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Request for Comments on use of certain files not copyrighted in the US

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Hello,

There is an ongoing discussion about the use of files on Wikipedia that are not protected by copyright in the US because there is no copyright relations between the US and the country of publication. You commented in a 2012 discussion on the same topic that resulted in no consensus. You are invited to share your views in the ongoing discussion. AHeneen (talk) 21:16, 3 January 2017 (UTC)Reply

Thanks for the pointer on CommonsCat handling

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Thanks, I didn't realize that Wikidata was the place to put commons categories. I'm very impressed with the infrastructure you've built on the Russian Districts (with ymblanter and others); if I'm doing anything that breaks your programming or format, please let me know. I've been trying to fill in missing citations and reference links as I see on the list of WikiProject Russia Articles for Cleanup. Mostly this is to get a better feeling for the variety of districts as I write more extented geography/history/economy sections. Thanks again. Every-leaf-that-trembles (talk) 22:37, 5 January 2017 (UTC)Reply

You have no idea how glad I am that you are finding the infrastructure useful :) That was the whole idea—to have a skeleton in place so folks who want to contribute can start growing meat on it right away, instead of first having to figure out how to best lay everything out and the intricacies of formatting (and inevitably doing it inconsistently across different articles) and then running out of steam when it comes to adding actual content. You, Yaroslav, Fenix down, and others are the real stars of this show. I wish I could start contributing more content myself, but real-life circumstances keep interfering, so I'm happy that at least my gnoming and morlocking around are of some benefit to y'all :)
And don't worry too much about breaking anything. I have a semi-random beat schedule to check back on everything on my watchlist, so if anything isn't quite right, I'll catch it eventually. I also normally leave a comment in the edit summary if anything needs to be pointed out, so as long as you have the articles you worked on on your watchlist, they should pop up for you. And of course, if there's anything you want me to look at specifically, just let me know. Cheers,—Ëzhiki (Igels Hérissonovich Ïzhakoff-Amursky) • (yo?); January 6, 2017; 16:33 (UTC)
I'm happy to help. Is there a particular talk page that is used for communicating "to do" items among the editors working on Russian districts? Also, is there a checklist of standards for a "start" quality assessment? I would think elevating a district article above "stub" is a matter of adding sections on geography, history, governmental sub-units, and economy to the basic layout. For example, it appears to me that Kholmogorsky District should be at least a "start", but is marked as "stub". (PS, I had to look up "morlock"; not sure which of the disambiguations to follow). Every-leaf-that-trembles (talk) 22:01, 10 January 2017 (UTC)Reply
All articles on the districts I worked on are (at least) start-class, though some of them can be still classified as stubs. I just updated the talk page of Kholmogorsky District, thanks for pointing it out.--Ymblanter (talk) 12:08, 11 January 2017 (UTC)Reply
@Ymblanter: As an exercise, I upgraded the assessment for Talk:Konoshsky District, with comments on my use of the criteria. If you get a chance, could you check to see if I did this correctly; I've never done an assessment before. I can do assessments on Russian district articles as I'm on them frequently. I see for example, that several of the Arkhangelsk articles are still marked Stub, and should be Start or C. Every-leaf-that-trembles (talk) 16:34, 11 January 2017 (UTC)Reply
We don't really have well-defined assessment criteria in place. Most, if not all, assessments have been done by the seat of pants, so if you feel any one of them should be upgraded (or downgraded), feel free to do it. The whole assessment system is only used to get a rough estimate of the amount of work we have, so an occasional mismatch isn't going to break anything. And yes, adding a section or two to a stub is normally all it takes to elevate it to Start status.
As for communicating to-do items, the best place would be WT:RUSSIA. Don't expect crowds of contributors pitching in after you ask anything, though :) Oftentimes me and Yaroslav are the only ones around, but it's still better to use the project page than our talk pages since you never know when someone else decides to comment. You can also utilize taskforce talk pages (such as WT:WikiProject Russia/Human geography of Russia task force), but those are seen by even fewer people than the main project's.—Ëzhiki (Igels Hérissonovich Ïzhakoff-Amursky) • (yo?); January 11, 2017; 16:51 (UTC)

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Поддерживает ли система категорий деление на гражданство и этническую принадлежность?

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Приветствую! Я к вам несколько раз обращался, спасибо за помощь в предыдущие разы, последний из которых был, получается, в 2013.)) Есть новая проблема, которая на самом деле совсем не новая и широко известная.)) Не могли бы вы помочь с категориями People of Russia (как раз я когда-то создал и назвал так же, как было на Викискладе, а там категория создана ещё в 2005 году) и Russian people? Я не так часто редактирую в последнее время, но сейчас наткнулся на правки участницы-администратора, которые завершают объединение двух разных, но пересекающихся понятий, в одну категорию. Она указывает, что система категорий в англовики не поддерживает такое разделение. Я плохо знаком с англовики, но разве так может быть? Вижу, что вполне нормально существует вот такая категория этнических курдов с разными гражданствами. Возможно, она не поняла о чём речь, а я вряд ли в таком случае смогу объяснить. По крайней мере на Викискладе и, например, немецкой Википедии технических проблем нет, и существуют две разных категории (commons:Category:People of Russia/commons:Category:Russians и de:Kategorie:Person (Russland)/de:Kategorie:Russe). Есть также статьи de:Russländisch/de:Russen. Что можно сделать? Могут ли в англовики существовать эти две категории или как по-другому назвать категории, чтобы разделить понятия? Наверняка уже были похожие темы и прецеденты, кроме курдов, британцев и т.д. Если возможно, поправьте, пожалуйста, описания категорий, чтобы было точно понятно о чём они, а то, мягко говоря, уж очень страдает точность, если загнать в одну категорию всех этнических русских и граждан России всех этнических групп. --TarzanASG (talk) 02:51, 24 January 2017 (UTC)Reply

Я подобных прецедентов не припоминаю, но, если не ошибаюсь, в en_wiki для отдельных людей существуют только категории по нац. принадлежности, но не по стране проживания. Т.е. русские включаются в категорию Category:Russian people, татары — в категорию Category:Tatar people, удмурты — в Category:Udmurt people и т.д. и т.п. Все эти категории затем включаются (или по крайней мере должны включаться) в Category:Ethnic groups in Russia, и уже через эту категорию становится как бы понятно, кто такие "people in Russia". В de_wiki, по-видимому, подход другой. Насчёт курдов, это всё-таки нетипичная ситуация, поскольку своей страны у курдов нет.
Но я с вами согласен, что уравнивать термины "Russian people" и "people of Russia" не вполне корректно, поэтому перенаправил "People of Russia" на "Ethnic groups in Russia". Если будут возражения, дискуссию можно продолжить.—Ëzhiki (Igels Hérissonovich Ïzhakoff-Amursky) • (yo?); January 25, 2017; 17:48 (UTC)
Спасибо за перенаправление перенаправления, но это не единственная проблема. Сейчас вижу такую ситуацию. Две категории с многими этническими группами такие как Russian people by ethnic or national origin и Ethnic groups in Russia входят в категорию Russian people, которая входит в Slavic people by nationality. Проблема в том, что в этом конкретном виде эта цепочка, кажется, неверна. Надо бы как-то переформатировать и другие категории, а также чтобы было правильное соответствие Викискладу и Викиданным. Просто удалить Russian people из категории Slavic people by nationality тоже нельзя, т.к. надо добавить туда что-то взамен, написанное на английском языке. Я не знаю как именно это сделать, как именно назвать, чтобы это было очевидно другим участникам английской Википедии и не было возражений как сейчас с категорией People of Russia. Не могли бы вы уделить внимание этому вопросу, создать/отредактировать такие категории? На эти категории всё-таки "нанизываются" все остальные. Если на Викискладе более-менее понятные категории (commons:Category:People of Russia, commons:Category:Russians by country, commons:Category:Tatar people by country и так далее), то, наверное, это можно сделать и в англовики. Сейчас из-за Викиданных все неточности всё равно вылезут, встретятся вместе и превратятся в ошибки в других проектах. Что касается своей страны, то, кажется, она не должна мешать "разложить всё по полочкам". Несмотря на то, что у народа хань своя страна есть, в английском разделе, как я сейчас понял, в одну кучу всё не смешивается. Есть категория об этнической группе Han Chinese, а есть о населении Китая Chinese people, а также есть отдельное название Хуацяо для разных граждан Китая, живущих за границей. Хотя если говорить о положении де-юре, то всё может быть ещё сложнее с определением есть ли своя страна. По конституции государство принадлежит гражданской нации под названием "многонациональный народ России". Там же говорится и о том, что "каждый вправе определять и указывать свою национальную принадлежность, и никто не может быть принужден к определению и указанию своей национальной принадлежности". Есть даже официальные результаты переписи населения, согласно которой в РФ проживают, платят налоги и голосуют на выборах граждане, которые указывают свою этническую принадлежность как джедаи, гномы, лешие, орки, гоблины, хоббиты, полудницы, эльфы, толкинисты, марсиане и т.д. Но это совершенно отдельный важный вопрос, о нём не сейчас.)) --TarzanASG (talk) 21:25, 25 January 2017 (UTC)Reply

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Zhivoye Dyelo

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По моему нуждается в переименование. XXN, 20:11, 24 January 2017 (UTC)Reply

Yup; thanks. Done.—Ëzhiki (Igels Hérissonovich Ïzhakoff-Amursky) • (yo?); January 25, 2017; 17:19 (UTC)

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Please comment on Wikipedia talk:Naming conventions (geographic names)

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Weinberg and Wrangel, but "Libknekht"

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Hi,

Why is Mieczysław Weinberg (not Vaynberg), Ferdinand von Wrangel and Wrangel Island (not Vrangel), but Imeni Karla Libknekhta (not Liebknechta)? --Christmas Island (talk) 20:57, 24 February 2017 (UTC)Reply

Because Wrangel Island is an established name in the English literature, and we just use it; on the other side, Imeni Karla Libknekhta does not have an established English name, and we just romanize it according to WP:RUS.--Ymblanter (talk) 01:17, 25 February 2017 (UTC)Reply
However, the settlement is named after Karl Liebknecht, not "Karl Libknekht". --2001:999:22:B187:8557:5049:84F2:D893 (talk) 19:08, 1 March 2017 (UTC)Reply
It is irrelevant.--Ymblanter (talk) 19:13, 1 March 2017 (UTC)Reply
It is not irrelevant, the Wrangel Island in Russia is named after Ferdinand von Wrangel, not "Vrangel". --2001:999:22:B187:8557:5049:84F2:D893 (talk) 19:32, 1 March 2017 (UTC)Reply
This is also irrelevant. There are no Wikipedia policies which say anything close to this.--Ymblanter (talk) 19:37, 1 March 2017 (UTC)Reply
Yaroslav, thanks for pitching in, but please be aware that he is just trolling. He's been asking me this same question (sometimes about this settlement, sometimes about others) repeatedly for, oh, at least eight years, keeps fishing other people's pages at random to get them to agree with him, and never introduces any new arguments even as those arguments have no merit behind them from either Wikipedia guidelines point of view or general transliteration practices. There's nothing you or me can tell him that hasn't been explained before.—Ëzhiki (Igels Hérissonovich Ïzhakoff-Amursky) • (yo?); March 2, 2017; 14:18 (UTC)
Also known as WPK on fi-wiki and on Wikimedia Commons (blocked indefinetely on Commons). No sources/arguments given, just new accounts to repeat things all over again (also lots of IP addresses beginning with 85.76. or 2001:999:. Recommending just to ignore. (I have seen lots of stuff made by this certain user of fi-wiki and Commons but also here on English Wikipedia.)--80.223.190.250 (talk) 15:05, 2 March 2017 (UTC)Reply

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Revert

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Hello.

As you might have noticed, I reverted your revert. My edit, that you reverted, was fixing inconsistent dates. Obviously one has to be chosen.

I also changed some other things. If you disagree on some changes in an edit, please do not revert all of it, revert only what you disagree with and keep the rest.

Thanks.

Regards

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I was just leaving you a message about the same on your talk page :) Let me know if you have any further questions. Cheers,—Ëzhiki (Igels Hérissonovich Ïzhakoff-Amursky) • (yo?); March 9, 2017; 14:18 (UTC)
It was actually you who was the sinner ;-), changing the date format from the original format almost 10 years ago, but I guess that the statute of limitations for that has expired.
Cheers, and have a nice day.
HandsomeFella (talk) 14:29, 9 March 2017 (UTC)Reply
I know; that's what I meant when I said that I misread the direction of your change :) Every year I vow to never start editing before I have my morning coffee, because this is the kind of shit that keeps happening to me when I do, and yet here I am in the same trap again!—Ëzhiki (Igels Hérissonovich Ïzhakoff-Amursky) • (yo?); March 9, 2017; 14:32 (UTC)

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Dolgoshchelskoye Rural Settlement

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Hi Ezhiki, I hope you are fine. We now got this article, and it is likely we will be getting more of this kind. Do we have a structural solution? Redirects for municipal districts are under control, I have created more than a half of those, and I am still creating them on a regular basis.--Ymblanter (talk) 17:31, 28 March 2017 (UTC)Reply

Hi, Yaroslav! Always a pleasure to hear from you. Thanks for doing the redirects; I hate that part! :)
I'm doing fine, but it's been incredibly difficult to keep my usual contributions level ever since I changed jobs last year. I'll get there eventually, though.
Rural settlements, as you can imagine, are on my to-do list (like a million other things), but I don't believe we are at a point yet where creating mass stubs about them is a smart move. I wouldn't worry about occasional one-off articles like this one, but if anybody starts mass-producing underdeveloped stubs, they should probably be brought in on board and explained what the "grand vision" is :) If nothing else, explain that cleaning up crap is a lot harder than developing a well-thought workflow and sticking to it to the end.
Additionally, since we are focusing on the administrative divisions as the primary article topics (into which information about municipal divisions normally gets upmerged), there shouldn't be any articles about municipal rural settlements unless a) such municipal rural settlements span multiple selsoviets or account for only a portion of a selsoviet; b) rural settlements are considered to be both administrative and municipal divisions within the federal subject, or c) there are no low-level administrative divisions in the federal subject. For most of Arkhangelsk Oblast, the territories of the selsoviets and the rural settlement coincide, so I would move this article to Dolgoshchelsky Selsoviet, address the municipal aspect within it (same way we address municipal district aspects in the articles about administrative districts), and redirect Dolgoshchelskoye Rural Settlement to it.
If you encounter any more like these and are not sure where they should be moved to (or if they should be moved at all), just drop me a note. I can always find time to answer something like that. But I'd very much prefer to first establish the network of disambiguation pages/set indices/redirects for the selsoviets and rural settlements, along the line of what's already been done for the districts. I have all the information for a job like that; all I need is time. Cheers,—Ëzhiki (Igels Hérissonovich Ïzhakoff-Amursky) • (yo?); March 28, 2017; 18:33 (UTC)
Thanks a lot. No, I do not thing we will see proliferation of these articles right now, but they certainly will be eventually created.--Ymblanter (talk) 18:51, 28 March 2017 (UTC)Reply

Who is Max Laserson??

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Hey, long time no talk! I found the discrepancy between Maksis Lazersons and the corresponding Russian page troubling. From the English page, you'd never know he was ever in Australia; from the Russian one you'd never know he was ever in America. It's not impossible they're both correct, that he was in Australia till 1948 and then came to the US, taught college, and died, but it seems very odd. I have a book of his, and from the brief bio it's clear the part about the US is true, but maybe the Australia passage in the Russian page is a fantasy? (There's no reference.) Also, why is the English page called "Maksis Lazersons" when he called himself Max Laserson in English? (The book has "Max M. Laserson" on the cover.) Anyway, I thought I'd dump it in your lap and take the opportunity to say that as fed up as I get with Wikipedia, I always think fondly of you and hope you're doing well. Languagehat (talk) 20:09, 29 March 2017 (UTC)Reply

Great to hear from you, too! Especially when you are bearing gifts :)
I've never heard of this person before today, but a quick search (the results of which you may or may not have already seen) reveals a short article in the Russian Jewish Encyclopedia (which makes no mention of Australia), a research paper (ditto), and this excerpt of questionable provenance, containing Laserson's correspondence, where he explicitly states that he was in the US in 1939.
The user who added the Australia passage has not, unfortunately, been editing Wikipedia since 2016, but I see he explicitly replaced the US part with Australia part, and I see that part matching this excerpt, but since it's only a snippet view, it's not very helpful. After a bit of detective work, I can confirm that page 456 of that volume is, in fact, where the chapter about Laserson ends, but this really doesn't help answering your question. However, the snippet of page 451 (where the chapter begins) says that "Moris Lazerson" was born in Mitau (old name of Jelgava), but in 1879, so it's likely it's a different person altogether and things have mixed up quite a bit everywhere. Sorry for not being of more help, but this is not a subject I'd have anything about in my library! Hopefully these findings will whet your appetite for fixing things, at least here in the English wiki :)
As for the article's title, you are absolutely right—it should be moved. That part is taken care of now. Cheers,—Ëzhiki (Igels Hérissonovich Ïzhakoff-Amursky) • (yo?); March 29, 2017; 21:20 (UTC)
Many thanks for your dogged research! I've lost most of my taste for editing, apart from the occasional uncontroversial addition of a pronunciation or grammatical cleanup, thanks to too many run-ins with rule-obsessed and/or personally invested editors, so I'll just let the whole thing rest in peace until a more ambitious Wikipedian comes along. Languagehat (talk) 18:10, 30 March 2017 (UTC)Reply
Well, that's a pity, but I understand. Anyway, I've restored the pre-Australia passage on the ru_wiki side, so the articles are now at least somewhat in sync.—Ëzhiki (Igels Hérissonovich Ïzhakoff-Amursky) • (yo?); March 30, 2017; 18:25 (UTC)

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A barnstar for you!

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  The Barnstar of Diligence
This barnstar, awarded in the stead of the Turknish national barnstar, is awarded to Ezhiki for his immense contributions to Wikipedia's coverage of Turkey. Gott mit Uns! Vami_IV✠ 04:35, 7 April 2017 (UTC)Reply
You must have confused me with someone else. If I ever contributed to Turkey subjects, it could not have been of any notable volume, quality, or depth.—Ëzhiki (Igels Hérissonovich Ïzhakoff-Amursky) • (yo?); April 7, 2017; 13:21 (UTC)

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Yarovoy

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Conroversial notability of several persons.Xx236 (talk) 06:17, 12 April 2017 (UTC)Reply

But it's a disambiguation page, not an article. As long as those entries meet WP:DABRL, there is no problem with including them.—Ëzhiki (Igels Hérissonovich Ïzhakoff-Amursky) • (yo?); April 12, 2017; 19:03 (UTC)
Victor Merzhanov doesn't reference informations about students. It's probably a translation from Russian, not referenced. Xx236 (talk) 06:06, 13 April 2017 (UTC)Reply
For WP:DABRL purposes, mentions do not need to be referenced, only included. On the other hand, if the veracity/notability of the included information is in question or doubt, then it can be removed from the article, as is the case with any other unsourced material. In that case the disambiguation page entry should be removed as well.—Ëzhiki (Igels Hérissonovich Ïzhakoff-Amursky) • (yo?); April 13, 2017; 12:59 (UTC)

FoP

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Привет, друг!!! Ты можешь по ссылке посмотреть чего там намудрили с толкованием нашего ГК упертые пользователи склада? Ну чесс слово не понимаю их рвения. В обсуждении попытался растолковать, но, боюсь меня не поймут )). --M. J. Lee Khan talk 11:22, 16 April 2017 (UTC)Reply

Привет! Сколько лет, сколько зим :)
К сожалению, моё знание российского права ограничено административно-территориальным и муниципальным устройством страны, поэтому с интепретацией ГК я помочь не могу. Хотя хочу отметить, что довольно странно выглядит сама процедура номинации изображений в одной большой куче, вместо того чтобы как следует рассмотреть каждое по-отдельности, но я вижу по этому поводу уже кто-то прокомментировал.—Ëzhiki (Igels Hérissonovich Ïzhakoff-Amursky) • (yo?); April 17, 2017; 11:23 (UTC)
Да, там уже подключились спецы )). Пришлось поизучать предмет. Есть нюансы. К части можно применить правило "минимис", а часть перегрузить в рувики. Это формально. А по факту - излишняя паранойя. Как сам? ;) --M. J. Lee Khan talk 08:52, 18 April 2017 (UTC)Reply
Я лет десять назад или около того сфотографировал статую Эйфеля у подножия Эйфелевой башни. Страшненькая такая фотография была, и статуя сама была лесами полузатянута, но на неимением в то время ничего лучшего, загрузил что было. Через некоторое время фотографию удалили. Так я узнал, что такое FoP и с тех пор к проекту Commons значительно охладел :)
Сам ничего вроде бы. Вот работу поменял в прошлом году и времени на Википедию существенно поубавилось, но ничего, прорвёмся. А у тебя как дела? Со здоровьем нормально? А то как ни появишься, то только потому, что болеешь :)—Ëzhiki (Igels Hérissonovich Ïzhakoff-Amursky) • (yo?); April 18, 2017; 13:16 (UTC)
Да пока всё также. Без значительных изменений в ту или иную сторону. И то хорошо ). Собираюсь на очередное обследование на днях. Да по бытовухе полоса пока затяжная (хлопот разных величин). Тоже прорываемся помаленьку. Тут изредка появляюсь. Но чаще так, без аутентификации. Быренько подправить косяк какой. А на что-то поглубже нет времени да и честно особого желания. Это же такой процесс - затянет и не выбраться. Пока погружаться не получается. Очень рад тебя слышать )) yo!!!--M. J. Lee Khan talk 17:49, 18 April 2017 (UTC)Reply
"Затянет и не выбраться", ну да, что же мне, одному в болоте сидеть? :) Ну а вообще рад, что всё хорошо. Появляйся что ли почаще, пусть хоть и набегами!—Ëzhiki (Igels Hérissonovich Ïzhakoff-Amursky) • (yo?); April 18, 2017; 19:16 (UTC)

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Please comment on Template talk:Infobox deity

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Precious

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"Where patience ends endurance begins."

Thank you for quality articles on Russian topics such as Kola Peninsula and History of the administrative division of Russia, for service since 2004, for "Where patience ends endurance begins.", - self-appointed keeper of consistency, you are an awesome Wikipedian!

--Gerda Arendt (talk) 13:43, 2 May 2017 (UTC)Reply

Thank you, Gerda, I appreciate the sentiment.—Ëzhiki (Igels Hérissonovich Ïzhakoff-Amursky) • (yo?); May 2, 2017; 14:04 (UTC)
A year ago, you were recipient no. 1647 of Precious, a prize of QAI! --Gerda Arendt (talk) 06:46, 2 May 2018 (UTC)Reply

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Administrators' newsletter – May 2017

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News and updates for administrators from the past month (April 2017).

 

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Administrators' newsletter – June 2017

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Wikidata weekly summary #263

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Hi, can you or Ymblanter fix the names of the women in English? It's for a world women contest I'm running.♦ Dr. Blofeld 10:25, 11 June 2017 (UTC)Reply

But we don't speak Azerbaijani :)—Ëzhiki (Igels Hérissonovich Ïzhakoff-Amursky) • (yo?); June 12, 2017; 18:12 (UTC)
Ah, I thought you had a command of the Cyrillic languages!♦ Dr. Blofeld 09:29, 16 June 2017 (UTC)Reply
Well, Cyrillic is just a script, man :) I can kinda sorta serve as a resource of last resort for Slavic languages (Ukrainian, Belarusian, Bulgarian...), but I asking me to help with Azerbaijani, Mongolian, or Tatar is like asking you to help with Vietnamese—just because it's more or less in the same script as your native language doesn't necessarily mean you can do much with it! (I did go through half of the Russian list, though). Cheers,—Ëzhiki (Igels Hérissonovich Ïzhakoff-Amursky) • (yo?); June 16, 2017; 12:54 (UTC)

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Borzoy

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Possibly outside your core area, but would be very much appreciated if you could translate something from the Russian article to put together a short stub. Right now when we link this town of 4,000 people, it goes to a dog breed (Borzoi)!! Cheers and thanks Buckshot06 (talk) 22:45, 14 June 2017 (UTC)Reply

Nope, this is pretty much inside my core area :) I've created a stub at Borzoy; enjoy!—Ëzhiki (Igels Hérissonovich Ïzhakoff-Amursky) • (yo?); June 15, 2017; 14:26 (UTC)

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This is to inform you that an attempt is being made to overturn an RfC that you voted on

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This is to inform you that an attempt is being made to overturn an RfC that you voted on (2 RfCs, actually, one less than six months ago and another a year ago). The new RfC is at:

Wikipedia:Village pump (policy)#RfC: Allow private schools to be characterized as non-affiliated as well as religious, in infobox?

Specifically, it asks that "religion = none" be allowed in the infobox.

The first RfC that this new RfC is trying to overturn is:

The result of that RfC was "unambiguously in favour of omitting the parameter altogether for 'none' " and despite the RfC title, additionally found that "There's no obvious reason why this would not apply to historical or fictional characters, institutions etc.", and that nonreligions listed in the religion entry should be removed when found "in any article".

The second RfC that this new RfC is trying to overturn is:

The result of that RfC was that the "in all Wikipedia articles, without exception, nonreligions should not be listed in the Religion= parameter of the infobox.".

Note: I am informing everyone who commented on the above RfCs, whether they supported or opposed the final consensus. --Guy Macon (talk) 03:35, 26 June 2017 (UTC)Reply

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Please comment on Wikipedia talk:Manual of Style/Layout

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Sputnik, Vladikavkaz

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Do you need to add this locality to Sputnik (rural locality)? Or is it not rural, in which case would you consider adding a note to Sputnik (disambiguation)? Cheers and thanks for all the hard work, Buckshot06 (talk) 21:52, 30 June 2017 (UTC)Reply

Might you consider a set index for Krasnaya Rechka? Buckshot06 (talk) 22:45, 2 July 2017 (UTC)Reply
That Sputnik is not a standalone inhabited locality; it's one of those weird cases where a place is a part of a larger place yet is still called a "settlement". Usually those are either former settlements gobbled up by a bigger one (so, basically, a microdistrict, but still referred to as "settlement") or some sort of military/scientific installation with an attached residential area. The bottom line: if it's not listed in the federal subject's registry of the administrative-territorial divisions (which this Sputnik is not), it's not a separate place. That said, it doesn't mean it can't have an article of its own, but it would have to be a notable enough place on its own merits. Also, a disambig entry cannot be added until the place is at least redlinked from somewhere else (see WP:DABRL).
Krasnaya Rechka, on the other hand, is now a set index, as requested. Enjoy!—Ëzhiki (Igels Hérissonovich Ïzhakoff-Amursky) • (yo?); July 6, 2017; 14:20 (UTC)

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Administrators' newsletter – July 2017

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Please comment on Talk:Kombucha

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Administrators' newsletter – August 2017

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Мировой заговор против Азербайджана

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Коллега, вы не могли бы посмотреть статью Cognac diplomacy? Там коллеги из Азербайджана пытаются протолкнуть версию, мол, Армения и Джордж Сорос подрядили ведущие международные правозащитные организации, Human Rights Watch, Amnesty International, Helsinki Committee for Human Rights, и т.д., чтобы очернить демократичный Азербайджан. Пользуясь, видимо, незнанием английскими редакторами русского языка, в статью вводятся русские источники, никакого отношения к лоббистской деятельности не имеющие. Например шутливая фраза из статьи о коньяке "Армянский коньяк – это национальное достояние, я бы даже назвал его национальной дипломатией. Не секрет, что все мы хоть раз в жизни да и решали какой-нибудь вопрос бутылкой армянского коньяка" приводится как доказательство того, что существует такой "коньячный" заговор против Азербайджана. Или делают целую секцию на основе голословного заявления какого-то депутата, мол Армения подкупила Венецианскую комиссию, потому что та дала положительное заключение по законодательству по референдумам в Армении. Поскольку делают это редакторы из Азербайджана, они прекрасно понимают контекст и свои действия. Вы не могли бы, как понимающий русский язык, посмотреть статью (две версии [2], [3], обсуждение удаления - [4])? Я написал еще нескольким русскоязычным редакторам, в т.ч. Ярославу Блантеру, но их вроде нет в Википедии. Divot (talk) 15:23, 1 August 2017 (UTC)Reply

2017 Chukotka Population Estimates

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Hi Ezhiki, can you tell me whether something is missing from the bottom of this table? I'm not seeing anything listed for Iultinsky, Providensky or Chaunsky Districts. Is this an issue with what has been uploaded, or has there been a reorganization of the municipal districts so that localities previously in these districts are now contained within Egvekinot, Provideniya and Pevek Urban Okrugs? Fenix down (talk) 10:45, 2 August 2017 (UTC)Reply

Yes, this is due to the changes to the municipal structure (which I still haven't had time to implement here on Wikipedia, arghh). Iultinsky (Municipal) District is now Egvekinot Urban Okrug, Providensky (Municipal) District is now Providensky Urban Okrug (note that it's Providensky, and not Provideniya as the population stats table says), and Chaunsky (Municipal) District is now Pevek Urban Okrug.—Ëzhiki (Igels Hérissonovich Ïzhakoff-Amursky) • (yo?); August 2, 2017; 17:43 (UTC)

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Emperor railway station, Pushkin town

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I wrote this page https://en.wiki.x.io/wiki/Emperor_railway_station,_Pushkin_town

It has received this notice

This article needs attention from an expert in Russia. The specific problem is: The article needs a proper title, can not identified because of non-English sources. WikiProject Russia may be able to help recruit an expert. (July 2017)

I speak Russian, I currently live within a kilometer of this building, the content is basically the same as the French and Russian pages, the sources are taken from the Russian pages, the title is the same used for the category "Emperor railway station, Pushkin town"; and I provided many of the photos.

So is this notice needed?

To make matters worse the article now boasts a title which is simply a mixture of its Russian name and English "Imperatorsky pavilyon" is not English and is the latin version of its cyrillic name in Russian. It is therefore completely incorrect. Do you really think a transliterated version of the Russian name in English is appropriate and correct? I suggest "Emperor's Pavilion / Railway Station" Harveyqs

Hi there! To answer your question, Russian toponyms (which is what railway station names are) in the English Wikipedia are never translated, only transliterated, unless one can demonstrate that the commonly recognized name policy applies. For the vast majority of places, it does not, and this one in particular is certainly rather obscure to qualify. That said, there is nothing wrong with including a literal translation in the lede. The name of the category is actually irrelevant, since it is on the Commons, which probably has different standards than those on the English Wikipedia. By the looks of it, it should probably be renamed on the Commons as well, but since I'm not involved with the Commons, I can't really help you there.
As for the hatnote ("the article needs attention from an expert in Russia"), you might want to contact the person who added it (User:usernamekiran) to clarify what their expectations are.
If you have any other questions for me, please don't hesitate to ask. If it is easier for you to do so in Russian, I don't mind, as long as the discussion is confined to my talk page. Cheers!—Ëzhiki (Igels Hérissonovich Ïzhakoff-Amursky) • (yo?); August 10, 2017; 15:31 (UTC)
@Harveyqs: Hi. The only reason for the hatnote is the title of the article. As long as the title is correct, I dont have any problem. :)
Also, I think this discussion should be moved to the article's talkpage for future reference. —usernamekiran(talk) 19:17, 10 August 2017 (UTC)Reply
Thanks for your reply! I will indeed copy the discussion to the talk page once all Harveyqs' questions have been answered to their satisfaction.—Ëzhiki (Igels Hérissonovich Ïzhakoff-Amursky) • (yo?); August 10, 2017; 19:48 (UTC)

Discussion at Talk:Seltso (disambiguation)#Definition of "seltso"

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 You are invited to join the discussion at Talk:Seltso (disambiguation)#Definition of "seltso". Shhhnotsoloud (talk) 06:40, 12 August 2017 (UTC)Reply

A cup of tea for you!

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  thanks for your effort.I would love to see more contribution to Russian related articles. and I think It would be good to enrich current Russia related articles Ro.faridi (talk) 20:07, 13 August 2017 (UTC)Reply
Thanks. Got anything stronger there though? :)—Ëzhiki (Igels Hérissonovich Ïzhakoff-Amursky) • (yo?); August 14, 2017; 13:09 (UTC)

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Please comment on Wikipedia talk:Manual of Style/Abbreviations

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Borisovsky Uyezd

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I used the disambiguator Minsk Governorate because of ru:Борисовский_уезд_(Курская_губерния). Kges1901 (talk) 19:24, 21 August 2017 (UTC)Reply

I understand, but since that article does not exist, disambiguation guidelines recommend against preemptively disambiguating another page. I have, of course, no objections against adding the disambiguator back and moving the pageas soon as there is a stub (or a dab with a red, but WP:DABRL-compliant link to another entry). Cheers,—Ëzhiki (Igels Hérissonovich Ïzhakoff-Amursky) • (yo?); August 21, 2017; 19:27 (UTC)

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Please comment on Talk:Family Guy

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Can you delete all user talk pages? 115.164.177.123 (talk) 15:56, 31 August 2017 (UTC)Reply

I have a technical ability to do so, but I see no apparent reason why these particular four should be deleted. Care to elaborate?—Ëzhiki (Igels Hérissonovich Ïzhakoff-Amursky) • (yo?); August 31, 2017; 18:48 (UTC)

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Please comment on Wikipedia talk:Manual of Style/Capital letters

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Administrators' newsletter – October 2017

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News and updates for administrators from the past month (September 2017).

 

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Wikidata weekly summary #280

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Merger procedure

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Hello, I have started a merger procedure between fr:Kraï and fr:Kraïs de Russie and, since you participated to one of the articles, I wanted you to know about it if you want to give your opinion. Here is the merger section : fr:Wikipédia:Pages à fusionner#Kraï et Kraïs de Russie. Best regards. SenseiAC (talk) 09:45, 5 October 2017 (UTC)Reply

Zavetnoye, Rostov Oblast

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It is great that there is someone able to create such articles from scratch, but the bottom of the article, as well as the infobox, probably require your (not urgent) attention. Thanks.--Ymblanter (talk) 13:55, 6 October 2017 (UTC)Reply

Yeah, I'm watching these and placing them on my to-do list as they pop up. Thanks!—Ëzhiki (Igels Hérissonovich Ïzhakoff-Amursky) • (yo?); October 6, 2017; 13:57 (UTC)

Wikidata weekly summary #281

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Please comment on Talk:Red

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Wikidata weekly summary #282

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A barnstar for you!

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  The Original Barnstar
Dear Ezhiki

thanks for your effort in Wikipedia. I love your articles and edits.the reason that I'm contacting with is to request a publish an article in wikipedia for svetloe lake in Russia.it's a beautiful lake with great nature.it's called Swan Lake because of lots of swan migrating.there is also lots of sources and articles in internet be referd.I don't have lots of time and I will busy for long time. best regards Ruhollah Faridi Ro.faridi (talk) 07:05, 20 October 2017 (UTC)Reply

Thanks; appreciated! As for the lake, do you already have something written (and want me to look at it), or are you requesting an article to be created from scratch?—Ëzhiki (Igels Hérissonovich Ïzhakoff-Amursky) • (yo?); October 20, 2017; 13:22 (UTC)

Restoration of Chishmy set index

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I was serious when I said I strongly support the continued existence of set indices for Russian places. I would like to restore the former Chishmy page to from userspace, moving User:AjaxSmack/Chishmy (disambiguation) to List of places named Chishmy but would appreciate your comments and sugggestions first. —  AjaxSmack  13:54, 20 October 2017 (UTC)Reply

Wow, I have just re-created Chishmy (inhabited locality) (note that WikiProject Russia does not use the "list of places..." naming convention for these set indices), not having realized that you saved the previous page in your userspace. I think the version you saved needs to override what I've just created, to preserve history and all. It just gets my goat how people who don't know the first thing about the subject keep insisting on turning these sets into dabs, only to see them immediately gutted for non-compliance and then speedied—exactly what I keep point out would (and should!) happen in this kind of situations! At any rate, thanks for keeping with the developments. Do you have any ideas you'd like to see implemented on these pages?—Ëzhiki (Igels Hérissonovich Ïzhakoff-Amursky) • (yo?); October 20, 2017; 13:59 (UTC)
I've moved the copy you saved over the version I've just created. Unfortunately, I bungled up the first move, so I needed to edit the redirect left in your userspace. If you don't want it there, please let me know and I'll kill it altogether.—Ëzhiki (Igels Hérissonovich Ïzhakoff-Amursky) • (yo?); October 20, 2017; 14:04 (UTC)
Thanks for the move. Do what you'd like with the redirect. I think these pages could even be models for other regions but I would expect some resistance. I am still opposed to them occupying primary topic space if not warranted as I am to the lengthy disambiguators but I am happy to lend support to any efforts to keep these set indices in existence.  AjaxSmack  01:15, 24 October 2017 (UTC)Reply
If by "other regions" you mean other countries, then the decision to use or not use the set indices is normally made by the WikiProject most applicable to the topic. You can't really force using them on others from the outside if there is no support within the WikiProject, or no resources available to maintain the setup. In absence of consensus to use set indices in a certain areas disambiguation pages remain the only alternative (that's why you'll see lots of set indices for Russia but only disambiguation pages for, say, Ukraine). But once there is a consensus to use the set indices, then the WikiProject has quite a bit of leeway in actual implementation—that includes naming conventions, formatting, and inclusion criteria. As long as those conventions are not grossly out of line with general guidelines, there is no problem. If you browse around Category:Set indices, you'll see a wild variety of setups. As long as they are consistent within each topic, that's perfectly fine.
Out of curiosity, you say that you are against using overly lengthy disambiguators, but for Russian localities the disambiguators are already never longer than necessary—I'm not really sure how you propose to improve on that? Returning to Chishmy, if you set the primary topic concerns aside, the two places in Chishminsky District of the Republic of Bashkortostan are only different on the selsoviet level, or in locality types (so one or the other would have to be included to be able to tell the two places apart), and it's not a good idea to remove either the district disambiguator part or the federal subject disambiguator part, because that breaks the hierarchy and thus goes against WP:PRECISE (as well as WP:NCGN). And while you were able to argue in favor of one Chishmy being primary this time, had it been a list composed exclusively of tiny villages, making that argument would have become much more difficult if not impossible, so the disambiguators would have to stay pretty long. Of course, as I tried to point out before, this really is a problem for smaller, highly obscure places, so I still can't quite grasp how it is a problem if a handful of them have some fairly long titles, especially considering that's the only way to remain policy-compliant and still be able to tell them apart easily? And when one topic is clearly primary (no, not Chishmy :) but something like Ivanovo), then of course it makes sense to have it set up as such.—Ëzhiki (Igels Hérissonovich Ïzhakoff-Amursky) • (yo?); October 24, 2017; 14:07 (UTC)

Wikidata weekly summary #283

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Please comment on Talk:White

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Wikidata weekly summary #284

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Administrators' newsletter – November 2017

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News and updates for administrators from the past month (October 2017).

 

  Administrator changes

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  Obituaries

  • The Wikipedia community has recently learned that Allen3 (William Allen Peckham) passed away on December 30, 2016, the same day as JohnCD. Allen began editing in 2005 and became an administrator that same year.

Перенос статьи в ОП англ. Википедии

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Добрый день. Перенесите, пожалуйста, статью в ОП английской Википедии. Ранее я размещала статью на украинском языке. Ее проверили, одобрили и перенесли в ОП украинской Википедии: https://uk.wiki.x.io/wiki/OWOX Теперь я перевела статью на английский язык и хотела ее разместить. Проверьте, пожалуйста, и одобрите размещение статьи. Ссылка на англ. версию статьи: https://en.wiki.x.io/wiki/Draft:%D0%93%D0%B0%D0%BD%D0%BD%D0%B0%D0%9C%D0%B0%D0%B3 Буду очень вам благодарна и признательна!OWOX (talk) 13:45, 2 November 2017 (UTC)Reply

Хорошо, сделаю. Спасибо за вклад! Хотел только отметить, что поскольку я не являюсь участником проекта Articles for creation, статья вероятно будет перепроверена другими. Если у вас есть англоязычный источник, который можно было бы добавить, это может помочь с вопросами в будущем. Теоретически нет ничего страшного в том, что все источники не на английском, но на практике, к сожалению, это зачастую минус. Ссылку на Google's Service Partner page я видел, но это источник в поддержку лишь одного факта; хорошо было бы иметь что-нибудь такого же качества как другие ваши источники на русском/украинском. Если их нет, ну значит нет, просто мороки впоследствии может быть больше.—Ëzhiki (Igels Hérissonovich Ïzhakoff-Amursky) • (yo?); November 2, 2017; 14:08 (UTC)
Я сейчас зашла и смотрю, что она перенесена в ОП Википедии. Уииии! :) Это вы сделали? Значит всё ок?OWOX (talk) 16:34, 2 November 2017 (UTC)Reply
Да, я перенёс. Насчёт англоязычных источников подумайте, однако. Спасибо ещё раз!—Ëzhiki (Igels Hérissonovich Ïzhakoff-Amursky) • (yo?); November 2, 2017; 16:39 (UTC)

Боже, вы просто чудо прекрасное :) Спасибо вам огромное! Я учла ваши рекомендации и уже вношу в статью англоязычные ресурсы. Еще раз большущее вам спасибо!OWOX (talk) 16:41, 2 November 2017 (UTC)Reply

Vandalism on Template:Terms for types of country subdivisions

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https://en.wiki.x.io/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Russia&diff=808573741&oldid=807800339 85.181.98.181 (talk) 18:19, 3 November 2017 (UTC)Reply

Sochi redux

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So, I'd randomly came back over our Sochi discussion from over three years ago, now (wow). I learned so much from that discussion. But I did spot a little something still unanswered. Now, admittedly, I haven't looked through every Russian major city page, but it would seem to me that almost all of them aside from Sochi have the population and area listing in their infobox using their city (of oblast/republic significance) or municipal formation definitions. You explained to me the Russian concept of a "city proper," but I don't believe any other city is listed this way, so it's not consistent with how wiki does Russian city pages. And, liked I'd said all those years ago, even the Russian wiki page appears to list the City of Sochi's land area in the infobox.

Am I wrong about this; have I further misunderstood how Russian city pages are done? Is Sochi listed differently than most cities? Regardless of the smaller administrative divisions (rural okrugs, city districts, and the like), the entire City of Sochi is under the municipal jurisdiction/control of the Sochi Urban Okrug. While the Russian concept of "city proper" may make an interesting fact to be added somewhere in the article such as the opening or the demographic or administrative subsections, it would seem to me that the infobox statistics should be kept consistent with how other Russian city pages are done, no? --Criticalthinker (talk) 21:21, 4 November 2017 (UTC)Reply

You are absolutely right that handling of area information in articles on Russian localities isn't particularly consistent. The only reason for that, however, is lack of a single source to reference area information. Where one can consistently use Census population figures to handle population data in a uniform manner, there is no one single area data repository of comparable quality. In recent years, public gks.ru data (where the reporting is predominantly by municipal units) started to become more readily available, but even then there are still some gaps, so we run with what we can find :) So, it all basically boils down to what sources had been available at the time area information was filled out. If you find something better/more current, by all means feel free to make adjustments! Cheers,—Ëzhiki (Igels Hérissonovich Ïzhakoff-Amursky) • (yo?); November 6, 2017; 14:05 (UTC)
It's not about it being more recent, rather that information for the "City of Sochi" (both area and Census figure) is already in the opening paragraph. My only concern is that this is what needs to be in the infobox, whereas the "city of Sochi" figures need to be confined to the body of the article, and maybe with a bit more clarification that the "city of Sochi" is a measurement of the city districts minus/sans the area under jurisdiction of the administrative rural and settlement okrugs. Neither of these would require new sourcing or too many additional words. Anyway, just an idea I'm throwing out there. It's not a big deal, but it would seem more appropriate to simply includes numbers for either administrative divisions of municipal formations in the infobox. In that case, we're talking information for either the Sochi Urban Okrug or City of Sochi. Those numbers I'm sure are readily available since they are already in the opening paragraph of the article. --Criticalthinker (talk) 06:16, 7 November 2017 (UTC)Reply
I see what you mean, but here's how my reasoning went; hopefully it clarifies the approach. The "Sochi" article is first and foremost about the city ("city proper"). Any entities, administrative and municipal alike, which have a relation to the city would ideally be covered by their own articles, but since there is not much information on those entities, city districts excepted, and not exactly an influx of volunteers to change that, what little information is available is merged into the city article. That's why the article covers both the lower-level entities, and the Greater Sochi area in general. The infobox, however, remains a property of the article's main focus, so whenever the area of a "city proper" is available, that's the first choice to include (which, of course, does not preclude other area information from being included into the article's lede and body).
There is certainly a lot of leeway with this approach, not to forget the fact that Sochi's setup is hardly typical for a city of its stature, but the general idea stays the same. That said, you are very welcome to experiment with other approaches and see if they work better. The source currently cited covers the areas of both Greater Sochi and the city proper, so readers for whom the distinction makes a difference should be able to pick the one that suits their needs regardless of who the article is structured.—Ëzhiki (Igels Hérissonovich Ïzhakoff-Amursky) • (yo?); November 7, 2017; 14:48 (UTC)

Wikidata weekly summary #285

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Disambiguation terms

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RE MCC stations: I think the Russian WP has better dab terms here, since there the stations get "... (MCC station)", which would match with the "type:" declaration (instanceOf), and a short description. If localisation info is used in the dab then instead of the common "X, location" one could have "X (in location)". And how about having a such a dab for every article about a physical instance or real world class [would exclude it for articles like "Geography of XYZ"]? Maybe then most of the dab pages could be generated by a quite easy algorithm. 85.180.175.228 (talk) 02:29, 8 November 2017 (UTC)Reply

Yeah, I remember arguing for a more logical naming scheme for metro stations years ago; I think you can still find that old thread somewhere on the WP:SOVMETRO talk pages. Since others showed no enthusiasm about my proposal back then (to put it mildly), I abandoned that project altogether. These days, I'd only touch a metro-related article if it's in a way of something else I'm doing or is grossly out of line with how the rest of those articles are set up. If you want to reclaim and revive SOVMETRO, more power to you! Cheers,—Ëzhiki (Igels Hérissonovich Ïzhakoff-Amursky) • (yo?); November 9, 2017; 20:08 (UTC)

Vyshka, Russia

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Also in Ukraine and Kasakhstan.Xx236 (talk) 11:31, 10 November 2017 (UTC)Reply

Yes, but the page title is "Vyshka, Russia" :) Localities in other countries would go to the Vyshka disambiguation page (where Ukrainian one is already listed and Kazakhstan's is not because it would fail WP:DABRL). I've added a hatnote to the set index though. Thanks.—Ëzhiki (Igels Hérissonovich Ïzhakoff-Amursky) • (yo?); November 13, 2017; 17:15 (UTC)

Wikidata weekly summary #286

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Please comment on Wikipedia talk:Naming conventions (use English)

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Barnstar of European Merit

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  The Barnstar of European Merit
I, Vami_IV, award the Barnstar of European Merit to Ezhiki for their participation in the European 10,000 Challenge, no matter how minor. Thank you very much for your work in Russia. Keep squatting, my friend! –Vami_IV✠ 02:23, 20 November 2017 (UTC)Reply
this WikiAward was given to Ezhiki by Vami_IV✠ on 02:23, 20 November 2017 (UTC)Reply
Thanks.—Ëzhiki (Igels Hérissonovich Ïzhakoff-Amursky) • (yo?); November 20, 2017; 16:32 (UTC)

Wikidata weekly summary #287

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Wikidata weekly summary #288

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Please comment on Wikipedia:Village pump (policy)

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Administrators' newsletter – December 2017

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News and updates for administrators from the past month (November 2017).

 

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  • Following a request for comment, a new section has been added to the username policy which disallows usernames containing emoji, emoticons or otherwise "decorative" usernames, and usernames that use any non-language symbols. Administrators should discuss issues related to these types of usernames before blocking.

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ArbCom 2017 election voter message

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Hello, Ezhiki. Voting in the 2017 Arbitration Committee elections is now open until 23.59 on Sunday, 10 December. All users who registered an account before Saturday, 28 October 2017, made at least 150 mainspace edits before Wednesday, 1 November 2017 and are not currently blocked are eligible to vote. Users with alternate accounts may only vote once.

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Wikidata weekly summary #289

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Elektrostal - Map outdated since more than 5 years

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Talk:Elektrostal#Map outdated since more than 5 years 85.181.240.108 (talk) 13:08, 6 December 2017 (UTC)Reply

Wikidata weekly summary #290

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Please comment on Wikipedia:Village pump (policy)

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Metro Russia

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WP:RUSSIA consistently uses the type name in upper case:

It's also found in sources, despite some claiming otherwise.

Still some want to change it: Talk:Kalininsko-Solntsevskaya Line#Requested move 11 December 2017, and after it is moved they will not change the articles and for years to come there will be inconsistency between texts and titles. 92.228.153.156 (talk) 03:07, 17 December 2017 (UTC)Reply

Not helping with line naming, but causing trouble with station naming [5]. Predictable stable titles are appreciated. Disdisambiguation works in the other direction. 77.179.196.58 (talk) 03:20, 21 December 2017 (UTC)Reply

I've left a comment on that page. Cheers,—Ëzhiki (Igels Hérissonovich Ïzhakoff-Amursky) • (yo?); December 21, 2017; 15:09 (UTC)

Ping re your 10 years old page - thanks hero! https://en.wiki.x.io/w/index.php?title=Talk:Moskovskaya_metro_station&diff=817406228&oldid=254250063 77.179.200.224 (talk) 05:21, 28 December 2017 (UTC)Reply

Wikidata weekly summary #291

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South-East (Russia)

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More problems with your page moves [6] 78.49.252.23 (talk) 17:17, 22 December 2017 (UTC)Reply

Wikidata weekly summary #292

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