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Hi Steve
I noticed my talk page flicker, so I thought I'd give you an explanation. I initially wrote that loop for demonstration at WP:Village pump (proposals)/Archive 44#Double redirects. I've kept the loop up since that discussion is also linked from an open bugzilla request (bugzilla:17888). I'm not particularly attached to it with the VPR thread long archived, so if it's giving you a headache I can disable them, however proper exclusion-compliant bots will of course notice that the all pages of the loop use {{nobots}} and should just ignore them anyway. I'm not seeing a link from your user page to your bot, what bot framework are you using? Or is it something homebrewn?
Cheers, Amalthea 16:08, 1 July 2009 (UTC)

I'm trying to use redirect.py to fix double redirects. My bot is here, and uses pywikipedia. I would have assumed this was exclusion compliant, but since I didn't write the code, I'm not sure. If you could disable the pages for the time being, that would be great. And sorry for the frustrated post to your talk page, I was a little irritated that I couldn't bypass the page, but it was more my fault than anything. Best, Steve Crossin ^{The clock is ticking....} 20:24, 1 July 2009 (UTC)

It doesn't look like it, no. In my opinion, it shouldn't ever be used then. There have been cases where I deliberately caused a double redirect for a short while. Bots shouldn't be "fixing" them against a deliberate opt-out.
I notice that redirect.py does show you a diff before it performs the edit though, so shouldn't you notice the "{{nobots}}{{goaway}}" directly after the redirects, and can decide to skip it?
Cheers, Amalthea 10:50, 2 July 2009 (UTC)

The problem with the code is, as soon as it detects the redirect loop, it crashes. It doesn't give me an option to skip the redirect. If I could, I gladly would, but I am afraid that the program will not let me. Steve Crossin ^{The clock is ticking....} 12:31, 3 July 2009 (UTC)

Question about your bot

I am interested in getting all Season article pictures into the Image Category. Do we first have to place the {{WikiProject 24}} onto the file's discussion page to get it into the Category? I only like the statistics bot. All others are just plain magic to me, honestly. Prapsnot (talk) 05:11, 5 July 2009 (UTC)

Well, no. It's rather simple. It's a category that has to be added, but the bot can do it a lot faster, and more painlessly :). Best, Steve Crossin ^{The clock is ticking....} 05:16, 5 July 2009 (UTC)

Sorry, must edit. There indeed exists a Category:24 (TV series) images; however that is not the name that the statistics bot recognizes. Is there a way to get the images into the Category:Image-Class 24 articles so that the statistics bot may count them? Prapsnot (talk) 05:20, 5 July 2009 (UTC)

Yes, there is. Change the Wikiproject 24 template, on the image talk page, to display {{WikiProject 24|class=Image}}. That category will show up then. Best, Steve Crossin ^{The clock is ticking....} 05:26, 5 July 2009 (UTC)

I am certainly going to have to find more work for you and your bot! I noticed that the Category:Image-Class 24 articles has jumped to include 39 articles! And the the statistics bot increased it's number substantially! Wiki code usually recognizes that a file is an Image, Template, Category, or Project automatically without setting a class as with File talk:24 Season 1 Cast.jpg for example. Also, I will have to try and find out how many FA and FL articles there are that the bot isn't counting too. Prapsnot (talk) 05:41, 5 July 2009 (UTC)

With regards to FA's and FL's, the bot isn't missing any. We only have the one FL, and no FA's at the moment. I'm trying to bring 24 (TV series) up to FA status, but it's got a long way to go before it even comes close. And don't worry, my bot has plenty to do :) Steve Crossin ^{The clock is ticking....} 05:44, 5 July 2009 (UTC)

I found another problem for your bot! There are 10 articles that didn't get counted by the statistics bot because they are seemingly victims of wiki's new uppercase/lowercase sensitivity. One example is File:24 the game interrogation.jpg which has a lowercase "p" in the project name on the talk page. Can your bot find all such cases, and redo them? Like anything that has Wikiproject 24, maybe it can zap them so they show WikiProject 24? Prapsnot (talk) 05:54, 5 July 2009 (UTC)

←Indent reset, below text formatted accordingly Steve Crossin ^{The clock is ticking....} 06:30, 5 July 2009 (UTC)

New more specific request -- please ask your bot to

• find all {{Wikiproject 24|class=Project}} on talk pages and change to {{WikiProject 24|class=Project}}.
• find all {{Wikiproject 24|class=image}} and change to {{WikiProject 24|class=image}}.
• find {{Wikiproject 24|class= |importance= }} change to {{WikiProject 24|class= |importance= }}.
• and {{Wikiproject 24|class=template}} change to {{WikiProject 24|class=template}}, if it's programming allows it to do such a thing, please? Prapsnot (talk) 06:27, 5 July 2009 (UTC)

 Doing.... Steve Crossin ^{The clock is ticking....} 06:31, 5 July 2009 (UTC)

One last caveat about your bot's work. Your bot has been adding a Category:WikiProject 24 articles to talk pages. But that page should not even exist. It was created by someone in February 2009, but the correct category is Category:WikiProject 24 created in April 2008. It is not necessary to add Category:WikiProject 24 to talk pages as the statistics bot will categorize pages into their, "Stub, FA, GA, etc.", classes automatically. Also, wiki can find Category:WikiProject 24 whenever someone manually upgrades/downgrades the class. I don't know whether a redirect or deletion is warranted? Perhaps the creator of that page could shed light? Prapsnot (talk) 08:25, 5 July 2009 (UTC) <-edit-> I must edit to add, the same user created both pages! Clearly an oversight? Prapsnot (talk) 08:27, 5 July 2009 (UTC)

Well, no, it's not an oversight. That category, Category:WikiProject 24 articles, contains all the articles in the project, so it just serves as an easy link to all the articles, when I need to run a bot task. As for changing an article's class, say from Start to C class, the bot takes care of that by itself. Wikipedia works pretty well. :) Steve Crossin ^{The clock is ticking....} 12:36, 5 July 2009 (UTC)

New request - based on your last post, I now understand how great it was to have that category! Could you ask your bot to find orphans? Like, pages that are listed in a category, but their discussion page does not exist, so the WP 1.0 bot can find them? We won't bother with any particular class, for now. That statistical chart I added to Wikipedia:WikiProject 24 isn't counting some articles. Please ask your bot to?

• find pages in Category:WikiProject 24 articles, whose talkpage doesn't exist, and create the page with a generic{{WikiProject 24|class= }}
• find pages in Category:WikiProject 24, whose talkpage doesn't exist and add generic {{WikiProject 24|class= }}
• find pages in Category:24 articles by quality, if talkpage doesn't exist, create {{WikiProject 24|class= }}
• find pages in Category:24 (TV series) characters, no talkpage, create {{WikiProject 24|class= }}
• find pages in Category:24 (TV series), no talkpage, create {{WikiProject 24|class= }}
• find pages in Category:24 (TV series) characters, no talkpage, create {{WikiProject 24|class= }}
• find pages in Category:WikiProject 24 templates, no talkpage, create {{WikiProject 24|class= }}

Thanks! Prapsnot (talk) 04:04, 6 July 2009 (UTC)

I can, but later. Off to work now. Steve Crossin ^{The clock is ticking....} 04:07, 6 July 2009 (UTC)

Mediation

I think you did a fine job with the mediation, so far as it went. As I said at the time, my problem was that the structure you created helped for a while but eventually the process stalled. We started spinning our wheels and writing thousands of words of discussion without making progress towards consensus. If you can meidate again that'd be helpful.   Will Beback  talk  05:13, 5 July 2009 (UTC)

Yes, and as I expressed at RFAR, this was something that I regret, but have learned from. I'd be happy to give it another shot. What do you think the others will think? Steve Crossin ^{The clock is ticking....} 05:18, 5 July 2009 (UTC)

I think there's support for mediation. I don't know of any other objections to your mediation. I suppose a next step would be for one of the parties, like me, to make a request. Informal mediation may be better since the disputes are likely to be sprawling rather than clearly defined.   Will Beback  talk  05:25, 5 July 2009 (UTC)

Well, I have developed a more structured form of mediation, and I've thought of a better way to conduct mediation, so I'm willing to give it a shot if there are no objections. The thing I'd probably focus more on this time around would be active management of the case, as opposed to casual observation and moderation. Things need to be controlled a lot more, and I'd probably refactor off-topic comments if required. Another issue with last year's mediation was that things jumped from one issue to another, and not much really got resolved. Steve Crossin ^{The clock is ticking....} 05:29, 5 July 2009 (UTC)

Issues tend to come up and there's no way of avoiding that. But if older issues get resolved more quickly then they won't tend to pile up. Anyway, it sounds like a good approach.   Will Beback  talk  05:39, 5 July 2009 (UTC)

Well, I've proposed my offer here, I guess it's just up to the others to either accept or reject my offer. Keep me posted as to when a case is filed. Best, Steve Crossin ^{The clock is ticking....} 05:42, 5 July 2009 (UTC)

Thanks for your well thought out agenda and list of ground rules. I'm optimistic. --Zanthorp (talk) 11:32, 12 July 2009 (UTC)

Thanks Steve. Got your message, will reenter mediation --Zanthorp (talk) 07:42, 14 July 2009 (UTC)

24

I'll see what I can do to help, but right now I'm busy as heck with work. The summer is my company's busiest time of the year.

Also, you might want to keep an eye on this guy, Colton hockey11, he keeps adding the same reverted material over and over. First he cited IMDB, then a single blog comment. Nothing else, including the official cast list says Tony will be back for S8. --MiB-24 (talk) 04:10, 6 July 2009 (UTC)

Noted, however, the New York Post is pretty reliable. I spotted that editor editing a few hours ago, but because the material was cited to the NY Post, I left it. I'm sure more sources will pop up, but I agree, until there's official confirmation, it should be left out. Steve Crossin ^{The clock is ticking....} 08:48, 6 July 2009 (UTC)

The problem is it is almost like the blog post is an off hand remark, without anything to back it up. Every press release for new castings that also list returning members do not mention Carlos Bernard. Without something official, either from Fox, a producer/writer/director, or Carlos himself, it is really just speculation.

That said, two others who keep having to be reverted are Brittflick 1994 and the anonymous editor 90.199.240.248. --MiB-24 (talk) 17:18, 6 July 2009 (UTC)

Yes, I've seen that too, and I'm watching the article like a hawk. Best, Steve Crossin ^{The clock is ticking....} 22:20, 7 July 2009 (UTC)

Wanted to let to know that in attempting to revert an edit on the 24, the ClueBot marked it as vandalism. It was the same edit you've reverted before, a massive cast list being added to the page. --208.180.22.12 (talk) 14:33, 8 July 2009 (UTC)

Looks like we've got an edit war going between Alexisfan07 and 68.228.84.20 over the 24 Season 8 cast listings. They've been at it for days on 24 (season 8), 24 (TV series), and List of 24 cast members. The whole issue is whether or not Jennifer Westfeldt should be in the main cast or support cast. There seem to be conflicting articles, but the more recent, including a Fox press release, put her in the main cast. I hate to get into the middle yet another Wikipedia battle, but this one is getting ridiculous. --MiB-24 (talk) 04:48, 11 July 2009 (UTC)

Thanks for alerting me to this. I was aware of a slow edit war, however I've left it for the time being. I have asked for outside input on the situation. Steve Crossin ^{The clock is ticking....} 05:22, 11 July 2009 (UTC)

commented on talk page, issued advice on both talk pages. — Ched :  ?  05:49, 11 July 2009 (UTC)

Get Better Soon

Might not be the best use of the talk page, but I just wanted to wish you a speedy recovery from whatever is ailing you. --MiB-24 (talk) 05:43, 16 July 2009 (UTC)

Prem Rawat4

In order to extend privilege to the participants in this mediation, I've re-opened it as a Mediation Committee case here. Would you be able to contact the participants with a brief explanation of your reasons for doing this and ask them to sign their agreement on the MedCom case page in the "Party agreement to mediation" section? I look forward to working with you. Sunray (talk) 17:46, 16 July 2009 (UTC)

All the participants have now signed. Shall we begin? Sunray (talk) 16:32, 20 July 2009 (UTC)

Sounds like we're ready to begin. I'll request opening statements later today, in a few hours. Best, Steve Crossin ^{The clock is ticking....} 22:52, 20 July 2009 (UTC)

My RfB on SEWP

Steve Crossin, Thank you for taking part in my request for bureaucratship on Simple English Wikipedia, which closed as successful.
I promise to do my best and justify the trust the community on SEWP has placed in me!
fr33kman ^-simpleWP- 20:46, 21 July 2009 (UTC)

Latest PR mediation

As per this I object to Momento being a part of this process. This is yet another attempt by him to create havok with these articles and push his POV. Since Rumiton has also been banned from editing the topic for a year, I'm not sure he should be included in this mediation either. Any input he would have in a year from now crafting the PR articles can certainly be dealt with at that time, and since he is unable to do anything before then, I see no reason to include him. It hardly seems reasonable to allow an editor who was banned for previous behaviour, and unable to contribute to the articles, to create policy that other editors should abide by. -- Maelefique ^(talk) 15:26, 22 July 2009 (UTC)

Update: I just noticed this, I think it's a pretty good example of what we could expect if he's allowed to continue. -- Maelefique ^(talk) 16:41, 22 July 2009 (UTC)

I've created a page for discussion of this matter here. Sunray (talk) 17:45, 22 July 2009 (UTC)

Thank you for making WP:NODRAMA a success!

Thank you again for your support of the Great Wikipedia Dramaout. Preliminary statistics indicate that 129 new articles were created, 203 other articles were improved, and 183 images were uploaded. Additionally, 41 articles were nominated for DYK, of which at least 2 have already been promoted. There are currently also 8 articles up for GA status and 3 up for FA/FL status. Though the campaign is technically over, please continue to update the log page at WP:NODRAMA/L with any articles which you worked during the campaign, and also to note any that receive commendation, such as DYK, GA or FA status. You may find the following links helpful in nominating your work:

• T:TDYK for Did You Know nominations
• WP:GAC for Good Article nominations
• WP:FAC for Featured Article nominations
• WP:FLC for Featured List nominations
• WP:FPC for Featured Picture nominations

Again, thank you for making this event a success! --Jayron32.talk.say no to drama 02:28, 23 July 2009 (UTC)

Adoption

Thank you for offering adoption - I am honoured to accept! Ill change my userbox accordingly MacarismTalk 11:23, 26 July 2009 (UTC)

Crap..sorry about the delay in replying. Anyway, how familiar are you with Wikipedia? I assume you know how to watchlist pages, so if you could watchlist my talk page, that would be great, as I normally respond to messages here.

Anyway, let's get started. I'd like to know a bit about you, your interests, and why you chose to start editing Wikipedia. I'm Steve, I mainly edit articles related to 24, although of recent, I don't edit it much (I'm busy doing behind the scenes stuff like mediation.) I began editing Wikipedia because I wanted to add my knowledge to the site, and to help improve Wikipedia. (My first edit was actually fixing a typo). What do you like doing on Wikipedia? Also, what name do you generally go by on Wikipedia? After you've answered this, we will get started. If you could also let me know how much you know about Wikipedia, that would be great. Steve Crossin ^{The clock is ticking....} 00:13, 28 July 2009 (UTC)

Again thanks for the opportunity.
To introduce myself, im Arun, 29, a psychiatrist for my sins, and i've been working on Wikipedia for a year or so now. I got into Wikipedia by chance, when I was looking at athletic records during a quiet night-shift at work - and noted there wasn't a progression page for the men's 200m. I ended up making the article (my first edit), and got the bug from there. Nevertheless I had been browsing Wikipedia for some time prior (it's a very accessible way to learn without having to actively look for a particular subject), and was interested in its concept. I enjoy editing Wikipedia, and consider it a timely resource that will ultimately hold much information that is likely to be lost through time.
My Userpage gives a gist of what i've been doing on Wikipedia, and i'm currently working on 19th century Scottish football clubs (which has led me to do some research on it).
Im hoping to use my skills to improve Wikipedia (mainly English, but possible also Simple English), and to also get involved with the behind the scenes stuff - I like to think my profession gives me some skills to contribute to this, plus I consider myself to be an impartial, conciliatory, and consistent individual during discussions (with a sense of humour of course!).
This is the only username I have ever gone by, bar possibly a couple of anonymous typos a long time ago. In terms of experience, I think i've got the hang of basic editing, and i'm getting my teeth into making templates now (though making tables and templates from scratch (i.e. without copy/pasting) is probably above me at the moment). I've got a basic idea of the workings behind Wikipedia, though have not been particularly active in it due to my inexperience with Wiki policy.
Otherwise, im a fairly down-to-earth type of guy, and enjoys pretty much anything. I'm mainly into sports of all kinds, gaming, and poker. Also keeping the wife off my back while i'm slaving over the computer editing some article about an inconspicuous football team from the back and beyond.
Hopefully this has given you what you need, and im very happy to provide anything else you think would be useful! MacarismTalk 21:14, 28 July 2009 (UTC)

What you have given me somewhat gives me an idea on who you are, and what you like editing, as well as some things we could guide you into doing (perhaps train you up as a mediator). I have an adoption program that I put all my adoptee through. Some stuff you may know, some you may not, but a refresher can't hurt. Have a read of the lessons and let me know your thoughts. Steve Crossin ^{The clock is ticking....} 11:42, 29 July 2009 (UTC)

I'll start working on them over the rest of the week, hopefully by the weekend. I've got a lot going on at work, and i'm planning to move house in the next couple of weeks too, but it shouldn't hinder me too much. MacarismTalk 19:02, 29 July 2009 (UTC)

A quick update - I've been reading the courses, but im going to be offline for a few days while I sort out the move to a new home... but I should be much more active by the end of the month. Sorry about that! MacarismTalk 09:18, 5 August 2009 (UTC)

That's alright, I need to update the lessons and write two new ones, there's some stuff missing and some stuff is outdated. There's no rush. Best, Steve Crossin ^{The clock is ticking....} 09:35, 5 August 2009 (UTC)

Reliable sources note?

Was that for my comments on Jossi? He has NOTHING to do with Ted Patrick, and for Jayen to wave him around in some attempt to curry favour or invalidate a person Jossi's never known, frankly, is an attempt to invalidate the impartiality of RSN. What's good for the goose...I'm just trying to keep it equal. On the other hand, if that curt warning had nothing to do with me, then feel free to remove this from your talkpage, and I'll try and cut back even more on my coffee intake. :) --Maelefique ^(talk) 07:28, 28 July 2009 (UTC)

No, it wasn't really related to do with your post. I just saw that, while yes, the tone of your post by some may seem to be...bad? I can't think of a better word. But anyway, I realised that discussion could get heated, and people may say things that later come back to haunt them. So, I figured a reminder would be in order. Cut back on the coffee. :) Drinking too much is bad for you. Steve Crossin ^{The clock is ticking....} 07:33, 28 July 2009 (UTC)

Sorry

Sorry I missed you earlier - this COPD has been giving me fits lately. My entire sleep pattern is so screwed up that I don't know if I'm awake or asleep half the time. — Ched :  ?  08:12, 28 July 2009 (UTC)

24 Season 8 Cast

The edits regarding Logan, Mandy, and Tony you and I reverted today are being based on an interview at Comic-Con. It does not say the characters will return, it says they might return. So for now, it's just more fanboy speculation. We also need to make sure people understand the difference in a 1-2 episode guest spot and a reoccurring/supporting role. --MiB-24 (talk) 22:27, 29 July 2009 (UTC)

Yeah, I spotted that it was mentioned on E Online, but still..they may return, it's not a certainty. Steve Crossin ^{The clock is ticking....} 00:26, 30 July 2009 (UTC)

Corrib Gas Articles

Hi Steve, you may or may not have noticed that I've started a clean up on the Corrib Gas articles as mentioned in the mediation. I'd appreciate if you could take a look at my edits and give inputs where ever you think is necessary. I'm trying to bring a bit of balance and cut down on undue weighting in articles not directly related to the topic as well as lessen the number of articles involved, pretty much as I've said in the medcab statement. Your opinion on any of my edits is more than welcome. Cheers! GainLine ♠ _♥ 16:53, 30 July 2009 (UTC)

Cheers, I'd appreciate if you would let me know if you think I've overstepepd the mark on any of these articles. I'm only now realising the scale of the task, these articles really are a mess! Am trying to find correct sources and updates for articles and then merge Corrib gas project, Corrib gas controversy and Policing the corrib gas protests into one article as they are all about essentially the same thing. GainLine ♠ _♥ 13:28, 5 August 2009 (UTC)

Is this a test?

I think I can pass this one. Lara 02:58, 31 July 2009 (UTC)

Reminder

Per your request on IRC, this is a written reminder that you need to stop whatever you're doing now and start working on any and all 24-related articles that need attention. If there are more than you can handle, consider it job security. ;) --FastLizard4 (Talk•Index•Sign) 08:25, 31 July 2009 (UTC)