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Great Acronym Experiment 2018

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So we need a target for WP:RFG, WP:RFJ, WP:RFK, WP:RFL, WP:RFN, WP:RFQ, WP:RFY, and WP:RFZ. Nominative determinism ho! Fish+Karate 14:28, 5 March 2018 (UTC)

Just need WP:RFG, WP:RFJ, WP:RFK, WP:RFN, and WP:RFZ now. Fish+Karate 08:27, 17 April 2018 (UTC)

Isn't RFG "Request for Guidance" (WP:HELP) and RFK "Request for Knowledge" (WP:REFDESK)? The Rambling Man (talk) 16:03, 16 November 2018 (UTC)
I've just sent WP:RFG to Wikipedia:Geonotice#Requests (in line with Wikipedia:Requests for geonotice, but yeah, could be. I like WP:RFK being requests for knowledge, so that's getting done now. Just leaves WP:RFZ. Fish+Karate 16:06, 16 November 2018 (UTC)

Excuse the intrusion, but are you familiar with Wikipedia:Shortcut table/uppercase?

  • All the 26 single letters are in use.
  • Most of the 676 double lettters are taken - but no WP:JJ, WP:KK, WP:QQ, WP:VV WP:YY or WP:ZZ , or indeed WP:AY or WP:XA or WP:OB. You get the idea. All 26 starting WP:T[?] are in use.
  • As for the 17,576 triples, there are lots of red links in that rather large table. For example, WP:YAW or WP:OAT or WP:PAD ... and so on.

And once that is done, there are the diacriticals: WP:Å anyone? 213.205.240.185 (talk) 19:10, 16 November 2018 (UTC)

How about WP:RFZ, as in Request for WP:ZZZ? —[AlanM1(talk)]— 19:46, 26 January 2019 (UTC)

The Point

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When Disney Merged With 21st Century Fox,The Xmen Were Included In Avengers 4.So Therefore, Add The Cast Of Xmen Apocalypse And Fanstatic Four(2015) Coolguy3478 (talk) 20:46, 16 November 2018 (UTC)

Please discuss this on the talk page of the article. Fish+Karate 14:11, 17 November 2018 (UTC)

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Sweetener

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I noticed that you've protected Sweetener, but shouldn't it be reverted back to the status quo, rather than being left at User:Effausername's revision? Fan4Life (talk) 17:11, 20 November 2018 (UTC)

The full protection is unnecessary and can be removed now as I've CU blocked User:Effausername as a sock account.-- Jezebel's Ponyobons mots 21:56, 20 November 2018 (UTC)
Follow-up: I've restored the semi-protection as the LTA sock who was genre warring is now blocked.-- Jezebel's Ponyobons mots 22:01, 20 November 2018 (UTC)
Cheers. Fish+Karate 01:16, 21 November 2018 (UTC)

Queue 1

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Hi, take a look at the Dodge Little Red Wagon page and then undo your link, please. Yoninah (talk) 15:45, 22 November 2018 (UTC)

Done. I am happy for you to just make such reverts yourself if I mess something up on DYK when trying to fix errors, I don't mind. Cheers, Fish+Karate 15:49, 22 November 2018 (UTC)

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Advice request

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Hi Fish, thanks for supporting my appeal at Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard#Appeal my 1RR restriction. The section has been unchanged for nearly four days now, and at the top of the page it says sections older than six days will be archived. Do you know anything else I can do to get it closed before it's too late? -- DeFacto (talk). 07:20, 3 December 2018 (UTC)

@DeFacto: I've asked for someone to close it, as I shouldn't (as I participated). Don't worry, I'll make sure it gets closed by someone. Fish+Karate 09:33, 3 December 2018 (UTC)
Thanks for that, your help is really appreciated. -- DeFacto (talk). 14:34, 3 December 2018 (UTC)
It's all sorted now - thanks again, and thanks for supporting my appeal. -- DeFacto (talk). 18:26, 3 December 2018 (UTC)
@DeFacto: No problem. Happy editing. Fish+Karate 11:58, 5 December 2018 (UTC)

Hi

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Just here to inform, the IP user is back at it. Ace Of Space 1

Hi MiaSays, thank you for letting me know. I have semi-protected the article for a week. Please sign your posts on talk pages using four tildes, like this: ~~~~, it helps readers know who posted messages. Thanks, Fish+Karate 13:46, 4 December 2018 (UTC)

Kirsten Vangsness and Jane March

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Hello. I noticed that you protected a couple of articles for repeated addition of unsourced and/or badly sourced material, but they have been making unsourced edits on far more articles than that, so would you mind also blocking the person doing it, editing as Special:Contributions/213.30.22.157 and Special:Contributions/83.240.186.98. It's a very prolific editor in Lisbon, Portugal, who has been doing this for several years, and has recently been blocked twice for it as IP83.240.186.98, editing as that IP until today, when they, after getting another final warning for it switched to IP213.30.22.157 and just continued making the exact same edits (see page history of Kirsten Vangsness and Jane March and the contributions of both IPs). And 213.30.22.157 isn't a totally new IP for them, because if you check their contributions you'll find that it was used by the same person, making the same kind of edits as 83.240.186.98 has been doing, already in 2014. Cheers, - Tom | Thomas.W talk 15:34, 4 December 2018 (UTC)

Hi Thomas.W. Quick message I’m afraid as I’m a bit busy this evening, but I will look at this in the morning if it’s stil not resolved. If it’s urgent please report the user at WP:AIV. Cheers. Fish+Karate 17:34, 4 December 2018 (UTC)
@Thomas.W: - as the two pages are protected at present, then I can't tell if those are the IP addresses that are causing problems. I will watchlist them both and keep an eye on them. Fish+Karate 16:02, 5 December 2018 (UTC)

Cambodian New Year

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Because article bad vandalised. Fish+Karate 09:24, 6 December 2018 (UTC)
Article unprotect 4 March 2019. Fish+Karate 10:14, 7 December 2018 (UTC)
Discuss on Talk:Cambodian New Year. Fish+Karate 10:14, 7 December 2018 (UTC)

DRVs which need closing

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There appears to be some open DRVs that are not closed Ryan Worsley, Template:Rdd and Inspire Brands. There is an open ANRFC for Ryan Worsley. Valoem talk contrib 08:21, 7 December 2018 (UTC)

Post them all at WP:Requests for closure and have patience, they will get closed eventually. Regards, Fish+Karate 10:12, 7 December 2018 (UTC)

Your ANI comment

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Hi Fish and karate! I'm just getting caught up with all of my Wikipedia messages, emails, requests, etc., and I saw your comment here. Is this something I still need to look into? Let me know (ping me in your response so I see it). Thanks! :-) ~Oshwah~(talk) (contribs) 06:00, 17 December 2018 (UTC)

Hi @Oshwah:. No response needed, it was more just a note for the various editors involved who reverted those IP edits without actually considering the nature of the (BLP-violating) content they were restoring, asking them to take more care in future. Fish+Karate 09:54, 17 December 2018 (UTC)
Ah okay. I was just curious about the mention and the actual content involved. The content in question that was being removed (diff) seemed well-sourced; no edit summary was left describing the reason for the removal that I reverted, and the previous edit summaries removing the same content were also not helpful. I was just wondering exactly what content was ultimately considered a BLP violation? What am I missing or not seeing? Thanks :-) ~Oshwah~(talk) (contribs) 10:11, 17 December 2018 (UTC)
@Oshwah: There are three paragraphs there which don't mention the article subject once, instead going into lurid detail about crimes committed by a family member. That's called coatracking. Sourcing is not the issue. It's all discussed in the ANI thread you linked above, and explained better. Fish+Karate 11:27, 17 December 2018 (UTC)
Oh boy... that's not good at all. Crap... :-/... That obviously doesn't make me happy to see that I missed that and restored the content... I'm familiar with WP:COATRACK but I obviously didn't catch it in this instance. :-( Anyways, I'll look further into the ANI report and the article text; I obviously didn't read far or deep enough into the report if I'm asking you questions over such a large amount of content like this... I'm glad that you mentioned me and got my attention about this. Thank you for doing that. :-) Cheers - ~Oshwah~(talk) (contribs) 11:45, 17 December 2018 (UTC)
No problem. I think we all need to make sure we don't assume the IP in an edit war is always wrong. Fish+Karate 12:05, 17 December 2018 (UTC)

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Precious anniversary

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A year ago ...
 
courage and images
... you were recipient
no. 1802 of Precious,
a prize of QAI!

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Your account-name

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Hello, ِYour account-name is not permitted according to name-policy at ArWikipedia. It has been nominated for "Block", but Don't worry, I add your account to a category of "Active accounts on other wikis", so It will not be blocked. Thanks. --Dr-Taher (talk) 07:55, 24 December 2018 (UTC)

@Dr-Taher: Thank you. Fish+Karate 09:37, 24 December 2018 (UTC)

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Merry Christmas!

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  Merry Christmas and a Prosperous 2019!

Hello Fish and karate, may you be surrounded by peace, success and happiness on this seasonal occasion. Spread the WikiLove by wishing another user a Merry Christmas and a Happy New Year, whether it be someone you have had disagreements with in the past, a good friend, or just some random person. Sending you heartfelt and warm greetings for Christmas and New Year 2019.
Happy editing,
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Spread the love by adding {{subst:Seasonal Greetings}} to other user talk pages.

I would give you a more fitting template, but I have yet to find one with fish and karate involved....... Anyways, wishing you and your family all the best in 2019! --TheSandDoctor Talk 07:48, 25 December 2018 (UTC)

Please

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I Got A Ton Of New Sources For Samuel L. Jackson,Hugh Jackman,Vin Diesel Can U End The Page Protection Sooner Please Coolguy3478 (talk) 03:22, 31 December 2018 (UTC)

You can post them on the talk page of the article. Fish+Karate 12:29, 1 January 2019 (UTC)

Administrators' newsletter – January 2019

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News and updates for administrators from the past month (December 2018).

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Ilhan Omar

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Hi Fish - I got your name from the Sadiq Khan page; you semi-protected it. I thought you might be the right admin to also protect the Ilhan Omar page. Omar is the first Muslim woman in US Congress, (took her seat just this week), and already she is being attacked by alt-right trolls. I made a simple edit for the sake of her safety and it was immediately reversed. I had to make this appeal to the other editor to have my edit accepted. In light of my argument made there, and given the vandalism is already ramping up, would now not be the right time to apply some measure of protection? Or failing that, could you at least put it on your watchlist? Thanks. MarkDask 18:20, 5 January 2019 (UTC)

@Markdask: Hi Mark. The route is usually to post this sort of thing at Wikipedia:Requests for page protection, where it has more chance of being seen quickly, as many admins review that page. I have looked at the history of the Ilhan Omar article, and do not see much in the way of vandalism at present. I also don't think saying someone lives in a large area of a large city is a safety issue, this is publicly-available information. Fish+Karate 14:39, 8 January 2019 (UTC)
Update; I addressed three Admins, including yourself, with my concerns and left it at that. I should have gone to RPP as you suggested. Since then the page turned into a vicious partizan dogfight with some extreme vandalism, but at least it has now been PCPPed so the trolling has abated. Thanks again. MarkDask 16:38, 3 March 2019 (UTC)

I haven't made any

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unhelpful edits. I suggest you examine the tomfoolery introduced by previous editors making a joke out of a simple mistake with silly comments and :) faces, rather than picking on me. Just get off my back. Leaky Caldron 14:23, 8 January 2019 (UTC)

@Leaky caldron: Yes, you have. This was at the very least unhelpful. If you don't like being called out on unhelpful, sarcastic, gloating posts, try not making them. Fish+Karate 14:33, 8 January 2019 (UTC)
Whereas the other comments taking the rise out of a simple mistake which I rectified before one of them was made (check the timestamps) and doing a double rollback were what, exactly? Like to select weakest targets where you will gain most kudos? Leaky Caldron 14:39, 8 January 2019 (UTC)
What on earth are you talking about? Fish+Karate 14:40, 8 January 2019 (UTC)
Read the thread and see where the mockery started before picking out one edit I made. There are others guilty of disruption. I personally resent being singled out in public when others have been just as responsible. Leaky Caldron 14:45, 8 January 2019 (UTC)
I am sorry for making you feel picked on; not my intention and yes, other editors were also not helpful, such as the other editor I also named when singling you out. Fish+Karate 14:53, 8 January 2019 (UTC)
Thanks. He cannot help it - it is clear to me at least that he lacks clue which is why I attempted to close it down at GS's request. So why name me to the clerks and not the others - who were clearly and repeatedly poking fun not only at Hhkohh but also at me and creating disruption. I'm curious. Suppose I get blocked for trying to help GS because you have highlighted my name? You consider that fair? Leaky Caldron 15:00, 8 January 2019 (UTC)
I don't think you are going to be blocked. the difference is Hhkohh and you were picking on the person under scrutiny, who is already under pressure, and does not need his pages being nominated for MFD for no apparent reason (a truly indelicate and shitty thing to do) or sarcastic comments like yours (less bad, but still not good). Other editors were also making snarky comments to one another. I note you came on here expecting me to "get off your back" because I was being "unfair" to you, but at no point have you either retracted the comment you made or apologised to GiantSnowman for making such a comment. I bet you haven't even considered doing so. This is a far worse thing than what you think I did to you in "singling you out" and "highlighting your name". Think about why I mentioned your name in the first place. Fish+Karate 15:59, 8 January 2019 (UTC)
You named me first because I'm an easy target and you will not target your friends elsewhere in that thread. I am not a friend. If you look at the small number of edits I have made on the substantive Arbcon matter you will see that I have been more supportive to GS than many who want him stood down. So I suggest you look at the bigger picture before casting aspirations. My suggestion of using Rollback if he didn't like my comment is far less damaging than the pointy double rollback immediately following my post (with or without an apology 20 hours later). Just as the same person had half-wittedly attempted humour at my expense in the same thread a couple of days earlier. As for you adding your 2p 24 hours later - why? What did it achieve? Fuel on the flames of a fire that was all but out. What exactly did you expect a clerk to do with this: "address Leakycauldron and Hhkohh's unhelpful contributions" when you as an Admin. could have addressed it yourself? The thread is closed. If there are further repercussions against me you can be sure that I will hold you accountable for showing lack of balance in your personal criticism. Leaky Caldron 16:30, 8 January 2019 (UTC)
I don’t know anyone in the thread. I don’t know who you are either. I call them as I see them. What I’ve learned is you clearly don’t think you did anything wrong, and respond when criticised by lashing out and making vague threats, rather than owning your actions. This makes me glad I don’t know who you are. Fish+Karate 17:58, 8 January 2019 (UTC)

"frequent flyer"

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It's kinda off-topic for the ANI thread, but why do you think that? Since the beginning of December (before the current thread opened by CT) I made one drive-by comment on a thread that was neither about me nor involved me, blanked a sock comment, and opened a thread on an issue in which I was not involved, on which you agreed with me that the editor needed a block. In November, some other editors opened threads on issued that I was interested in but in which I was not directly involved, and I contributed to those. October was similar to January until yesterday: I opened a thread on an issue in which I was not directly involved, on which any good-faith editor would have probably done the same. September was similar to December, except I was pinged into a thread as a known policy-familiar editor who speaks both English and Japanese. August was similar to November. I can see how being a "frequent flyer at ANI" might be an issue if one is repeatedly causing disruption and having to be dragged there, wasting the community's time, but the last time I was the "subject" of an ANI thread was July (where virtually everyone agreed I was not at fault) and I don't even remember the time before that (it was certainly well over a year ago, since I went back to June 2017).

I have always thought of myself as just a semi-regular non-admin contributor to ANI, like Softlavender or Beyond My Ken. I have about 2,300 edits to the page, Softlavender has about 5,000, and BMK has about 9,600, and those are just two random names that come to mind: I'm not even sure if they're the worst "offenders".

Hijiri 88 (聖やや) 01:21, 10 January 2019 (UTC)

@Hijiri88:. Hi. It just means you post a lot at ANI. 2,300 is a lot. Regards, Fish+Karate 05:56, 10 January 2019 (UTC)
Well, not recently. I was mostly active there in 2013-2015 (when a series of incidents involving several sock-abusing stalkers of mine brought me back there multiple times) and 2016-2017 (when I did make quite a lot of comments on other people's threads). Recently I realized that the "frequent flyer" thing can make some people peg me for a disruptive editor based solely on that 2,300 figure (and I'm sure that wasn't your intent, but it does look that way), and so I've been basically limiting myself to threads on issues that concern me (this one for example), and even then I'm usually pinged into them, and the occasional issue I feel really needs the community's (or one uninvolved admin's) attention. You may not believe this but I've actually never had ANI on my watchlist, and only check in there every couple of weeks to see if anything's going on. In this most recent case, I just want the whole thing to go away, and so made one brief comment and left it at that. Hijiri 88 (聖やや) 06:14, 10 January 2019 (UTC)
Noted, I shall use the term less. Thanks. Fish+Karate 10:02, 10 January 2019 (UTC)

2019

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Die Zeit, die Tag und Jahre macht

Happy 2019

begin it with music and memories

Not too late, I hope ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 13:51, 13 January 2019 (UTC)

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Assamese people edit warring

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Yes, I should know better.

This issue was extensively discussed in Talk:Indo-Aryan_migration_to_Assam#Content_removal, where the independent counsel was "I suggest that we don't here need to report brief, un-evidenced comments based on muddled thinking. I propose simply to take the Dravidian comment out." from User:Richard Keatinge, which is what I tried to follow I am at a loss how to deal with this situation where simple issues get mired in lengthy Wikipedia processes.

I did give in to my frustration this time, sorry.

Chaipau (talk) 12:32, 31 January 2019 (UTC)

@Chaipau: Thank you. I suggest if simple discussions fail to reach an amicable conclusion then a short, neutrally-worded and focused request for comment might be the best way to gain a consensus on the matter. Fish+Karate 12:40, 31 January 2019 (UTC)
@Fish and karate: Thank you. I have done as you suggested: Talk:Assamese_people#RfC_-_Are_Dravidians_a_component_of_the_Assamese_people? Chaipau (talk) 13:12, 31 January 2019 (UTC)

Administrators' newsletter – February 2019

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News and updates for administrators from the past month (January 2019).

 

  Administrator changes

  Enterprisey • JJMC89
  BorgQueen
  Harro5 • Jenks24 • Graft • R. Baley

  Interface administrator changes

 Enterprisey

  Guideline and policy news

  • A request for comment is currently open to reevaluate the activity requirements for administrators.
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Wikipedia talk:Arbitration/Requests/Case/GiantSnowman/Proposed decision

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Just an FYI (and I didn't realise at first) - you're supposed to comment in your own section, rather than 'thread' the comments of others in reply. GiantSnowman 11:40, 4 February 2019 (UTC)

@GiantSnowman: I guess that makes sense, what with the need to keep Arbcom procedures as obtuse and counterintuitive as possible. Cheers, I'll fix it now. Fish+Karate 11:45, 4 February 2019 (UTC)

I thought you wanted

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to remove both comments and I was happy with that. All you have done, in effect, is move yours and delete my response? Leaky caldron (talk) 12:53, 4 February 2019 (UTC)

@Leaky caldron: Oh, ok. I'll remove mine also. I'm happy to do whatever you prefer here. Fish+Karate 14:02, 4 February 2019 (UTC)

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BLP

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Oh come off it.

Nope. I'll do so when you quit claiming BLP policy -- which deals with statements that are defamatory -- applies to opinions that are rude.

If I said "I think X is a great big meddling know-it-all cunt", that wouldn't be a personal attack because I prefaced it with "I think"?

Also, maybe you should make up hypotheticals that are actually relevant to the policy being discussed (BLP) instead of a different one (NPA), and which said hypotheticals actually reflect the thing actually said. --Calton | Talk 07:37, 19 February 2019 (UTC)

Woosh. So saying "I think Donald Trump is an asshole" is fine because it's just an *opinion*. Got it. Fish+Karate 08:51, 19 February 2019 (UTC)
Facts are just opinions, and opinions can be wrong. --Better of Ted Dlohcierekim (talk) 00:25, 22 February 2019 (UTC)

ani

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[[|thumb|upright=.3|best dramatic performance Dlohcierekim (talk)]]I've been really controlling myself today. Did not post a single one of these. Dlohcierekim (talk) 00:24, 22 February 2019 (UTC)

Well done you. If you'd started dishing those out you'd run out in minutes. Fish+Karate 10:24, 22 February 2019 (UTC)

Request your intervention

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Would you take a look at this which is posted in the comment section of my appeal. It dates back to July 2018, it is irrelevant to my appeal and obviously an attempt to smear me. I responded to this comment but the image is such a distraction it needs to be removed. Atsme✍🏻📧 05:55, 22 February 2019 (UTC)

@Atsme: It's not appropriate for me to edit someone else's statement. I agree it's not particularly relevant to the appeal and is not recent, and have said so. I do note it wasn't funny, either. Fish+Karate 10:33, 22 February 2019 (UTC)

Holiday

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I will be on holiday (vacation for my American friends) until 4 March. Replies will be slow/non existent until then. Fish+Karate 07:05, 23 February 2019 (UTC)

Back! Fish+Karate 09:18, 4 March 2019 (UTC)

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Administrators' newsletter – March 2019

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News and updates for administrators from the past month (February 2019).

  Guideline and policy news

  Technical news

  • A new tool is available to help determine if a given IP is an open proxy/VPN/webhost/compromised host.

  Arbitration

  • The Arbitration Committee announced two new OTRS queues. Both are meant solely for cases involving private information; other cases will continue to be handled at the appropriate venues (e.g., WP:COIN or WP:SPI).
    • paid-en-wp wikipedia.org has been set up to receive private evidence related to abusive paid editing.
    • checkuser-en-wp wikipedia.org has been set up to receive private requests for CheckUser. For instance, requests for IP block exemption for anonymous proxy editing should now be sent to this address instead of the functionaries-en list.

  Miscellaneous

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Question

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I'm a bit confused over what to do about this banner which came about as a result of this discussion. The banner has a chilling effect, is noncompliant with WP:CCC, attempts to enforce a particular POV that is contentious, and discourages discussion about a controversial topic that has a much different definition per multiple tertiary and secondary sources. I've not seen anything like it in the past whereas I have seen results of RfC's and local discussions listed at the top of article TPs, but never a warning like this one. Atsme 📣 📧 11:55, 12 March 2019 (UTC)

@Atsme: You can a) do nothing, b) take it to Wikipedia:Miscellany for deletion, or c) try and discuss it with whoever created the banner. There are other things you can do, but those seem the most sensible. Fish+Karate 16:58, 13 March 2019 (UTC)
Thx, FaK - I'll go with (a). Too busy with other things I enjoy doing. 😊 Atsme 📣 📧 17:23, 13 March 2019 (UTC)

Question

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Hi Fish and karate I have a question, hope you could answer me: the source https://notevenpast.org/lend-lease/ Is it invalid source or not? Đông Minh (talk) 11:08, 15 March 2019 (UTC)

Hey Đông Minh. I would say it is a pretty reliable source; although it is a blog, the front page of https://notevenpast.org/ notes it is a blog produced by the Department of History at the University of Texas at Austin, so it's not a private individual's blog (as described at WP:BLOGS). If you are still not happy you can ask for another opinion at Wikipedia:Reliable sources/Noticeboard. All the best, Fish+Karate 11:14, 15 March 2019 (UTC)
So thank you Fish and karate, have a good day! Đông Minh (talk) 11:16, 15 March 2019 (UTC)

Hello there, the recent blocked user Baccaihp pointed in his edit on the Lend-Lease article diff that the blog entry is considered reliable. This might well be true for a more simplified view and teaching, but not for a serious analysis on the impact it had on the Soviet Union's economic base. Prof. Dr. Albert L. Weeks has written an excellent book on that matter: Russia's Life-Saver: Lend-Lease Aid to the U.S.S.R. in World War II.

It should also be noted that user Baccaihp is a long-term abuser as previous investigations show diff. I seems that Baccaihp is still allowed to make contributions on the vi.wiki. Do you mind to fill a report? Thank you Wildkatzen (talk) 16:09, 21 March 2019 (UTC)

Hi Wildkatzen, noting that Baccaihp has been indefinitely blocked, and I agree that blogs are not usually reliable sources, atlhough the one provided above by Đông Minh (the same person?) seems to me to be quite reliable in that it has been produced by the Department of History at the University of Texas at Austin, rather than an individual. As far as his editing of the Vietnamese Wikipedia, that's really for the Vietnamese Wikipedia to manage. Fish+Karate 16:16, 21 March 2019 (UTC)
Hi Fish and karate, thanks for the quick reply. It appears that action was already taken, sorry to bother you with that. I don't know if the user you mentioned is related to Baccaihp. As for the blog, the article was written by Charters Wynn Ph.D. However, his argumentation differs fundamentally to those made by Prof. Dr. Albert Weeks, which book is cited as 'further readings'. Regards Wildkatzen (talk) 16:34, 21 March 2019 (UTC)

alright ! Wildkatzen and Fish and karate, now me here. Any question ? Đông Minh (talk) 10:50, 24 March 2019 (UTC)

Vendalism

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Hi, I have a question about the wikipedia page that you blocked for vandalism. In their interview they talked about their nationality and about that they sais that they are palestinians living in palestine So why is it considerd vendalism?

Greetings from belgium,

David Echoes David Echoes (talk) 11:58, 16 March 2019 (UTC)

@David Echoes: (from a talk page stalker) You're talking about Borgore#Biography? "Yosef Asaf Borger was born in Holon and raised in Tel Aviv, Israel. He moved to Los Angeles in 2012." I verified the cites (and added one). The video interview in cite 4 is conducted while walking around Hollywood in 2018. He grew up Jewish, though is "non-observant". —[AlanM1(talk)]— 19:36, 16 March 2019 (UTC)
Cheers Alan. Hi David, as Alan says, the reliable sources in the article do not match up with what you say, I'm afraid. Fish+Karate 08:43, 18 March 2019 (UTC)

Vendalism

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Hi No,I was talking about the Rock/Alternative Rock band Khalas. You can check the resources in Khalas’s Wikipedia page and you will find their interview where they clearly say that they are Palestinian band

Greetings

David David Echoes (talk) 20:08, 25 March 2019 (UTC)

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Wakhan Corridor

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Fish and karate, please help me out. A user (Solkarn) is repeatedly changing the article Wakhan Corridor for what I believe are reasons of political bias. The last time, I made a gentle request in the talk page. Now we are basically in an edit war. I believe that it is correct (and supported by all the citations in the article) that the corridor is strictly within Afghanistan (and that was why the British and Russians put it there in the first place), but s/he keeps insisting it is also in Pakistan and Tajikistan. How to proceed? Paulmlieberman (talk) 21:07, 3 April 2019 (UTC)

Administrators' newsletter – April 2019

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News and updates for administrators from the past month (March 2019).

  Technical news

  Arbitration

  Miscellaneous

  • Two more administrator accounts were compromised. Evidence has shown that these attacks, like previous incidents, were due to reusing a password that was used on another website that suffered a data breach. If you have ever used your current password on any other website, you should change it immediately. All admins are strongly encouraged to enable two-factor authentication, please consider doing so. Please always practice appropriate account security by ensuring your password is secure and unique to Wikimedia.
  • As a reminder, according to WP:NOQUORUM, administrators looking to close or relist an AfD should evaluate a nomination that has received few or no comments as if it were a proposed deletion (PROD) prior to determining whether it should be relisted.
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Proposed Deletion for A High-Profile Rapper's Younger Sibling

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I had done this to Acalamari's page but no one replied back in a while about this. Even the subject's talk page didn't receive any responses either.

The rapper in question is Cardi B who had starred in Love and Hip Hop for a half year before leaving the show completely. Younger sister Hennessy Carolina (no really that's her given name; it originates from her father showing up like a drunken zombie during delivery) had starred in a few episodes but unlike her she is a social media personality.

Despite having a career as the above-mentioned profession, subject isn't TOO notable to have her own article which equals a proposed deletion and fellow sysop Acroterion said the deletion did not turn into any consensus on his page.

So please take this action and of course discuss on article talk first. Link: en.wiki.x.io/w/Hennessy_Carolina.

Lights out,

67.81.163.178 (talk) 01:47, 21 April 2019 (UTC)

ArbCom 2019 special circular

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 Administrators must secure their accounts

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This message was sent to all administrators following a recent motion. Thank you for your attention. For the Arbitration Committee, Cameron11598 02:25, 4 May 2019 (UTC)

Template:Wikipedia languages

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Hello Fish and karate. I have requested an update of the languages template by adding a link to the Macedonian Wikipedia after it reached 100,000 articles a week ago, but an admin who joined the discussion appears to be unable of doing a new evaluation. Could you please take care about my request before it goes stale? Thanks. Best regards.--Kiril Simeonovski (talk) 14:27, 4 May 2019 (UTC)

Hi @Kiril Simeonovski: I looked at 10 random pages on the Macedonian Wikipedia and 7 were stubs (one of the others was finding out that the Macedonian version of Footloose was called "Careless", which is quite interesting). The 10 I checked - Stub, Stub, Stub, OK (Footloose),Stub, Stub, OK, Stub, OK, stub
It is not sufficient for a wiki to have a certain number of articles, they must also be of reasonable quality. Stubs and place-holders do not count. The admin you mention (PrimeHunter) is perfectly able to do evaluations, they are of the same opinion as mine - the Macedonian Wikipedia does not yet have sufficient quality articles to be featured on the template, I'm afraid. I hope one day the Macedonian Wikipedia improves the quality of its articles so that it can become featured. Fish+Karate 09:56, 22 May 2019 (UTC)
@Fish and karate: Thanks for your evaluation. My impression is that it should be linked based on the result you obtained. On a population of 100,000 articles, your finding of 3 regular-sized articles out of 10 sampled translates to about 30,000 regular-sized articles, which is about 60 per cent of the minimum threshold for inclusion. If not, what is then the minimum number of non-stub articles required for inclusion? Thanks.--Kiril Simeonovski (talk) 12:36, 22 May 2019 (UTC)
P.S. English-language films are often not literally translated into Macedonian. :) --Kiril Simeonovski (talk) 12:40, 22 May 2019 (UTC)

Administrator account security (Correction to Arbcom 2019 special circular)

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ArbCom would like to apologise and correct our previous mass message in light of the response from the community.

Since November 2018, six administrator accounts have been compromised and temporarily desysopped. In an effort to help improve account security, our intention was to remind administrators of existing policies on account security — that they are required to "have strong passwords and follow appropriate personal security practices." We have updated our procedures to ensure that we enforce these policies more strictly in the future. The policies themselves have not changed. In particular, two-factor authentication remains an optional means of adding extra security to your account. The choice not to enable 2FA will not be considered when deciding to restore sysop privileges to administrator accounts that were compromised.

We are sorry for the wording of our previous message, which did not accurately convey this, and deeply regret the tone in which it was delivered.

For the Arbitration Committee, -Cameron11598 21:03, 4 May 2019 (UTC)

Administrators' newsletter – May 2019

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News and updates for administrators from the past month (April 2019).

  Guideline and policy news

  Technical news

  • XTools Admin Stats, a tool to list admins by administrative actions, has been revamped to support more types of log entries such as AbuseFilter changes. Two additional tools have been integrated into it as well: Steward Stats and Patroller Stats.

  Arbitration

  • In response to the continuing compromise of administrator accounts, the Arbitration Committee passed a motion amending the procedures for return of permissions (diff). In such cases, the committee will review all available information to determine whether the administrator followed "appropriate personal security practices" before restoring permissions; administrators found failing to have adequately done so will not be resysopped automatically. All current administrators have been notified of this change.
  • Following a formal ratification process, the arbitration policy has been amended (diff). Specifically, the two-thirds majority required to remove or suspend an arbitrator now excludes (1) the arbitrator facing suspension or removal, and (2) any inactive arbitrator who does not respond within 30 days to attempts to solicit their feedback on the resolution through all known methods of communication.

  Miscellaneous

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Balloon boy hoax

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Hi, I noticed you locked the balloon boy hoax page due to sock account activity (which is understandable). Could you review the Balloon Boy video on the Internet Historian YouTube channel (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QWhUvm8SunY) and consider either editing or reopening the topic to allow for the counterpoint evidence to be provided? Honestly, even you're not convinced of its veracity the video is an interesting watch. I appreciate your consideration. SOCJUS 1984 (talk) 04:26, 7 May 2019 (UTC)

Hi @SOCJUS 1984:. That is one for the article's talk page, where I suggest you bring this counterpoint evidence for evaluation. Fish+Karate 09:58, 22 May 2019 (UTC)

iBAN advice - How to proceed

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Also tagging: @GiantSnowman:

Hello, Fish and GS. You were two of the key administrators in the discussion that led to the iBAN, so I am coming to you for this. Hijiri88 inadvertently violated our two-way iBAN by adding templates to content I added to Hellraiser: Judgment (see: [1], [2]). This appears to be a pure accident, and was instantly self-reverted.

However, in the self-revert, he also mentions "The source is unreliable, but I don't want to be the one to tag it given something else."

If someone else comes in and makes the edit for him, and I have to discuss the content (and only the content) with that someone, I could still be accused of violating the iBAN, after his accidental violation of the iBAN, possibly reigniting a shit storm that I don't want any part of. That's why I'm asking your advice on how to proceed. DarkKnight2149 02:27, 4 June 2019 (UTC)

Happy to take guidance from F&K, but I'm not sure this is actionable. GiantSnowman 07:45, 4 June 2019 (UTC)
@GiantSnowman: To clarify, I'm not looking for any action to be taken, but rather advice on what to do should someone else reinstate the edit. Would I be able to discuss it without being accused of violating the iBAN (as long as the discussion is exclusively on the content itself)? The edit is, after all, templates on content contributed by me. DarkKnight2149 08:26, 4 June 2019 (UTC)
I would say yes, you can discuss somebody else making the same/similar edit and not violate the IBAN. GiantSnowman 08:33, 4 June 2019 (UTC)
@Darkknight2149: My view is that you should probably find something else to do other than nibbling at the edges of the IBAN; at this point nobody else has reinstated the edit so this is a hypothetical situation. Should the edit be reinstated then we can cross that bridge as and when we come to it, but perhaps in the interim you could consider obviating the need for this scenario by finding a better source yourself. Fish+Karate 13:59, 4 June 2019 (UTC)
I wouldn't have brought it here if not for the exact wording of the edit summary that implicitly suggested that someone else make the edit (which would necessitate discussing it with that person, obviously without mentioning the other party). And I'm not deliberately nibbling at anything. It's a legitimate question about the iBAN. I actually came here to avoid some massive conflict from breaking out, and WP:IBAN encourages administrator consultation in situations like this.
And keep in mind that Hellraiser: Judgment is an article edited almost exclusively by me. I'm not pointing this out to declare ownership, but it's certainly important to point out in this situation. Rest assured, should a discussion take place, the other party will not be mentioned (even vaguely) per GS. DarkKnight2149 19:02, 4 June 2019 (UTC)

"by finding a better source yourself" - Fish, all of the sources that were tagged were interviews with the writer/director himself. I don't see how that's unreliable. DarkKnight2149 19:08, 4 June 2019 (UTC)

@Darkknight2149: Asking questions is fine, it's absolutely the right thing to do, please don't stop doing that. By "nibbling at the edges" I was talking about addressing H88's editing elsewhere on the wiki, even by proxy, or exploring hypotheticals thereof. Regarding the source, I wasn't so much saying it was unreliable as I was asking is there any better / less ephemeral source for those small parts of the content of the overall article (which, by the way, is a great article, well done) than a YouTube channel? If there is, swap it out, problem solved. Fish+Karate 10:50, 5 June 2019 (UTC)

Administrators' newsletter – June 2019

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News and updates for administrators from the past month (May 2019).

 

  Administrator changes

  Andonic • Consumed Crustacean • Enigmaman • Euryalus • EWS23 • HereToHelp • Nv8200pa • Peripitus • StringTheory11 • Vejvančický

  CheckUser changes

  Ivanvector

  Guideline and policy news

  • An RfC seeks to clarify whether WP:OUTING should include information on just the English Wikipedia or any Wikimedia project.
  • An RfC on WT:RfA concluded that Requests for adminship and bureaucratship are discussions seeking to build consensus.
  • An RfC proposal to make the templates for discussion (TfD) process more like the requested moves (RM) process, i.e. "as a clearinghouse of template discussions", was closed as successful.

  Technical news

  • The CSD feature of Twinkle now allows admins to notify page creators of deletion if the page had not been tagged. The default behavior matches that of tagging notifications, and replaces the ability to open the user talk page upon deletion. You can customize which criteria receive notifications in your Twinkle preferences: look for Notify page creator when deleting under these criteria.
  • Twinkle's d-batch (batch delete) feature now supports deleting subpages (and related redirects and talk pages) of each page. The pages will be listed first but use with caution! The und-batch (batch undelete) option can now also restore talk pages.

  Miscellaneous

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Block request and goodbye

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I have made the decision to indefinitely retire from editing Wikipedia. I request that my account be blocked to enforce this and in the unlikley chance the account is compromised. I did enjoy the year I was part of the community of editors, and it is sad that I must move on. funplussmart (talk) 20:39, 21 June 2019 (UTC)

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