Talk:Romani people

Poor citation on unanimous agreement at the 1st Romani Congress

The citation used is a student paper which has an unsourced quote from Ian Hancock - a real professor of Romani studies, but the quote is not available when searching for it otherwise. If anyone has access to this journal https://catalogue.georgepadmoreinstitute.org/records/JOU/1/1/26 it should have a transcript of the actual meeting. 2A01:4B00:8293:4400:7D1C:A7EC:7D0E:1905 (talk) 11:45, 14 June 2024 (UTC)

Incorrect Detail

Article is completely wrong and full of propaganda. 86.98.59.241 (talk) 21:46, 15 July 2024 (UTC)

I doubt it's completely wrong. The assertion is not useful without specifics. _signed, Willondon (talk) 22:28, 15 July 2024 (UTC)

External links

Twenty-four links and six subsections. All of the links were moved here for any possible discussion and consensus on any inclusion per policies and guidelines

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External links from article

European countries Roma links

• "European Roma Institute for Arts and Culture (ERIAC)".
• History the Roma and Sinti in Germany.
• "General introduction", History of the Roma in Austria, AT: Uni Graz, archived from the original on 7 April 2022, retrieved 28 October 2013.
• "History of the Roma in Czech Republic". CZ: Rommuz. Archived from the original on 28 October 2013.
• Deportation, EU: Romas Inti, archived from the original on 15 December 2013, retrieved 28 October 2013. History of some Roma Europeans
• Gypsies in France, 1566–2011, FYI France, archived from the original on 19 May 2011, retrieved 28 October 2010; The concentration, labor, ghetto camps that the Roma were persecuted in during World War II
• Auschwitz, archived from the original on 6 May 2012, retrieved 28 October 2013.
• "Hodonin", History: Camps, CZ: Holocaus.
• History, CZ: Lety memorial, archived from the original on 26 March 2017, retrieved 28 October 2013.
• "The situation of the Roma in the European Union" (resolution). European Parliament. 28 April 2005. Archived from the original on 26 December 2007..
• "Final report on the human rights situation of the Roma, Sinti and travellers in Europe". The European Commissioner for Human rights (Council of Europe). 15 February 2006..
• Shot in remote areas of the Thar desert in west India, Jaisalmer Ayo: Gateway of the Gypsies on YouTube captures the lives of vanishing nomadic communities who are believed to share common ancestors with the Roma people – released 2004

General information

• "RomArchive" (in English, German, and Romany). — education on the arts and civil rights movements
• "Romani Atlantic". — transcontinental perspective

International organisations

• Action Plan on Improving the Situation of Roma and Sinti within the OSCE Area.

Non-governmental organisations

• European Roma Rights Centre.
• The Gypsy Lore Society. Beginning in 1888, the Gypsy Lore Society started to publish a journal that was meant to dispel rumors about their lifestyle.

Museums and libraries

• Museum of Romani Culture (in Czech), Brno, CZ.
• Studii romani (specialized library with archive), Sofia, BG, archived from the original on 21 August 2006, retrieved 21 August 2006.
• Documentation and Cultural Centre of German Sinti and Roma, Heidelberg, DE.
• Ethnographic Museum (in Polish), Tarnów, PL.
• "Who we Were, Who we Are: Kosovo Roma Oral History Collection". March 2004. Archived from the original on 17 May 2017. Retrieved 8 May 2018. The most comprehensive collection of information on Kosovo's Roma in existence.

Internet Visual Media

• Inaugural Romani Studies Conference at UC Berkeley: YouTube
• Florian: YouTube TikTok - Romani YouTuber & TikToker whose material covers Roma culture, history, and civil rights

-- Otr500 (talk) 02:52, 9 September 2024 (UTC)

"Gypsies" listed at Redirects for discussion

The redirect Gypsies has been listed at redirects for discussion to determine whether its use and function meets the redirect guidelines. Readers of this page are welcome to comment on this redirect at Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2024 October 16 § Gypsy until a consensus is reached. Bug Ghost🦗👻 12:01, 16 October 2024 (UTC)

Racial abuse

This article is not factual. using the word gypsy in my culture is actually racist. it comes from the old language in French meaning child snatcher and was used as a term to chase people out of France which was documented as the great persecution. This is even in the movie the hunch back of notre dam. Balladonnabomber024 (talk) 10:18, 11 December 2024 (UTC)

We actually come from the north of India and were referred to as the tall people by the rest of the country and named as the best warriors.

We fought the opposing country which now today is known as Pakistan.

We agreed to go to war for the rest of the country and then when we returned we were not welcome home.

Afterwards we migrated and then Pakistan split into two different countries called Afghanistan and Pakistan.

They have been fighting ever since.

So we had no choice but to migrate.

Ever since we have been chased from country to country and persecuted.

This article takes advantage of every one in my culture whose can’t read and write and have been taken advantage of for so long that we no longer trust people.

you have no right to tell the story of my people. Balladonnabomber024 (talk) 10:25, 11 December 2024 (UTC)

The article uses the word gypsy not to insult, but to inform. Read the second paragraph in the lead. It explains that in the UK, it is not considered an ethnic slur, and that many Roma in the UK refer to themsleves with the word. It also explains that many Roma consider it a slur, including all voting attendees at the first World Romani Conference. Millions of English speakers will know the word gyspy, but many (perhaps a majority, especially in the UK) will have no idea that it may be received as insulting. Now they know. _signed, Willondon (talk) 15:34, 11 December 2024 (UTC)

"Indo Aryan"

This word is not synonymous with South Asian origin it's just a language group and India is linguistically diverse and the 3 sources cited don't mention it either. The Romani ultimately have origin from aboriginal groups in India who usually don't speak Indo European languages like "Indo Aryan" (unless they live in North India) along with other assimilated ancestries. Nowtis (talk) 17:02, 12 December 2024 (UTC)

@Remsense Nowtis (talk) 17:03, 12 December 2024 (UTC)

Again, it is mentioned throughout the sources cited that Romani belongs to the Indo-Aryan language family. Remsense ‥ 论 17:05, 12 December 2024 (UTC)

So that makes them "Indo Aryan speaking", no source states them to be ethnically Indo Aryan (which is not a thing). Indian or South Asian origin would be more appropriate. Or just Indo Aryan speaking Nowtis (talk) 17:08, 12 December 2024 (UTC)

This article states that they are of Indo-Aryan origin, notasmuch that they are "ethnically Indo-Aryan" (I agree it's not a thing). I hope I don't come off as totally ignorant when I say I don't quite see the trouble? Is your concern more that Indo-Aryan peoples is not a well founded concept? The article seems tentatively decently substantiated for what it is. Remsense ‥ 论 17:18, 12 December 2024 (UTC)

I would say that it would make more sense for the lede to read as “an Indo-Aryan ethnolinguistic group,” as opposed to, what it is now. That’s how the lede for Punjabis, Marwaris, Gujaratis, etc. if formatted and it is less confusing and in the active voice. As of now, it makes it seem like Romani people were originally of an Indo-Aryan origin but are no longer. Romani people continue to be an Indo-Aryan ethnolinguistic group. TagaworShah (talk) 19:29, 13 December 2024 (UTC)

Reiterating my lack of expertise in the linguistics or sociology of this area, that seems perfectly reasonable to me. Remsense ‥ 论 19:32, 13 December 2024 (UTC)

Great, I will go ahead and implement that change. TagaworShah (talk) 19:40, 13 December 2024 (UTC)

Romani in Rajasthan?

did any of the Roma stay behind? Is there any evidence today of their descendants in Rajasthan? 2607:FEA8:FF01:4FA6:4468:6D1B:E35B:4B3E (talk) 18:36, 15 December 2024 (UTC)