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I just want to note that Puerto Ricans are US Citizens which should be noted in the article http://en.m.wiki.x.io/wiki/Rafael_Trujillo

Almost impossible to make such a note on the page.

{{csref}}

Please can you avoid using this template for countries that do not have a completed link in the template (open it up for editing and you'll see what I mean). For countries like Hungary, when you use it, it doesn't state which work (Hungary: A Country Study etc) is being referred to. As it stands, the refs fail WP:V at first look, as many editors will not be able to check what source is being used.

You can either directly link directly to the relevant page on countrystudies.us or to the pdf version of the book and cite a specific page. In fact these referencing methods are better than using csref, as you can specify a page or section, as opposed to just a whole chapter in csref. You've also not been setting pd=n, which means it appears part of the article is copied wholesale from the books, which isn't the case. Cheers, Number 57 20:52, 7 April 2020 (UTC)

Rudolf Hess: Importance of 'annual'

Just for your information, the article on Rudolf Hess cites a source that the cost of running the Spandau Prison with him as its lone prisoner for 20+ years was estimated at 800,000 DM. Intrigued by this low number I looked into it a bit closer. It turns out that the cited cost is annual, but that this information was lost back in 2013 due to this edit: [1].

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I could use some help here. Thanks BilCat (talk) 01:29, 29 August 2020 (UTC)

I've decided to disengage from that discussion, as I was.treated in bad faith. I wish you luck, should you chose to engage. Thanks. BilCat (talk) 01:43, 29 August 2020 (UTC)

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Inserting false information (again)

I've just found out that the unsourced claim you added to 2018 Barbadian general election (that Freundel Stuart was the first sitting PM to lose his seat)[2] was untrue (as Harold Bernard St. John lost his seat in the 1986 election).

I've asked multiple times over the years that you source your additions. Please take this as a notice that I will be reverting any unsourced additions you make that appear on my watchlist. Number 57 12:00, 4 October 2020 (UTC)

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Please stop adding unsourced information to Route 128 station. You have been told numerous times to provide reliable sources for information you add to articles. Pi.1415926535 (talk) 00:20, 18 February 2021 (UTC)

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Please do not revert the location of Carowinds to include the South Carolina boundaries. It has been extensively discussed and decided that because both Carowinds and Cedar Fair list the official address in solely Charlotte, this is the appropriate location to list. The park being located in both states is discussed numerous times throughout the article. StatsFreak (talk) 06:58, 12 December 2021 (UTC)

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WWJ-TV

The reason why I reverted your edits to WWJ-TV is because they don't fit the context of the article. Sammi Brie and I redid WWJ-TV to be a proper retelling of the station's history with ample citations, including many of the reasons why WGPR-TV struggled to get competitive programming (and some of it was because of the wishes of Dr. William V. Banks and his associates and successors, who were indeed selective about the shows that were available to them). Plus defining CBET as " Windsor, Ontario-based CBC owned-and-operated station CBET (channel 9)" is unnecessary when you only need to just say " [...] —five licensed to Detroit proper and two in Windsor, Ontario— [...]".

Plus, stuff like " It did not help that it was located near the top of the UHF dial; prior to the advent of cable television, most Detroit-area viewers never tuned past WTVS, the local PBS station on channel 56" is largely unsourceable and I interpreted it as conjecture. It might have happened, but I'd rather take chances and not include it... and prevent the promulgation of a possible urban legend.

If you have Discord, me and Sammi would be interested in talking with you over there. (WP:DISCORD) ;) Nathan Obral • he/him • t • c • 01:45, 21 July 2022 (UTC)

Side note: reviewed your edits and noticed you removed the trailing comma in ...WCTV in Tallahassee, Florida, and... This is actually in the Manual of Style: see MOS:GEOCOMMA. Sammi Brie (she/her • t • c) 23:25, 30 July 2022 (UTC)

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I am very disappointed to see you making edits with the exact same issues that led to that ANI discussion. By this point you know very well that adding an unsourced paragraph to a GA candidate is going to get reverted. You also know better than to add a citation that doesn't actually support the claim, and I hope you know better than to introduce MOS errors. Pi.1415926535 (talk) 02:40, 28 September 2022 (UTC)

This is disappointing for me to hear about, @Pi.1415926535. Is there a diff you can point me to? Sammi Brie (she/her • t • c) 03:10, 28 September 2022 (UTC)

@Sammi Brie: first edit including unsourced paragraph is here, second edit with claim unsupported by source is here, and MOS error is here.

HangingCurve: re your post on my talk page, the article being a GA candidate is only relevant in that such articles tend to be actively watched and poor edits immediately noticed. Adding unsourced claims is not acceptable on any article. Pi.1415926535 (talk) 18:42, 28 September 2022 (UTC)

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Wanted to let you know that Special:Diff/1122637161 introduced an error. I know it's a bit hard to see without the full-resolution scan, but it does indeed say "Dean of Arizona Newscasters", not Broadcasters. Sammi Brie (she/her • t • c) 23:37, 18 November 2022 (UTC)

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Could you explain this? Nikkimaria (talk) 14:13, 16 September 2023 (UTC)

An IP removed this and claimed it was "woke nonsense." HangingCurve^{Swing for the fence} 14:15, 16 September 2023 (UTC)

Er, no, the IP removed something completely different from what you restored. Nikkimaria (talk) 14:19, 16 September 2023 (UTC)

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Article style

Hi,

Sammi Brie and Nathan Obral—both of us—wanted to write to discuss your editing patterns. We did not want to reach this point, but we have been left with no other choice.

Our largest problem is that, even though encyclopedic standards have risen considerably since the late 2000s, yours haven’t. For years, this was less of an issue in the broadcasting topic area because few people seemed to care. In 2019, we had the WNGH-TV RfC, an event that serves to highlight how far behind we were in adopting key policies and guidelines (such as the Manual of Style) in our own topic area. Our style is, first and foremost, informed by what has bedeviled so many of our articles for years: burdensome text styles incomprehensible to non-expert readers, poor use of citations, uncited original synthesis, and the inclusion of a lot of unnecessary cruft. It’s astounding how, in quite a few cases, an article can be half as long (or less) with two or three times as many references. This style is the reason broadcasting has added four (soon to be five) Featured Articles in the last three years, as well as dozens of Good Articles with more than 150 similarly improved pages in the wings.

Wikipedia articles should be written for the average layperson to understand. They really don't care to be dragged down into the weeds with incomprehensible, bloated articles that are sadly a penchant of other editors in this topic field, still stuck hopelessly in the past. Rectifying that means sometimes leaving details about events covered elsewhere to those articles to avoid bloat; rejecting such common self-invented jargon as “intellectual unit”, which only exists in Wikipedia articles about broadcasting; avoiding such unencyclopedic phrasing as “CBS seemed to be willing to tolerate” that contributes nothing and verges on original research; and conforming our pages to encyclopedia-wide policies and guidelines. The kind of mush you are prone to adding does not make for encyclopedic reading. And we know you know this because it was one of the topics of the ANI thread Sammi started less than two years ago.

We hoped that you had come to understand this as a priority. Unfortunately, the edits you’ve made on pages like WTVJ and WFOR-TV have driven us against a wall. At times, these borderline edit wars legitimately make us feel like this drive to make the topic field worth something to the general populace is nothing more than a losing battle. Please stop turning back the stylistic clock. Our readers will thank you. Sammi Brie (she/her • t • c) 02:42, 14 June 2024 (UTC)

This is the first I heard of any RfC in 2019. Link? Now I have a better understanding of the issue. HangingCurve^{Swing for the fence} 03:06, 14 June 2024 (UTC)

Here's the link: Talk:WNGH-TV#RfC about TV and radio station style variances Nathan Obral • he/him • t • c • 03:40, 14 June 2024 (UTC)

I mention the WNGH RfC as one facet of a broader issue. ACRO is no longer a problem in most articles that someone has actually touched. Sammi Brie (she/her • t • c) 04:03, 14 June 2024 (UTC)

I'm typing this at 1:45 a.m., ouch. Anyway...

Here's my two cents on the matter on hand with HangingCurve and the over-adding on articles like WTVJ and WFOR.

It confuses me, mostly because its an big amount of infomation for me to handle even normally sometimes, NOT even the removal of the stuff HangingCurve made would've make any sense to me and that's saying it. Like, I know it's made for the GAN and the FAC, but holy heck, that's a lot.

I just want to be really clear, HangingCurve, even though it's some big articles, can you not try to get into any unnecessary Edit Wars with anyone right now? Okay... mer764KCTV5 / Cospaw (He/Him | Talk • Contributions) 06:52, 14 June 2024 (UTC)

KBDI-TV

Can I kindly ask that you be more careful when reproducing quotes in articles? Here, you included the quote

"We broadcast to more ears of corn and cattle than any station in the nation!"

when it was actually printed as

"We broadcast to more ears of corn and heads of cattle than any other station!"

If I had seen this at a Good Article nomination—which, mind you, KBDI-TV is currently pending—I would have told the nominator to be more careful. Sammi Brie (she/her • t • c) 04:38, 16 October 2024 (UTC)

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Draft:Kay Adams-Corleone

I have started a draft at Draft:Kay Adams-Corleone, and given your work in this area, thought you might be interested in working on it as well. Cheers! BD2412 T 04:42, 28 November 2024 (UTC)

Now live at Kay Adams-Corleone. BD2412 T 03:10, 29 November 2024 (UTC)

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