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Mass Rapid Transit (Singapore)

Hmm... great! Let me get my dictionary and grammar-checking hat. :D — Kimchi.sg | Talk 00:22, 13 December 2005 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/List of Scientology centers

Hey, I'm not 100% sure where the exact line for consensus is, but the final result for that AfD was 25/10/3, in favor of Delete, from where I sit at least. I can't say I agree with you that that means 'No consensus', as there are 2.5 times the delete comments, as there are keep's. I was just wondering if you could let me know (when you have a second) how you arrived at a 'no consensus' opinion, directly after voting? Anyhow, cheers... --негіднийлють ^{(Reply|Spam Me!*|RfS)} 05:40, 13 December 2005 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Consensus - it explicitly doesn't mean "majority" - David Gerard 12:28, 13 December 2005 (UTC)

I'm glad the article survived ... I'm now doing a major cleanup on it and making it something of encyclopedic (if insanely tedious to the non-researcher) historical detail. Hopefully it won't see AFD again! - David Gerard 12:28, 13 December 2005 (UTC)

I've changed the summary of my comment - I have written a comment that was not summarised correctly by the "keeper of the upper table":) - at that AfD and then I saw that the AfD was closed. Sorry about that. +MATIA ☎ 13:24, 13 December 2005 (UTC)

That's part of why those "tally boxes" on AFDs are fundamentally misconceived - they make it look like a numerical vote when it just isn't - David Gerard 15:12, 13 December 2005 (UTC)

WP:SG! on IRC?

Hey,Mr. Kua.Don't know if you know how to open a channel,but if you do,I hope to open the Singapore IRC channel...how's that?Tdxiang 陈 鼎 翔 (Talk) Chat with Tdxiang on IRC! My Rfa04:05, 14 December 2005 (UTC)

A IRC channel is created automatically if you attempt to join a non-existing channel. — Kimchi.sg | Talk 04:10, 14 December 2005 (UTC)

Members RuneScape quests

I thought this was voted delete. Because it's back. I thought that deleted articles require going through the undeletion procedure. -- Ricky81682 (talk) 07:46, 14 December 2005 (UTC)

Esperanza elections

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User page vandalism

Thanks for reverting that vandalism on my userpage the other day. I appreciate it. -- Psy guy ^Talk 17:53, 15 December 2005 (UTC)

And thanks from me, too, for doing the same. Cheers, -Willmcw 09:44, 16 December 2005 (UTC)

Bernie McLaughlin

Yeah, that's cute. I didn't know the FBI got involved in online copyright infringement. Anyway, as far as No Legal Threats goes, there is the "No legal threats" does not mean, of course, that claims of copyright infringement are not to be made clause, so I'm not sure it applies here. Would you take a look at the page the anon claims it's a copyvio of, and let me know if you think it is? This whole thing really isn't my issue, but I hate to see a user get his way just by being a bigger jerk than anyone else around. -- Mwanner | Talk 13:33, 16 December 2005 (UTC)

News from Esperanza

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Cultures of the World

Would you consider contributing? Or how about voting for it as collaboration of the week for this new but important article.--Culturesoftheworld 19:30, 18 December 2005 (UTC)

Asking for help in the process of "Undeletion"

I don't not know exactly if it is your task to initiate undeletion, but i would like to request the undeletion of the article OGTV2 - From Tha Hood to Hollywood, that you've deleted a month ago, because i found a new reference link as a result of using Hotbot web search (i guess this link wasn't included last time, but i am not sure, and i can't check the archives). This article is about a Snoop Dogg album, that is co-produced by west coast fellow rapper Daddy V.The cited page would be the westcoast2k, which is mentioned on the West Coast hip hop Wikipage as one of the trustable West Coast information sites. Please answer me. Thank you.

Fifth world nations

You forgot to delete the redirect Fifth World nations when you deleted the article. -- Ricky81682 (talk) 06:01, 19 December 2005 (UTC)

Delete-worthy page...

There's an (apparently) vanity page, Davide E. Berti. The article's originator had previously removed db tags, and the originator only has two sets of postings: this page and the page's Talk page. D.valued 07:09, 19 December 2005 (UTC)

Ianbrown's RfA

Thanks for voting in my recent RfA. I was overwhelmed at the turnout and comments received.

Ian ≡ talk 07:47, 19 December 2005 (UTC)

Mass Rapid Transit

A few comments, in no particular order:

• I assume that the main issue of contention has been the revert war over the course of the past day. I have little to say about the difference between enhance and ensure; while ensure seems, to me, a better fit in that sentence, I don't feel the word is worth fighting over. On the other points:

1. Absense of documentation of accidents may or may not mean that no accidents occurred. Given the public nature of the topic, I would tend to agree with you that the onus is on Monicasdude to show that the doors have ever been unsuccessful. Nonetheless, I would suggest changing "These doors prevent..." to "These doors are intended to prevent..." and avoiding the issue entirely.
2. Removing a relevant and sourced statement ("Security concerns related to crime and terrorism...") without explanation is generally inappropriate; you may wish to remind him that the ArbCom has expressed this in a number of past cases.

I don't want keep going over the same point on multiple pages, but I'll give this one particular attention. I objected to the article's frequent use of introductory sentences with very little independent content. This was a clear example. To simplify, the section went more or less like this: Before event X, improving security was a lower priority. After event X, it was a higher priority. The first sentence adds next to nothing to the article; it's bad writing. That's why I marked my changes as a copyedit, and described my reasons on the talk page. Just because a statement is relevant and sourced doesn't mean it's good writing, and everything of substance in the statement was covered in the statement (and reference) that followed it. Monicasdude 20:51, 20 December 2005 (UTC)

In my opinion, the first sentence is critical, since it explains why there is nothing in that section prior to 2004; to omit it would be to leave the article open to criticisms about comprehensiveness. But that's not really the issue here; while you may, of course, disagree with the way the article is written, it is polite, at the very least, to explain why you have chosen that particular introductory sentence for removal if your changes are reverted. —Kirill Lokshin 21:23, 20 December 2005 (UTC)

I put an explanation on the talk page, right here [1], right after making the edit. I also believe, given the excerpts that are online from the reference given for that sentence, that it's inaccurate. What seems to be the full, relevant text on Singapore can be found here [2], although it's inexplicably not referenced in the article. Note, first, that the article inserts a reference to terrorism that is not present in the source; second, that the statement refers to an opinion that is not well-documented by the source; and, third, that the opinion is not entirely consistent with the source text -- note the comments about "discouraging loitering," which are entirely consistent with the crime prevention strategies employed under Rudy Giuliani in reducing crime in New York City public transportation, particularly the subways. On each of the points I've disputed, the article does not accurately reflect its references, and that's a straightforward verifiability policy problem. Monicasdude 22:05, 20 December 2005 (UTC)

• It seems that all of the objections except for his have been, at this point, resolved. If that is indeed the case, then Raul654 may choose to promote the article even though an objection is still on the table; he sometimes does this when he considers the objection to be incorrect, frivolous, or in bad faith.
• Finally, try your best to remain polite in these exchanges, even if you vehemently disagree with the objection. Incivility on the part of the nominator(s), while not directly related to the quality of the article, tends to attract more objections—other readers are more likely to object over minor points if they feel the nominator is being confrontational. —Kirill Lokshin 16:51, 20 December 2005 (UTC)

Based on his latest demands for proof that concensus building is not policy, I am obliged to advice you in simply ignoring him if you can, something I am trying to do now as well. Even if he right, it demonstrates his basic disrespect for dispute resolution. He seems devoid of reason, and dosent hesitate to game the system to meet his objectives. I am just glad the 3RR nomination has resulted in a fair judgement, and again, I thank you for your tip-off. I hope to now get your assistance in helping to watch over the article and to act on any instance in which he tries to revert the article again? Hope you may help. Thanks in advance! :D--Huaiwei 17:26, 20 December 2005 (UTC)

Hi, I think Monicasdude is being very selfish to SGpedians'. He is trying to bring the article down make our efforts go down the drain. He should be reported instead of Huaiwei. His edits are all wrong facts. Please be fair in the judgements and all sysops also. You may also contact me by email or IM. --Terence Ong ^|Talk 06:03, 21 December 2005 (UTC)

Thanks

Thanks for reverting vandalism on my userpage!

FireFox 19:47, 20 December 2005 (UTC)

malo's RfA

Thank you!

Mailer diablo, thanks for your support on my RFA. I was rather suprised at the overwhelming support I received. Thank you for your confidence in me. I hope that I'll live up to your expectations in the future as well. -- malo (tlk) (cntrbtns) 06:09, 21 December 2005 (UTC)

[Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Sturmgrenadier]

hi, there is an organized campaign to save the above self-promotional vanity games-club page from deletion.... i'm wondering if you'd be willing to take a look and voice your opinion? normally i wouldnt care but (a) i hate organized campaigns from groups of users (especially when they have vested interests but dont declare them) and (b) when challenged about it, they suggested i try it myself! so here i am.... cheers! Zzzzz 20:43, 21 December 2005 (UTC)

re: Chinese new year greetings

Actually it's the new protection scheme. Check it out. It's confusing. :) When you unprotect, you have to actually set it to "all allowed". Just clicking on the button doesn't do it. I'll fix it. It should be unprotected. --Woohookitty^{(cat scratches)} 14:11, 22 December 2005 (UTC)

Spanking therapy redirect

You forgot the Spanking Therapy redirect to Spanking therapy -- Ricky81682 (talk) 07:15, 23 December 2005 (UTC)

Relisting

I like relisting, but I reckon you're going too far with a good thing here. For example, Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Bondfire had the nomination plus one other delete, that's probably enough. The instructions say not to weigh in if the outcome looks clear, so I often skip things that aren't contested, I'd imagine others do the same. - brenneman^(t)(c) 10:35, 23 December 2005 (UTC)

Thanks for the reply. I see your point that nom+1 is a judgement call. We should resist the formation of a de-facto quorum however. If you see people relisting something with nom+2 deletes, especially if those give decent reasons and it is a good nom, please do let me know. - brenneman^(t)(c) 00:32, 24 December 2005 (UTC)

Thanks

Thank you for reverting the vandalism on my user page. Macintosh User 16:25, 23 December 2005 (UTC)

The kind of content supported by Wikipedia

Hi Kua,

The strategy guide of Duke3d has been deleted. Here it was: http://en.wiki.x.io/w/index.php?title=Duke_Nukem_3D_%28multiplayer%29&action=edit

Admins were not clear in their explanations about the deletion but I think this is because Wikipedia supports articles that mostly answer the questions "what/where/when/who". Although not excplicit, Wikipedia seems to be a reference rather than an generic information web site. So Wikipedia doesn't support articles that answer the question "how" eg: "how to .." or "how does it work". EG: A strategy guide is answering the question "how does it work to win" so it doesnt fall in the wikipedia content. Notice there is no touristic guides in Wikipedia neither but only links to external guides. It's probably the reason why http://en.wiki.x.io/wiki/Wikinfo exists. Thats' bad for both web sites. Hopefully they will merge one day. I see Wikipedian veterans are tired of these issues: "the delete or not" and "that was a good article so put it back" so a rule about the kind of article expected would make life easier for admins and writers and avoid the various fights a see everywhere.

Anyway I'm not here to discuss about Wiki content. I'd like to have a copy of this deleted guide to transfer it on Duke3D's forums (or maybe wikiinfo?). Not sure how, or even if you are allowed to send it to me? I'll check back this page from time to time for a link to your answer if you decide to answer me. Thank you for your help!

• Reply : User talk:213.169.169.60

• • Reply : Thanks for your answer. Here is my Email: dukeduke3d(at)hotmail(dot)com . Btw I see it's not possible to access the "View x deleted edits?" anymore?

need old info

Weird I dont see my previous post anymore. Must be a bad bug.

edit: huh it's back again? lol. My bad I guess. sorry.

Christmas

A Merry Christmas and a Happy New Year to you. :P --Terence Ong ^Talk 16:34, 24 December 2005 (UTC)

Natalinasmpf is now on RFA, you may like to take a look :) --Terence Ong ^Talk 16:42, 24 December 2005 (UTC)

Should we have a section on our notice board of SGpedians' on RFA? --Terence Ong ^Talk 07:18, 25 December 2005 (UTC)

The Yellowstone Club

I noticed you deleted article "The Yellowstone Club". As a new wikipedia user I'm not sure how to see why it was deleted or how to veiw the original article.

• Reply : User talk:69.145.112.207

Wikipedia etiquette

I have no idea why you would add an "unsigned comment by" tag midway through a signed comment. Such alteration of comments by someone you disagree with is plainly inappropriate behavior. Monicasdude 19:21, 25 December 2005 (UTC)

I would think that the signature, the continuous text, and the page history would make that clear. Given the number of problems and errors in the article's text, you would be better advised to devote your attention to improving its accuracy rather than insert "unsigned comment" tags into the text of signed comments. Monicasdude 19:39, 25 December 2005 (UTC)

User:Regforafd

I know being an admin can be tough sometimes, and seeing things that should be deleted not can be frustrating, but that's no reason to create a sockpuppet and mass afd things. I've indef blocked you until there's a checkuser. If Reg turns out to be different than you, I'll unblock and start an rfc. The coincidences there are far too strong to ignore this. karmafist 21:26, 25 December 2005 (UTC)

• You are making a very serious accusation. Please check your email. - Mailer Diablo 21:33, 25 December 2005 (UTC)
  • Why not answer the accusation? Theresa Knott | Taste the Korn 21:44, 25 December 2005 (UTC)
    • Wikipedia:Administrators'_noticeboard/Incidents#User:Regforafd. - Mailer Diablo 22:05, 25 December 2005 (UTC)

  • 

    No Harm Done

    Sorry again if it seems like there was a witch hunt there. I'm glad it looks like we can move on, although at times lately I wonder if I can. There's just too much to deal with it seems. karmafist 23:52, 25 December 2005 (UTC)
    • Apparently I'm a little late in coming to the party, but I came to hte same conclusion as David - there's obviously no overlap between the accounts. Raul654 01:27, 26 December 2005 (UTC)

Re: History of bus transport in Hong Kong

Thanks so much for the pictures. :-) — Instantnood 17:15, 26 December 2005 (UTC)

WikiBreak

This was the messages received when my WikiStress gave way and burst after the Christmas season. I thank all of them for their well-wishes. For background information, see Wikipedia:Requests for comment/Monicasdude 2. - Mailer Diablo 10:36, 28 December 2005 (UTC)

Farewell

Good luck, my lad, and take care. Thanks for everything... you will be missed. Come back whenever you want! Blackcap (talk) 18:06, 26 December 2005 (UTC)

Goodbye

Bye, Mailer diablo. Your departure is a sad one to SGpedians'. We've lost such a great Wikipedian like you. You've helped the MRT article to FAC, all the best for your exams next year. A Happy New Year and an early Gong Xi Fa Cai. I appericiate your work, do come back when you wish. --Terence Ong ^Talk 04:07, 27 December 2005 (UTC)

Bye, Mailer_diablo. Its really sad to see u leaving. I would badly miss your guidance and help. Hope that u reconsider your decision and return back. Wishing you a happy new year. Gaurav1146 04:28, 27 December 2005 (UTC)

Howcheng's RfA

Thank you for your support in my recent request for adminship. I was successfully promoted with a final tally of 74/0/0. I will endeavour not to let you down. Sorry to see you leave, however. It's always sad to lose good admins. Thanks again. howcheng {chat} 07:18, 27 December 2005 (UTC)

Take care..

Do drop me a message when you cross by. :-) — Instantnood 18:05, 27 December 2005 (UTC)

That's gonna keep you busy enough. :-P — Instantnood 22:17, 28 December 2005 (UTC)

Move

Can you move List of anti-Semites to User:Sheynhertz-Unbayg/List of anti-Semites? --Sheynhertz_געשׁ״ך 20:25, 27 December 2005 (UTC)

No one can, because List of anti-Semites doens't exist as a page. Blackcap (talk) 00:25, 28 December 2005 (UTC)

My RfA

Thank you for supporting my successful RfA! Your trust means a great deal to me, and I promise to try my hardest to serve the community. —David Levy 06:40, 28 December 2005 (UTC)

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RfC

Thanks for letting me know. —Kirill Lokshin 15:22, 28 December 2005 (UTC)

Thank you for all the hard work. Meanwhile I notice the word "against" is repeatedly mispelled as "aganist" throughout the page! :D--Huaiwei 15:30, 28 December 2005 (UTC)

I know. But lets not judge him solely on his antics in the MRT page, but also in his behavior across wikipedia. I have yet to come across anyone quite like him, with behavior almost akin to calling himself the WikiGod, when he refuses to do something as simple as creating a userpage for himself. The paradox and irony of it all! :D--Huaiwei 15:51, 28 December 2005 (UTC)

Thanks for the work you've done. I want to get this through. :) --Terence Ong ^Talk 15:33, 28 December 2005 (UTC)

RfA thanks from Deathphoenix

Hi Master Diablo,

I just wanted to thank you for supporting me in my RfA. To tell you the truth, I was surprised by all the support I've gotten. I never saw myself as more than an occasional Wiki-hobbyist.

My wife sends her curses, as Wikipedia will likely suck up more of my time. She jokingly (I think) said she was tempted to log on to Wikipedia just to vote Oppose and let everyone know that she didn't want her husband to be an admin.

It means a great deal to get a cliché vote from a veteran such as yourself. I'll make sure your trust in me is founded. --Deathphoenix 15:26, 28 December 2005 (UTC)

hahaha... I can probably kiss my marriage goodbye if I applied for arbcom. ;-)

Glad to spread a little marriage humour. :-) --Deathphoenix 15:35, 28 December 2005 (UTC) (woops, forgot to sign the comment above)

Woohoo!

Awesome... glad you're back. Sometimes we just need breaks, and good lord I've taken them too. I'm looking forward to seeing you around! Take care, Blackcap (talk) 16:58, 28 December 2005 (UTC)

Maywood Avenue School

Hello, I have to say that I somewhat take issue with your close for this as no consensus. I expanded the article and provided references during the AfD. Since there were no delete votes and almost every merge vote was contingent on either expansion or verification, I think that Keep would have perhaps been a fairer portrayal of the consensus that was reached during the AfD. -- JJay 19:12, 28 December 2005 (UTC)

Hey, thanks for your rapid response. You are right- I didn't see the one delete vote hidden at the top. I was just pointing out that the merge voters mostly said merge unless expanded. Since I expanded and verified the article, I felt the condition was met. In any case, don't worry about it- if it is renominated I'll expand the article some more. Take care. -- JJay 19:22, 28 December 2005 (UTC)

BXML

Excuse me. Can you be more specific there how come the debate ended with no consensus? Thanks. -- Perfecto  19:28, 28 December 2005 (UTC)

Isn't it 2 keep, 5 not keep? Also, I see that Rufuos became unsure of his vote. -- Perfecto  19:38, 28 December 2005 (UTC)

Yeah, but merge ǂ keep either. AFAICT, only 2 of 7 want the article to stay. Also, the two keeps, Mozillaman and Gary King, both gave no reason. -- Perfecto  19:55, 28 December 2005 (UTC)

Thanks

Thanks for the note, I appriciate it! --Mozillaman 23:00, 28 December 2005 (UTC)

Image:Airline meal.jpg

I don't dispute it. It should probably be deleted. Bhumiya 23:33, 29 December 2005 (UTC)

Thanks

Hello Mailer diablo/Archive G,

I wish to thank you for your vote on my RfA. It has passed with a final tally of 59/0/0. If I can ever help with anything or if you have any comments about my actions as an admin, please let me know! KnowledgeOfSelf | talk 04:03, 31 December 2005 (UTC)

Esperanza

Thanks for your vote for me in the Esperanza council election. I sincerely appreciate it.--Dakota ~ ε

2004 Indian Ocean earthquake

Hi, I noticed you finally did something about the 2004 Indian Ocean earthquake notes- thanks for that. Since it's still quite an often-edited page, I'd like to convert the notes to the new http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Cite/Cite.php system, which should be better at coping with new additions. I just wanted to check if you know of any reason I shouldn't? Thanks, Mark¹ 16:35, 31 December 2005 (UTC)

Stephen Goodfellow - Kicked out of Wikipedia

Hi diablo,

My name is Stephen Goodfellow. You recently deleted my page, and you might be forgiven for having done so, because it would give every indication of being a vanity page - and truth to tell, I am a somewhat vain person.

That said, if you look at the record of the page, you will see that it was not started by me. I merely discovered it and added to it. It also links and is coroborated by several individual and and joint achievements that have had some impact upon different communities.

Consequently, I wondered if you yould consider replacing the page, if it is in your power to do so.

The best email address to contact me is at esteban@goodfelloweb.com I get a whole lot of spam, so if you would put "wikipedia" in the subject line it will come to my notice.

Hope you are having a great holiday,

Sincerely,

Stephen Goodfellow

thanks

Greetings Mailer diablo, I wish to offer my gratitude for supporting me on my recent nomination for adminship, which passed with the final tally of 65/4/3. If you would ever desire my assistance in anything, or wish to give me feedback on any actions I take, feel free to let me know. Cheers! Elle vécut heureusement toujours dorénavant (Be eudaimonic!) 08:01, 1 January 2006 (UTC)

cybernoir

Cybernoir is an emerging art form, I can't believe the wikipedia entry was deleted, as I was wishing to research it. Cybernoir is NOT cyberpunk, rather it is cyber crossed in with the darkness and gloominess of a noir feel, think Dark City the movie, or Blade Runner the movie for two examples of cybernoir off the top of my head. Simply because it's not popular or well recognised yet does not make it worth deleting and I personally would have happily submitted additional information to the article if I had known of it's existance prior to deletion.

Thank you

Baboeska

Middle Korea

And what do you have aganist Middle Korea? Do you have any knowledge of it? NO! So why did you delete it? Are you blessed with god-like knowledge of all topics? NO! Please stick with topics that you have some knowledge of. Middle Korea was deleted becuase it was a hoax? What is you people's problem? I spent time on that article so it would be acceptable and how much time did you spend looking at it, 30sec.? Don't make snap judgements about things you know nothing about. Put my article back please. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Kilroy Collins (talk • contribs)

list of fictional people known by one name

I am unfamiliar with the deletion process. It seemed like someone closed the discussion and you reverted that close. What's going on? Lotusduck 04:14, 2 January 2006 (UTC)

Doppelganger account

Hi Mailer Diablo, I would like to create a doppelganger account. Could you help me create one? Thank You. --Terence Ong ^Talk 14:38, 2 January 2006 (UTC)