Dchmelik
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before the question. Again, welcome! Oleg Alexandrov (talk) 04:48, 29 May 2008 (UTC)
How do you read deleted articles?
editThere was once an article called 'chakrology' which described chakras more concretely than the chakra article, even though I clarified some things in that article. I would like to read the old chakrology article, and I think some of it should be returned or moved to 'chakra.' How do I find it?--Dchmelik (talk) 10:47, 14 February 2008 (UTC)
- Hi, are you sure you got the name right? :) The page "Chakrology" has no deleted version, it is redirected to Chakra#Chakra_models, and relevant content has been moved there. ;) You could see the old version before redirection here. Hope this helps. --PeaceNT (talk) 11:16, 14 February 2008 (UTC)
- Is this it? Petal (chakra). • Anakin (talk) 14:51, 14 February 2008 (UTC)
- Yes, and I had just found that. Apparently someone removed the link from the main article; I will return it.--Dchmelik (talk) 05:58, 8 March 2008 (UTC)
A tag has been placed on Kung lek, requesting that it be speedily deleted from Wikipedia. This has been done under section G1 of the criteria for speedy deletion, because the page appears to have no meaningful content or history, and the text is unsalvageably incoherent. If the page you created was a test, please use the sandbox for any other experiments you would like to do. Feel free to leave a message on my talk page if you have any questions about this.
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- I suspect it was because the article name is a transliteration of Chinese that you called it incoherent and probably not meaningful... if not, I am offended. If you had read an article on far Eastern martial arts, I am sure it would have made sense... but as I did not see pages on any other forms, I did not prevent the deletion.--dchmelik (t|c) 01:23, 30 March 2013 (UTC)
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to the top of Itcha. — HelloAnnyong (say whaaat?!) 05:54, 9 March 2008 (UTC)
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Re: synergetics coordinates
editI also replied at Talk:Synergetics coordinates. Oleg Alexandrov (talk) 04:48, 29 May 2008 (UTC)
astral projection
editHi, I hope you stick around on Astral projection- it needs NPOV editors badly at the moment. ——Martinphi ☎ Ψ Φ—— 04:32, 10 June 2008 (UTC)
- I think it's now too out of my interest areas, not because of what it is, but because of implications of the words defining it. Did the article improve?--dchmelik (t|c) 07:16, 21 February 2017 (UTC)
my thought on the Nazirite article
editThe article has traditionally been a dumping ground for original research and I am very skeptical of any additions that don't have secondary sources. Primary sources (bible verse) are worthless. There are thousands of interpretations on what bible verse mean and without being able to point ot someone who interprets a verse it is original research.
Nevertheless I would like to see a wider treatment of various point of views, so long as they are sourced, and present as one of many point of views. Also while I have no problem with a view being presented that the Pharisee's view is part of a wider development of the practice, the Jewish Orthodox view that the the Pharisee have preserved an accurate tradition should also be given due weight. Jon513 (talk) 21:43, 23 August 2008 (UTC)
- I forgot if I replied on the article talk page since your reply on mine. Maybe I had just said since the Rastafarian view is there the modern Essene one should be. I do not completely know why Jewish Orthodox would say only Pharisees are accurate. I had thought at least Sadducces would be too, though I know little about these schools. However I dispute such use of the term 'Orthodox.' Christian Orthodoxy considers Catholicism to be sufficiently Orthodox in its viewpoints about Christianity (but not the Pope,) and I suspect even the tens of Orthodox churches have some varying viewpoints, so why would any mere one or two Jewish schools of thought be considered all of 'Orthodox?' Using the term like that is sort of inflammatory, especially since there is apparently no pre-mediaeval copy of the Torah and so the objections of the Essenes--or those attributed to them (but probably in history I have not read in-depth)--are just as valid about the Torah as other groups, because there is no (dis)proof for any one view. Finally, if there is some Heterodox view it should be represented. Maybe the Rasta addition was unfair and there should not be a modern Essene addition unless it is supported. However, if I find a historical view I would probably add it even if it is Heterodox. I still think the article should not be so conservative, but I guess that is up to people who know more about it. What I wrote was based on a researcher that has a Phd Divinity, but he is not a very formal writer and did not cite much in what I have read, though he says he sticks to historical sources, and the only sources I have read from him are historical (besides a few others with unprovable viewpoints that he describes so and does not really say much else about or push their point.) Maybe one day I will get some more info but for now I guess I will not be editing the article.--Dchmelik (talk) 02:26, 27 September 2009 (UTC)
triple manifestation
editThe article that you have written is mostly original research, which is against Wikipedia's policies. You are generally synthesizing multiple different facts to reach a consensus that is not met in reliable sources. The policy states : "Synthesis occurs when an editor puts together multiple sources to reach a novel conclusion that is not in any of the sources. Even if published by reliable sources, material must not be connected together in such a way that it constitutes original research. If the sources cited do not explicitly reach the same conclusion, or if the sources cited are not directly related to the article subject, then the editor is engaged in original research." Regards, -- Jeff3000 (talk) 23:09, 15 December 2008 (UTC)
- Are you implying there is some kind of reliable religious source? I would be interested if there was one. I think some of what I wrote was cited or citable, and the rest is just written according to definition. I guess you could call it OR though. I do not recall connecting (m)any multiple sources that were at least not connected by someone else beforehand. The main reason I wrote about it in the major religions--using ideas that are not at all my own--is that I did not want to leave any out and imply it was not philoosphical, because the article is about a philosophical idea independent of any one religion. For now I just deleted almost everything new I wrote.--Dchmelik (talk) 02:13, 27 September 2009 (UTC)
- I'm not implying anything except pointing you to some of Wikipedia's policies that dictate what type of content can be included within Wikipedia. You can't include content that has not been cited in a reliable source - that's the Verifiability policy, and you can't use multiple different sources to synthesize a conclusion that is also not part of those sources; that's the no original research policy. Also, you can't depend on primary sources such as religious sources since they generally needed to be interpreted - instead you need to use secondary sources that are reliable that have already interpreted the primary religious source. Regards, -- Jeff3000 (talk) 03:03, 27 September 2009 (UTC)
- Alright, but the article is not about a conclusion--it is already defined. As I said I do not recall any of it being my own ideas, so it would have been better if I cited it or if someone thought it was interesting enough to cite. It would take hours to track down where I read all that info, so maybe I will not do it for the foreseaable future.--Dchmelik (talk) 03:38, 27 September 2009 (UTC)
James Morgan Pryse
editHi,
Your newly created article on James Morgan Pryse is just too short at the moment, so it doesn't establish notability. I did a quick web search, and it looks like it would be possible to make it a useful article. Are you able to expand it?
Cheers,
Chzz ► 05:12, 25 February 2009 (UTC)
- Yes. However, I only lately discovered him after finding out various works I referred to for 11 years were either influenced by him or mostly paraphrase him without saying so. What I found of his own books are too difficult for me to write more on tonight or until I have a long amount of free time (maybe even after the school term.) I wrote equally small articles in the past and no one said anything... of course, I expanded those. I will consider expanding this one--his works are just difficult: I could just do more biography (more exists on answers.com.)Dchmelik (talk) 05:36, 25 February 2009 (UTC)
- OK, no worries. Thanks for the prompt response. Sometimes - quite often - tiny articles are created and never expanded; there's a lot of junk little stubs on wiki. However, my Google search told me there was some substance to this one.
- Good luck with it,
- Chzz ► 05:41, 25 February 2009 (UTC)
- Thanks. Actually I added some info based on answers.com (books which I have seen in Worldcat, and saying 'writer' before 'Gnostic.') I am unsure this is enough: I had not written biographical articles here until recently....Dchmelik (talk) 05:48, 25 February 2009 (UTC)
- Should be good enough. I'll have a go at improving it a bit myself if I get the chance. I was doing another bio earlier today. -- Chzz ► 05:52, 25 February 2009 (UTC)
- I've added a few bits from answers, and a pic. I'll try to do more later. I'm now reading all about Theosophy! His own books should be in the public domain, and answers sources those, so it should be possible to track down the original source, I would've thought. -- Chzz ► 06:27, 25 February 2009 (UTC)
speedy deletion of Lucille Cedercrans
editA tag has been placed on Lucille Cedercrans requesting that it be speedily deleted from Wikipedia. This has been done under section A7 of the criteria for speedy deletion, because the article appears to be about a person or group of people, but it does not indicate how or why the subject is important or significant: that is, why an article about that subject should be included in an encyclopedia. Under the criteria for speedy deletion, such articles may be deleted at any time. Please see the guidelines for what is generally accepted as notable, as well as our subject-specific notability guideline for biographies.
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survey and userboxes help discussion
editWhen I just logged in I saw a survey request, then I tried to go to 'special page' to try to get the code for the icon row to put on my user page. A few seconds later the survey disappeared; could you direct me to it? I also asked Oleg Alexandrov, who welcomed, some questions.
- I am sorry, I am not sure which survey you are talking about. Do you remember what it was called, perhaps I can do a search. - NeutralHomer • Talk • February 28, 2009 @ 04:22
- I replied on your page. NP. Userboxes' 'collapse & hide' does not seem to be working by the instructions. I found out you can combine many userboxes, such as Babel, but after I separated some back out that one is not working.--Dchmelik (talk) 04:50, 28 February 2009 (UTC)
- Would it be this survey on Wikipedia Attribution? The little "hide"/"view" lines you were talking about are adding in via the Meta code and I don't think can be copied. - NeutralHomer • Talk • February 28, 2009 @ 04:50
- If that was the survey today, it must be. I do not recall what you mean 'Meta code;' what I tried to do is in the list of userbox options and has instructions.--Dchmelik (talk) 04:54, 28 February 2009 (UTC)
- Meta code is the main code for Wikipedia....the behind-the-scenes nuts and bolts code. - NeutralHomer • Talk • February 28, 2009 @ 04:59
- I thought it was Wikitext, which I will link to, but maybe I need to link to more. If hide & view is not added yet I know not why it works in its instructions; if that is what you meant I know reasons could exist.--Dchmelik (talk) 05:10, 28 February 2009 (UTC)
- What I was talking about looks something like this. That is the main guts code for Wikipedia. What I was meaning is I don't know if you can add a hide/view template thing like that to the top of your page (where the survey template is). - NeutralHomer • Talk • February 28, 2009 @ 05:20
- Fascinating; I do not think I had seen that: it looks more like code that is usually compiled. However, all the code for arranging userboxes looked similar. I think you probably can use the one that just hides it, but I would rather not read the entire css in-depth right now. I can fix the userboxes later. After I try again and maybe try something else and do a bit of unrelated editing, maybe I will move this conversation to the bottom. Thanks for the discussion.--Dchmelik (talk) 05:28, 28 February 2009 (UTC)
ORME
editYou deleted the abbreviation for elemental/chemical ORMEs, but they are patented in the UK and several other countries. The patent was not accepted in the USA and it is said that was due to the government's interest, which they may have stated. I am just wondering if you checked the patents in other countries (besides US,) which are 3rd party sources, or if you think the rest of the English-speaking ones do not have a reliable patent system. AFAIK, in the US, something must work before it is considered patentable. Is that not so in the UK? If so, then why delete the abbreviation? I see why people might want to delete the derived pseudoscientific term 'ormus' because it means nothing, but ORMEs is an acronym that means things that are not really beyond modern physics.--Dchmelik (talk) 06:00, 15 April 2009 (UTC)
- A brief search I conducted at the time turned up some amusing discussion on the validity of the topic, along with many texts only by this "David Hudson" who appears to be the main driver behind it. I'd like to see some third-party reliable sources or academic/peer-reviewed journals discussing the topic before any inclusion into a factual encyclopedia is made. SynergyBlades (talk) 13:51, 15 April 2009 (UTC)
- You make mention of bosons, but note how this topic and article is, as with all other serious scientific articles, referenced with reliable third-party publications. These "Ormes", by contrast, are not scientifically accepted, and we can deduce this by the lack of reliable, third-party publications or scientific, peer-reviewed journals discussing the topic, as every other serious scientific topic or theory has been. Suggestions of government conspiracy theories is of course original research and so doesn't really affect its inclusion, but the fact remains this idea remains an unproven theory without any academia to back it up, and should not be made mention of in a general encyclopedia as though it were a serious scientific topic for the aforementioned reasons. Furthermore, a patent, which is essentially a first-party publication on behalf of the creator, is not really acceptable for a reference as (you guessed it) it is not the much-vaunted reliable third-party source. SynergyBlades (talk) 02:46, 16 April 2009 (UTC)
- Okay... I read that whole discussion but do not see what is so amusing compared to Yahoogroups ORMEs. There there are people actually trying to research it, along with a few people probably posting nonsense. Also are you saying the countries in which Hudson (who you are right, is the main person behind it) patented ORMEs do not have a reliable patent system? I suppose they may not: then that is another topic worth writing about. I am not sure where to start finding out, but I hope their patent systems are as reliable as any academic/peer-reviewed journal. Until I find out I will refrain from recreating the definition. It is enough to have the article on bosons and various advanced chemistry for now, which seem of importance to the ORMEs idea. One interesting thing I read is that only a few countries, namely Russian ones, have the equipment to detect these so-called materials. It is some equipment that burns away most of the other material while doing something like checking what light bounces off the materials... a spectrograph, IIRC? If that is true that would be a good scientific article on its own (separate from this controversial topic.)--Dchmelik (talk) 20:55, 15 April 2009 (UTC)
Chakras - number of petals
editThanks, DChmelik, for your interest in Chakras - Number of Petals. Luckily I copied the article to my userspace ahead of [deletion.] I left you a message on your User_talk:Dchmelik/petals userpage... wv (talk) 06:45, 20 April 2009 (UTC)
more discussion copied from my copy (being deleted: )
Hello Dchmelik,
Thanks for copying the article that eventually got deleted... I would love to personally discuss with you how to proceed. I will be away in May and June, so I will have little time to attend to this, but I will leave you my email: " williamvroman@live.ca "
Please feel free to contact me there. wv (talk) 05:57, 20 April 2009 (UTC)
- Hello!
- Thanks for the article / your work. It's appreciated.
- I figure, given over three years have passed, this isn't beeing continued?
- Thanks again, and have nice day.
- Nea Geo (talk) 09:22, 25 June 2013 (UTC)
RfD nomination of Deletion review
editI have nominated Deletion review (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) for discussion. Your opinions on the matter are welcome; please participate in the discussion by adding your comments at the discussion page. Thank you. MBisanz talk 01:14, 1 May 2009 (UTC)
university template
editI am looking for help fixing the category that is necessary with the CWU userbox I created in the namespace for university userboxes. The category 'by alma mater' that seems to have to exist for each university userbox is just blank for CWU.--Dchmelik (talk) 07:34, 11 May 2009 (UTC)
- (I'm going to show my ignorance here, but here goes:) Is that the same institution as the University of Washington? That already has a category. - Jarry1250 (t, c) 10:42, 11 May 2009 (UTC)
- Dchmelik, your template Template:User CWU puts users that use it in the category Category:Wikipedians by alma mater: Central Washington University. Since it doesn't exist yet, you start by clicking on the red category link on your user page or the red category link in this paragraph. Then type whatever you want to be on the category's page, and save it. I suggest putting this:
{{educat|Central Washington University|User CWU}}
- in the category's page to match other similar categories. Please let me know if there are any more questions. Thanks! --Mysdaao talk 12:37, 11 May 2009 (UTC)
- thanks! I am not familiar with much of the code like templates....--Dchmelik (talk) 19:17, 11 May 2009 (UTC)
Speedy deletion nomination of Laughing Buddha (musician)
editA tag has been placed on Laughing Buddha (musician) requesting that it be speedily deleted from Wikipedia. This has been done under section A7 of the criteria for speedy deletion, because the article appears to be about a person or group of people, but it does not indicate how or why the subject is important or significant: that is, why an article about that subject should be included in an encyclopedia. Under the criteria for speedy deletion, such articles may be deleted at any time. Please see the guidelines for what is generally accepted as notable, as well as our subject-specific notability guideline for biographies.
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- Please don't create this again. Thank you, Enigmamsg 22:17, 17 July 2009 (UTC)
- As an administrator do you have the right to order me to do that? I did not get a chance to explain why it is relevant before you deleted, and you cannot just use that as a precedent to tell me not to create it again. I also did not get a chance this time though I gave an explanation. AFAIK these things are supposed to be voted on.--Dchmelik (talk) 22:50, 17 July 2009 (UTC)
- "these things are supposed to be voted on." That's not how it works, actually. What you created was eligible to be speedied. I didn't order you to do anything. I just politely asked. Enigmamsg 22:56, 17 July 2009 (UTC)
- I did not say you 'ordered;' I was just curious. At first it was basically a stub, but I read the criteria for speedy deletion and I think the 2nd time it was okay. I would like to know why it was not and if you think there is no way it could be improved I would like to get some other admins' and users' opinions. I know I can at least do that, etc..--Dchmelik (talk) 23:08, 17 July 2009 (UTC)
- Yes you did say that. Direct quote from you "As an administrator do you have the right to order me to do that?" Enigmamsg 02:10, 22 March 2018 (UTC)
- absolutely false. A question is not a claim.--dchmelik (t|c) 04:10, 22 March 2018 (UTC)
- It is recommended that you use your userspace to create articles. This way you can construct them in pieces and not worry about the incomplete article getting deleted. Once you are done, have good references, and maybe even get a few fellow editors to examine it, you can copy and paste it to an actual article. -- ʄɭoʏɗiaɲ τ ¢ 06:08, 18 July 2009 (UTC)
- Alright, but I do not see what is wrong with doing a stub article... I guess it should have a certain amount of information. I created User:Dchmelik/Jeremey_van_Kampen, sinmce he uses other aliases. Is this article any better?--Dchmelik (talk) 04:26, 27 September 2009 (UTC)
- What you want to read into is WP:NOTABILITY (General notability guidelines) and WP:Notability_(people) (Notability requirements for articles on people). This will give you an idea of what an article requires to be kept. Articles on living persons (Biographies) are much more strict, as the person needs to be notable in some way, as set out in those guidelines.
- I'd definitely try to find references to back up your article. As it stands, I cannot see anything notable about Jeremey van Kampen. - ʄɭoʏɗiaɲ τ ¢ 03:56, 29 September 2009 (UTC)
- The info is all from autobiography. Maybe I forgot some details of what is notable, but I guess whether it is or not also depends on how many Goa trance articles people want. There is a Cosmosis article, but that group has disbanded and Jeremy van Kampen is one of the former members who continues to produce music under other names. I do not think they have to be extraordinarily famous: the article would be relevant for people wanting to read about Cosmosis and finding out that it had disbanded.--Dchmelik (talk) 04:52, 29 September 2009 (UTC)
- Give me the names and pages of those autobiographies, the names of the publisher and author, and the year, and I'll show you how to make a citation. :) - ʄɭoʏɗiaɲ τ ¢ 05:47, 29 September 2009 (UTC)
- van Kampen, Jeremy. 'About Laughing Buddha.' Myspace. 2009. Myspace.com. 28 Sept. 2009. <http://www.myspace.com/laughing_buddha>.--Dchmelik (talk) 07:06, 29 September 2009 (UTC)
- Unfortunately MySpace is not a reliable source. Also, notability isn't about being one of the few bands in an obscure genre, it's about achieving something, or being part of something that has achieved something remarkable. Have any of his songs made it on a national chart?
- Anyways, if you look at how I've done this when you edit, you'll see how to do a citation.
- van Kampen, Jeremy (2009), About Laughing Buddha, retrieved 2009-09-29
- Well, he seems to not have any other autobiographies (maybe he does on an album, but I do not have one.) Not that I like Myspace, but one (or someone one knows) could go to one of the shows mentioned on his page and see how reliable that is. AFAIK several of his tunes in Cosmosis have been on national charts (there is a Cosmosis article, but it is obsolete.) However that does not matter as much as how remarkable the tunes are. As for your citation it looks like one of the newer fad ones instead of one recommended by a UK university.--Dchmelik (talk) 08:42, 29 September 2009 (UTC)
- I believe they are Harvard style citations. If you want to use your method and just enclose that within <ref> </ref> tags, that would work as well.
- If Cosmosis has charted nationally, that is indeed important, and perhaps enough to make Jeremy notable. If you can find out what charted where then put that into the Cosmosis article. - ʄɭoʏɗiaɲ τ ¢ 14:46, 29 September 2009 (UTC)
- Okay, Harvard style citations are considered traditional; I am just not an expert on citations and have not used them lately. I am not 100% sure Cosmosis did get on a national chart, but I still do not think that is important. They were on the oldest Goa trance internet charts and IIRC have been played by some famous DJs: Cosmosis was one of the oldest and most well-known Goa trance groups, and they got onto general mainstream techno/trance compilations in Europe. Even that is irrelevant: the Cosmosis article is about a dead group, and if it was notable then it seems updated articles should be created, but if it is not notable why is it there?--Dchmelik (talk) 22:37, 30 September 2009 (UTC)
- Actually it seems Cosmosis still is a group (either they did not release for a long time, or I thought 'it is not a group anymore' because it only had one person.) I guess I have some research to do--Dchmelik (talk) 23:14, 30 September 2009 (UTC)
- IIRC Cosmosis was only ever two people. Jeremy worked on tracks that became popular enough to be on the Cosmosis article, though I have not found evidence of them being on the charts in the UK, where Bill (all of Cosmosis now) lives. I would search Germany, Israel, etc. charts, but am not sure how. Here is a quote that I think would make the article notable: 'Cosmosis (with Jez Van Kampen) were also one of the original artists that, along with Total Eclipse, Hallucinogen, Man With No Name and Astral Projection, pioneered the Goa and Psy-trance sound in the early nineties.'--http://www.cosmosis.co.uk/ . I have been listening to these styles since the early 90s and making it since the mid-90s, so I know how significant Cosmosis is, though Goa started in the late 80s. I bet there are a few newer Goa producers mentioned on Wikipedia that I have not even heard of or have not got around to listening to much--Dchmelik (talk) 23:25, 30 September 2009 (UTC)
British Isles map
editHi, Sorry I didn't reply to your message sooner, but I've been away. All my maps on Wikipedia are stored as vectors; if you open the one you want in a program such as Inkscape, you will be able to add or remove elements as you wish. Wereon (talk) 19:05, 3 August 2009 (UTC)
Articles for deletion nomination of Epilogue (web site)
editI have nominated Epilogue (web site), an article that you created, for deletion. I do not think that this article satisfies Wikipedia's criteria for inclusion, and have explained why at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Epilogue (web site). Your opinions on the matter are welcome at that same discussion page; also, you are welcome to edit the article to address these concerns. Thank you for your time.
Please contact me if you're unsure why you received this message. TheWeakWilled (T * G) 13:42, 7 September 2009 (UTC)
It means not a notable website. See WP:WEBSITE. TheWeakWilled (T * G) 14:54, 8 September 2009 (UTC)
- It is notable. It is like Elfwood and several others that are notable, but Epilogue has higher standards. It is too bad this was deleted before I had a chance to address this, but I guess the problem is Wikipedia does not do email notifications.--Dchmelik (talk) 01:56, 27 September 2009 (UTC)
Orthopathy
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- I counted reverts, re-read rule, and it appears you (as usual |before, and apparently warned/blocked in the past and many times since) not I, are engaged in an edit war. I did two reverts in which I updated the article, but my one other change was a non-revert deleting plagiarism. Whenever my changes on this are undone it is done sometimes without a reference link and rarely with any explanation of why my changes are thought to be problematic--certainly with none for changes I cited from sources more mainstream than the 'critics' (one cited critic?) that I call non-NPOV and then that is removed too with none of the recommended/required discussion.--Dchmelik (talk) 01:14, 27 September 2009 (UTC)
- Ahhh haaaa... --A3RO (mailbox) 03:40, 27 September 2009 (UTC)
- Verbal brought up some points about how an article should be formatted, and I will work to reach consensus on that, but as for deleting reliable citations, that was not very nice.--Dchmelik (talk) 03:46, 27 September 2009 (UTC)
Contribution to Raw food page
editThanks for your thoughts on above. Do they mean that you are in favour of "rawism" as a title for the page? Thought I should check this.--TonyTonyClarke (talk) 19:35, 28 September 2009 (UTC)
- Actually I am in favour, and if it is done of course there should be a redirect.--Dchmelik (talk) 03:03, 29 September 2009 (UTC)
Re: synergetics coordinates
editI've replied on my talk page. Paul August ☎ 20:08, 20 October 2009 (UTC)
curriculum vitae
editI have started a move discussion about CV, Curriculum vitae and Résumé. You have previously participated in this topic, and I would like your input in this discussion if you are still interested. John Vandenberg (chat) 01:00, 10 December 2009 (UTC)
Cc Adi 8.38: ‘Chaitanya-mangala’ shune yadi pashandi, yavana seha maha-vaishnava haya tatakshana
If even a great atheist hears Shri Chaitanya-mangala, he immediately becomes a great devotee.
Cc Adi 8.40: Vrindavana-dasa-pade koti namaskara aiche grantha kari’ tenho tarila samsara
I offer millions of obeisances unto the lotus feet of Vrindavana dasa Thakura. No one else could write such a wonderful book for the deliverance of all fallen souls. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 95.133.142.210 (talk) 03:57, 28 May 2010 (UTC)
warning [threat from repeatedly rule-breaking/warned/blocked aggressive/biased editor people stopped mediating for]
editYour recent editing history in the Slavic Neopaganism shows that you are in danger of breaking the three-revert rule, or that you may have already broken it. An editor must not perform more than three reverts on a single page within a 24-hour period. Undoing another editor's work—whether in whole or in part, whether involving the same or different material each time—counts as a revert. Breaking the three-revert rule often leads to a block.--Galassi (talk) 16:21, 26 December 2011 (UTC)
- Very funny; I avoid breaking rules but see you don't (perhaps consider the situation more in relation to yourself.) Maybe your strategies are also for trying to make me do that. I know I did two reverts, and three would have been warranted--for a tag (not actual article text)--when you recently deleted a WP:RS tag twice after explained, but I am trying to avoid three. This is ironic; I've never been warned by administrators, but I see you've done several violations and have been warned often (blocked | 2008, and | last year, many times since this discussion) and that at least one person thinks you are a biased editor on Slavic-related articles. Why not be reasonable instead of using that tactics/bias?--Dchmelik (talk) 16:37, 26 December 2011 (UTC)
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Slavic neopaganism
editI responded on my talk page that I was moving the discussion to Talk:Slavic Neopaganism#credible references?, but basically the references themselves are credible, so the template isn't appropriate, even though the statements that the references are next to may not be supported by the references. :) Banaticus (talk) 05:18, 27 December 2011 (UTC)
Slavianstvo
editCyrillic searches yoeld nothing of the sort pertaining to neopaganism. You must stop.--Galassi (talk) 21:18, 27 December 2011 (UTC)
- Then do not limit yourself to Cyrillic searches. The article originally used the term, and I cited sources. As we disagree, and you have said nothing constructive here and just seem to be being aggressive, I consider that harassment.--dchmelik (t|c) 01:11, 30 March 2013 (UTC)
Contemporary Paganism template
editHey; thanks for your interest in the Contemporary Paganism templates that I made, what seems like many years ago now. On the whole, the two templates were not really accepted by many other editors at the time, who felt that they were somewhat unnecessary, and clogged up the top of the pages; at the time, I didn't agree, but as time as gone on I have actually come to agree with their point as I have worked more and more on articles relating to contemporary Paganism (such as A Community of Witches and Wicca (etymology)). I still think that the template that sits at the bottom of page is somewhat useful, and would suggest that that particular template be used in all articles on the subject, but in my opinion, the template that sits at the side of the page should probably just be abandoned. (Midnightblueowl (talk) 16:15, 31 December 2011 (UTC))
- I like that one best--dchmelik (t|c) 09:21, 1 January 2012 (UTC)
help needed on Germanic Neopaganism
editThe page is stuck at the same point it was months ago, and user "ThorLives" has done nothing else than continuing the removal of any source or sentence which does not fit his point of view. This situation must finish, and the article has to be rewritten. Reliable sources have been found and listed in the talkpage. Please take a look. --Bhlegkorbh (talk) 21:04, 25 November 2012 (UTC)
- Sorry; at that time, I was considering giving up on Wikipedia. I still don't edit much, though I did today for a while, I'll be going back to being not very active. Did that article ever improve how you wanted? I don't agree with the redirect to Heathenry, because technically, it could include some things like pagan German Idealist modern philosophy that some of it might be atheist or pantheist, etc.--dchmelik (t|c) 07:07, 21 February 2017 (UTC)
mentioned
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Both Tonelli-Shanks and Cipolla's modular square root algorithms can handle powers of prime modula (not just primes)
editI looked up Dickson's History of Numbers vol 1 p215(Tonelli) and p218(Cipolla) and Dickson clearly shows that both modular square root algorithms can handle powers of prime modula (whereas the Wiki articles say they can only do prime modula).
I've updated the TALK pages of both articles with the relevant Dickson math, along with numeric runthroughs with Mathematica code.
However, I am not a professional mathematician so I hesitate to update the articles.
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- Thanks. However, I mostly gave up on Wikipedia years ago. I'd probably want to code with those algorithms first but some others have higher priority for me.--dchmelik (t|c) 12:01, 21 June 2020 (UTC)
MfD nomination of Portal:Hellenism (religion)
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- note to me: moved back to Portal:Hellenismos as per the only vote, then fixed/moved the deletion discussion at request, so see Wikipedia:Miscellany for deletion/Portal:Hellenismos.--dchmelik (t|c) 04:25, 16 September 2019 (UTC)
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Synergetics coordinates
editAs the original author of Synergetics coordinates, you may wish to know that an edit has recently been made that converted your article into a redirect. 78.28.44.204 (talk) 07:55, 4 January 2021 (UTC)
- Yes, because the article is on a minor and non-notable aspect of a broader topic; if it's going to be covered on WP, it would be better covered in the context of the broader topic. Also, to the extent that the article before my edit contained meaningful mathematical statements, they were false -- e.g., it is not possible to tile 3-space with regular tetrahedra. (There was an associated discussion here; you are welcome to add your thoughts there.) --JBL (talk) 15:13, 4 January 2021 (UTC)
- The topic has a page on Wolfram MathWorld, so is notable. It would be better as section of trilinear coordinates, rather than redirected to an article that doesn't cover the topic.--dchmelik (t|c) 20:58, 4 January 2021 (UTC)
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Lucifera
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- I added citations. I no longer have easy access to physical Sanskrit dictionary, but did access cited cites, which Spoken Sanskrit now seems partially-broken and also links to Learn Sanskrit.--dchmelik☀️🕉︎☉🦉🐝🐍☤☆(talk 09:45, 15 August 2022 (UTC)
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- Correction: Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Anupapaduka--dchmelik☀️🕉︎☉🦉🐝🐍☤☆(talk 03:01, 16 August 2022 (UTC)
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@Psychologist Guy, You wrote on WP:Fringe_theories/Noticeboard#Bad_edits_on_fasting_and_orthopathy:
Dchmelik I believe this issue has been resolved now as you are no longer adding such content, but we have an article on Cohort study. You added a cohort as a source which is a primary source. If you read WP:MEDRS, it usually applies for any biomedical information, which means we do not add primary papers. Psychologist Guy (talk) 6:37 pm, 18 August 2022, Thursday (20 days ago) (UTC−7)[reply]
- Multiple rather than single cohorts; multiple rather than single studies; both? In fact the 'WP:MEDRS' roughdraft you mentioned--which isn't even a guideline, let alone rule--doesn't quite say what you claim it does, nor are primary sources forbidden rahter than actual guidelines/rules exist how to use those! Can't you see the ambiguity of your statement: is the main object cohorts or studies, and which is describing the other?--dchmelik☀️🦉🐝🐍(talk|contrib) 07:04, 10 December 2022 (UTC)
- Dchmelik, If you are making biomedical claims then WP:MEDRS applies. "Primary sources should generally not be used for medical content, as such sources often include unreliable or preliminary information; for example, early lab results which don't hold in later clinical trials." and "Ideal sources for biomedical information include: review articles (especially systematic reviews) published in reputable medical journals; academic and professional books written by experts in the relevant fields and from respected publishers; and guidelines or position statements from national or international expert bodies." Cohort studies are primary studies that are not high-quality evidence, we do not cite them on Wikipedia. If you have a reliable systematic review of cohort studies that provides good-quality evidence (not low-grade) then you can add a review of studies. Most reviews of cohort studies will look at 12-20 studies. We can't add individual cohort studies onto Wikipedia or multiple like you did. We need good quality systematic reviews if such content is to be added. See WP:MEDASSESS. Psychologist Guy (talk) 14:20, 10 December 2022 (UTC)
- @Psychologist Guy thanks for finally explaining, and I made a mistake: apparently 'WP:MEDRS' finally did become a guideline. The thing is I wasn't making biomedical claims, just a claim that more biomedical research & usage of a topic has been ongoing--it'd be up to other sources to state details. I hadn't been sure the problem was single cohort (so no control group) or single studies (so not replicated). I still don't know what the case is if a review cites studies that don't have a control group but it's extremely unlikely I'd ever cite such about any details.--dchmelik☀️🦉🐝🐍(talk|contrib) 22:52, 10 December 2022 (UTC)
Requesting some article expansion help
editGreetings @Dchmelik
Hi, I am User:Bookku, On Wikipedia I engage in, finding information and knowledge gap areas in Wikipedia and promoting expansion of related drafts and articles. Came across your user profile .
Requesting your visit to Draft:Irrational beliefs and Draft:Superstitions in Christian societies and help expand the topic areas if you find any of topics interesting. Wish you very happy Wikipedia editing.
Thanks and warm regards Bookku (talk) 02:05, 12 March 2023 (UTC)
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Wikiproject
editHi, I see you're a member of WP:Mythology, would you be interested in a sub project on WP:Anthropology on oral tradition? Kowal2701 (talk) 14:29, 26 July 2024 (UTC)
- Kowal2701, anthropology is a great subject, and I hope any such projects succeeds, but I don't even edit much for mythology currently and don't know anthropology basics, so unsure I can help.--dchmelik☀️🦉🐝🐍(talk|contrib) 02:19, 27 July 2024 (UTC)
- That’s okay, you don’t need to be an expert, I’d like to have some useful sources on the main page for people interested but unfamiliar. Most articles involving oral tradition have clean up tags, so just copy editing would be useful. Personally I’d recommend Jan Vansina’s Oral tradition as history [1] Kowal2701 (talk) 08:02, 27 July 2024 (UTC)