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Hi Natrium and thanks for writing those articles on Dutch people. I have set your account as WP:Autopatrolled and also as WP:Pending changes reviewer as sooner or later you are bound to have some pending changes edits appear on your watchlist. ϢereSpielChequers 12:25, 11 April 2020 (UTC)

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Justinian I - unsourced material

I replied to your old msg on the TP. Regards 50.111.14.1 (talk) 20:14, 25 April 2020 (UTC)

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Historum

What's happening on Historum after my banning from there? Did anything good and/or interesting happen? Also, did anyone else get banned from Historum? If so, who? Futurist110 (talk) 20:08, 9 October 2020 (UTC)

Guevarist Mayan Was banned permanently (again) NatriumGedrogt (talk) 21:51, 9 October 2020 (UTC)

Odd made a thread where Wellington fans can debate him, there’s a musician’s draft game, VHS made a thread about easy to learn languages and Angelica is asking for advice with domestic abuse to help a friend. Those are the [not so] big things going on right now. NatriumGedrogt (talk) 21:53, 9 October 2020 (UTC)

I’m pretty sure the essay contest is de facto abandoned as well, though they did create a thread to show the medals. NatriumGedrogt (talk) 21:54, 9 October 2020 (UTC)

Who is Odd? Oda Nobunaga? Futurist110 (talk) 07:44, 10 October 2020 (UTC)

Yes, autocorrect. NatriumGedrogt (talk) 11:42, 10 October 2020 (UTC)

Gotcha! BTW, I've got a little surprise for you! Look right below! ;) Futurist110 (talk) 07:11, 11 October 2020 (UTC)

A barnstar for you!

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		For all of your extremely hard work on Wikipedia, here is a barnstar for you! Enjoy it! After all, you certainly deserve it! Futurist110 (talk) 07:11, 11 October 2020 (UTC)

Thank you! NatriumGedrogt (talk) 17:58, 11 October 2020 (UTC)

No problem! :) You deserve it! :) BTW, I've got a counterfactual history question for you: What do you think that Russia's trajectory over the last 103 years would have looked like in the absence of the Bolshevik Revolution in 1917? Futurist110 (talk) 21:36, 11 October 2020 (UTC)

Well, at the time of the October Revolution Kerensky was cracking down on people with other opinions and de-democratising local government and the army. Across the country peasants and soldiers were violently redistributing land on their own. The Kerensky government was dominated by people who opposed this land redistribution so their response would probably be violent. Since the Soviet agricultural policy, even under Stalin, had widespread support among poor peasants and that of the Republicans had not I would envision some major changes in the Russian economy. 1: Ukraine, Central Asia and the Caucasus could feasibly secede since the Ukrainian peasants were a major force and Kerensky’s policy was very unpopular among the soldiers and peasants meaning he would probably not have the manpower to retain the non-Russian regions 2: as a result of the Republic’s focus on landholders and richer peasants a strong base for a capitalist economy would develop but without the Soviet industrial programmes Russia would probably mainly export grain and raw resources, the most valuable of which were lost because of Ukrainian and Caucasian independence. The lack of harbours, industry, valuable resources and the relatively low quality of Russian farmland would probably entail a Russia not dissimilar to Namibia today. 3: Ukraine, because of its natural advantages, would probably take Russia’s place as the main industrial base of Eastern Europe as well as the primary exporter of iron and coal so instead of Russia Ukraine would probably become Eastern Europe’s largest power while the Caucasian states with their oil would probably be more akin to Kuwait economywise and as such probably be at least somewhat rich and relatively big players in East European and Middle-Near Eastern politics. This scenario would also probably entail a geographically bigger Ukraine and under Petliura would probably 1: have a strong welfare state, workers democracy etc. and 2: have a better relation with the West since it was not communist and seemingly didn’t want to a port their revolution and had a bunch to useful natural resources ready to be invested in. This would also mean a more positive image for socialism, mainly associated with Petliura and Sun Yat Sen. The Bolsheviks probably the Mensheviks and Left SRs would be banned in Russia as would most other left and many centre and right wing movements. Either Kerensky would be overthrown by the Black Hundreds or he would remain de facto dictator of a “democracy” that was about as democratic as the Democratic People’s Republic of Korea. The result for China would probably be that the rapid rise of Marxism wouldn’t take place so Anarchism would remain the main far-left current though these would probably not be able to overthrow the Republic. NatriumGedrogt (talk) 13:12, 18 October 2020 (UTC)

The world would be so different that the event bearing the name WWII would at least be an entirely different conflict from our WWII and possibly there would not be a second such war at all. Perhaps we would see an era dominated by conferences of various great powers (US, UK, ROC, France, Germany, Italy, Ukraine; perhaps Spain, Russia or the Netherlands as well) with shifting alliances rather than a split between two camps. Without our WWII France and Britain would keep their Empires a while but France was demographically in decline and not the economic and military power it once was so its pretty useless empire would not allow it to gain dominant status, Britain was economically in decline because it had destroyed the export markets in its empire in order to fund the industry that was supposed to do the exporting. The USA was only shaken from its isolationism by WWII and China wouldn’t have the industrial capacity to take centre stage so a new global balance of power might be made between all these powers and shape world politics around it. NatriumGedrogt (talk) 13:39, 18 October 2020 (UTC)

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Regarding your description in the philosophy section

Hi. I saw that you were interested in Marx. You might want to help out building the page "Critique of political economy". Any help would be very much appreciated. Thank you for your efforts to spread knowledge. Pauloroboto (talk) 15:28, 5 October 2021 (UTC)

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It’s not a draft. It’s a translation. Translations are allowed, if I remember correctly, at the standards of the Wiki it is translated from. On Dutch wiki it is not customary to cite sources. Instead they add a bibliography. I didn’t copy the bibliography because I cannot know whether it was used as a source for the part the article I translated. The only objection that can be made in this, I believe, is that I did not translate the entire article. NatriumGedrogt (talk) 22:13, 7 October 2022 (UTC)

Edit summary (Lev Shestov)

While I agree with your edits, and in fact added a few of my own in the same direction (it's historically correct and follows WP:KYIV), to say you were "Replacing Ukrainian spelling with proper English spelling" is incorrect, as both are acceptable in English, neither is, in fact, Ukrainian (both are transliterations after all), and the tendency is to privilege the latter over the former. Cheers. Ostalgia (talk) 18:37, 2 October 2022 (UTC)

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