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Hello nice to meet you. You seem like the right guy to ask about this. Could you tell me how to use it as I wish to help, or point me in the right direction to a page or such. Thanks The4lines |||| ^{(You Asked?) (What I have Done.)} 04:12, 3 May 2020 (UTC)

The4lines, Thanks a lot for offering help! User:EranBot/Copyright/rc is a good start. Some advice on things not covered there:

• If you aren't sure if something is a violation, leave the report alone or defer to an admin whose in the know with copyright, like me, Diannaa, or Sphilbrick.
• When giving a warning for copyright, use the TW message for newer users first, then use a tougher one if they've had previous warnings for copyright.
• iThenticate reports tend to be better than comparisons. When checking a violation, they should be your first choice.
• Be wary of unattributed in wiki copyring, which happens a lot. If the given url has the word "wiki" or "blogspot" in it, then that's almost always a sign of unattributed inwiki copying.
• I'll do some reviews on copypatrol right now and then relay what I did in each case so you can get a better understanding. Moneytrees🌴^{Talk🌲Help out at CCI!} 16:12, 3 May 2020 (UTC)

Thanks, no problem, I saw that removing copyvio always needs more hands to help! :) Just ping me when your done. Thanks, The4lines |||| ^{(You Asked?) (What I have Done.)} 16:26, 3 May 2020 (UTC)

The4lines, Alright, here's some reports I just handled:

• Here's a pretty obvious false positive. A few words are similar, but they're just proper nouns.
• here's an acceptable quote
• here's a clear cut case of close paraphrasing. I reverted, revdeled, and gave the ip a first offence warning
• Here's a more complex one. This user, JoJan, regularly shows up at copypatrol, copying from Public domain sources. He'll attribute it later, but I added a PD tag in the reference so you could see what to do in situations where there is unattributed public domain copying. I marked it as no action because he would fix it later.
• example of copying form an earlier revison of the same article, so no action
• This is one of those really complicated ones. Travel sites often copy from wikis, so I click "full source view" on the iThenticate report to see that aztux.com copied the text from wikitravel.org, which is a mirror of Wikivoyage, meaning that that it's an unattributed copy from there. I make an edit as required noting this, and then leave a notice at the users talk page. Stuff like this is fortunately very uncommon.
• This is an obvious violation, but I can't just revert because of subsequent edits, so I restore the revision before the copyvio was inserted and leave the user a first offence warning.
• Here's a clear cut violation of a journal. It was already reverted so I just revdeled the edit.
• This user is making promo edits, so I just revert their edits, revdel the one with the copyvio, and leave a warning about promotion.
• This was already reverted and revdeled, but MER-C forgot to mark the report as fixed, so I did it for him.
• This isn't a violation, but I revert the edit anyways as unneeded.

A little more advice: User:EranBot/Copyright/User whitelist the users listed here are regulars at copypatrol and tend to not violate copyright. Sometimes, when you revert someone, they will come to you with a confrontational response. In these cases, be cordial and honest as possible. If you don't know how to respond, email me and I can intervene. I recommend installing User:Enterprisey/cv-revdel for easy revdels if you haven't already.

As a test, tell me what you think should be done in the case. Good luck! Moneytrees🌴^{Talk🌲Help out at CCI!} 17:37, 3 May 2020 (UTC)

It is a copyvio? I think we should remove all copyrighted stuff. The4lines |||| ^{(You Asked?) (What I have Done.)} 18:48, 3 May 2020 (UTC)

The4lines, Correct! The entire thing was copied from here. Moneytrees🌴^{Talk🌲Help out at CCI!} 18:53, 3 May 2020 (UTC)

Yay I’m not as clueless about Copyvios as I think! Thanks The4lines |||| ^{(You Asked?) (What I have Done.)} 18:56, 3 May 2020 (UTC)

Thanks for the help! I guess I’ll see you around removing copyvios :) The4lines |||| ^{(You Asked?) (What I have Done.)} 19:59, 3 May 2020 (UTC)

[ https://en.wiki.x.io/w/index.php?title=Durban_North_College&diff=prev&oldid=954696506] Check the diff before this one. Thanks The4lines |||| ^{(You Asked?) (What I have Done.)} 20:34, 3 May 2020 (UTC)

The4lines,  Done Moneytrees🌴^{Talk🌲Help out at CCI!} 20:41, 3 May 2020 (UTC)

Perfect, Thanks I enjoy this. The4lines |||| ^{(You Asked?) (What I have Done.)} 20:46, 3 May 2020 (UTC)

[1] Another copyvio The4lines |||| ^{(You Asked?) (What I have Done.)} 21:07, 3 May 2020 (UTC)

Taken care of Moneytrees🌴^{Talk🌲Help out at CCI!} 22:48, 3 May 2020 (UTC)

Thanks for your help! Now I won’t take any of your removing copyvio time :) Thanks again, The4lines |||| ^{(You Asked?) (What I have Done.)} 00:22, 4 May 2020 (UTC)

The4lines, Nah it's fine, I'm happy to help. The more people in the know, the less work I need to do. Moneytrees🌴^{Talk🌲Help out at CCI!} 00:24, 4 May 2020 (UTC)

Well now you have a bit less work to do! The4lines |||| ^{(You Asked?) (What I have Done.)} 01:38, 4 May 2020 (UTC)

RD1 tagging

Dude - you don't have to tag it if you've already done it. :-) I mean, I'm happy to come behind you and check if you like, but once you've done it, the tag just puts it into the category and then somebody has to go remove it and if that someone is me, you know how cranky I can get. Ample examples of this crankiness are available on the list. There are so many people I have to annoy and so little time. :-D

So yeah, don't need to tag for stuff you've already done. Questions, complaints, recipes for macarons (yum), you know where to find me. ;-) Katie^talk 21:07, 2 May 2020 (UTC)

KrakatoaKatie, Yeah I knew that, when I'm revdeling a lot of revisions that would be annoying to do one by one, I'll mark the article with a revdel notice using the User:Enterprisey/cv-revdel script, and then using User:Enterprisey/url-select-revdel to autoselect and revdel the right revisions. I'll usually remove the revdel notice after I'm done, but sometimes I forget to. I'll try and remember I put the notices down next time. Sorry I wasted your time :p Moneytrees🌴^{Talk🌲Help out at CCI!} 21:17, 2 May 2020 (UTC)

Aw, you're never a waste of time. :-) I saw one that you had done yet tagged, and I thought to leave a note, but figured it was a newish admin thing and let it go. Then I saw a second one, and I thought I should say something in case you were having trouble with something. Glad to know it's the script, but yeah, there are some fussy admins who will dump on you like a ton of bricks for not removing the revdel tag. God forbid someone makes them take ten seconds to remove a tag when they could be doing Important Admin Things. ;-) Shout if you need anything. Katie^talk 17:23, 3 May 2020 (UTC)

On page histories, you can check one revision then ⇧ Shift+click another one to select the whole range. — JJMC89 (T·C) 20:11, 3 May 2020 (UTC)

JJMC89, Thanks, thats a real life saver. How did you even find out about that? Moneytrees🌴^{Talk🌲Help out at CCI!} 00:27, 4 May 2020 (UTC)

Shift clicking is something that I expect to work in most cases. — JJMC89 (T·C) 02:00, 4 May 2020 (UTC)

Revdel request

Hello, there was a large copyvio added to the LifeLock article in this edit which I just removed. Could you please revdel it? Thanks, M Imtiaz (talk · contribs) 23:57, 6 May 2020 (UTC)

M Imtiaz,  Done. Moneytrees🌴^{Talk🌲Help out at CCI!} 00:06, 7 May 2020 (UTC)

Thank you so much! M Imtiaz (talk · contribs) 00:09, 7 May 2020 (UTC)

Wentworth Park, Nova Scotia

Hello. It is probably worth mentioning that my main employer, for the last 32 years, is the Cape Breton Regional Municipality (CBRM). I am the Operations Supervisor for the CBRM Recreation, Parks & Grounds Department, and as such, one of the things I do is edit parts of various CBRM Websites, such as: www.cbrm.ns.ca and www.makinwavesfestival.ca

Most of the 'History' is quoted verbatim from 'Ekistics Planning and Design in association with ADI Ltd. (4 December 2003). Wentworth Park Revitalization Plan: Final Report. Halifax, NS: Planning Department, Cape Breton Regional Municipality. p. 3.' so it is really our webiste: www.makinwavesfestival.ca that is copying from our 2003 report, not the other way around. Again, we own both websites anyway.

Toward the end, before it was disbanded, the 'Friends of Wentworth Park Society' was also in our hands (as we had to manage teh government grans and other funding, as well as the tenders, contracting, and overall supervision) so I feel I can use information from that source, as we ended up owning those copyrights as well: www.wentworthpark.org

The society's final was Board of Directors:

• Alan Peddle, Out-going Chair
• CBRM District 6 Municipal Councillor Ray Paruch (now deceased)
• Manager, CBRM Parks & Grounds Bill Murphy (now Director, CBRM Recreation, Parks & Grounds, Buildings, and Facilities)
• CBRM By-Laws, Mary Ann Vuletich
• Doug Arsenault
• Todd Gouthro
• Norma Jean McPhee (CBC Radio)
• CBRM District 5 Municipal Councillor Eldon MacDonald
• Tom Lynch

Most of what I have 'borrowed' from those sites, that I have used in Wentworth Park, Nova Scotia was written either by me, or someone who works for me, so I felt it was easier to use it, rather than write it all over again. There is probably an official way to give a release on what I've written elsewhere, so I can use it here but I don't know how to do that. Any suggestions? Ken Heaton (talk) 20:34, 4 May 2020 (UTC)

Ken Heaton, a common situation; WP:DONATETEXT has the associated steps for releasing the texts under appropriate licenses. I would also recommend reading The conflict of interest guidelines. Moneytrees🌴^{Talk🌲Help out at CCI!} 22:04, 4 May 2020 (UTC)

Moneytrees, I'll read through the WP:DONATETEXT shortly and try to figure out how that works. I had a quick look at The conflict of interest guidelines. It seems to me, as I'm writing the Wikipedia stuff on my own time (over the weekend in this case), because I think it notable enough for inclusion in Wikipedia, and I don't expect any compensation for my work here, and I'm attempting to keep an impartial point of view, I think I'm OK there, others may not agree. Thanks for your help and suggestions. Ken Heaton (talk) 22:31, 4 May 2020 (UTC)

Talk:Wentworth Park, Nova Scotia‎ ‎ OTRS permission added, 17:55, 6 May 2020‎, thank you for your help with this. Ken Heaton (talk) 16:01, 7 May 2020 (UTC)

Surprised by your deletion

I am really surprised that you deleted the information as I clearly referenced the author in the text itself and attributed it to her. Nevertheless I hope this is satisfactory unless I am not seeing something[2], if you still believe this is not correct let me know and I will rephrase it accordingly. --MyMoloboaccount (talk) 20:47, 8 May 2020 (UTC)

MyMoloboaccount, Actually, ignore that revert, I'll restore the text; I'm guessing you copied from this site, which notes that the article is CC BY 4.0 licensed. The pdf version I saw in the iThenticate report doesn't have that license on it, which led to the revert. A {{CC-notice|cc=by4|url=|author(s)=}} should have been used for attribution, although most people don't know about it so it's ok. I'll remove the warning, sorry for the hassle. Moneytrees🌴^{Talk🌲Help out at CCI!} 21:19, 8 May 2020 (UTC)

Thank you for clearing this up ! Have a good day :) --MyMoloboaccount (talk) 21:47, 8 May 2020 (UTC)

Thanks for the heads up

Just here to thanks for the clarification of copyright material, was a misunderstanding, Whats a good measure for knowing how much to quote a source before it breaches copyright? Even when source is mentioned?EliteArcher88 (talk) 21:38, 8 May 2020 (UTC)

EliteArcher88, Here's the text you inserted, with the overlapping parts bolded:

Politico reports Gaetz spent nearly $200,000 in taxpayer funds renting office space from a longtime friend, adviser, campaign donor and legal client Collier Merrill. Both men in separate interviews stated that rent was below market price. House rules state that all leases for district offices must be "at fair market value as the result of a bona fide, arms-length, marketplace transaction. The Lessor and Lessee certify that the parties are not relatives, nor have had, or continue to have, a professional or legal relationship(except as landlord and tenant). The rental was approved by the House's Administrative Counsel. Gaetz needed to change occupancy from his predecessor, Jeff Miller because of inadequate security infrastructure (having received death threats after voicing support for abolishing the EPA)

The problem wasn't really with the quote (which I think you forgot to add an ending " to) but more the very close paraphrasing around it. When it comes to quoting a source and how much you're allowed to, its situational and I don't believe there's official guidelines, but 7 to 8 sentences is around the max amount allowed. Moneytrees🌴^{Talk🌲Help out at CCI!} 21:59, 8 May 2020 (UTC)

Alright thanks for being "money" with the quick response, I do try adhere to the guidelines and rules. Being semi new is hard, as other users will skewer me for trying to make bold edits. It is tough but I'm learning.EliteArcher88 (talk) 22:05, 8 May 2020 (UTC)

Regarding your reverts on the basis of copyright

You reverted my additions to the article Status of women's testimony in Islam on the basis that there is no evidence showing the source material is in the public domain. The source is based of the book (الطرق الحكمية) Al-Turuq al- hakiyma or Judicial methods. The author is Ibn Qayyim al-Jawziyya who died in the 14th century.Therefore all his works are in the public domain. I am also going to follow your advice and add my edit again using quotation marks. I also changed the website citation to a book citation.

Thank you

Ibrahim5361 You're welcome, and thank you for the polite response. I'll remove the warning from your talk page, sorry for the hassle. Moneytrees🌴^{Talk🌲Help out at CCI!} 21:36, 9 May 2020 (UTC)

Dzeko & Torres Discography Page

Hi Got your message...I guess I should go back to the Wikipedia manual... I edited the band's page and copied all of its discography information to his main page. It didn't make sense for it to have a band page, and then a separate discography page. So I was trying to put in a removal request, just of the Discography page. Because all of that information is now on its main page. Best LA LJA123 (talk) 18:51, 14 May 2020 (UTC)

@LJA123: No worries, I've redirected the discography page, it didn't need to be deleted. We all make mistakes sometimes. Moneytrees🌴^{Talk🌲Help out at CCI!} 19:43, 14 May 2020 (UTC)

A barnstar for you!

	The Admin's Barnstar
	Thanks, for all your work at CCI and the copyvio section! You deserve this barnstar! Signed,The4lines |||| (You Asked?) (What I have Done.) 17:54, 15 May 2020 (UTC)

Thank you very much! Moneytrees🌴^{Talk🌲Help out at CCI!} 21:19, 15 May 2020 (UTC)

No problem! Signed,The4lines |||| ^{(You Asked?) (What I have Done.)} 22:04, 15 May 2020 (UTC)

RevDel

Seems like some diffs of [3] need RevDel. Thanks,Signed,The4lines |||| ^{(You Asked?) (What I have Done.)} 18:08, 8 May 2020 (UTC)

The4lines, Done. A lot of Indian articles tend to have underlying copyvios like that one did. Moneytrees🌴^{Talk🌲Help out at CCI!} 18:25, 8 May 2020 (UTC)

Cool thanks, ok good to know. Signed,The4lines |||| ^{(You Asked?) (What I have Done.)} 18:25, 8 May 2020 (UTC)

This may have some copy paste copyvio, [4] thanks, Signed,The4lines |||| ^{(You Asked?) (What I have Done.)} 19:38, 10 May 2020 (UTC)

The4lines, Revd and warning left. Moneytrees🌴^{Talk🌲Help out at CCI!} 22:04, 10 May 2020 (UTC)

I think that this draft is copyvio, I’m not sure. [5] thanks. Also may be good to keep an eye on User: John Mactavish 838 as I found 2 copyvios from him. Thanks, Signed,The4lines |||| ^{(You Asked?) (What I have Done.)} 17:04, 11 May 2020 (UTC)

The4lines, Been dealt with by others, sorry I wasn't able to do anything; to day was a crazy day. Moneytrees🌴^{Talk🌲Help out at CCI!} 02:41, 12 May 2020 (UTC)

No worries, put life before wikipedia. Best, Signed,The4lines |||| ^{(You Asked?) (What I have Done.)} 02:44, 12 May 2020 (UTC)

About the Dr.Beflold clean up, I don’t Know how to do it completely. Like with the check marks and the crosses. Thanks for your help, Signed,The4lines |||| ^{(You Asked?) (What I have Done.)} 02:50, 12 May 2020 (UTC)

The4lines, Oh, you don't need to worry about helping out at the DrB CCI, it's almost done and doesn't need much help anymore (unless you have access to any of the books listed at Wikipedia:Contributor copyright investigations/Dr. Blofeld 25). I really appreciate the want to help out, and recommend reading my guide on CCI and editing an easier page such as G0700596 or Wikipedia:Contributor copyright investigations/Cacrats if you want to get some work in the area. Moneytrees🌴^{Talk🌲Help out at CCI!} 00:15, 13 May 2020 (UTC)

[[6]] May need RevDel, Signed,The4lines |||| ^{(You Asked?) (What I have Done.)} 17:01, 14 May 2020 (UTC)

 Done Moneytrees🌴^{Talk🌲Help out at CCI!} 17:17, 14 May 2020 (UTC)

You know the drill, [7] Signed,The4lines |||| ^{(You Asked?) (What I have Done.)} 19:00, 15 May 2020 (UTC)

The4lines, Thanks for tagging that page and working on the CCI, but revdels aren't usually done when the infringing text is just a sentence or two; it tends to be seen as overkill, so you don't need to tag articles in those cases. Moneytrees🌴^{Talk🌲Help out at CCI!} 21:19, 15 May 2020 (UTC)

Ok thanks for telling me that. Best, Signed,The4lines |||| ^{(You Asked?) (What I have Done.)} 22:05, 15 May 2020 (UTC)

(Off topic) Do you mind linking your CCI guide in my user page as a useful link? Thanks, Signed,The4lines |||| ^{(You Asked?) (What I have Done.)} 23:29, 15 May 2020 (UTC)

Gladly! I do the same for pages I find useful... Moneytrees🌴^{Talk🌲Help out at CCI!} 23:30, 15 May 2020 (UTC)

Cool! Thanks, Signed,The4lines |||| ^{(You Asked?) (What I have Done.)} 23:33, 15 May 2020 (UTC)

Needs RD-1 Miracle on Ice Signed,The4lines |||| ^{(You Asked?) (What I have Done.)} 19:37, 18 May 2020 (UTC)

The4lines, Crow, and Echoedmyron; let's compile the discussion here. |||| removed the text because he thought it came from this wordpress site, which is a mirror and didn't attribute wikipedia. You can tell it's a mirror because it was published on February 24, 2019; Looking at the articles history, there is no way that text could have been inserted before then. Not ||||'s fault, the wordpress should have attributed us+ he's new to the copyright scene. The article was examined as part of Wikipedia:Contributor copyright investigations/Cacrats, specifically this edit; compared with the source, the article is clean, meaning that there was N no violation. Moneytrees🌴^{Talk🌲Help out at CCI!} 20:37, 18 May 2020 (UTC)

• Yep came to the same conclusion from Earwig comparisons. One tip for |||| on CCIs, the article lists the diffs in question and they bytes added on the CCI page, so when you see that the editor added 500 bytes to an article, removing 24kb may not be the right thing. Crow^Caw 20:44, 18 May 2020 (UTC)

Thanks for clarifying - I suspected it might have been something like that, giving the lengthy edit history of the article. Echoedmyron (talk) 20:46, 18 May 2020 (UTC)

Thanks everyone for clarifying, I could not go in to the website so I could not see anything. Sorry guys for wasting everyone’s time. I feel just to quit wikipedia...... Signed,The4lines |||| ^{(You Asked?) (What I have Done.)} 21:00, 18 May 2020 (UTC)

• @The4lines: No don't do that. Nobody is perfect, and nobody expects perfection. No harm was done here, so call it a learning experience! Crow^Caw 21:33, 18 May 2020 (UTC)

@Crow: I guess we can call it. Thanks for the support, Signed,The4lines |||| ^{(You Asked?) (What I have Done.)} 21:41, 18 May 2020 (UTC)

Hey money, how do you tell if a site is free to use without copyright? Signed,The4lines |||| ^{(You Asked?) (What I have Done.)} 00:10, 19 May 2020 (UTC)

That can be difficult. There's usually a copyright notice at the bottom of the page, which will say something like "© blah blah. All rights Reserved", which means we can't use it. Sometimes It'll be "© blah blah", which means we might be able to use it. In that case, somewhere on the the website there'll be a page that says something like "this website is in public domain" (which most American government sites are) or something like "Content is licensed under CC-Blah Blah license". We can use most CC content, except for stuff tagged as NC, aka Non-commercial, plut a few other licenses, which you can see at my CCI guide. Sometimes finding the copyright page for a website can be really hard, so I recommend looking up something like "Name of website copyright" which will usually bring up what you're looking for. As usual, if you're confused about something, just ask me; it's a confusing area that even most admins don't know too much about. Moneytrees🌴^{Talk🌲Help out at CCI!} 00:30, 19 May 2020 (UTC)

Cool Thanks! I’m putting that thing about CC-thingambobs in my page. Also can you see this page Draft:Farhad Khorasani and this one West Chicago Public Library Thanks, Signed,The4lines |||| ^{(You Asked?) (What I have Done.)} 00:48, 19 May 2020 (UTC)

Thanks for the RevDel! And for the Draft RevDel. (Fun question) When was the last time you RevDeled something that was not under RD-1? Just curious, Signed,The4lines |||| ^{(You Asked?) (What I have Done.)} 02:28, 19 May 2020 (UTC)

here, where some crazy added something like "Call this death number (phone number)", which I'm noticing was actually Oversighted. If you don't know, oversighting is when something is completely hidden from public view, even admins can't see it. Only users in the oversighter usergroup can; it's reserved for use on non-public material and such. Moneytrees🌴^{Talk🌲Help out at CCI!} 16:31, 19 May 2020 (UTC)

Interesting, Signed,The4lines |||| ^{(You Asked?) (What I have Done.)} 16:55, 19 May 2020 (UTC)

I think we should archive this discussion, and start a new one as it is getting long. Thanks, Signed,The4lines |||| ^{(You Asked?) (What I have Done.)} 02:14, 20 May 2020 (UTC)

Alright Moneytrees🌴^{Talk🌲Help out at CCI!} 02:17, 20 May 2020 (UTC)