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June 2020

Hello, I'm AntanO. I noticed that you recently removed content from Sri Lankan Tamils without adequately explaining why. In the future, it would be helpful to others if you described your changes to Wikipedia with an accurate edit summary. If this was a mistake, don't worry; the removed content has been restored. If you would like to experiment, please use the sandbox. If you think I made a mistake, or if you have any questions, you can leave me a message on my talk page. Thanks. AntanO 01:55, 27 June 2020 (UTC)

I have included edit summaries or why I removed those passages, please read the edit descriptions and get back to me please. Oz346 (talk) 12:56, 27 June 2020 (UTC)

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Dear Diannaa please bear with me I will ensure all accounts are adequately differently paraphrased or minimally quoted before submission. Thanks Oz346 (talk) 13:30, 4 November 2020 (UTC)

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Congratulations on making the murder of 3,000 Tamils look like a political act ("organised by members of the ruling UNP") rather than the racist mob violence driven by hatred, envy and jealousy. This will be lapped by Rajapaksa supporters, war crimes deniers and alike.--Obi2canibe (talk) 18:55, 3 January 2021 (UTC)

Editing civil war, massacre and pogrom articles can be a thankless job and for some people can lead stress and conflict as it did for me. You are doing your best to maintain neutrality and using reliable sources to edit, keep up the good work. Kanatonian (talk)

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Please note even a draft cannot have any copyrighted material not just the final article version .Hence would suggest that you type offline and put the final version online.Pharaoh of the Wizards (talk) 00:31, 20 February 2021 (UTC)

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Please note even a draft cannot have any copyrighted material not just the final article version .Hence would suggest that you type offline and put the final version online.Pharaoh of the Wizards (talk) 00:31, 20 February 2021 (UTC)

A barnstar for you!

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	Please keep up the good work Pharaoh of the Wizards (talk) 00:23, 20 February 2021 (UTC)

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Tamil Eelam

Can you explain how the reference claim that it's still supported?. A referendum that happened more than 40 years ago is not a source to say that it's still supported and Self-published material are not reliable sources. Amritsvāraya (talk) 16:15, 17 September 2021 (UTC)

Read the ICG reference.Oz346 (talk) 16:41, 17 September 2021 (UTC)

• That report is almost 11 years old. And, It's the opinion of diaspora members which accounts for only a fraction of the SL Tamil population.Amritsvāraya (talk) 16:46, 17 September 2021 (UTC)

Well this is the thing, every referendum or survey to date which was asked to Tamil people whether in SL or abroad (during and after the war), majority said yes they do support Tamil Eelam. Now you cannot assume their opinion is no longer the case, just because another referendum or survey has not been carried out in the last 10 years. You should also know that it is illegal to show support for a separate state in Sri Lanka, so Tamil people in the island do not have the freedom of speech to even express their opinions. Also diaspora accounts for a 1/3 of SL Tamil population. Oz346 (talk) 16:53, 17 September 2021 (UTC)

Please cite your sources when making arguments. You can't just claim things. It's illegal to show support for a separate state anywhere. Amritsvāraya (talk) 17:02, 17 September 2021 (UTC)

"It's illegal to show support for a separate state anywhere." Ever heard of independence referendums?

https://en.wiki.x.io/wiki/2014_Scottish_independence_referendum

The whole world is not Sri Lanka.Oz346 (talk) 17:10, 17 September 2021 (UTC)

Scotland is already a country the referendum was for independence from the United Kingdom. which is vastly different from the SL situation. And, for god's sake stop making personal attacks Amritsvāraya (talk) 17:16, 17 September 2021 (UTC)

Stop making false accusations of personal attacks.Oz346 (talk) 17:18, 17 September 2021 (UTC)

You just said "The whole world is not Sri Lanka" Amritsvāraya (talk) 17:20, 17 September 2021 (UTC)

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Sri Lanka Armed Forces

If you haven't read the current talk page consensus, it is to have the Sri Lankan Armed Forces article the same as foreign forces like the United States Armed Forces, Tatmadaw, People's Liberation Army, Indonesian National Armed Forces etc etc none of which have a Human rights/Violations section even though all have a massive list of historical and ongoing Human rights violations. Myanmar alone have numerous issues mainly the situation in Rakhine state. The US has torture camps and war crimes across the globe or even contentious Israel Defense Forces page doesn't have them. The crimes of a state are extensively detailed in massive entire pages dedicated to them like United States war crimes and for Sri Lanka you got State terrorism and Sri Lanka. Ongoing Human Right violations should also go to the Human rights page of the relevant nation.- Thank you

There is no consensus on that talk page. Please show me the consensus, I will revert your edits. This amounts to censorship. Oz346 (talk) 09:24, 21 December 2021 (UTC)

The consensus to remove the section was already in 2013 and there was no further objections from the editor that initially supported inclusion. Its not censorship there is an entire massive page against state in State terrorism and Sri Lanka. If you believe you WP:POV is more significant than other countries or the rest you can keep on pushing it or revert as promised and edit the proper page. Thank You-UmdP 10:13, 21 December 2021 (UTC)

That's not consensus, that's one party of users ganging up to get their way. The dissenting party did not agree. There was no evidence of agreement on the talk page. 'no further objections' does not mean they agreed. Here let's ask user @Obi2canibe: himself if he actually agreed by his silence and if there was a consensus. Oz346 (talk) 10:30, 21 December 2021 (UTC)

Nope. If you do not argue against it then you have not opposed it. However now you have the WP:BURDEN for the content as you re-added it. You will have to explain why your WP:POV is special than Vietnam, Iraq, Afghanistan, Rakhines, Xinjiang, Palestine etc. -10:36, 21 December 2021 (UTC)

Just because SL armed forces is a state armed actor does not give it a pass to not have a subsection dedicated to it's human rights violations. For example, it's main opposing party the LTTE has huge reams of text describing it's violations. You can't make your own rules up. There is no wiki policy saying that armed state actors get their crimes/human rights violations hidden way in their main page. Oz346 (talk) 10:41, 21 December 2021 (UTC)

LTTE, Hamas and Taliban are individual organizations not a institution within a state, their actions straight goes to them not a larger instittion that controls them. The same goes for Bodu Bala Sena in SL. What US armed forces did in Vietnam or Afghanistan is the responsbility of the US State. Again explain why your WP:POV is more important than other countries. Why Sri Lankan Armed Forces be different from the pages of American Armed Forces, Israel Defense Forces etc.? You are now just WP:POV pushing. The WP:BURDEN for its inclusion is on YOU. -UmdP 10:47, 21 December 2021 (UTC)

No Sri Lankan Armed Forces are an armed actor just like the LTTE, they fought a conventional war with each other for decades. Your first paragraph is irrelevant and does not make any sense. It doesn't explain why human right violations committed by the Sri Lankan Armed forces should not be mentioned on it's main page as a subsection. Especially considering the gigantic amount of violations it has committed. The primary culpability and responsibility of the crimes goes to the organisation which carried them out (the Sri Lankan Armed forces). Responsibility can't be shifted to justify censorship.Oz346 (talk) 10:58, 21 December 2021 (UTC)

Your comparison to LTTE which is an independant organization with a military of a state. Your claim also applies to Israel Defence Force which has been fighting for much longer time and Israel, United States, UK, Tatmadaw has committed "gigantic amount of violations". So what makes Sri Lankan Armed Forces special to follow your WP:POV.? -UmdP 11:02, 21 December 2021 (UTC)

Yes human rights violations can be mentioned in its own subsection in all these armed groups if there are reliable sources, there is no Wikipedia rule saying they are exempt or qualify for censorship. Oz346 (talk) 11:05, 21 December 2021 (UTC)

Using WP:Censorship isn't pushing any argument. So why not add them to US Armed Forces and Israeli Armed Forces? The consensus in them is also to keep it in history sections rather than creating a separate section. It is certainly not WP:NPOV to add it to SL Armed Forces when there is an entire page on Sri Lankan state crimes alone which the LTTE doesn't thus they have in their own page. -UmdP 11:14, 21 December 2021 (UTC)

That's factually untrue, the LTTE has dedicated pages to it's violations such as attacks, yet these are regurgitated in its main page too. Yes you are welcome to add them to Israeli and US armed forces if they of due weight and backed up by reliable sources.Oz346 (talk) 11:31, 21 December 2021 (UTC)

How is it factually untrue when LTTE and GoSL have list of attacks while others are for generic war crimes committed, but only GoSL have its own page entirely on [[State . No I am not "welcome" to add it to any Armed Force and just having WP:RS and WP:WEIGHT alone doesn't mean you can add whatever you want. As there is a separate page you cannot create a separate section for for US Armed Forces and the same goes for Israel. So what makes your WP:POV superior than that?. -11:42, 21 December 2021 (UTC)

Look this isn't going anywhere, your points do not make any sense to me. You are welcome to get a third opinion on whether you can censor the human right violations of a state armed actor from its own page.Oz346 (talk) 12:11, 21 December 2021 (UTC)

Because you don't want to WP:LISTEN, not making sense is not an argument same as claiming you don't see the consensus in 2013 just to WP:POVPUSH. The Consensus is to add the content into the History section with a separate section which is also the consensus in the US Armed Forces talk page as both have separate articles entirely dedicated for State crimes alone. -UmdP 12:27, 21 December 2021 (UTC)

That's not 'consensus', the user Cossde who was using sock puppets did not get agreement from the dissenting party.

Here is a definition of 'consensus'

'CONSENSUS is a general agreement about something : an idea or opinion that is shared by all the people in a group' Oz346 (talk) 12:29, 21 December 2021 (UTC)

Since 2013 there have been no dispute and thus there is consensus on the organization not just in Sri Lankan Armed Forces but also in other pages as I showed above. Denying it a decade later is meaningless. Yeah nice definition but WP:CONSENSUS clearly states "Consensus on Wikipedia does not mean unanimity". So yes WP:CONSENSUS is achieved, using a contradictory definition doesn't mean if you are talking about the wiki policy. -UmdP 12:35, 21 December 2021 (UTC)

No WP:CONSENSUS was never achieved. I seriously doubt if the dissenting user Obi2canibe in 2013 ever agreed with this diktat. He most likely gave up in exasperation, as he has done in other edit conflicts with the same user Cossde. There is certainly no consensus, you cannot force through and make up your own rules. The next step in this dispute would be to get a neutral 3rd party involved. Oz346 (talk) 12:41, 21 December 2021 (UTC)

You can easily go for WP:3O if you want. Changing the definition of WP:CONSENSUS doesn't mean anything. You don't need to agree with anything only not disagree with the change. -UmdP 12:50, 21 December 2021 (UTC)

@UMDP: I have listed for third opinion as agreed Wikipedia:Third opinion#Active disagreements. thanks Oz346 (talk) 13:15, 21 December 2021 (UTC)

Nice try whoever tried to hack into my account, but you can't hide the truth by hook or crook.Oz346 (talk) 15:29, 21 December 2021 (UTC)

Are you accusing me of trying to hack your account? -UmdP 15:46, 21 December 2021 (UTC)

@UMDP: No I am NOT accusing you. But there is someone watching this dispute who is not happy with my edits today and is trying to hack into my account:

I will contact the admins to trace the IP of this attempt. Oz346 (talk) 16:18, 21 December 2021 (UTC)

Ok. Sorry about that. I think you should contact a WP:CheckUser through the active CheckUser list if you believe that there is a serious threat and probably add some extra layer of protection if you haven't already. Thank You- UmdP 16:29, 21 December 2021 (UTC)

Also I am going to remind you that you need achieve WP:CONSENSUS first as the person with the WP:BURDEN. So until it is achieved the added content must be removed. Thank You. -17:09, 22 December 2021 (UTC)

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