User talk:Smsarmad/Archives/2014/March

External links in Mountain articles

SMS - Member Lew Sheen (talk) 15:39, 22 February 2014 (UTC)Lew_Sheen here.

I have added links to Summitpost.org and Himalaya-Info.org to all 14 8,00 meter peak pages. These 2 sites, Summitpost.org and Himalaya-Info.org, contain much additional information about the main mountain subject pages. Neither site is a commercial site, each uses the .org domain classification. I added them to increase the amount of information available to wikipedia users interested in learning more about the peaks.

In addition, both Summitpost.org and Himalaya-Info.org have extensive and unique photos of the peaks and the surrounding areas, photos not available anywhere else.

Finally, both Summitpost.org and Himalaya-Info.org have comprehensive rights policies which are strictly enforced.

I believe the addition of these external links will greatly enhance a wikipedia user's experience - especially one who seeks to learn more about the 14 8,000 meter peaks on our planet.

Thanks,

Lew Sheen (talk) 15:39, 22 February 2014 (UTC)Lew_Sheen

Hello Lew Sheen. Thanks for the explanation. I also agree to some extent about the usefulness of these pages that is why I didn't remove them but the way you added these links looked somewhat like spamming, so thought to let you know about some of the guidelines that you may find helpful. Hope you enjoy editing Wikipedia. -- SMS ^Talk 15:58, 22 February 2014 (UTC)

Thanks for the info on wikipedia's guidelines regarding external links, I had not read them before. They all make good sense to me, and I certainly will bear them in mind in the future.

Lew Sheen (talk) 23:50, 22 February 2014 (UTC)Lew_Sheen

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Sudhan

I have been working on this for he last 5 years and have no idea why you would destroy this. I will apprecaite if you would leave this alone — Preceding unsigned comment added by Trueblood786 (talk • contribs) 01:16, 23 February 2014‎ (UTC)

@Trueblood786 I think it has been explained to you very well on the article talk page that why the content you are trying to add is not suitable here at Wikipedia. And my edit at this article was not vandalism, you better read What is not vandalism. Please also read Wikipedia:Ownership of articles. -- SMS ^Talk 12:21, 23 February 2014 (UTC)

I read your edit, it makes no sense to completely take the whole article down because you dont agree with it, if you have issues, than you should go to the talk page. I am not sure what your issues are with Sudhans, clearly they are a tribe in AJK, they have not much in common with Pakistanis or Indians, especially Punjabis. So if you have issues, than kindly put it on the talk page.

I have been editing for a long time so please dont threaten me rather you should be civil

What failed verification, can you tell me what you tried to verify, clearly, Sardar Ibrahim Khan was the first President of AJK and he is a Sudhan, you can read it in his own book. "The Kashmir Saga".

I will appreciate if you could tell me what you are trying to verify. Also the other editor he just wiped out the whole article. I am looking forward to working with your to make this better, so I will appreciate your comments and exactly what you need verified and how.

Trueblood (talk) 01:40, 28 February 2014 (UTC)

Trueblood (talk) 01:27, 28 February 2014 (UTC)

Sardar Muhmmad Aziz Khan is a Sudhan, see "http://www.outlookindia.com/printarticle.aspx?225318" I hope this is a source you can trust. Normally Pakistan Army does not state the tribe a general or officer belongs to.

Trueblood (talk) 01:55, 28 February 2014 (UTC)

May you

Hi Smsarmad, would you please tag for deletion, I have gone through all sources,(though I edited several times the article) non of those establish the notability of the subject, there are two reliable sources, that do not write about the subject, just the issue of the blasphemy, rest are trivial and insignificant to support the notability of the subject, I believe. As I am not much familiar how to tag for deletion, I need your assistance in this regard, please first take a look at the sources. Thanks. Justice007 (talk) 09:03, 23 February 2014 (UTC)

Hello Justice. I have reviewed the article and agree with you about the subject's notability. So I have nominated it for deletion through the AfD process. Regards -- SMS ^Talk 11:51, 23 February 2014 (UTC)

We should maintain the standards of the wiki-project. Thanks. Justice007 (talk) 14:25, 23 February 2014 (UTC)

The Taliban and the Crisis of Afghanistan

Am I missing something here? p102 says, Bhutto admitted that Pakistan had trained the Taliban in Pakistan with financial aid from the US. I cannot see page 101 on preview. Darkness Shines (talk) 19:51, 23 February 2014 (UTC)

I will quote from the two books the para I am referring to, but please give me sometime, I am a little occupied in the real world. -- SMS ^Talk 07:00, 24 February 2014 (UTC)

Yes Benazir admitted that Taliban were given training by Pakistan and the following quoted text that precedes explains it. Here, from the title book, I am going to bold out any text that I find most relevant to our discussion

“ ...Islamabad rejected both the formation of a coalition government in Kabul and the broad-based government mandated by the United Nations. With the support of the CIA and Saudi financing, the ISI pushed for a military victory to install the Afghan Islamists in Kabul without informing major mujahedin field commanders. In the meantime, Afghan Islamist groups were unable to fund thousands of their established religious schools; most of these schools were subsequently taken over by the Jamiat Ulema-e-Islam, another powerful and highly influential Islamist group in Pakistan. These competing factions nonetheless failed to form a national government, and their competition sparked a bloody civil war, which continued for two years. During this massive infighting, some thirty thousand people were killed and a hundred thousand were wounded; the capital was destroyed entirely.

This chaotic social and political environment gave rise to a vacuum of leadership and gave momentum to the appearance of a political force that promised to stop the infighting and further destruction of the country. Led by Mullah Muhammad Omar, the initial Taliban group emerged in the southern part of Kandahar Province in 1994 as a local response to the former resistance and militia forces implicated in banditry, brutality against local residents, and offenses against the local values such as nang (reputation) and namus (local honor with respect to women). Mullah Omar was a veteran mujahedin commander and had previously headed a religious school in a remote district of Kandahar. Through their association and friendship with the Jamiat Ulema-e-Islam, headed by Mawlana Fazlur Rehman, the strongest coalition partner in the Benazir Bhutto government in 1994, Taliban leaders were brought to the attention of the Pakistani government, which put Ministry of Interior General Nasirullah Babar in charge of logistical support for the Taliban. This development enabled the Taliban to mobilize forces and take over the strategic province of Kandahar, rapidly expanding toward Herat and then Kabul. The rise of the Taliban was embedded in regional developments. Competition for access to the oil- and gas-rich states of the former Soviet Union in Central Asia added an economic component to Pakistan's policy toward Afghanistan. Bhutto's regime viewed access to these Central Asian markets and the transport of energy as critical to Pakistani industry. Meanwhile, Hekmatyar's forces, backed by Pakistan, were failing militarily and politically to capture Kabul. Moreover, ISI support for Hekmatyar had already antagonized Islamabad's relationship with the Afghan mujahedin government led by Burhanuddin Rabbani.

” — Robert D. Crews; Amin Tarzi, The Taliban and the Crisis of Afghanistan

Will quote from the other book later. --SMS ^Talk 19:06, 24 February 2014 (UTC)

Can you take this to the Talk:Taliban so that we can have a centralized discussion at one place? Mar4d (talk) 09:21, 25 February 2014 (UTC)

Sure I would do that. Actually I am unable to find enough time to participate in a regular discussion. -- SMS ^Talk 02:07, 26 February 2014 (UTC)

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Kohistan

I have revert your one edit on Kohistan District, Pakistan. It is not necessary to clean up the content as you done. Yasir Multiple (talk) 10:50, 27 February 2014 (UTC)

Talkback

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Feroz Watwan

yar tum ko kya masla he.... tum ho kon? bar bar sub kuch q delete kr dety ho? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 39.41.22.255 (talk) 17:41, 28 February 2014 (UTC)

Please read What Wikipedia is not. -- SMS ^Talk 17:52, 28 February 2014 (UTC)

Hello Feroz, tum fikar na karo mein tumhare saath hn. Tum akele hi nai ho jo is se tang ho. har koi is se tang hai. is ko sirf award jeetne ka shook hai. Ab chahe wo award asli hoon ya nakli. Is user ne kai saare nakli award apne user page pe saja rakhe hain. Is ko naseehat karo je ye kisi ache se doctor se apna ilaaj karwai. Or tum please fikar na karna. Ise Allah hi pooche ga. - 119.160.119.178 (talk) 05:46, 1 March 2014 (UTC)

Smsarmad, May Allah broke your both hands and finger so you did not use you keyboard for editing or investigations. Ameen - 119.160.119.178 (talk) 05:53, 1 March 2014 (UTC)

News paper

Can you explain why you consider news papers as in reliable sources. If papers in Pakistan and India are in reliable than why is nyt reliable. A news paper is independent and thus in of itself reliable. If there are two news reports both contradictory than both should be listed, rather than as u did taking out the reference completelyHeman (talk) 19:35, 2 March 2014 (UTC)

We can never say that any publication by a source is reliable, we need to analyze each publication on case to case basis given where and for what it is used. -- SMS ^Talk 19:45, 2 March 2014 (UTC)

I have no idea what you are getting at, saying we need to analyze. Even on a tv news show they put up both papers.

Adnan1216 (talk) 21:09, 2 March 2014 (UTC)

So u think Pakistani news paper like dailytimes is not established. So how do you think anything is established. So rather than taking out the reference as you did with rawind, it should have been left in.

I am not sure why you are taking everything so personally, it is not personal. In reference to the other edits you have done the same thing, for example on the rawalakot news paper, u referenced notability but that was subjective, and even than it was notable.

Finally, I think before reverting one should discuss

Adnan1216 (talk) 21:07, 2 March 2014 (UTC)

Sometimes the unsourced content is so problematic that we can't leave it with a citation needed tag. -- SMS ^Talk 21:26, 2 March 2014 (UTC)

Ghulam

You undid my edits pls explain what is not referenced, the references were just fine, unless you personally bought the Pakistan book referenced here from 1950 something, you have no idea what it says. The reference is as I said establishing PCM as successor to the old company.

Adnan1216 (talk) 21:14, 2 March 2014 (UTC)

More than half of the article is without a reference. -- SMS ^Talk 21:23, 2 March 2014 (UTC)

Ok I will review and see which is not referred.

I am confused are u the same person as SMS, as you have changed your signature. You did not explain about why u god rid of the reference from the govt of Pakistan, is that not releiable

Adnan1216 (talk) 21:26, 2 March 2014 (UTC)

Please provide the diff of the edit you are talking about and also read WP:HOUNDING. -- SMS ^Talk 21:29, 2 March 2014 (UTC)

You took out the reference, with pretty terse remarks, that is un called for, you should be civil. I read your edits, you have hundreds of edits, most are just annoying. Here you know the edits, they concerned references, and you took them out. Furthermore, you feel that news papers are not reliable

I will appreciate if you would mellow a bit

Adnan1216 (talk) 21:37, 2 March 2014 (UTC)

I don't know what you are talking about but you may like to report me for that uncivil behavior at WP:ANI. -- SMS ^Talk 21:39, 2 March 2014 (UTC)

No need for that, only little kids run to the teacher at everytime they have an issue. I dont go around filing reports, I know you do. In any case, your edit this page was improper, you took out referenced material and the references, all because you feel that that have any value. Furthermore,I looked at your history, and it seems that after you got into with true something, you went to each of the editors pages and made changes and requested that they be deleted, that is what hounding refers to. References should not be taken out. If you have issues put it on the talk page.

I happen to be a muslim from Kashmir and dont like to get into arguments over something that is not important

Adnan1216 (talk) 21:56, 2 March 2014 (UTC)

I have given explanation for each of my edit, you will see it only if you care to read and avoid useless arguments. Also avoid making false accusations. -- SMS ^Talk 22:00, 2 March 2014 (UTC)

Your explanation does not state much, all its stated was not sourced, no notable, rather if you had actually read the sources, you would have found what was written. I dont make false accusations, I state facts. Must be really cold in Jersey. Stay Warm. What your edit to Dhaily Dharti about, clearly that was hounding. Adnan1216 (talk) 22:10, 2 March 2014 (UTC)

Hounding? Who did I hound? -- SMS ^Talk 22:13, 2 March 2014 (UTC)

Technology is wonderful, all you have to do is check your own history it cant be changed. The facts are there. Also why are you calling the sourced edit to Maryam Nawaz as unsourced. It is sourced and if you want maybe a third party mediator should look into it, not one of your group friends.

Adnan1216 (talk) 22:15, 2 March 2014 (UTC)

Try to be precise, who you are referring to? And I am fine with a mediator but if you don't let my group friends that leaves no one here at Wikipedia. -- SMS ^Talk 22:18, 2 March 2014 (UTC)

We can request mediation. That will leave out the couple of people that are part of your intimate group. We can always ask for a administrator. I will agree to that on the Mariam Nawaz issue

Adnan1216 (talk) 22:21, 2 March 2014 (UTC)

Do whatever you want to do. That content is not getting back. -- SMS ^Talk 22:23, 2 March 2014 (UTC)

I have requested dispute resolution,

Adnan1216 (talk) 22:56, 2 March 2014 (UTC)

Link please. -- SMS ^Talk 22:57, 2 March 2014 (UTC)

I have not gotten back a link yet, I agree with u that this source was dubious, I will locate a better source, which can be independently verified

Adnan1216 (talk) 23:01, 2 March 2014 (UTC)

FYI, the dispute resolution case is located here. Adnan1216 also asked for third opinions from myself (my response here) and Sitush (who has yet to answer) here. Pinkadelica^♣ 00:13, 3 March 2014 (UTC)

List of Kakazai Pashtuns

For Dr. Munir:

- http://kakezaiassociation.com/pioneers.php

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Some Famous Kakazai Personalities

Presidents / Prime Ministers

• Abdul Ghafoor Khan, Prime Minister, State of Ram Pur, Indo-Pak, 1901

• Ghulam Mohammed, Governor General of Pakistan, 1951 – 1955

Judicial Officers / Judges

• Ghulam Nabi Jalalabadi, Sub-Judge, Sialkot, Indo-Pak, 1900

• Faqir Ali, District Judge, Rohtak, Indo-Pak, 1901

• Karim Bakhsh, Sub-Judge, Atari, Indo-Pak, 1906

• Ali Muhammad, Senior Sub-Judge, Ferozepur, Indo-Pak, 1932

• Ali Muhammad, Distrit Judge, Amritsar, Indo-Pak

• Muhammad Munir, Chief Justice of Pakistan, 1954 – 1960

• Ghayas Mohammad, Attorney General of Pakistan

• Khurshid Ahmed, Minster of Law, Pakistan

• Saad Saud Jaan, Judge, Supreme Court, Pakistan

• Khalil-ur-Rahman, Judge, Lahore High Court, Pakistan

• Mahboob Ahmad, Judge, Lahore High Court, Pakistan

• Munir A. Sheikh, Judge, Lahore High Court, Pakistan

• Muhammad Irshad Hassan, Judge, High Court, Pakistan

• Aamir Raza Khan, Judge, High Court, Pakistan

• Maqbool Ahmad, Session Judge, Pakistan

• Malik Haji Allah Rakha, Honorary Magistrate, Sialkot, Pakistan

• Malik Rahmatullah, Honorary Magistrate, Lahore, Pakistan

Attorneys / Advocates

• Malik Barkat Ali, Advocate, High Court, Indo-Pak

• Malik Niaz Muhammad Khan, Advocate, Indo-Pak

• Khan Abul-Rahim, Advocate, Amritsar, Indo-Pak

• Khan Bahadur Malik Hussain Khan, Advocate, High Court, Lahore, Indo-Pak

• Malik Jalal-ud-din Khan, Advocate, Sialkot, Indo-Pak

• Sheikh Abd-ur-Rehman, Advocate, Indo-Pak

• Mazhar Hussain, Advocate Khanpur, Indo-Pak

• Muhammad Nasib Khan, Barrister at Law, Lahore, Indo-Pak

• Malik Sardar Khan, Advocate, Sialkot, Indo-Pak

• Malik Muhammad Amin Khan (Sialkoti), Advocate, Lahore, Indo-Pak

• Khan Nisar Ahmed Khan, Advocate, Montgomery, Indo-Pak

• Khan Muhammad Iqbal Khan, Advocate, Hoshiarpur, Indo-Pak

• Khan Abudl-Hamid Khan, Barrister at Law, Sialkot, Indo-Pak

• Malik Ziaullah, Advocate, Sialkot, Indo-Pak

• Sheikh Maula Bakhsh, Attorney of the State, State of Patiala, Indo-Pak

• Sheikh Ali Muhammad, Advocate, Sialkot, Indo-Pak

• Sheikh Muhammad Umar, Barrister at Law, Amritsar, Indo-Pak

• Sheikh Umar Bakhsh, Advocate, Gurdaspur, Indo-Pak

• Malik Imam-ud-din, Advocate, Plaidar Jamon, Indo-Pak

• Malik Pir Bakhsh, Advocate, Peshawar, Indo-Pak

• Malik Salah-ud-din, Advocate, Gujrat, Indo-Pak

• Malik Meeran Bakhsh, Barrister at Law, Peshawar, Indo-Pak, 1900

• Khan Muhammad Rashid-ul-Haq, Barrister at Law, President Municipal Committee, Gurdaspur, Indo-Pak

• Malik Wilayat Ahmed, Advocate, Batala, Indo-Pak

• Malik Wazir Ahmed, Advocate, Batala, Indo-Pak

• Malik Khurshid Ahmed, Barrister at Law, Ferozepur, Indo-Pak

• Malik Rahim Bakhsh, Advocate, Peshawar, Indo-Pak

• Malik Ghulam Dastagir, Advocate, Indo-Pak

• Malik Muhammad Sharif, Advocate, Lahore, Indo-Pak

• Sheikh Noor Ahmad, Advocate, Abbotabad, Indo-Pak

• Khan Muhammad Younas Khan, Advocate, Peshawar, Indo-Pak

• Sheikh Muhammad Abdullah, Advocate, Abbotabad, Indo-Pak

Police Officers

• Sheikh Muhammad Hussain, Inspector Police, Lahore, Indo-Pak

• Hafiz Muhammad Qasim, Deputy Inspector, Jagadahry, Indo-Pak

• Hafiz Ghulam Kibriya, Deputy Inspector, Hansi, Indo-Pak

• Malik Ghulam Akbar Saheb, Deputy Inspector, Khudian, Indo-Pak

• Sardard Ali, Deputy Inspector, Kasur, Indo-Pak

• Sheikh Ghulam Mustapha, Inspector, Dharmkot, Indo-Pak

• Malik Muhammad Khan, Deputy Superintendent, Pathankot, Indo-Pak

• Malik Abd-ur-Rehman, Sub-Inspector, Kalabagh, Indo-Pak

• Khan Bahadur Hafiz Zain-ul-Abidin, Superintendent, Montgomery, Indo-Pak

• Malik Ashar Ali, Sub-Inspector, Ghoghair – Montgomery, Indo-Pak

• Khan Dildar Khan, Inspector, Patoki – Lahore, Indo-Pak

• Malik Muhammad Hussain, Sub-Inspector, Nur Shah – Montgomery, Indo-Pak

• Malik Abd-ul-Haq Khan, Sub-Inspector, Jhang, Indo-Pak

• Sheikh Ghulam Qadir, Sub-Inspector, Jigrawan, Indo-Pak

• Sheikh Barkat Ali, Sub-Inspector, Shuja Abad, Indo-Pak

• Sheikh Gohar Ahmed, Sub-Inspector, Gardpur (Nainital), Indo-Pak

• Hafiz Wilayat Ali, Sub-Inspector, Rohtak, Indo-Pak

• Hafiz Zain-ul-Abidin, Court Inspector, Peshawar, Indo-Pak, 1900

• Sheikh Murid Ghaus, Court Inspector, Peshawar, Kanpur, Indo-Pak, 1900

• Malik Fazal-ud-Din, Deputy Inspector, Lahore, Indo-Pak

• Sheikh Pir Bakhsh, Deputy Inspector, Hoshiarpur, Indo-Pak, 1900

• Sheikh Hussain Bakhsh, Deputy Inspector, Chunian, Indo-Pak, 1900

• Malik Ubaidullah Khan, Deputy Inspector, Phalora – Sialkot, Indo-Pak

• Malik Abdullah Khan, Sub-Inspector, Sialkot, Indo-Pak

• Malik Zulqarnain, Sub-Inspector, Narowal, Indo-Pak

• Sheikh Muhammad Hussain, District Inspector, State of Bahawalpur, Indo-Pak

• Malik Ghulam Muhammad Sub-Inspector, Churhkana, Indo-Pak

• Malik Ali Akbar Khan, Inspector, Quetta, Indo-Pak

• Malik Muhammad Shafi, Sub-Inspector, Gurdaspur, Indo-Pak

Military / Army Officers

• Khan Bahadur Malik Umar-ud-Din, Subedar Major, Bhailo Wal – Amritsar, Indo-Pak

• Fatah-ud-Din, Subedar, Larhi - Jehlum, Indo-Pak

• Muhammad Ghasetay Khan, Platoon Guide, Hoti Mardan, from Gurdaspur, Indo-Pak

• Wali Muhammad Khan, Subedar, Regiment Number 104, Bombay, from Bhailo Wal, Amritsar, Indo-Pak

• Muhammad Ali Khan, Subedar, Military Police, Brehma, from Bodsir, State of Kapurthala, Indo-Pak

• Muhamad Bakhsh, Platoon Number 7, Lakhnow, from Rangpur, Sialkot, Indo-Pak

• Mohkam-ud-Din, Subedar, Rangpura, Sialkot, Indo-Pak

• Sarfaraz Khan, Subedar, Rangpura, Sialkot, Indo-Pak

• Rukun-ud-Din, Subedar, Aimanabad, Gujranwala, Indo-Pak

• Kader Bakhsh, Risaldar, Rangpura, Sialkot, Indo-Pak

• Kaloo Khan, Risaldar, Aimanabad, Gujranwala, Indo-Pak

• Hussain Bakhsh, Jemadar (An Officer Rank in the British Indian Army), Platoon Number 25, Bhail Chak, Gurdaspur, Indo-Pak

• Sindhay Khan, Jemadar, Risala Number 9 – Hudson Horse, Fatupurah, Gurdaspur, Indo-Pak

• Charagh Ali Khan, Jemadar, Risal Number 9 – Hudson Horse, Fatupurah, Gurdaspur, Indo-Pak

• Hakem-ud-Din, Jemadar, from Nowshehra – Sialkot, Indo-Pak

• Khuda Yar Khan, Jemadar, from Nowshehra – Sialkot, Indo-Pak

• Wali Muhammad Khan, Jemadar, Military Police, Brehma, from Bazidchak, Gurdaspur, Indo-Pak

• Sazawar Khan, Jemadar, Lasmin Karal, Gurdaspur, Indo-Pak

• Charagh Ali, Adjutant Jemadar, Batala, Gurdaspur, Indo-Pak

• Pir Bakhsh, Adjutant Jemadar, Platoon Number 6, from Rangpura – Sialkot, Indo-Pak

• Bootay Khan, Jemadar, Paltoon Sun-flower (Suraj Mukhi), from Rangpura – Sialkot, Indo-Pak

• Rukun-ud-Din, Jemadar, Regiment Number 9, Bombay, from Aimanabad, Indo-Pak

• Imam-ud-Din Khan, Jemadar, Multan, Indo-Pak

(Source: “Tareekh-e-Kakazai Tarkani” (a.k.a. “Hidayat Afghani – Tareekh-e-Kakazai Tarkani”)

McKhan ^(talk) 04:53, 2 March 2014 (UTC)

I have restored Munir Ahmad Khan, though the source you have given is not a reliable source. The other names that you have listed can be included only if they already have an article here at Wikipedia. -- SMS ^Talk 11:59, 5 March 2014 (UTC)

Same like me

Hello SMS armad, i am just a new user. I was taking help from Adnan1216 about wikipedia. There i saw your discussion. I got surprised that there is an also user having little same name as me. A little difference bw your and my user name is that you are "armad" and I am "rehmat". I Signed the preferences as your style if you dont mind. - SMSRehmat (Talk) 18:08, 3 March 2014 (UTC)

Pakistan-centric editors

Can I sound you out, please? I've noticed before that some Pakistan-centric contributors really, really don't like to see the word "India" in articles. Obviously, I'm aware of the friction between the two countries but sometimes it seems a bit daft. What, for example, do you think is the common terminology for the area now known as Pakistan in the medieval period? Our Phaphra friend, who is showing early signs of such a centricity, has been driving me mad at Dulla Bhatti but their last edit seemed particularly pedantic, removing a geographic marker on the basis that India did not exist at the time.

In that same article, I noticed that Mughal Empire is given as the birth/death place in the infobox. I know the the Empire was there but it is rarely referred to as a region of birth, just as we do not say someone was born in the British Empire, Holy Roman Empire or Austro-Hungarian Empire. On the other hand, distinguishing a birthplace as British India from India, Pakistan etc does serve a useful purpose for people who were born before 1947 and died after it.

I can't help but think that these devices are designed mainly with the intent of removing as many uses of the "India" word as can be done. Should I call it Bharat instead (joke)? - Sitush (talk) 06:11, 4 March 2014 (UTC)

It can't be more absurd than that. And I share your feeling. Actually earlier I thought someone with magic 8 ball can get us some relief but then I realized that that won't last for long, so why not use the rope. -- SMS ^Talk 09:50, 4 March 2014 (UTC)

• @Sitush First of all, referring to me as Phaphra friend was completely out of line, i have made contributions to articles other than Phaphra. Secondly assuming that someone is showing some kind of centricity is out of line as well. I am not that kind of person who does not want to see word India in the articles. I consider myself very open-minded on that. You are referring to an edit and saying that i removed geographical marker on the basis that India did not exist at that time. You are taking that out of context. Also, you say that i am driving you mad at Dulla Bhatti and i think the same way that you are driving me mad not just at Dulla Bhatti but on many other articles.

First of all, look at what you are insisting there, you are insisting on a text which totally does not make sense, "Dulla Bhatti lived at Pindi Bhattian and then in India". Think about the text you are insisting on. First of all, lets decide what was the name of the region, was that India or Indian Subcontinent, i believe name of the location was Indian Subcontinent and not India at that time because when you put India in there, you are referring to present day India. Secondly, lets assume the name was (Indian Subcontinent or India) now lets define where was Pindi Bhattian. Was it part of (India or Indian Subcontinent) or was it out of India. According to my knowledge Pindi Bhattian was part of that geographical location. So if Pindi Bhattian was already part of India and Dulla Bhatti already lived in India while living in Pindi Bhattian then what does it mean here to say that he lived at Pindi Bhattian and then in India. So "then in India" needs to go from here, it does not make sense. To me you look like Indian-centric when you insist that India must be mentioned there while there is no point to mention that.

Now let's move on to the table, i agree with Smsarmad's edit partially that Mughal Empire does not need to be mentioned as a location but i don't think India would be right as a location there, i think it was Indian Subcontinent and it should be mention as that, when you say India, you are referring to modern day India. Even if we decide to use India as a location there which i don't think i will, still we should not be linking to an article which is about modern day India, we should be linking it to Indian Subcontinent or leave it un-linked.

Since we are talking, i will like to take this opportunity to clear some air between us and this is for both of you. I was invited to join WikiProject Pakistan by Mar4d and along that invitation he gave some tips as well out of which one was keeping Deletion nominations page in my watchlist which i did incidentally. I would like to call myself as keeper (a person who likes to keep and safeguard as much info as possible), both of you appear to me as deleters who try their best to delete stuff. When i put that deletion nomination page in my watchlist, i started voting on nominations and we happened to be in each other's way. It's not a personal thing to me, i swear to God. It's just happening automatically that we are coming in each other's way. I am not trying to target your edits but it seems like when i am voting to keep an article, you seem to think that i am personally targeting you and then you are going after my edits and even if i make a rightful edit, you are trying your best to deny my edits and i don't think it should happen this way.

What's that with warnings bro? I don't issue warnings, why are you doing that every other day while we happen to be doing the same thing.

I am trying my best to satisfy any issues you arise. Trying my best to find sources to save articles and you keep denying and removing my edits. Honestly guys i don't have time for this, i have kids, family and work and i am taking considerable time from those areas which are very important to me and spending it to satisfy the issues you are arising. Please don't so this to me. Thanks. Sajjad Altaf (talk) 14:42, 4 March 2014 (UTC)

Signature

Hello Smsarmad, Please use your complete signature "Smsarmad" because there are so many "Sms"s like me and you. So other people would not be confused. Thanks. SMSRehmat (Talk) 06:41, 5 March 2014 (UTC)

Dr Haneef Shareef

Dr Haneef Shareef article is perfect,completely it had good resources,it had external link with IMDB,All information about this person is given correct,i request to you accept it and do not delete it,Advance Thanks. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Balochi tamur (talk • contribs) 15:42, 6 March 2014 (UTC)

Delete it now please Biographies of Living Persons PROD, from Dr Haneef Shareef my article is completed,look the external links imdb.All are real..Advance thanks to you,Academy award is waiting for you from my side. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Balochi tamur (talk • contribs) 17:27, 6 March 2014 (UTC)

I am a little late in replying and by the time I see Joe Decker has already explained to you, on the article talk page that why it is considered for deletion and how it can be saved/improved. -- SMS ^Talk 00:01, 7 March 2014 (UTC)

Reverting you at AFD

I am so sorry; I was actually trying to thank you for adding the discussion to the appropriate list, but my stupid fat fingers hit the wrong button... Yunshui 雲‍水 12:29, 7 March 2014 (UTC)

Thankyou Yunshui. It happens with everyone. -- SMS ^Talk 12:33, 7 March 2014 (UTC)

And thank you again Yunshui, for digging a little deeper to look for sources, something that I overlooked. -- SMS ^Talk 13:00, 7 March 2014 (UTC)

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Discretionary sanctions 2013 review: Draft v3

Hi. You have commented on Draft v1 or v2 in the Arbitration Committee's 2013 review of the discretionary sanctions system. I thought you'd like to know Draft v3 has now been posted to the main review page. You are very welcome to comment on it on the review talk page. Regards, AGK [•] 00:17, 16 March 2014 (UTC)

Incorrect Application of Wikipedia rules to

SMS.

Your edits and undos to the MM Alam page do not support your justification cited.. Also you are not following proper policies for discussion and conflict resolution. Edits which no way were in copyright violation and were supported by sources were undone, without discussion.

This would lead to appearance of bias. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Barath s (talk • contribs) 23:43, 6 February 2014 (UTC)

Kindly read my message on your talk page and further linked pages regarding the copyright issue. About the other issue I remember I made it clear to you earlier, how you deleted or altered sourced content that you didn't find online or have access to and how it is not acceptable here. If you want to add something, please do it, you are most welcome but don't alter sourced content specially when you can't verify it, or if you have to for some other reason, present your case on the talk when someone does not agree with you. -- SMS ^Talk 21:43, 7 February 2014 (UTC)

I had avoided responding earlier on that, to try to prevent a flame war. Paraphrased wordings and edits which are less than a sentence have also been deleted/undone. under the guise of 'copyright'. Per wikipedia policy, not every source and sentence is sacrosanct and need be carried forward forever. While an earlier draft which shows significant evidence of copypasta is repeatedly reverted to. (for proof, just google some of the initial phrases and look at result time stamps before 2006) I believe the reasoning presented specious. To be constructive, let us look at alternate wordings, thrust of article and identifying specific sentences that you believe objectionable rather than wholesale reverts. Officious alludes to policy regarding banning can be taken as intimidation rather than helpful clarification ~~ — Preceding unsigned comment added by Barath s (talk • contribs) 14:07, 26 February 2014 (UTC)

Add

I agree with you SMS has a habbit for editing just for edit's sake doing useless edits and creating useless articles — Preceding unsigned comment added by 39.32.9.141 (talk) 05:07, 12 February 2014 (UTC)

Add

I also agree with you He is very disappointing person. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 39.48.43.61 (talk) 18:11, 27 February 2014 (UTC)

Why did you revert the Singahi Bhiraura Page

The original editors painstakingly created this page and cited sources from the India office. Later editors deleted large sections of a brilliant article and one said the sources were dubious.They though the India office records were kept in India and had not heard of them. These editors were clear not historians as anyone who has studied the period knows about these records. However you choose to thake their sides and when the original editors removed the vandalism you reverted the article.

Here is the full source from where the research was done on this article.

The India Office Records are the repository of the archives of the East India Company (1600-1858), the Board of Control or Board of Commissioners for the Affairs of India (1784-1858), the India Office (1858-1947), the Burma Office (1937-1948), and a number of related British agencies overseas.

The focus of the India Office Records is in the territories now included in India, Pakistan, Burma and Bangladesh and their administration before 1947. The Records also include source materials for neighbouring or connected areas at different times, covering not only South Asia, but also Southeast Asia, Central Asia, the Middle East, and parts of Africa. The official archives of the India Office Records are complemented by over 300 collections and over 3000 smaller deposits of private papers relating to the British experience in India.

The India Office Records are administered by The British Library as part of the Public Records of the United Kingdom, and are open for public consultation. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 31.55.95.60 (talk) 12:13, 10 March 2014 (UTC)

Stop our enemity

Hello Smsarmad, I am an IP from Yasir72.multan. Ok ok, enough. It is time to stop our enemity. Please you have to tell me that what can i do for my unblocking? what can i do so that all this enemity, socking or attacking stop? You are the one by which i blocked so you have to tell that what can i do that i unblocked? What is the percentage of my chances of unblocking. Your going on deleting and sock puppet considering made me a bad user. Besides Sockpuppets, what is the fault of Yasir72.multan. Please stop the enemity and tell me. If you were on my place so what can you do? Please tell me. Do not forget to reply me. Thanks - 119.160.119.54 (talk) 11:22, 15 March 2014 (UTC)

We are past that. -- SMS ^Talk 12:05, 15 March 2014 (UTC)

Yes, I past that. But it was not a good chance for me. The user Launchballer gave me only one answer, "No". Therefore, i started sockpuppetry again. Then you stole the article on SE wiki. So i come back again to u. Finally, Now i want to ask you that what is way that i can unblock? You are the one who responsible for my blocking so you have to tell or give some suggestions.
Please help me Smsarmad. Only you can help me now. I am facing the trouble from 6 months and a 6-month is an half year. I want to escape from these trouble. How long we fight each other? (to the day of Qayamat?). Please help me. If my primary account unblock, then my all socking and irritating will stop as you want. Help please. Yasir72.multan - 119.160.119.219 (talk) 12:43, 16 March 2014 (UTC)

By past I mean we are past that point where we could have found an amicable resolution. If you think that I "stole the article on SE wiki", you are living in a fool's paradise. And if you think I am responsible for your blocking then its better you stay blocked. Besides that you have serious competence issues and are clearly not here to build an encyclopedia. -- SMS ^Talk 13:34, 16 March 2014 (UTC)

LOL, "not here to built encyclopedia"? Did you ever gave me chance for editing articles? My every edit you reverted. My every request you opposed. It is not right to say that "not here" because you did never give me any chance live comfortably.
@ Stoling, If you did not stole my article so why did you request for their protection on SE wiki's noticeboard? Can you explain? (Yasir72.multan) - 119.160.118.76 (talk) 16:13, 16 March 2014 (UTC)

Chance? You had enough of them. You started with User:Yasir72.multan and were blocked after about a month for advertising. You were then given a chance to continue after staying off for a week but you chose to sock instead and created User:Abcd13.abcd, remained undetected and continued the same behavior, threatened other editors. After that you have created some three dozen socks, using which you attacked other editors, impersonated them, did disruptive edits, used Wikipedia as a webhost, etc. And you were given a chance each time to correct your behavior but you didn't. Talking of explicit chances, you were given standard offer by Nawlinwiki some time ago, on your own request to get unblocked but you didn't take it. How many chances do you want? And I say it again your belief that "I stole your article" just shows that you are not competent enough to be productive here, and I don't want to disturb your stay at the paradise by explaining anything. And with this understanding of all the issues relating you, I am very much sure you are not getting unblocked even after 6 months. -- SMS ^Talk 16:01, 17 March 2014 (UTC)

Since you think that I stole your article by creating another account User:Mar4d, I welcome you to file a report at WP:SPI with the evidence that I stole your article while abusing the Sock puppetry policy. -- SMS ^Talk 16:15, 17 March 2014 (UTC)

Signature

Dear Sarmad
Thanks for you letter,I pasted my signature code their, but when I tried to save it
error message appeared, ( Invalid raw signature. Check HTML tags.)
I don't know what is wrong, it works fine at my sand page.
Can you please check my sand page and see what is wrong? I shall be extremely grateful.
best wishes and regards
--Aftab Banoori (talk) 11:41, 16 March 2014 (UTC)

@Aftab Banoori I think there is some length restriction. I have tried reducing the size of your code, I hope it will work fine. You will need to copy it to your preferences again. -- SMS ^Talk 12:14, 16 March 2014 (UTC)

My Dear Mr. Sarmad !!!
I am so glad it works fine now
thanks once again for your help
I am really very grateful
Aftab Banoori ^{(Contributions) (Talk)} 17:32, 16 March 2014 (UTC)

You are welcome. -- SMS ^Talk 16:01, 17 March 2014 (UTC)

Some more diffs

Just thought I should give you other diffs: point of view on the Anti-Muslim violence in India were he makes it seem like attacks "occasionally" happen we're the article itself states the complete opposite. Original research on the Hinduism in Pakistan where claims varies things. He has also engaged in forum shopping (here, this is my original ANI report about him were a list a few of them and other problems with this user). I would give you more diffs on this specific issue, but I don't have the time to do so (maybe later); though there are also other issues more problematic. Most of those that did respond to his request stated "no". Yet, instead of respecting the outcome he went and used sock puppetry (see here for two more and If he is not banned for this I will make my own investigation section). I don't see why he is allowed to edit on Wikipedia, let alone these types of articles when he constantly does this even after being told to stop. AcidSnow (talk) 15:55, 16 March 2014 (UTC)

I have edit his sock puppetry and his forum shopping to the report. You can add the POV and the OR diffs too if you want. AcidSnow (talk) 17:31, 16 March 2014 (UTC)

Here is another diff where he adds the mob attack, here. You should also mention how he posted it more than once on the page; which can clearly bee seen in the diff provided. Not just those, but how makes a drastic change to the lead of the Anti-Muslim violence in India page. If you need anything else don't hesitate to ask me. AcidSnow (talk) 20:09, 16 March 2014 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Enforcement

You made a report at Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Enforcement#Khabboos. In it you complained about Khabboos falsifying sources. Please could you explain these carefully in your report. If you look at Talk:Hinduism in Pakistan#Fake citations you will see a way of doing it that worked.--Toddy1 (talk) 16:22, 16 March 2014 (UTC)

Thank you for the directing me to that discussion, I am still sifting through it for any violations that happened after he was warned. -- SMS ^Talk 19:50, 16 March 2014 (UTC)

You might want to rejoin now. AcidSnow (talk) 18:43, 17 March 2014 (UTC)

Rogue edits

Hello Smsarmad. If you have time, can you please look into edits being done in Monarchy of Pakistan, and subsequently any other edits that relate with the subject matter; such as Dominion of Pakistan. The latest complete content removal in the article clearly shows his lack of knowledge on the history of Pakistan; his lack of understanding of what a Dominion is as well as not understanding the responsibilities of a Governor General; the irony. He becomes quite, in his own words, "confrontational", about wanting to label things which he has no knowledge about as "controversial" and goes ahead editing history to adjust the way how he makes sense (or rationalizes) his image of what Pakistan is without any reliable source. Thanks. lilpiglet 17:55, 17 March 2014 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Lilpiglet (talk • contribs)

Hi Lilpiglet, if you don't mind I will take some time to look at this. -- SMS ^Talk 13:55, 18 March 2014 (UTC)

Hey @Smsarmad: I didn't get to see your message until now and that too just happened because I wanted to see what the drama was all about and what seemed as if someone who was wagging a war of attrition was in fact was busy. Great job ... one day I will ask in detail how look for clues for being a sock puppet; I thought him and Stallions2010 may have been, not that Stallions ever was confrontational with me, but the edit styles and times. Take your time, If there needs to be further edits, will just do it in the talk pages here. Talk soon. --lilpiglet 19:04, 18 March 2014 (UTC)

Reports of your Death

Masoooo has everyone believing you're dead over here. Can you please dispel the rumours and reply to someone for a change? —  UzEE  18:34, 18 March 2014 (UTC)

I am surely going to get beaten up by a lot of people there for not answering them for so long. -- SMS ^Talk 21:09, 18 March 2014 (UTC)

And by your comments it more looked like if I am sitting at a bar and kind of regularly do that. -- SMS ^Talk 21:46, 18 March 2014 (UTC)

Will talk to Masoooo (← didn't it had more than six o's) after making sure that he is not going to beat me. So please don't spill it over here till then. -- SMS ^Talk 22:50, 18 March 2014 (UTC)

Hi Sarmad for the great ahai — Preceding unsigned comment added by Ahai494 (talk • contribs) 19:00, 18 March 2014‎ (UTC)

The spam guy, how are you. I am sorry if you felt that I was WP:BITEy. As I knew (Ahai494) its you and why you are here. -- SMS ^Talk 21:09, 18 March 2014 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Sockpuppet investigations/Darkness Shines

You'll see this is the first time a sock has filed an SPI, that too against you! I just can't stop laughing over this. ROFLMAO. – Soham (talk) 06:15, 19 March 2014 (UTC)

@Soham: Actually it was his second, he used one of the socks to file against you, page has since been deleted Darkness Shines (talk) 06:22, 19 March 2014 (UTC)

Darkness, Huh? Looks like those who fight for WP:NPOV, WP:RS stands no chance against these bloody socks! It all started here for me folks. – Soham (talk) 06:29, 19 March 2014 (UTC)

Lol, Looks like it was fun yesterday that I missed. And it was the third SPI for DS that is going to be deleted. Btw Salvio should have mentioned LX SPI page in the block summary of the socks instead of DS's SPI that is going to be deleted.

Soham I think you are now familiar with LX, so will be helpful if you keep a watch for his socks at Bollywood articles, before he annoys other newbies. -- SMS ^Talk 08:32, 19 March 2014 (UTC)

• Yup, count on me. If I see him turning up again, I'll use my experience and hawk-eyes to report him fast—before he bites newbies. – Soham (talk) 09:43, 19 March 2014 (UTC)

Date of Birth Issue

Hi. You have undo the changes in the Abdul Khaliq (athlete) in info box of date of birth and you give the reason of the source. You are right but in that source date of birth is not correct and as you know this person has died but in that source he is not because it is not updated as well. i request you to make it correct. Thanx --Capt.Malik (talk) 17:57, 20 March 2014 (UTC)

Hi

Hi i'm official Content writer of CM Punjab my latest contributes are authentic So plz verify these. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Badrijutt (talk • contribs) 11:38, 20 March 2014 (UTC)

In your edit, you added an image that was copyright protected, so can't be used here. The other change you did was the order of his appointment, which according to this list is 17th, the term may be 24th but we are not talking about the term here. The third change in your edit was addition of a government website as official website of the subject, which it is not. It is the official site of the position he is holding currently. I hope you got your answer. And please take a look at Wikipedia's Conflict of Interest guideline. -- SMS ^Talk 19:09, 20 March 2014 (UTC)

Not sure what's going on at Total Siyapaa

But maybe you could take it to the talk page to avoid edit wars? It seems like there's way too much reverting going on in the revision history. – FenixFeather ^{(talk)(Contribs)} 14:36, 25 March 2014 (UTC)

Total_Siyapaa#Infobox_budget_figures_discussion

You are invited to join the discussion at Talk:Total_Siyapaa#Infobox_budget_figures_discussion. I started a discussion to avoid the edit warring that is going on in the article right now. See if you can contribute. Thanks! – FenixFeather ^{(talk)(Contribs)} 15:11, 25 March 2014 (UTC)

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