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Ukraine rulers article

What is the reason behind deleting improvements in the Ukraine rulers article? Were they harming? Because without them article only looks more bland and unfinished. 46.211.127.94 (talk) 07:15, 16 November 2024 (UTC)

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>do not see how this would matter in this case

Simply put, Runglish is not only about "nadsat" or the macaronic language of Brighton Beach. It's also a name for Russians' flawed English. I listed one more flaw that can be found in this kind of Runglish.

(Not contesting the "unsourced" part though. It would ridiculously difficult to obtain a source - it would take a meta-analysis of - literally - over 9000 pages on, say, Livejournal and "old" YT to see whether people from Russia posting in English with this very flaw - writing "congolese" or "albanian" without the proper capitalization. I only can say "конголезец" or "албанец" respectively would be un-capitalised in Russian) 81.89.66.133 (talk) 09:07, 20 November 2024 (UTC)

Yes, I was referring to the lowercase in Russian. But this sounds anecdotal. Per WP:V this should be supported by a reliable source. If there is no source that mentions this, then probably it is not worth mentioning. Mellk (talk) 10:02, 20 November 2024 (UTC)

I've been researching the topic. Didn't find much on flawed English speech. However, I've found something polar opposite. There are plenty of online discussions regarding people who would post on forums/microblogs/blogs in Russian and then flub up a little by spelling a nationality with the upper-case. 81.89.66.133 (talk) 13:31, 22 November 2024 (UTC)

Per WP:RS it must be cited to reliable sources. I do not think we can cite online discussions here. Mellk (talk) 13:34, 22 November 2024 (UTC)

Croatian War of Independence

Hi Mellk. I didn't write anything wrong, I just restored what the IP deleted. This [[1]]. I just wanted to bring that back, because I think I'm right, that movement was active throughout Croatia in the 90s. Please read here.[[2]].What do you think about this and whether it should be hidden from the public and not be written about or whether it should be included in this article?89.172.12.2 (talk) 19:17, 28 November 2024 (UTC)

Chetniks are not mentioned in the article. Please see WP:INFOBOXPURPOSE, which says: The purpose of an infobox is to summarize, but not supplant, the key facts that appear in an article. Thank you. Mellk (talk) 19:17, 28 November 2024 (UTC)

This was also added by an IP not long ago (presumably this was you). Mellk (talk) 19:19, 28 November 2024 (UTC)

If they are not included in that article, it does not mean that they did not participate, this says otherwise and then the article should be improved. Look at how many sources there are, unfortunately someone did not put it in this article. But I think that does not mean that I am wrong. What do you think about it?89.172.12.2 (talk) 19:21, 28 November 2024 (UTC)

You are welcome to add a mention of this in the body (citing a reliable source) first or to start a talk page discussion about this. Mellk (talk) 19:23, 28 November 2024 (UTC)

Can I take this back from you? I don't want it and I won't, if you don't allow it. I don't want to add all that from that page, some Serbian Pov pushers like Shadow4ya will say that I copied it all from that page and that it doesn't apply to that page. That's how it will be. Feel free to say no and I won't be on Wikipedia anymore, I won't be angry with you, that's how the wiki is, that's how the editing policy is.89.172.12.2 (talk) 19:29, 28 November 2024 (UTC)

Can I make an additional section in that article about the Chetniks and then add that they participated? You see that it says all sorts of things there, but they didn't put anything about the Yugoslav wars that they participated in?89.172.12.2 (talk) 19:34, 28 November 2024 (UTC)

Your best chance is to be bold. If it gets reverted, you can write your arguments on the talk page. If that does not work, there is also dispute resolution. Mellk (talk) 19:37, 28 November 2024 (UTC)

Okay, first I'll write on the talk page why I brought it back and that it says that that movement participated and there is evidence for that, but that the entire article is being edited. Only then will I bring it back. First I'll write everything on the talk page so if anyone disagrees, they can come forward there. Thanks89.172.12.2 (talk) 19:44, 28 November 2024 (UTC)

You can suggest on the talk page what should be added to the body (with references to WP:RS) and see if there is any agreement on inclusion (or the wording can be discussed). Once it is mentioned in the article it is possible to also include this in the infobox. Mellk (talk) 19:51, 28 November 2024 (UTC)

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A kitten for you!

for expanding the history section of Mari people :)

... sawyer * he/they * talk 00:03, 13 December 2024 (UTC)

also, quick question - the google books link for the Taagepera book you're referencing says 2013, but the limited preview is of the 1999 version. the preview doesn't include the Mari El chapter, so it's not clear to me whether you're referencing from the 1999 or 2013 edition. if you could clarify, that'd be very helpful, thanks! ... sawyer * he/they * talk 00:52, 13 December 2024 (UTC)

Thank you. I took a look at the Routledge website and it seems that there is only one edition. In the preview there it says: "This edition published 2011 by Routledge". But I do not think there is any difference. It looks like the eBook was published in 2013 but the preview is showing the hardcover version. The relevant chapter is: "Mariel: Europe's Last Animists". I will correct this in the article. Thanks for letting me know. Mellk (talk) 16:44, 13 December 2024 (UTC)

huh, weird. thanks! ... sawyer * he/they * talk 19:23, 13 December 2024 (UTC)

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Thanks and best wishes to you. Mellk (talk) 08:50, 21 December 2024 (UTC)

User talk:131.164.141.127

Thanks for reverting one of the edits done by this anonymouns IP. I have also reverted the other (identical) changes made by the same user (https://en.wiki.x.io/wiki/Special:Contributions/131.164.141.127) and added a warning to their talk page. Kiwipete (talk) 02:25, 22 December 2024 (UTC)

Competence

Do you speak fluent English? Do you understand that a google search result is not a reliable source? It looks like the answer to both questions is no. Don't revert edits that you don't understand. 2A00:23C8:D30A:4600:1C01:84D9:FD1F:15FA (talk) 13:43, 23 December 2024 (UTC)

I see you reverted my edit again, still without bothering to provide any explanation. Your behaviour is extremely disruptive. 2A00:23C8:D30A:4600:1C01:84D9:FD1F:15FA (talk) 13:46, 23 December 2024 (UTC)

You did not explain why you removed all the other text. It is evident that you are reverting simply because of a dispute you have on Season (sports). Perhaps you should work on writing clear edit summaries before writing bullshit on someone else's talk page. Mellk (talk) 13:48, 23 December 2024 (UTC)

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That user...

Thank you for your thanks... It is unfortunate how some people, instead of learning how to conform to policy, double down on their objectionable behavior because somehow they believe that in the digital world they are anonymous and can do whatever they want. Good eye on the SPI, and it seems so clear that a CU probably isn't even necessary. Maybe I'm foolish, but I'm hoping that just one more escalated block of say a week will get them to realize that policies do apply to them. And then come back and contribute in accordance with policy. There is some positive contribution history, but that doesn't mean we turn a blind eye to disruption either. Otherwise it might just turn into a SPA that needs to go away indef, but I am holding out some hope! TiggerJay (talk) 05:24, 7 January 2025 (UTC)

Unfortunately with certain editors no amount of blocks will improve their behavior. I am not sure about this editor in particular but it is not a good sign if already they are edit warring, making repeated personal attacks and now socking to evade a simple 72-hour block. If they do end up getting indeffed, then of course there is the standard offer if they truly want to commit. Mellk (talk) 08:21, 7 January 2025 (UTC)

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Below is a more balanced, comprehensive, in-depth summary of poverty and pressing problems of Galicia I found

It gets to the point and didn't read like a series of words put together or even being inconsistent like the wiki article on this topic (sorry no offense), helpful to understand the situations of Galicia a little better. But as some others had pointed out in the talk page, it's still better to read Alison Fleig Frank, David F. Good, Keely Stauter-Halsted, Larry Wolff and also Andrew Zalewski's Galician Trails: The Forgotten Story of One Family if one really wants to get a full picture about Galicia through "richly illustrated pages" of those authors.

"The poverty of the Galicia as a region was both consistent and endemic throughout the nineteenth century. The minimum taxable yearly income was 1200 Crowns a year and only .78% of Galicians met this criteria in the 1890s. Per capita income for the region in the early twentieth century was between 310-16 Crowns. In contrast, 7.29% of Cisleithanian Austria met the minimum tax requirements and its per capita income level averaged around 700 Crowns. Famines in this region were quite common and the region was sometimes known as Golicja i Głodomeria (Galicia the Hungry/Naked Lands). Although Galicia had relatively abundant natural resources, the consistent levels of poverty puzzled contemporaries. There was no single cause for this level of poverty, but rather a unique constellation of factors that worked in conjunction with each other to turn Galicia into one of the underdeveloped regions of the Empire.

One of the most salient reasons for the underdevelopment and lack of economic integration of Galicia was geography. The Carpathian Mountains and Galicia's waterways meant that the Galicia lacked easy trade connections with either Austria or Hungary. Galicia's traditional trading partners were the Polish regions of Russia and protectionist trade policies of both empires. Galicia's status as a frontier zone meant that state development of infrastructure often met military needs, not economic ones. Conscription added a demographic pressure as the army took in the region's most productive males for a significant part of the year. This was important given Austria-Hungary's fit into the wider pattern of relatively late industrial development where state investment provided important capital and direction for economic growth, or lack thereof. Galicia exemplifies the East-West economic split of the Austro-Hungarian economy with a relatively prosperous western half and chronic under-development of the east. The fact that Galicia contributed so little tax revenue to Vienna's coffers reenforced the state's reluctance to invest in the region. What little investment the state put into the region far exceeded what it received in return.

However, the causes of Galician poverty were not just geographic in nature. The local political conditions and how they fit within the wider ethnic politics of the empire contributed greatly to the region's flagging economy. Galicia's ethnic composition was a mix between Poles and Ukrainian/Ruthenes (the distinction between Ruthenes and Ukrainian is a confusing one and worth a question in itself) with Jews as an important minority. The Polish nobility was at the apex of the Galician economy, controlling a majority of the forests and profitable estates. At mid-century, the region's nobility controlled some 90% of the forest land and 40% of the arable soil. As the nineteenth century progressed, these magnates branched out into alcohol and other economic enterprises that favored short-term returns. The Habsburgs kept their distance from the Poles of Galicia, granting them relative autonomy but were leery of replicating the experience of Hungary wherein the an ethnically-defined nobility could extract concessions from the Habsburgs. Therefore, Polish economic preeminence did not have much corresponding political connections to Vienna. The Polish nobility had little incentive to improve the land as they were far richer than the peasantry, nor the channels to the state to facilitate investment if they were inclined to develop the region. The result was there was there was a land squeeze as the peasantry had to work increasingly marginal tracts of land and enjoyed little access to local and political power. Therefore, it should come as no surprise that when the Polish nobility tried to raise the peasantry against the Habsburgs in 1848, the peasantry actually attacked and in some famous instances decapitated the nobles.

The polyglot nature of the Galicia also meant that foreign investment found it difficult to establish a foothold. The ethnic tensions between Poles and the Ukrainian/Ruthenes meant that Galicians were very skeptical of outside investors. The language difficulties compounded this problem and Vienna was unwilling to sort this out. The state's policy of relative autonomy also meant that it delegated responsibility for local affairs to the nobility and the latter were disinclined to develop infrastructure for schools and other educational outlets beyond the major cities. The literacy rate for Galicia was well below the averages for the rest of the Empire and

The one bright spot in the nineteenth-century Galician economy was the petroleum sector. Galicia had a relatively abundant source of oil and development of this industry allowed Austria-Hungary to convert from coal to petroleum as an energy source earlier than its neighbors. Yet many of the problems laid out above meant that oil wealth did not trickle down into the region. The state allowed various wildcat independent prospector which hindered the development of the oil industry in two significant ways. Firstly, the need for quick profits by these new oil concerns damaged the future ability to access the oil fields; haphazard drilling and pumping meant that it was much harder to reach deeper oil deposits. This put a ceiling on the development of this industry. Second, the oil industry in the nineteenth century was a notorious polluter and the Galician oil and refining concerns were no exception. The resulting pollution degraded the surrounding land and made it much harder for the non-petroleum industry to adapt to the twentieth century economy. the net result of these factors was that Galicia became an economic backwater and peripheral component of the Empire's economy so vividly portrayed in the historical novels of Joseph Roth. There was a sense among intellectuals that the region could prosper if the Empire were to break up, but the structural problems of the region continued after the collapse of the Habsburg state in 1918."

Sources Frank, Alison Fleig. Oil Empire: Visions of Prosperity in Austrian Galicia. Cambridge, Mass: Harvard University Press, 2005.

Good, David F. The Economic Rise of the Habsburg Empire, 1750-1914. Berkeley: University of California Press, 1984.

Stauter-Halsted, Keely. The Nation in the Village: The Genesis of Peasant National Identity in Austrian Poland, 1848-1914. Ithaca [N.Y.]: Cornell University Press, 2001.

Wolff, Larry. The Idea of Galicia: History and Fantasy in Habsburg Political Culture. Stanford, Calif: Stanford University Press, 2010. 2604:3D09:D07D:6250:B4E5:1F2E:CD61:E8A4 (talk) 09:46, 24 January 2025 (UTC)

Arkhip Kuindzhi

hello, what's your point of charging the real facts about Arkhip Kuindzhi, which was a ukrainian artist Oleh Belobrov (talk) 11:02, 28 January 2025 (UTC)

Please see the talk page discussion about this. Mellk (talk) 04:14, 29 January 2025 (UTC)

Serving Tatatars

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• what is wrong? Tatars tsareviches (ru:татарские царевичи) are kind of serving Tatars (82.200.143.211 (talk) 05:34, 28 January 2025 (UTC))

See the link I mentioned: The "See also" section should not include red links, links to disambiguation pages (unless used in a disambiguation page for further disambiguation), or external links (including links to pages within Wikimedia sister projects). As a general rule, the "See also" section should not repeat links that appear in the article's body. Mellk (talk) 07:21, 28 January 2025 (UTC)

• it is not an external link, it is a link inside Wikipedia.org
• and it is not disambiguation pages

— Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.200.143.211 (talk) 04:34, 30 January 2025 (UTC)

• You were including red links in the see also section, but this is prohibited I am afraid. Mellk (talk) 05:02, 30 January 2025 (UTC)

Lenny Kravitz

Hi, I see that you're also wading into the subject of Lenny Kravitz paternal ancestry. Since you have twice reverted from the content I wrote, I can see that you feel strongly on the subject. I would encourage you to look at Talk:Lenny_Kravitz#Paternal_Ancestry_V3 where we can properly discuss the subject.

According to WP:BLP, the content must be correct so I shall revert back to my content shortly if I don't hear from you. 13enedict (talk) 14:38, 30 January 2025 (UTC)

If you are editing while logged out, then this counts as WP:LOUTSOCK. Mellk (talk) 14:39, 30 January 2025 (UTC)

I would rather just stick to the facts concerning Mr. Kravitz 13enedict (talk) 14:41, 30 January 2025 (UTC)

I am afraid it is also important to follow this website's policies. Mellk (talk) 14:42, 30 January 2025 (UTC)

I fully agree and one of policies the accuracy of biographies of living persons 13enedict (talk) 14:43, 30 January 2025 (UTC)

If you had fully agreed, you would have not violated the policy on socking. Since it was you who added this to the article, you also need to follow the policy on consensus. Mellk (talk) 14:47, 30 January 2025 (UTC)

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