewish descent deals with Ukrainian Jews living in Russia or with Russian people of Ukrainian Jewish descent.
- I propose to include the Aromanian diaspora category to all descent categories of countries in which the Aromanians are not native. But the Aromanians of Greece, Albania, North Macedonia, Bulgaria, Serbia or Romania are not considered diaspora. Super Dromaeosaurus (talk) 20:07, 8 October 2023 (UTC)
- I think that's a fair compromise. Mason (talk) 20:09, 8 October 2023 (UTC)
- Will apply it tomorrow. Super Dromaeosaurus (talk) 20:54, 8 October 2023 (UTC)
- Done. Super Dromaeosaurus (talk) 13:16, 9 October 2023 (UTC)
- Thanks! Mason (talk) 23:33, 9 October 2023 (UTC)
- Done. Super Dromaeosaurus (talk) 13:16, 9 October 2023 (UTC)
- Will apply it tomorrow. Super Dromaeosaurus (talk) 20:54, 8 October 2023 (UTC)
- I think that's a fair compromise. Mason (talk) 20:09, 8 October 2023 (UTC)
Hello, Super Dromaeosaurus,
You put a speedy rename tag on this category asking that its page title be changed to Category:Dobrujan Tatar dialect. But there is an existing category at Category:Dobrujan Tatar dialects. Would this be suitable instead? Thank you. Liz Read! Talk! 00:01, 9 October 2023 (UTC)
- Hello Liz. The creator of that category is also the writer of the parent article. There, it has been agreed through a RM not to refer to Dobrujan Tatar as a language, but they made a category calling it precisely that. I nominated it then please asked them not to do that again, so they made the same category but under "dialects" now. I am not sure what should be done in this case. One of the two has to be moved anyway because the parent article uses "dialect" in singular, the plural form was rejected in the RM. I assume the original one would be favored while the other would be deleted. Super Dromaeosaurus (talk) 11:49, 9 October 2023 (UTC)
Some bubble tea for you!
editI just realised I've never showed you the appreciation I have for your contributions to Moldova-related articles. Thanks for your help! Yue🌙 22:48, 10 October 2023 (UTC) |
- Thank you a lot :) Super Dromaeosaurus (talk) 22:52, 10 October 2023 (UTC)
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Innkeepers
editWe generally do not categorize people by ethnicity unless it is defining for their profession. That is not the case for inn keeping. I do wonder though if we have enough articles on people for whom innkeepers was a defining occupation, to justify breaking it by the "country" these people were nationals of. We need to avoid categorizing people who only did an occupation a short time by it, unless despite the short term that is what they were most known for. We also need to avoid imposing modern constructs on past events. In keeping per se is on the decline about the time Wallachia and Moldavia are moving towards unification, so I do not think it would be a good cat to name with a more modern name. In the case of inn keepers they would probably be best categorized by the country their nation was in. Essentially we would categorize them by the nation of the inn they kept, not by the nation they were from. This will save us huge amount of debates as to what nationality someone was. If we do go to a wide scale, if a person operated inns in defining ways in 2 or 3 countries, they could go in the inn keeper category for each.John Pack Lambert (talk) 04:34, 10 November 2023 (UTC)
- That is a fair viewpoint, I can see its benefits. I was only making a passing suggestion anyway, I don't think too strongly about this. Super Dromaeosaurus (talk) 09:18, 10 November 2023 (UTC)
University of Bucharest
editHi! Here is the history of Dobrujan Tatar language section in University of Bucharest the Faculty of Foreign Languages and Literatures. Zolgoyo (talk) 13:56, 18 November 2023 (UTC)
- Why don't you drop this already? It is called "Section of Tatar language". The whole PDF makes zero mentions of a "Dobrujan Tatar language". It does cite the following papers though: Graiurile tătăreşti din Dobrogea, Nogaii dobrogeni şi dialectul lor, Influența limbii române asupra graiurilor tătăreşti din Dobrogea, Elemente turceşti în graiurile tătăreşti din Dobrogea. Did you really just see a random mention of a "Tatar language" related to Romania and came here to show it as proof of your view? Super Dromaeosaurus (talk) 16:26, 18 November 2023 (UTC)
- I remind you the last warning I gave you over a month ago [22]. Super Dromaeosaurus (talk) 16:27, 18 November 2023 (UTC)
- So, in Romania they do not say "Dobrujan Tatar language" they just say "Tatar language", because the Tatars in Dobruja call there language "Tatar language" and not "Dobrujan Tatar language", when they say in Romania "Tatar language" it mostly means Dobrujan Tatar. And also in the University they did work about the language, create grammar books about the language, here example, there is also just written "Tatar language" but content is Dobrujan Tatar language. Zolgoyo (talk) 20:16, 18 November 2023 (UTC)
- Nowhere does it say there that Dobrujan Tatar is a separate language. It is not proof that the article should be moved, which I assume is why you sent me this. And please provide sources that the University of Bucharest was ever the regulatory institution of the dialect of the Tatars in Dobruja. If you're right, there should be more sources talking about it. Super Dromaeosaurus (talk) 23:16, 18 November 2023 (UTC)
- So, in Romania they do not say "Dobrujan Tatar language" they just say "Tatar language", because the Tatars in Dobruja call there language "Tatar language" and not "Dobrujan Tatar language", when they say in Romania "Tatar language" it mostly means Dobrujan Tatar. And also in the University they did work about the language, create grammar books about the language, here example, there is also just written "Tatar language" but content is Dobrujan Tatar language. Zolgoyo (talk) 20:16, 18 November 2023 (UTC)
- I remind you the last warning I gave you over a month ago [22]. Super Dromaeosaurus (talk) 16:27, 18 November 2023 (UTC)
Hello, Super Dromaeosaurus!
Please, when you have a chance, check whether the topic of this article meets Wikipedia's general notability guideline. I have added more sources. Thank you in advance. --Alex091981 (talk) 17:22, 21 November 2023 (UTC)
- It's a pretty unorthodox article. I don't know what the scope of it is supposed to be. Is it Yakut nationalism? Likely most Yakuts don't want independence from Russia so the title is not neutral. The article has many issues and I'd like more people to state their opinion about it. Same for the Ingushetia one. Super Dromaeosaurus (talk) 18:32, 21 November 2023 (UTC)
- Hello, Super Dromaeosaurus! Thank you for your answer. I answer your question: yes, this is Yakut nationalism, Yakuts value their identity. The majority of the Yakut people aspire to independence. However, due to constant persecution, they cannot openly talk about it. Judging by the media, the Yakuts show that the region of the Sakha people should be autonomous and independent. In 2023, the Yakut independence committee was created. [23][24][25] (The same applies to the Ingush people) --Alex091981 (talk) 21:19, 22 November 2023 (UTC)
- I then recommend you to move both articles to "Yakut nationalism" and "Ingush nationalism". This would make their notability more apparent. Super Dromaeosaurus (talk) 21:35, 22 November 2023 (UTC)
- Hello, Super Dromaeosaurus! Thank you for your answer. I answer your question: yes, this is Yakut nationalism, Yakuts value their identity. The majority of the Yakut people aspire to independence. However, due to constant persecution, they cannot openly talk about it. Judging by the media, the Yakuts show that the region of the Sakha people should be autonomous and independent. In 2023, the Yakut independence committee was created. [23][24][25] (The same applies to the Ingush people) --Alex091981 (talk) 21:19, 22 November 2023 (UTC)
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night attack of targoviste
edithello, i see you are active in romanian related articles, can you please have a look at https://en.wiki.x.io/wiki/Night_attack_at_T%C3%A2rgovi%C8%99te and revert the edit "wallachian failure" as it's a repetition, Wallachian failure to assassinate mehmed the 2nd is already the result which it is inconclusive, there were many edit wars in this article this is why i'm seeking help. Mariusx12 (talk) 16:25, 2 December 2023 (UTC)
- also about the 15k ottoman troops of the modern source, there is nothing about it in the pdf given, please can you look into it and remove it. Mariusx12 (talk) 16:34, 2 December 2023 (UTC)
- I did it because it indeed appears to be true that those figures were not on the source and we already had other sources to use in the article anyway, but please don't resort to me often for issues in that article, conflicts there have been very energy-consuming. Super Dromaeosaurus (talk) 17:07, 2 December 2023 (UTC)
SIAs
editHi, I'm not sure if you know this by now or not, but when creating pages like Novodanylivka or Rivnopil, you shouldn't categorize them as disambiguation pages if they only list villages in one certain country; instead, you should categorize them as set index articles, and in the case of Ukrainian villages, as set index articles on populated places in Ukraine. Thank you for the work you have done to these subjects. AllTheUsernamesAreInUse (talk) 00:32, 7 December 2023 (UTC)
- Hello, I did not know this. Thank you a lot for notifying me and for taking the time of fixing my mistakes. Super Dromaeosaurus (talk) 00:57, 7 December 2023 (UTC)
Jani Faber
editChalkeus, i.e. Faber, Faber is a surname from Voskopoja, please check here: [26]. I'm going to revert your edit. ShockedSkater (talk) 22:16, 11 December 2023 (UTC)
- ShockedSkater, that only says Faber is a surname in Moscopole. It verifies nothing. You need a source specifically stating that "Jani Faber" was the Aromanian name of Ioannis Chalkeus. Otherwise it is WP:Original research. No sources in Google Scholar mention "Jani Faber" [27], in Google Books none seem related to Chalkeus [28]. If I do a regular Google search for "Jani Faber" the only result even related to Albania, Greece or the Aromanians is this one [29]. "Jani Faber" is only mentioned in a user's comment, so it cannot be used as a source, and the comment isn't even in Aromanian but in Albanian, so it'd be an Albanian name in anycase. There is no proof that this was Chalkeus' Aromanian name, please read the original research policy I linked, thank you. Super Dromaeosaurus (talk) 14:31, 12 December 2023 (UTC)
- I'm sorry, what do you think the Chalkeus (Faber) means in the source I inserted in his page? When he is clearly from Voskopoja, and Faber is an Aromanian surname from Voskopoja? Why do you state that I use "a source that does not include it", when the source clearly states "Chalceus (Faber)"? What other identification do you need? ShockedSkater (talk) 19:38, 12 December 2023 (UTC)
- I repeat that you need a source that says clearly that "Jani Faber" was the Aromanian name of Ioannis Chalkeus. You cannot extrapolate that it was his surname because an Albanian newspaper says Faber is a surname from Moscopole (not even specifically Aromanian). Wikipedia requires sources stating things explicitly, even if they may seen obvious, the original research policy I mentioned backs this. I don't even think we can interpret that "Joannes Chalceus (Faber)" means the source is saying Faber was an alternate surname of him (why would a person have two very different versions of their surname anyway?). There's not much we can do with the word "Faber" in parentheses without explanation. Also, having read through Aromanian-related papers for years already, in my opinion "Jani Faber" doesn't even look like an Aromanian name. It rather looks Albanian in my own view. Super Dromaeosaurus (talk) 21:29, 12 December 2023 (UTC)
- I'm sorry, why do you take upon yourself to comment and edit on things you know nothing about? ShockedSkater (talk) 23:15, 12 December 2023 (UTC)
- ShockedSkater, do not use my talk page again for a personal attack like that. Either discuss constructively with me or go away. Super Dromaeosaurus (talk) 09:59, 13 December 2023 (UTC)
- You say the name "Faber" - patently an Aromanian name, if you are from Korça or Voskopoja, you would know that, it's general knowledge, - looks Albanian in your view. How do Albanian names look like, in general, according to your view? Especially when Χαλκεύς is the Hellenization of Latin and Aromanian faber, meaning smith? ShockedSkater (talk) 20:25, 13 December 2023 (UTC)
- I might have been wrong about that statement so you can ignore it, it was not too relevant anyway. I don't see this discussion leading anywhere, so I am going to ask you to please provide sources stating Jani Faber was the Aromanian name of Ioannis Chalkeus or I will stop responding, if you disagree with me feel free to ask to other editors whether my actions are appropriate and backed by policy or not, you can do this at WP:HELPDESK, WP:30, etc.. Super Dromaeosaurus (talk) 21:28, 13 December 2023 (UTC)
- You say the name "Faber" - patently an Aromanian name, if you are from Korça or Voskopoja, you would know that, it's general knowledge, - looks Albanian in your view. How do Albanian names look like, in general, according to your view? Especially when Χαλκεύς is the Hellenization of Latin and Aromanian faber, meaning smith? ShockedSkater (talk) 20:25, 13 December 2023 (UTC)
- ShockedSkater, do not use my talk page again for a personal attack like that. Either discuss constructively with me or go away. Super Dromaeosaurus (talk) 09:59, 13 December 2023 (UTC)
- I'm sorry, why do you take upon yourself to comment and edit on things you know nothing about? ShockedSkater (talk) 23:15, 12 December 2023 (UTC)
- I repeat that you need a source that says clearly that "Jani Faber" was the Aromanian name of Ioannis Chalkeus. You cannot extrapolate that it was his surname because an Albanian newspaper says Faber is a surname from Moscopole (not even specifically Aromanian). Wikipedia requires sources stating things explicitly, even if they may seen obvious, the original research policy I mentioned backs this. I don't even think we can interpret that "Joannes Chalceus (Faber)" means the source is saying Faber was an alternate surname of him (why would a person have two very different versions of their surname anyway?). There's not much we can do with the word "Faber" in parentheses without explanation. Also, having read through Aromanian-related papers for years already, in my opinion "Jani Faber" doesn't even look like an Aromanian name. It rather looks Albanian in my own view. Super Dromaeosaurus (talk) 21:29, 12 December 2023 (UTC)
- I'm sorry, what do you think the Chalkeus (Faber) means in the source I inserted in his page? When he is clearly from Voskopoja, and Faber is an Aromanian surname from Voskopoja? Why do you state that I use "a source that does not include it", when the source clearly states "Chalceus (Faber)"? What other identification do you need? ShockedSkater (talk) 19:38, 12 December 2023 (UTC)
Category:Aromanian newspapers has been nominated for merging
editCategory:Aromanian newspapers has been nominated for merging. A discussion is taking place to decide whether this proposal complies with the categorization guidelines. If you would like to participate in the discussion, you are invited to add your comments at the category's entry on the categories for discussion page. Thank you. Mason (talk) 05:05, 17 December 2023 (UTC)
Please check out the name change/requested move from Petro Mohyla to Petru Movilă
editHello there Dromaeosaurus, I want to ask you for your opinion regarding my decision to change the title/request move from Petro Mohyla to Petru Movilă, here:Talk:Petro Mohyla
My arguments are: 1) Petru Movilă's father's name was Simion Movilă, not Symion Mohyla. Since the family name didn't suddenly change from Movilă to Mohyla and Petru Movilă was born with the name Petru Movilă, not Petro Mohyla. His original Romanian name got Slavicized as he became the Metropolitan of Kiev, Galicia and all Rus'. Petro Mohyla is the Slavic equivalent of his original Romanian name.
2) WP:COMMONNAME doesn't apply here: Petro Mohyla/Petru Movilă isn't that known in the English-speaking world,WP:COMMONNAME is used for the wikipedia articles written in English. Petru Movilă is mostly unknown outside of Romania, Moldova, Ukraine and Russia. Therefore you can't compare it to internationally famous people like Mahatma Gandhi (not: Mohandas Karamchand Gandhi), J. K. Rowling (not: Joanne Rowling), Bill Clinton (not: William Jefferson Clinton) etc.
You can vote to either oppose or agree with my arguments. Hope you'll read this message and vote on the issue however you see fit. Have a nice day!~ Ninhursag3 (talk) 10:08, 17 December 2023 (UTC)
- Hello, the Ukrainian name is twice as common as the Romanian one [30] [31], even if we exclude mentions to the Ukrainian university using the Ukrainian spelling of his name and even if we only look at recent results (2022-) which tend to favor alternate spellings and names. So, the current title is the appropriate one. Super Dromaeosaurus (talk) 13:22, 17 December 2023 (UTC)
- Ok, I appreciate your reply! Ninhursag3 (talk) 14:01, 17 December 2023 (UTC)
- One last thing, what about this point? I suspect the reason is that the Romanian diacritic "ă" (from Movilă) wasn't on most English typewriters so it was easier to just choose the version without diacritics. But in this digital age, diacritics don't pose a problem for the English-speaking world anymore, there are many apps and sites that can help with adding diacritics.
- It does seems that in the past the few English sources talking about him, preferred Mohyla but nowadays Movilă started to get used as well. Maybe because of the ease of the digital era, like I mentioned above. Ninhursag3 (talk) 14:10, 17 December 2023 (UTC)
- The same search without the diacritic has the exact same results [32], so it appears this is not the case in Google Scholar (I think it is in regular Google). In any case I'd expect academics to actually spell right the names of the people they are writing about. Also, most authors writing in English about him using the Romanian name seem to be Romanian, I expect them to always use the diacritic. Super Dromaeosaurus (talk) 14:30, 17 December 2023 (UTC)
- Interesting points, thank you. Ninhursag3 (talk) 17:27, 17 December 2023 (UTC)
- The same search without the diacritic has the exact same results [32], so it appears this is not the case in Google Scholar (I think it is in regular Google). In any case I'd expect academics to actually spell right the names of the people they are writing about. Also, most authors writing in English about him using the Romanian name seem to be Romanian, I expect them to always use the diacritic. Super Dromaeosaurus (talk) 14:30, 17 December 2023 (UTC)