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Thanks Bobherry. It's so nice of you!—Spasiba5 (talk) 22:49, 17 February 2020 (UTC)

Astara

If you get your draft article published into the main space and it passes review, then it will be an appropriate entry for the disambiguation page. I hope my reverts have not dissuaded you from editing in general. It can take awhile to learn the various rules of different pages on here. Welcome to Wikipedia! -- Fyrael (talk) 03:26, 27 October 2019 (UTC)

@Fyrael: Thanks, so can you improve the draft to make it more acceptable, conforming to the rules of wikipedia? Spasiba5 (talk) 04:25, 28 October 2019 (UTC)

Well, I'm looking and so far haven't had any lucky finding any reliable sources that talk about this. Are you aware of any other books (aside from the Astara books themselves) or even news articles that have covered this material? -- Fyrael (talk) 20:05, 28 October 2019 (UTC)

@Fyrael:I don't know if you read the draft here: http://en.m.wiki.x.io/w/index.php?title=Draft:Astara_(the_cult)#, but I cited this as a reference. This is another: https://www.encyclopedia.com/science/encyclopedias-almanacs-transcripts-and-maps/astara.

Yes, I read the draft. I would consider that website to be a primary source, so we can cite it, but it doesn't really do anything to establish the notability of this topic. Other encyclopedias are tertiary sources and we generally don't use those at all. Without having any prior knowledge of this "religion" (or whatever preferred term) it does seem to me like a notable subject, but we need some secondary sources that talk about it. It may take some time to find. -- Fyrael (talk) 21:07, 28 October 2019 (UTC)

@Fyrael: So, are you saying that there is a possibility that the article will not be created due to rejection by someone in charge of allowing the creation of new articles?

No, technically nobody can stop the creation of an article. Anyone can create one at any time with any content. However, the article can afterwards be deleted if it doesn't meet Wikipedia standards, an important one of which is notability. You can find a pretty good breakdown of notability requirements here: WP:GNG. It's great that you have a draft going, so that you can work on the page and get help with it without any fear of it being removed, and then when it's ready you can create the article. Sadly, I'm not exactly an expert on creating articles here and I'm looking at Help:Your first article#Gathering references for some ideas on finding sources. If you're very interested in pursuing this and want some additional help, the best places to ask for assistance are at the Teahouse and at the main Help desk. -- Fyrael (talk) 03:55, 29 October 2019 (UTC)

Thanks-Spasiba5 (talk) 03:58, 29 October 2019 (UTC)

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Same goes for Astara (Spiritual). Hut 8.5 22:01, 29 October 2019 (UTC)

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I think "regarded as vandalism" is a bit harsh, Velella, but the draft suggestion is sound. Spasiba5, please note that being unresponsive while continuing to edit war the recreation is likely to result in sanctions — specifically, you being blocked from the article for a while.Thanks in advance for your close attention. El_C 09:25, 16 February 2020 (UTC)

Thank you for creating the draft, Spasiba5. Good on you. El_C 09:27, 16 February 2020 (UTC)

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Diannaa, Thanks. At the link you gave me to read, it says that I can paraphrase the sentence/s so that there is no "substantial similarity". Can I?—Spasiba5 (talk) 17:57, 17 February 2020 (UTC)

The way we do it is we find some source material, which could be high-quality websites, books magazine articles, etc. Then we re-write the material using our own words. Then add a citation showing that the source confirms what you have said. Content has to be written in your own words and not include any wording from the source material. One thing I find that works for me is to read over the source material and then pretend I am verbally describing the topic to a friend in my own words. Stuff should also be presented in a different order where possible. Summarize rather than paraphrase. This will typically result in your version being much shorter than the source document. There's some reading material on this topic at Wikipedia:Close paraphrasing and/or have a look at the material at Paraphrase: Write It in Your Own Words. Check out the links in the menu on the left for some exercises to try. Or study this module aimed at WikiEd students.— Diannaa (talk) 18:07, 17 February 2020 (UTC)

Sure, thanks!—Spasiba5 (talk) 18:17, 17 February 2020 (UTC)

Diannaa, Is this paraphrased enough?: The Human Rights Commission of Pakistan found that in most cases where it was claimed that the girls had eloped with their Muslim partners, they were actually kidnapped and married to Muslim men against their wishes or sold to them. Some Hindu girls, generally from economically better off families, elope with their Muslim boyfriends, but such marriages did not last long. The links to their families were cut off and these females were then co-erced to marry another Muslim or pushed into marriage rackets.

According to Pir Ayub Jan Sarhandi, a cleric accused of forced conversions, many Hindu girls are abducted and kept as sex slaves, but they are not converted.

Most of these females are either widows or extremely poor. According to Pir Ayub Jan Sarhandi, the government is supposed to look after all Hindus and others, but they come to us when they do not get help from the government.

References

No. That's not been paraphrased at all. It's almost identical to the source.

Source says:

In many cases where it was claimed the girls had eloped with their Muslim partners, the HRCP found that most were, in fact, abducted, forcibly married to Muslim men or sold to them. There have been cases of Hindu girls, usually from economically better off families, eloping with their Muslim boyfriends. Rehman says in most cases such marriages didn’t last long. With links to their families cut off, the girls were subsequently forced to marry another Muslim or sucked into marriage rackets.

Your proposed edit:

The Human Rights Commission of Pakistan found that in most cases where it was claimed that the girls had eloped with their Muslim partners, they were actually kidnapped and married to Muslim men against their wishes or sold to them. Some Hindu girls, generally from economically better off families, elope with their Muslim boyfriends, but such marriages did not last long. The links to their families were cut off and these females were then co-erced to marry another Muslim or pushed into marriage rackets.

Overlapping content is highlighted in bold. This is a copyright violation. — Diannaa (talk) 21:57, 17 February 2020 (UTC)

Diannaa, Is this paraphrased enough?: The Human Rights Commission of Pakistan found that girls were actually kidnapped and married to Muslim men against their wishes or sold to them and these girls had not run away with them. Some girls from affluent Hindu families, run away with their Muslim boyfriends, but such marriages do not last long. The links to their families are cut off and these females are then co-erced to marry some other Muslim or pushed into marriage rackets.—Spasiba5 (talk) 22:21, 17 February 2020 (UTC)

No, it's not, because it presents the same ideas, in the same order, using almost identical wording. — Diannaa (talk) 22:30, 17 February 2020 (UTC)

Read the source document. Think about what you want to say. Write it without looking at the source document. What are the main points you want to convey? say it in your own words. — Diannaa (talk) 22:32, 17 February 2020 (UTC)

Diannaa, Is this paraphrased enough?: The Human Rights Commission of Pakistan found that girls were actually kidnapped and married to Muslim men against their wishes or sold to them and these girls had not run away with them. Some girls from affluent Hindu families, run away with their Muslim boyfriends, but such marriages are short lived. The family links are severed and these females are then co-erced to marry some other Muslim man or are exploited by marriage agents.—Spasiba5 (talk) 22:37, 17 February 2020 (UTC)

Diannaa, I have changed every word!—Spasiba5 (talk) 22:39, 17 February 2020 (UTC)

You've still kept the original sentence structure and presented the same ideas in the same order. It's still extremely similar to the source.— Diannaa (talk) 11:41, 18 February 2020 (UTC)

Diannaa, I give up. It looks like I can not do it. Why don't you formulate those sentences the way you feel it should be (I could at least learn)? Thanks!—Spasiba5 (talk) 17:07, 18 February 2020 (UTC)

What are the main points you want to convey?— Diannaa (talk) 20:28, 18 February 2020 (UTC)

Diannaa, I want to convey all that is in my first quotation here in green (where I have cited the references). Please help. Thanks!—Spasiba5 (talk) 04:57, 19 February 2020 (UTC)

You need to write your own original prose. I don't think this is something that can be taught. At least it's not something I know how to do. I am not a teacher. — Diannaa (talk) 11:04, 19 February 2020 (UTC)

Diannaa, the source says:

In many cases where it was claimed the girls had eloped with their Muslim partners, the HRCP found that most were, in fact, abducted, forcibly married to Muslim men or sold to them. There have been cases of Hindu girls, usually from economically better off families, eloping with their Muslim boyfriends. Rehman says in most cases such marriages didn’t last long. With links to their families cut off, the girls were subsequently forced to marry another Muslim or sucked into marriage rackets.

My last proposed edit is:

The Human Rights Commission of Pakistan found that girls were actually kidnapped and married to Muslim men against their wishes or sold to them and these girls had not run away with them. Some girls from affluent Hindu families, run away with their Muslim boyfriends, but such marriages are short lived. The family links are severed and these females are then co-erced to marry some other Muslim man or are exploited by marriage agents.

I have changed the order as well as every word. For example, my first sentence begins with the Human Rights Commission of Pakistan while in the source it doesn't. So why are you still against accepting that paraphrase as "upto the mark"? The matter at the link you provided above says that paraphrased sentences are allowed!—Spasiba5 (talk) 18:18, 19 February 2020 (UTC)

I've repeatedly said that presenting the same material in the same order, using the same sentence structure, while only changing a few words, is a copyright violation. That's what you're doing, even with the latest attempt. — Diannaa (talk) 18:28, 19 February 2020 (UTC)

How much of your proposed addition is relevant at Draft:Religious conversions in Pakistan or Forced conversion to Islam in Pakistan ? It is off-topic, because it's mostly about abduction and forced marriages, not religious conversions. There's a little material in the source article about forced conversions. One cleric denies that he is doing forced conversions of abducted women, and one abducted woman says that she felt she had to convert or receive no assistance from her husband's family when her husband died. That's the subject you want to talk about at Draft:Religious conversions in Pakistan and Forced conversion to Islam in Pakistan, which is the two places where you added this content.— Diannaa (talk) 19:00, 19 February 2020 (UTC)

It is about, forced conversions! There are 5 matches for the word forced in the reference cited. — Spasiba5 (talk) 19:15, 19 February 2020 (UTC)

Diannaa, is this at least OK? "It was found that girls were actually kidnapped and married to Muslim men against their wishes or sold to them and these girls had not run away with them. Some are exploited by marriage agents"—Spasiba5 (talk) 14:27, 20 February 2020 (UTC)

That version still has a too much overlap with the source. Here's how to re-write the first sentence: The Human Rights Commission of Pakistan found that many girls who had been presumed to have eloped had actually been kidnapped, and were later sold or forced to marry Muslim men.

But it doesn't mention the topic of forced conversions, so it's not a good addition to Draft:Religious conversions in Pakistan or Forced conversion to Islam in Pakistan.— Diannaa (talk) 14:39, 20 February 2020 (UTC)

OK, Diannaa, so you finally gave me a sentence I can use. Now the cited reference says, "When a Hindu is forced to become Muslim, such a ruckus is made that if the young kidnapped girl appears in court, the fanatics yell, scream, throw rose petals in the air and follow the youth into the building so that she’s intimidated and can’t speak," and "Isn’t something very, very wrong here? Suppose the poor girl was forced into changing her religion and marrying one of the assailants so that they get off the hook? Can’t the state prosecute the four on its own, for their original crime of rape?" However, I plan to avoid mentioning the last 2 quotations and just add what you quoted last, just after a sentence that contains the word, "forced conversion" to the forced conversion to Islam in Pakistan article. Are you OK with that?—Spasiba5 (talk) 16:15, 20 February 2020 (UTC)

I already said that it's off-topic since it's not about forced conversion. So I think you know my opinion already— Diannaa (talk) 00:44, 21 February 2020 (UTC)

Diannaa, then I will use the sentence you quoted and add, "when the young, abducted, Hindu girl who has been forced to convert to Islam appears in court, the fanatics create a great brouhaha and follow her into the building due to which she gets intimidated and is unable to speak" and cite just that one reference as both sentences are from the same source. Is it OK (I wrote that in my own words)?—Spasiba5 (talk) 04:56, 21 February 2020 (UTC)

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OK, thanks!—Spasiba5 (talk) 02:40, 25 February 2020 (UTC)

February 2020

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It was my first edit to that article. I just removed unsourced statements!—Spasiba5 (talk) 12:52, 25 February 2020 (UTC)

Spasiba5, I have corrected above. Please read WP:1RR, the next revert will get you blocked. Second it was reliably sourced, and you are WP:CENSORing content that you think is not showing the subject in good light. ⋙–DBigXrayᗙ 12:55, 25 February 2020 (UTC)

Please reply on the "Talk" page of that article. — Spasiba5 (talk) 13:13, 25 February 2020 (UTC)

Thanjavur Marathi people

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Mr.Sarcastic, that edit you made there reverted all that I had done. If you observe what I have done, you will see that I have just corrected the links - for example, I corrected the link from Marathi to Thanjavur Marathi, Maratha Empire to Thanjavur Maratha kingdom and so on, so will you please revert what you did?—Spasiba5 (talk) 19:04, 25 February 2020 (UTC)

I have observed what you have done you are repeatedly using the word Thanjavur again and again while it's not necessary to address again and again and their Thanjavur Marathi is a dialect of Marathi not an independent language so they are speaking a variant of Old Marathi. Mr.Sarcastic (talk) 12:35, 27 February 2020 (UTC)

February 2020

Please do not add original research or novel syntheses of published material to articles as you apparently did to North East Delhi riots. Please cite a reliable source for all of your contributions.

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Moved from Talk:North East Delhi riots

I have been reverted here. What is wrong with it? A lot of users are complaining that that article is one sided. Some editors like DBigXray are policing the article to keep those riots from looking anti-national (and blaming others for the same). My request for Comments request is being removed. Please help!—Spasiba5 (talk) 13:54, 27 February 2020 (UTC)

Your attempt at an RFC was moved to this page. Please see above Your edit was reverted with WP:NOTMEMORIAL given as a reason. If you disagree with this reversion, please gain consensus for it on the article talk page. 331dot (talk) 14:14, 27 February 2020 (UTC)

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Please confirm if you have read and understood Wikipedia:Tendentious editing. --⋙–DBigXrayᗙ 14:30, 27 February 2020 (UTC)

Yes, but since I have not indulged in any revert war lately I should not be blocked.—Spasiba5 (talk) 14:33, 27 February 2020 (UTC)

So you confirm that you have "completely" read and understood the whole page. (please do so if you have not). I have asked you to read it so that you can understand what is expected from an editor here. Based on my interaction with you on Jaggi's page and then on this riot, it appears to me that you are aggressively pushing a POV. Please make an effort to follow wP:NPOV. You are not getting blocked right now, but if you keep agressively pushing a side, it may lead to sanctions since these pages are on wP:ACDS regards. --⋙–DBigXrayᗙ 14:38, 27 February 2020 (UTC)

Thanks!—Spasiba5 (talk) 03:51, 29 February 2020 (UTC)

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February 2020

Please remember to assume good faith when dealing with other editors, which you did not do on North East Delhi riots.

If you have content disputes, follow WP:DR ⋙–DBigXrayᗙ 05:52, 29 February 2020 (UTC)

Stop that

Stop that on Vanamonde93's page unless you want to be blocked for harassment. Read my edit summary where I reverted you,[1] and leave Vanamonde alone unless and until you have something decent, and relevant, to say. Bishonen | tålk 17:40, 29 February 2020 (UTC).

Riot page

Hi User:Spasiba5, I see that you have added the controversial content without failing to generate consensus. Please note the page is on wP:1RR. I suggest you self revert your recent edit in the article and copy the content to the talk page to discuss it and generate consensus in support of your content. ⋙–DBigXrayᗙ 19:23, 1 March 2020 (UTC)

March 2020

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I removed the name even before you posted here!—Spasiba5 (talk) 11:30, 4 March 2020 (UTC)

Conduct at Talk:North East Delhi riots

Spasiba, high-frequency and tendentious comments. and spamming of low-quality sources (examples: [2], [3], [4]) are not helpful in a talkpage discussion, especially on an active and potentially heated topic. Please modulate your participation at the page, else you will be facing discretionary sanctions. Abecedare (talk) 15:20, 4 March 2020 (UTC)

I am perfectly happy to provide sources but the conduct of editors on this page clearly shows a bias of unparalleled proportions, Tahir Hussain against whom there is an active case for murder is not mentioned but the BJP leader is explicitly stated as the trigger for this riot even though there are no cases against him. All Muslims names have been removed from any incriminating position within this article is that just a coincidence. So I will repeat this again, either make the page on East Delhi riots more balanced or if you are too biased to do that then take the page down, or I see no option but to file a complaint against the editors of this page. Here is a link about Tahir Hussain role in riots, but I am hardly the first person to post such links. https://zeenews.india.com/video/india/dna-analysis-on-riot-factory-of-tahir-hussain-2266773.html — Preceding unsigned comment added by ManuT2020 (talk • contribs) 20:44, 4 March 2020 (UTC)

Notice that you are now subject to an arbitration enforcement sanction

The following sanction now applies to you:

Topic-banned from all pages and discussions related to Citizenship (Amendment) Act, 2019, including the associated protests

You have been sanctioned for continued POV, tendentious and disruptive editing in this topic-area, most recently at Talk:North East Delhi riots (eg, [5], [6], [7], [8], [9], [10], [11], [12] from just today) despite prior warnings.

This sanction is imposed in my capacity as an uninvolved administrator under the authority of the Arbitration Committee's decision at Wikipedia:Requests for arbitration/India-Pakistan#Final decision and, if applicable, the procedure described at Wikipedia:Arbitration Committee/Discretionary sanctions. This sanction has been recorded in the log of sanctions. If the sanction includes a ban, please read the banning policy to ensure you understand what this means. If you do not comply with this sanction, you may be blocked for an extended period, by way of enforcement of this sanction—and you may also be made subject to further sanctions.

You may appeal this sanction using the process described here. I recommend that you use the arbitration enforcement appeals template if you wish to submit an appeal to the arbitration enforcement noticeboard. You may also appeal directly to me (on my talk page), before or instead of appealing to the noticeboard. Even if you appeal this sanction, you remain bound by it until you are notified by an uninvolved administrator that the appeal has been successful. You are also free to contact me on my talk page if anything of the above is unclear to you. Abecedare (talk) 21:12, 4 March 2020 (UTC)

I was just about to warn you about adding unreliable sources containing BLP violations (which I redacted), but I see that you have already been sanctioned for that (and more). Looking at the evidence directly above (and above that), I think that, if anything, you have been treated far too leniently up until now. As such, I would advise you not to appeal the sanction for at least a few months, while you prove you are able to edit collaboratively in other areas of the encyclopedia. El_C 22:33, 4 March 2020 (UTC)

El_C, Those were copied from further up on the talk page and not posted by me originally.

Abecedare, is the sanction going to expire on its own sometime or do I have to appeal? If I have to appeal, when can I do so, that is after how many edits in other articles/months? Please let me know.—Spasiba5 (talk) 02:49, 5 March 2020 (UTC)

I'm not seeing those links on the talk page anywhere. You may appeal at any time, but again, that isn't advised. El_C 02:54, 5 March 2020 (UTC)

El_C, Please see the "List of Hate Speaches" by clicking here. If I can appeal, when can I do so, that is after how many edits in other articles/months? I think I can if my behavior is good!—Spasiba5 (talk) 03:04, 5 March 2020 (UTC)

Spasiba5, I'd be happy to reconsider the topic-ban in 6 months if in the meantime you show an ability to edit and discuss issues without the problems seen so far. On the other hand, if the problems simply transfer over to other articles or topic-areas, the current topic-ban is liable to be expanded or to be converted into a block. For completeness, I should mention that you can also appeal any of the sanctions at any point at WP:AE but, as El_C said, such an appeal is unlikely to find favor anytime soon. Abecedare (talk) 03:19, 5 March 2020 (UTC)

(edit conflict) Okay, I see it in that hatted section (added by some IP), thanks — I've redacted it, too. Again, you can appeal at any time, it's just isn't advised. El_C 03:23, 5 March 2020 (UTC)

Block

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El_C 18:51, 5 March 2020 (UTC)

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Possible relationship to User:Hometech

Besides the fact that this user has been banned for sock-puppeteering, the editing patterns and issues (WP:SYNTH, copying/pasting content from one article to other articles inappropriately), choice of articles to edit, and the user's talk page posts are highly reminiscent of User:Hometech, who had a few dozen sockpuppets in 2019. Buddytula (talk) 15:50, 9 May 2020 (UTC)

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