User talk:Bogdangiusca/Archive13

Wallak

Bogdan, there seems to be a new Bonnie sockpuppet around: User:Wallak. He has already done quite enough damage - check out his edits on Template:Romanian historical regions, Vlachs of Serbia, Romanian language, Budjak etc etc. He broke 3RR a multitude of times, added OR and POV, redirected content based on his own reading of sources that I've proven not to substantiate his point, and attacked many users in several ways. I wanted to start a formal process about his edits as tiresome as that may be, but I wonder if I wouldn't be wasting my time. Do you think a checkuser is in order? Dahn 19:22, 10 August 2007 (UTC)

Dahn, relax. There is already a checkuser in progres. I hope as soon as possible you'll appologize.--Wallak^Talk 19:27, 10 August 2007 (UTC)

Or is it Greier? Dahn 19:36, 10 August 2007 (UTC)

You're really paranoic Dahn. Is it Bonnie, is it Greier? Who is your next guess?--Wallak^Talk 19:37, 10 August 2007 (UTC)

It's this part of the game for testing me? Do you know me? --Wallak^Talk 19:48, 10 August 2007 (UTC)

I thought I might know you. :-) bogdan 19:54, 10 August 2007 (UTC)

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New tags

Thank you for adding the tags to this and this, and they can prove helpful for other images. Does this mean that the images can be moved to commons? Dahn 21:43, 11 August 2007 (UTC)

Hm... I don't think that tag exists on commons. I should create it. bogdan 21:37, 13 August 2007 (UTC)

No rush. Did you actually create it here, or has it been around for a while? Dahn 21:47, 13 August 2007 (UTC)

Mount Athos

Mount Athos is an autonomous monastic static, it is somehow like Vatican only that it is a part of Greece, but it does have autonomy. See also Mount Athos. Also then, why have you moved Moldova after Romania? On wich criteria? Alphabeticaly Moldova is before Romania. --Danutz

Mount Athos may be autonomous, but it uses in its administration only Greek. Romanian is used in the service of one monastery and there's no proof it's an official language. bogdan 21:37, 13 August 2007 (UTC)

Busy times

Are you perchance aware of this? Dahn 21:38, 13 August 2007 (UTC)

Blocked. :-) bogdan 21:40, 13 August 2007 (UTC)

Egad! All that vandalism has tied links in ribbons. I cannot make heads or tails of many of them. Dahn 21:50, 13 August 2007 (UTC)

He just finished his PhD thesis and he has a lot of free time on his hands... bogdan 17:11, 15 August 2007 (UTC)

I laughed, but then I cringed: what if Bogdan was being serious? Dahn 20:24, 15 August 2007 (UTC)

Something to ponder

All this revolving around the Romanian language has got me thinking.

You have done a very good job on that article and the related ones (though the series of hypes has brought its quality back to below-standard), and you are clearly the person to ask about things going in and where. I remember seeing that edit war about Slavic influences and whatnot, and most of it was indeed revertible. However, the notion is not at all unorthodox, and it seems common sense that such articles or their affluents should at least look into the debates that involved and/or shaped the Romanian language. Readers should have a glimpse into the Hasdeus, the Cihacs, the Asachis, the Laurians, the Heliades, the Eminescus - all in one place. I'm thinking specifically about an overview of Italianization, (neo-)Latinization, and Francization, as well as of the fact that linguists have not been able to ignore that the archaic lexis was so very Slavic. I'm also thinking about the theory of "words in circulation".

This may already be detailed somewhere (I have not checked all the ins and outs), but it could be summarized in the main article, and, if not, could lead to a different article (for which we already have some sourced material in related ones). I have already touched on this subject in my discussions with Biruitorul, but there is no plan outlined yet.

You can answer whenever you have the time or simply ignore the proposal. Now, in case you agree that this is something to consider, I would love if you would comment on it. There is, of course, no rush. Cheers, Dahn 22:30, 13 August 2007 (UTC)

User Brickoceanmonth

Hello. You recently blocked Brickoceanmonth (talk · contribs) as a sock of Bonaparte. I'm just letting you know I got this strange request from him on my talk page. Cheers, Pascal.Tesson 03:33, 14 August 2007 (UTC)

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History of Macedonian language

Hallo, Bogdangiusca! I propose you are native Romanian, not Moldavian speeker!The case with Macedonian is analogical! Jingby 15:00, 21 August 2007 (UTC)

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Two of Bonaparte

Hi. i tried to raise some awareness about this, but there was no feedback: this and this are Bonaparte's open proxies, as far as anyone can tell. Additionally, they have also harassed, vandalized, created POV forks, abused talk pages, and broken 3RR. Dahn 20:27, 24 August 2007 (UTC)

Thank you. Dahn 20:45, 24 August 2007 (UTC)

You're welcome.

Now to Boni: Don't you feel sometimes that you need to do something constructive with your time? I know you like to annoy people, but don't you ever get bored of it? You're acting like a 12-year old bully. Grow up already! bogdan 20:56, 24 August 2007 (UTC)

Funny stuff

Well, I know I said I no longer buy Caţavencu, but I've had time to return to the classics what with the political developments of last year. Anyways, the last issue has two articles about wikipedia. One is something about Loredana Groza's page on rowiki - they presume that the glorification signifies it was authored by the girl with the diamond socks herself, but I'd bet my money on her brother Cristi. The other one is of more general interest, and refers to this (in case this isn't already old news to you, do scroll down to the bottom and read all the episodes - it's mind-blowing). Dahn 22:26, 24 August 2007 (UTC)

Hehehe, thanks for the links. :-) bogdan 16:44, 25 August 2007 (UTC)

List of notable converts to (religion X) articles

Please do not change the name of these articles again without first discussing it on the talk page of WP:RELIGION. Consensus has been to have the word "notable" in the title. If you disagree with this, please discuss this first.--Sefringle^Talk 04:13, 25 August 2007 (UTC)

I don't want to intrude, but isn't it common sense to assume that lists and categories comprise articles, and that wikipedia only has articles on notable people. AFAICS, the "notable" section of the title in either lists or cats is illogical. Dahn 09:04, 25 August 2007 (UTC)

Actually, the consensus is that having words such as "notable", "important", etc in the names of list articles is superfluous and the Manual of Style says we shouldn't do it:

The name or title of the list should simply be List of __ (for example list of Xs). Do not use a title like: Xs, famous Xs, listing of important Xs, list of noted Xs, nor list of all Xs.

bogdan 16:44, 25 August 2007 (UTC)

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Latin Union

Latin Union is mostly a linguistical organisation, as you can see on their website, they promote the teaching of the Romance languages, they make studies on this languages, deal with terminology issues. It is somewhat like the CPLP or La Fracophonie and at first I also didn't wanted to include it, but I thoght it is a organisation especially created for the Romance languages and that is why it should be included. It is not like the International Olympic Comitee or the Postal Union, it deals with this language. --Danutz —Preceding unsigned comment added by Danutz (talk • contribs) 15:07, August 26, 2007 (UTC)

Guess who

...and guess who dropped on by — see here. Still keeping pets, Danutz? Dahn 16:44, 26 August 2007 (UTC)

Well, Danutz is a nice man, at least you're not Dan, let's face it. And I'm sure Danutz is good person also in reality, and you not.

And here. My, he seems to be prolific these days. Dahn 17:05, 26 August 2007 (UTC)

Thanks. There's also this one. Dealt with. Dahn 12:08, 27 August 2007 (UTC)

Macedonian language in Bulgaria

In the beginning of the article Macedonian language are listed only several countries with significant number of Macedonian language speakers or countries where Macedonian has official status like Albania. In Bulgaria there are about 3,000 people who declare their mother tongue as Macedonian according to two last Bulgarian censuses. Therefore Bulgaria is on 14th place in the world by number of Macedonian language speakers (see table "Regions with significant populations" in the article Macedonians (ethnic group)). It is not relevant to include it in the list of countries with numerous Macedonian language speakers. Please, don't do that again in the future. - Jackanapes 16:03, 26 August 2007 (UTC)

A question

Hi again. Do you suppose it is valid to suspect that this user is the same as this one? The core issue has really gotten messy. Dahn 18:01, 29 August 2007 (UTC)

Well, I think it's clear that they're both the same person... bogdan 18:36, 29 August 2007 (UTC)

And I'm guessing they both come from the year 7515. I need an aspirin. Dahn 18:41, 29 August 2007 (UTC)

Romanian Year 7515? Hahahaha... bogdan 18:53, 29 August 2007 (UTC)

But not as funny as the insight you gave. So, did you mail them? Dahn 20:22, 29 August 2007 (UTC)

I see he is now sending people to look up in the archives of the SRI: "fond P, file 40022, vol. 3, p. 1-64". :-) bogdan 14:05, 30 August 2007 (UTC)

Speaking of which, I hope you enjoy this original take on WP:RS. Dahn 20:27, 29 August 2007 (UTC)

Sigh. Dahn 13:48, 31 August 2007 (UTC)

Bogdangiusca

Hey, Bogdan. I've read somewhere that in the first half of the 20th century there were some original desires that whole of geographic Banat should become part of Romania. Is that some truth in there?

Yes, I've seen Romanian-made ethnic maps of the region suggesting that it would be fair that the whole Banat to be in Romania because the number of Serbs in the whole Banat was similar to the number of Romanians (Vlachs) in Serbia at the time. bogdan 12:59, 31 August 2007 (UTC)

Well, the numbers were these, so it seems that there were indeed more Serbs in the Banat, which was more densely populated than the Timok area, where the Vlachs live.

In Banat: 284,329 Serbs (1910 census)

In Serbia: 159,510 Romanians/Vlachs (1895 census)

bogdan 13:05, 31 August 2007 (UTC)

But that's the 1895 census, and not 1910. Is it possible that there were more in 1910? --PaxEquilibrium 21:41, 31 August 2007 (UTC)

Likely no, because of assimilation. bogdan 07:52, 1 September 2007 (UTC)

In the 1921 and 1931 population censuses there were some 230,000-240,000 Romanians in Yugoslavia. They were almost the exclusive population in that municipality that "goes into" Romania and formed absolute majority in five neighboring municipalities (including Negotin). And to the north Vršac had a relative majority. --PaxEquilibrium 19:33, 3 September 2007 (UTC)

Image:Mapbanatromaniansserbs1919a.jpg -- this is the map I was talking about. I suppose that the idea behind it is that Romania would have "deserved" the whole Banat. bogdan 20:01, 3 September 2007 (UTC)

Is it 100% correct?

Also, why won't you answer me for this below? --PaxEquilibrium 17:02, 4 September 2007 (UTC)

Also, I'd if you could shed some clouded things (there are disputes over several Austro-Hungarian articles in Wikipedia) regarding the dissolution of Austria-Hungary (and it includes Transylvania and Banat), but before I ask you - how good are you at 1918? Cheers. --PaxEquilibrium 12:18, 31 August 2007 (UTC)

To cut the short, it's Talk:Creation of Yugoslavia, the bottom in particular. There is PANONIAN from Serbia, and Hobartimus from Hungary as well as Rjecina from Croatia. The subject is that the annexation of Hungarian territory was illegal, and I think it's too POV as it is in the article - see Creation of Yugoslavia. Throw me a word or so, anything could help. --PaxEquilibrium 21:41, 31 August 2007 (UTC)

Can you help about this? --PaxEquilibrium 18:25, 2 September 2007 (UTC)

Translation

Hi there, Bogdan. I've been fiddling around with the Wikimedia error message page (again), and one of the things I'm doing is adding Romanian to it (among other languages). However, my request for translations of a couple of sentences on meta has not been met with anyone doing Romanian. Would you be able to help me?

I need the following two sentences translated from English to Romanian (it doesn't have to be exact, it's the meaning which is most important):

• "If you report this error to the Wikimedia System Administrators, please include the details below."

• Dacă raportaţi această eroare administratorilor de sistem ai Wikimedia, vă rugăm includeţi detaliile de mai jos.

• "If you would like to help the non-profit Wikimedia Foundation, please make a donation." (please put the italics in where there should be a link to the donation page)

• Dacă doriţi să ajutaţi Fundaţia non-profit Wikimedia, vă rugăm să faceţi o donaţie.

In addition, could you proof-read the following translations which I already have for Romanian:

Fundaţia Wikimedia

Eroare

Serverele Fundaţiei Wikimedia întâmpină în acest moment dificultăţi tehnice.

Problema este probabil temporară şi sperăm că va fi remediată în curând. Vă rugăm să încercaţi din nou în câteva minute.

Finally, if possible, could you specify which part (if any) of that very last sentence (above) should be a link corresponding to "try again", for a link to reload the page?

Thanks for having a look at this. Wikimedia loves you! - Mark 04:57, 4 September 2007 (UTC)

Done. bogdan 09:25, 4 September 2007 (UTC)

Thank you, very much :) - Mark 11:12, 4 September 2007 (UTC)

Problem template

See this, Bogdan? I'd argue for its speedy deletion, as a) it's created by Bonaparte and b) it's highly improbable we'll be having all those articles. Thank you for your consideration. Biruitorul 21:02, 4 September 2007 (UTC)

Oh, Lord Almighty! I'm glad this was brought up. Delete, I beseech you. Dahn 01:15, 5 September 2007 (UTC)

Khojaly Massacre

Hi, Bogdan! Is is not better to protect it in the variant before a large number of reversions in content disputes? Especially if only the part of reverts (related to the links) is explained in the talk page! For example he never explains why he readded "large number", deleted <fact> tag despite no citations from the HRW and Memorial Human Rights Center provided etc. Pls look again if you have time! Thanks in advance! Andranikpasha 10:15, 5 September 2007 (UTC)

Current article version is more comprehensive and neutral than previous version. It actually should have been at the version prior to recent wave of an edit war [1] in attempt to push POV, remove links to images and documents related to the massacre, etc. Both HRW and Memorial references were provided there. But current version, with exception of image removal, is acceptable as a starting point for discussions. Atabek 20:24, 5 September 2007 (UTC)

Outrageous

It seems that User:Elmao was able to start CfDs to move all references to Târgu Mureş to Tîrgu Mureş. He did this based on an absurd reasoning outlined here - note that he was the only one to comment there. This leaves the categories outrageously inventing orthography rules, in contrast to all other such categories (based on what Elmao deduced from an issue of Monitorul Oficial - which, btw, happened not to use "â" at all). Can you please fix this or bring it up for discussion? Dahn 11:45, 9 September 2007 (UTC)

I reverted everything. bogdan 12:05, 9 September 2007 (UTC)

Thank you. Dahn 12:07, 9 September 2007 (UTC)

Eh... Dahn 18:47, 9 September 2007 (UTC)

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IPA help

Again, I'm confronted with that IPA problem: can you please add it here? I'm hoping you'll enjoy the article and the userbox ;) Dahn 14:43, 11 September 2007 (UTC)

That article is great, I love it! And I just added the userbox to my userpage! ;-) bogdan 14:52, 11 September 2007 (UTC)

Thank you! Al dracului domn' Bogdan! ;) Dahn 14:59, 11 September 2007 (UTC)

Ottoman rule?

Could you please establish the years of Ottoman reign (takeover and then independence) for Wallachia and Moldavia on List of Ottoman Empire dominated territories?

Hmm... what's more complicated about it is that for some (rather short) intervals, Wallachia was not under Ottoman control and it refused to pay tribute: for example, 1459-1462, under Vlad III the Impaler.bogdan 11:01, 13 September 2007 (UTC)

Any clearer for Moldavia or Transylvania? --PaxEquilibrium 14:33, 18 September 2007 (UTC)

Also are you by any chance mad at me for some reason? --PaxEquilibrium 22:36, 12 September 2007 (UTC)

No :-) bogdan 11:01, 13 September 2007 (UTC)

Any specific reason then why you're not interested in the Banat 1918 historical issua? --PaxEquilibrium 14:33, 18 September 2007 (UTC)

Cluj-Napoca Ghetto

Given that "Napoca" wasn't introduced until 1974 and that "Cluj Ghetto" appears the more accepted name, would it be possible for you to move it there, or should I go to WP:RM? Biruitorul 05:36, 14 September 2007 (UTC)

I moved it a couple of times to Kolozsvár Ghetto because that was the official name at the time, but some people keep moving it back... bogdan 07:20, 14 September 2007 (UTC)

OK, I will launch a discussion on the talk page. Biruitorul 23:59, 14 September 2007 (UTC)

Rădăuți

Hi. It seems that diacritic thing keeps backfiring. Can you please move back and tell those editors why we use what we use? It is really frustrating to see people changingh things selectively and not worrying about the consequences. (It might have happened elsewhere) Thanks, Dahn 09:30, 17 September 2007 (UTC)

Done. bogdan 09:52, 17 September 2007 (UTC)

BTW, Dahn, I might go these days around the city to take some photos. If you have any buildings/places of which you'd need a photo for an article, just tell me. :-) bogdan 11:29, 17 September 2007 (UTC)

You could pay a visit to the Military Museum and take photos of the Vaslui diorama. --Thus Spake Anittas 21:47, 17 September 2007 (UTC)

Hm... but wouldn't that "artistic" piece be copyrighted? bogdan 22:02, 17 September 2007 (UTC)

I don't think so, but you could always ask. Jmabel went there to take photos of the Vaslui diorama and returned with photos on the Siege of Plevnin. Altough we couldn't use those photos for B. of Vaslui, we did use them for other military articles. I think he asked around and was told that it would be ok. The items are, afterall, in the possession of the Ro state and we are not hurting their interests. --Thus Spake Anittas 22:33, 17 September 2007 (UTC)

Value aside (remember Suceava, B?), Romania doesn't copyright pictures of public displays, afaik. But you're the more knowledgeble one. Dahn 22:18, 17 September 2007 (UTC)

Rock and roll! (I didn't see this last comment of yours, because it merged with your previous one as far as my watchlist goes... so sorry for the delay). It's a bit difficult, cause Turgidson is prolly going to fill in those "chores" I assigned him, and we wouldn't want to end up with many pics of the very same things (better one of each for many than many of each for few). But you said something about Caragiale's house in Bucharest? That would be peachy, provided it's not out of your way. If I remember correctly, it was near Icoanei - which brings to mind a building mentioned here, also in that general area. I have a hard time reconstructing the details here, but you may be more familiar with that quarter than I'll ever be.

No, it's not out of the way, it's very close to where I live for now. bogdan 21:58, 17 September 2007 (UTC)

Cool. Dahn 22:18, 17 September 2007 (UTC)

I'm out on the field myself, and out of Bucharest actually. I crossed out of my natural habitat and ventured into Braşov - to find out that I cannot use either of the cameras I have access to, because I misplaced the cables for both...

And thank you! Dahn 21:12, 17 September 2007 (UTC)

Disruptive user

Hi again. If you have the time, could you please look into this? I've warned the user, but he continues to vandalize pages. Dahn 18:51, 20 September 2007 (UTC)

I may be wrong, but it seems that this IP (which was used by the since-banned User:Icar) is remarkably similar to this one and this one, especially since the POV-pushing edits are of the same nature and promoting the same bullshit. In your opinion, is it safe to assume that he is back? Dahn 20:17, 2 October 2007 (UTC)

Oh, and: how reliable are WHOISs? Because this one leads to some place nice. Dahn 00:40, 3 October 2007 (UTC)

Teoctist

Salut. Sunt in articolul despre patriarhul teoctist niste acuzati nefondate cum ca ar fi fost homosexual si legionar, pe care eu le-am sters, si tu le-ai pus la loc. Ceeace se spune la sectiune de controverse sunt neadevarate si jicnitoare. Raportul la care face referire este era facatura a comunistilor ca sa denigreze personalitatea patriarhului si ca sa fie folosit ca santaj, asa cum faceau adesea comunistii, in special cu detinutii politici. NU ca si cum erau niste adevaruri. Este neadevarat si dureros ce scrie la acea sectiune. Patriarhul nu a fost homosexual, nici legionar iar treaba cu sinagoga e aiurea. Nici comunitatea evreiasca nu accepta aceasta dezinformare. De parca el nu avea altceva de facut decat sa devasteze sinagogi. Ar trebui sa se vada dincolo de aparente, pentru a intelege personalitatea celui care a fost Patriarhul nostru. Arthasfleo 17:00, 29 September 2007 (UTC)

Articolul nu spune că acele lucruri sunt adevărate sau false, ci doar că acestea sunt scrise în dosarul de securitate. De asemenea, articolul mai scrie şi care este poziţia Bisericii Ortodoxe Române. Cititorul nu are decât să creadă ce vrea el, dar noi în Wikipedia prezentăm ambele puncte de vedere (vezi WP:NPOV), indiferent dacă pot fi considerate jignitoare sau nu. bogdan 17:12, 29 September 2007 (UTC)

Possible speedy deletion candidates

User:Simion Eugen-Andrei lives on and has created an article about Strada Luica, as well as Strada Bârsăneşti and a Template:Streets in Bucharest (the vast majority of which, of course, don't deserve articles). Presumably these can just be erased, as well as Mr Simion being informed of our policies. Biruitorul 22:21, 2 October 2007 (UTC)

I just checked his userpage. rofl...100-percent Muntean. --Thus Spake Anittas 22:33, 2 October 2007 (UTC)

There are apparently two users involved - see here. This is one of the lamest things I ever did see on this project (also note the commonscats... are they actually empty, or did commons crash?). Dahn 22:32, 2 October 2007 (UTC)

Deleted :-) bogdan 08:29, 3 October 2007 (UTC)

Ion Antonescu

I noticed Ion Antonescu, and that it has been fully protected since July 22 without any talk page discussion nor a request for page protection (it also seems as if you were involved in an edit war at that time). Anyway, I'm just contacting you to see if there is any reason why the article shouldn't be unprotected.-Andrew c ^[talk] 23:02, 4 October 2007 (UTC)

I unprotected it. bogdan 23:04, 4 October 2007 (UTC)

OK. And I see now that another user requested protection originally. If anonymous users return, we can always restore semi-protection. Or if there are problematic editors violating 3RR or other policies, we can block them. Thanks for looking into this.-Andrew c ^[talk] 23:06, 4 October 2007 (UTC)

Bogdan, I also hope you are following the spurious diatribes on the talk page. Nothing of that speculation should make it into the article, and I think both the user and his likely sock should be notified concerning our policies. Dahn 23:29, 4 October 2007 (UTC)

Templates that should be deleted

I am of the opinion that the mo-template should be deleted, especially this one. What is your opinion? --Thus Spake Anittas 10:50, 5 October 2007 (UTC)

If that is your opinion, then nominate them for deletion. bogdan 15:34, 5 October 2007 (UTC)

I thought this was the place to get things deleted. I just followed Dahn's steps, but I suppose that you only take delete requests from certain people. --Thus Spake Anittas 17:19, 5 October 2007 (UTC)

Please look at the policy: Articles which have no assertion of importance/significance can be deleted on the spot. However, for things like the one you linked, the deletion is supposed to be debated here: Wikipedia:User categories for discussion. bogdan 18:05, 5 October 2007 (UTC)

Biertan Donarium

Hi, I have a question about the photo used in that article. What is the P in the X sign? Do you know that? Thanks Mallerd 14:32, 7 October 2007 (UTC)

I suppose they are the two Greek letters XP (chi rho), from the Greek name of Christ, ΧΡΙΣΤΟΣ. bogdan 15:03, 7 October 2007 (UTC)

there's an article for this sign: Labarum bogdan 15:08, 7 October 2007 (UTC)

Thanks bogdan :D! Mallerd 15:15, 7 October 2007 (UTC)

Dan Voiculescu protection level

Just a heads up, Dan Voiculescu (which you protected) is still semi-protected from June. The storm that was happening then has completely calmed, and the alleged troublemaker has been inactive since June; seems pretty safe to unprotect now. :) Regards, AllynJ (talk | contribs) 21:48, 8 October 2007 (UTC)

Thanks. Unprotected. bogdan 22:19, 8 October 2007 (UTC)

Charles de Gaulle Square

Question: per this and especially this, would it not appear that Aviatorilor and de Gaulle are two different squares, and not that the former became the latter, as our article now claims? Biruitorul 02:03, 9 October 2007 (UTC)

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Announcement

Hi Bogdan, I would like to announce you that the Romanian military history task force has just been created on the Military history WikiProject. Please have a look on it, and maybe you would like to join. Any help would be very usefull! Best regards, --Eurocopter tigre 20:16, 17 October 2007 (UTC)

Hi

Hi Bogdan, I found out why I think Winona is hot. Check Lucard and Alucard. ;) Isn't this world interesting, friend? :) I should run for President of Romania, I've been in Wallachia a long time and I served my country. Or do you want to be president? Let's do this. And we take Moldova. 69.109.63.13 01:32, 18 October 2007 (UTC)

Hm... so I guess you are interested in having some vampirical sessions with her? Being president may look cool at first sight, but it's a lot of trouble. :-) bogdan 11:15, 18 October 2007 (UTC)

You know what I find interesting about this, Bogdan. It's that I found out about this finally in July 2007. I still have the receipt from the library naming the book. It was not exactly a surprise, I often drink blood anyway, often mine. People often wonder why I often nick myself when I shave. Maybe I need more iron. 69.109.63.13 01:27, 20 October 2007 (UTC)

[http://www.metacafe.com/watch/765741/photoshop_tutorial_vampire_angelina_jolie Shocking footage captured —Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.109.63.13 (talk) 18:04, 20 October 2007 (UTC)

Provincialism

De ce nu esti om corect? Stii foarte bine ca multi dintre voi discriminati pe moldoveni si va bate-ti joc de noi si de Stefan cel Mare. --Thus Spake Anittas 11:43, 18 October 2007 (UTC)

bateţi. bogdan 16:15, 18 October 2007 (UTC)

Raspunde la intrebare, ingamfatule! --Thus Spake Anittas 16:18, 18 October 2007 (UTC)

I don't think there's any point in falling over your troll. :-) bogdan 21:09, 18 October 2007 (UTC)

Bonnie treading

Eh... Dahn 19:19, 19 October 2007 (UTC)

Am corectat o greşeală, dar mi-ai anulat corectura. De ce?

"Escu" nu a însemnat niciodată "fiu" ci "sunt". Ba mai mult, este încă folosit uneori în Oltenia, Timoc şi Macedonia. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Toli Cuturicu (talk • contribs) 19:22, 20 October 2007 (UTC)

-esc este o formă de posesiv: de exemplu român -- românesc (care aparţine românilor), cioban -- ciobănesc (care aparţine ciobanilor), etc. bogdan 19:30, 20 October 2007 (UTC)

Unii bulgari spun ca -escu vine de la -ski. Tu fiind neam cu ei, ce spui? --Thus Spake Anittas 19:34, 20 October 2007 (UTC)

Nu sunt sigur de origine:

• În latină există -iscum, de origine germanică, dar a apărut doar în latina târzie, şi e puţin probabil să fi fost moştenit de acolo. Româna s-a despărţit de restul limbilor romanice înainte de influenţa germanică să fie puternică (de aceea, noi folosim "alb" şi nu "blanc").
• Nici varianta slavă nu e prea probabilă, pentru că ar fi trebuit să-l fi împrumutat mult prea devreme, astfel încât să schimbe "i"-ul în "e".
• Iar despre limba dacă nu ştim prea multe, aşa că nu are rost să facem speculaţii. bogdan 20:01, 20 October 2007 (UTC)

Este corect, dar şi afirmaţia mea este corectă. Iar din cele două sensuri, cel de "eu sunt" reprezintă etimologia corectă a numelor de familie menţionate. Îmi pare rău că ai greşit, dar adevărul este mai important. Dacă nu mă crezi, întreabă pe oricine. Nu cred că mai are cineva această părere năstruşnică cum că provine de la "fiul lui". Pe de altă parte, sunt român, nu bulgar şi îmi cunosc bine limba. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Toli Cuturicu (talk • contribs) 19:42, 20 October 2007 (UTC)

Yeah! --Thus Spake Anittas 19:44, 20 October 2007 (UTC)

Ai vreo sursă de încredere care să spună asta, că sufixul înseamnă "eu sunt"?

Multe nume de familie provin din aceste patronime: de exemplu, "Ion Ştefănescu" = "Ion al lui Ştefan" (este vorba de numele folosit în şcoală al lui Ion Creangă. Nu ar avea sens să însemne Ion eu sunt Ştefan) bogdan 20:01, 20 October 2007 (UTC)

Da. Cartea lingvistului Alexandru Graur "Nume de locuri şi de persoane" —Preceding unsigned comment added by Toli Cuturicu (talk • contribs) 20:48, 20 October 2007 (UTC)

Şi aia ce spune? Ca aromânii folosesc "escu" pentru "sunt", sau că sufixul "-escu" din română e acelaşi lucru? Pentru că, dacă prima e valabilă şi a doua nu, referinţa e vrăjeală şi argumentul original research. Dahn 21:29, 20 October 2007 (UTC)

Image deletion request

Better images than the ones in Romanian Patriarchal Cathedral have been found and uploaded to Dealul Mitropoliei. I'd ask that you please delete all the ones in the first article and keep only Image:Biserica Patriarhiei1.jpg there. Biruitorul 19:53, 21 October 2007 (UTC)

Moldavia

Is this OK? --PaxEquilibrium 20:55, 22 October 2007 (UTC)

Well, I think it's better to be kept because it's useful for people who don't want to read the entire article, but just want to see some quick facts about the country. bogdan 21:34, 22 October 2007 (UTC)

I think that when it comes to tables, all see footnotes - look at Serbia and Vojvodina. It should be everywhere noted that lexicographically it's Romanian - but don't you agree the table should contain that which is official (regardless of anything)? --PaxEquilibrium 11:21, 23 October 2007 (UTC)

Well, officially, Moldovan was defined as being the same thing as Romanian in a 1989 Moldovan law. bogdan 11:25, 23 October 2007 (UTC)

Is the Law still in act? What kind of a Law was it? --PaxEquilibrium 11:32, 23 October 2007 (UTC)

There are a few of them, all still valid:

(1989) "identitatea lingvistică moldo-română realmente existentă" - the Moldo-Romanian linguistical identity which truly exists.

(2003) "poporul moldovenesc şi poporul român folosesc o formă literară comună" - the Moldovan people and Romanian people use a common literary form

bogdan 11:49, 23 October 2007 (UTC)

But Moldovan is official isn't it? I compare it with the situation in Montenegro. --PaxEquilibrium 12:12, 23 October 2007 (UTC)

The user in question seems to have a problem comprehending the English language, as well as what the law say about the role of the Romanian language; he had a similar problem before, when trying to interpret Wiki policies regarding communication in other languages than English (something you have volunteered to assist him with). This time, he has decided to remove the mention of Romanian as an official language, which of course is a statement supported by Moldovan laws that are still valid. When I reverted, the user in question told me to discuss the issue on the talkpage. Wikipedia guidelines say that if one wants to make a controversial change, he should first discuss it on the talkpage. The change was made by the user in question, not by me; therefore, it is he who should have attempted to discuss the matter on the talkpage, before trying to implement the changes. The user has asked you for your opinion on your talkpage and you have answered him that Romanian should be left as a note in case people just scan for some quick information. I have argued the same. The user's argument is flawed in the sense that if Romanian is not to be deemed as partially official, then not only the name should be removed, but also the footnote; if, however, the footnote should remain, then his argument, saying that only Moldovan is deemed as the official language, is void, because the footnote says otherwise. Since you are a moderator, a linguist familiar with this topic, and since you have helped the user to cause damage to my integrity--and as such, befriended him--, I believe that you should deal with this on your own. I will now retreat from this dispute and leave all the moral responsibilities that relate to this topic, lay on your shoulders. --Thus Spake Anittas 18:04, 23 October 2007 (UTC)

Bonaparte

What did Bonaparte do? From what little experience I had with him I saw only some good comments. :) --PaxEquilibrium 11:32, 23 October 2007 (UTC)

He is one of the most prolific trolls in the history of Wikipedia, having hundreds of sockpuppets. He just likes to annoy people and claims to be a very patriotic Romanian. bogdan 12:14, 23 October 2007 (UTC)

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"Host"

Hi. While I do not object to the change, I was going for the antiquated word for "army", which is a rough equivalent of "oaste". Your call. Dahn 10:26, 26 October 2007 (UTC)

Ah, okay. I think the word "host" meaning army is rather obscure in English, while "oaste" has a quite clear meaning in Romanian. bogdan 10:34, 26 October 2007 (UTC)

Fair enough. Dahn 10:53, 26 October 2007 (UTC)

Btw, B, and this relates to a discussion we had a few days back: have you seen the Ro version? Dahn 13:12, 26 October 2007 (UTC)

I think the person who wrote it should be informed about wikipedia policies (that is, if those policies apply to rowiki :P). Check these out: "împreună cu alţi camarazi legionari"; "Regimul comunist de la Bucureşti a pus la dispoziţia guvernului american documente false cu privire la activitatea sa politică din perioada studenţiei, atribuindu-i fapte criminale de care, în realitate, nu a fost responsabil. Acest lucru îl arată în cartea sa "Orizonturi roşii", fostul general de Securitate, Ion Mihai Pacepa, şi rezultă şi din alte documente date la iveală după decembrie 1989."; "Guvernul israelian nu a dat curs acestei propuneri, dar în urma unor asemenea înscenări, în anul 1984 Episcopul Valerian s-a retras de la conducerea Episcopiei". Oh, mamma. (I'm not going to comment on the use of words such as "dimpreună".) It's a good thing Romanian readers have a user named Inistea to tell them that American and Portuguese authorities are wrong... Dahn 16:12, 26 October 2007 (UTC)

The old version of Garda de Fier said very clearly "legionarii nu au omorât evrei". Some other articles say that Antonescu was not responsible for any killings, either. bogdan 18:40, 26 October 2007 (UTC)

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The "sh" again

Hi, Bogdan. Can you please undo this edit? I'm thinking we need to inform users in general on what we use and why. Thanks. Dahn 08:15, 1 November 2007 (UTC)

Done. :-) bogdan 09:14, 1 November 2007 (UTC)

That was quick! Tell me, do you have the explanation saved in some text file and just copy-paste it here when you need to? :D Dahn 09:40, 1 November 2007 (UTC)

Words

I would like to know the words that we used before we adopted these ones:

• important, significant;
• influentat;
• concentrare, focus;
• ambitie;
• civilizatie;
• politicos

--Thus Spake Anittas 09:35, 1 November 2007 (UTC)

"Significant"?! "Focus"?! Dahn 09:38, 1 November 2007 (UTC)

They don't exist? OMG! Okay, I know you're a gentleman, Dahn, and that you won't take advantage of this to tease me. LOL! --Thus Spake Anittas 09:42, 1 November 2007 (UTC)

I'm willing to erase all my comments in this section, if you want me to. Dahn 09:44, 1 November 2007 (UTC)

No, it's fine, but thanks. If someone wants to make fun of that, let them. --Thus Spake Anittas 09:53, 1 November 2007 (UTC)

Anyways, here's my [speculative] proposals:

• însemnat
• îndemnat
• frământare, încordare
• năzuinţă
• depending on context, I guess (though no alternative covered the exact and vast meaning, which may be paralleled in all languages that use the Latin-based term)
• cumsecade

It may be that some of these are also modern coinages, but not as modern. Dahn 09:54, 1 November 2007 (UTC)

Dahn's proposals are very good, I would just add politicos = cuviincios, a se concentra = a-şi aduna gândurile. There's an antonym for civilizaţie, "sălbăticie", but I can't think of any synonym. bogdan 09:56, 1 November 2007 (UTC)

Dahn was pointing out that the two words mentioned by me do not exist in Ro. As for your alternatives, they are good, except the insemnat. I know that in old Moldavian legislation, a ruler was not allowed to be insemnat prior to his coronation, which stood for having a handicap. Why didn't those academics choose to make those words primary in usage and instead adopted those other words of French origin? --Thus Spake Anittas 10:04, 1 November 2007 (UTC)

I don't think that it was impossible for "însemnat" to have several meanings, with the one you mention being a derived one (just as it is for the root "semn"). Minor points: afaik, there was no coronation of Moldavian rulers, and "însemnat" was not just for "handicap" (in theory, it also worked for birthmarks and the like).

To answer your latest question: it was probably because the people started using them, in what was a very long process of competing foreign-based vocabularies (French and Italian, mainly). Some guys wanted to reshape the language itself, and purge Slavic influence. In their defense, it has to be said that there was also the issue of dialects, which gave the same words several meanings, or which used completely different words for the same concepts. For all the ridicule associated with these attempts, some of the antiquated words were already beginning to sound more awkward or less relevant by the late 1800s. In short: yes, it was a "revolution from the top", but it worked. Dahn 10:14, 1 November 2007 (UTC)

(Anittas, I'm not sure, but I think you failed to note that Bogdan's message followed my reply.) Dahn 10:15, 1 November 2007 (UTC)

I see it now. Well, I'm in a peculiar period and I don't think the confusion will stop here. Yes, insemnat could also stand for those born with birthmarks, but I thought that "de seama" could stand for important. Anyway, I know about their objective in wanting to purge the language of some of the Slavic influence, but the words you mentioned there are of Latin origin. Indemnat from Latin indeminare; insemnat from Latin insignare; incordare (coarda) from Latin chorda; nazuinta, ethnic word; cumsecade, a formation of three words, all of Latin origin; framantare, from Latin fragmentare. I used Dexonline as my source. So as you can see, they actually worked against our Latin herritage instead of strengthening it. --Thus Spake Anittas 10:49, 1 November 2007 (UTC)

Well, yes, but as I have said, the main thing may be that the people had started using them as more modern equivalents, and the anguage just recorded the habit. Add to this that people like Heliade thought Romanian was simply a dialect of Italian, so it may be that those words borrowed from Italian were simply used to highlight that subservience (and even replace Latin variants). It is also possible that some of those words I gave as alternatives were produced, selected, or at least enforced for "fuller" meaning, by pre-1848 intellectuals (I know that the original tendency was to translate modern terms into a purified Romanian - for example, "preşedinte" was adapted from French or whatever in a manner that would still reflect two Romanian components, "pre-" and "a şedea", favored over "prezident" or whatever it was that the Transylvanians used). Dahn 10:58, 1 November 2007 (UTC)

ş (s-cedilla) in Wikipedia, not ș (s-comma)

Thanks for the comment. I must agree with you, after I moved the article to the other name I noticed that Wikipedia (even the Romanian one) uses ş for ș. It is of course not an option to use a character that wouldn't display at all on many operating systems. And for the sake of convention it is better to use ş for the moment.

One thing though, I use Windows Vista with IE7 and it displays ș correctly :). Kind Regards, Maarten 14:47, 1 November 2007 (UTC)

I'm guessing...

Shall we guess? Dahn 09:13, 3 November 2007 (UTC)

Thank you. And I think there's much to be said about this (in any case, it smells like open proxies). Dahn 16:26, 4 November 2007 (UTC)

Oh, and then there's this guy (note the fixation). Dahn 19:33, 6 November 2007 (UTC)

Mitch Clem

Hi. I think that you did the right thing by nominating Mitch Clem for AfD. It is failed BIO at that time. Now it is it better, but I think that it is a good test case for discussion the standards of BIO. I've posted a message to the Pump and at BIO to stimulate some discussion. Not an obvious yes or no, but a good learning tool. Cheers! --Kevin Murray 16:01, 7 November 2007 (UTC)

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Argh! The diacritics

Bogdan, can you please make this person understand just how disruptive and absurd he is being? Dahn (talk) 12:06, 24 November 2007 (UTC)

Okay, I said to him the standard lecture about why we use s-cedilla...bogdan (talk) 15:14, 24 November 2007 (UTC)

Hi, can I also ask a favor? This user has been putting some curious interwiki links; I spent some time cleaning up something like a dozen of those, such as this one. I hope this will do it, but if not, maybe you could explain things to that user? Thanks. Turgidson (talk) 17:18, 24 November 2007 (UTC)

Speaking of diacritics, I have another question: Do redirects work for categories that contain diacritics? I noticed that Category:People from Liège (province) didn't have the diacritic, so I created such a page, and redirected from Category:People from Liege (province) to it, but now the result looks strange (it refers to itself!) Before trying fixing Category:People from Liege (city), or for that matter, trying to create redirects for, say, Category:Iasi, or dozens of such pages for the Romania-related cats, I'd like to know what the scoop is on cat redirects. Does it work, or better not mess with it? And, if it doesn't, how to get out of this jam with the Liège cat? Thanks. Turgidson (talk) 19:32, 25 November 2007 (UTC)

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