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The opposite is true. Ed Dodd and his staff did not create the comic strip Mark Trail inside a hermetically sealed urban skyscraper. In keeping with Dodd's environmental concerns, as evident through the windows in the photo (and amplified in the caption and body copy), they worked in the midst of a forest, which had the same name as the forest depicted in the comic strip. Pepso2 18:55, 23 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep As Pepso2 describes, this image provides very valuable information about the Mark Trail working environment--both the forest setting in which the studio was located and the layout, physical materials, and ambience of the studio itself. While the text of the article leads us to understand the significance of the image, we learn much more from it text alone could tell us.—DCGeist 16:26, 27 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  • KeepYes, this really is an excellent image that tells us so much about how the comic strip was created and how the place where it was created affected its style and content. I don't see how text could convey all that this picture does.DocKino 21:23, 28 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Image kept -Nv8200p talk 02:45, 5 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]
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  • Non-free comic strip panel being used to illustrate a tangentally related subject; the illustrated point is pretty simple ("Stormtrooper armor has a built in POV video recorder") and does not require an image at all let alone a non-free one. Eleland 14:50, 23 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]
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Note: I've combined this nomination with several similar other ones, per WP:BOLD The Evil Spartan 18:25, 23 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Image:Hess.jpg (delete | talk | history | logs) - uploaded by Kenosis (notify | contribs).

IMPORTANT NOTE: The proposal here is to apply this IfD to all the images listed immediately below this note, based upon the precedent set in the just-concluded Ifd of Image:Oneill.jpg. The consolidated list of images for which this IfD presently applies is:

Image:Hess.jpg - Claimed to be PD, but source states Copyright © The Nobel Foundation 1936
Image:Jean_Baptiste_Perrin.jpg - Claimed to be PD, but source states Copyright © The Nobel Foundation 1926
Image:SinclairLewis1930.jpg - Claimed to be PD, but source states Copyright © The Nobel Foundation 1930
Image:Yeats1923.jpg - Claimed to be PD, but source states Copyright © The Nobel Foundation 1923
Image:Heisenberg.jpg - Claimed to be PD, but source states Copyright © The Nobel Foundation 1932
Image:Schrodinger1933.jpg - Claimed to be PD, but source states Copyright © The Nobel Foundation 1933
Image:Chadwick.jpg - Claimed to be PD, but source states Copyright © The Nobel Foundation 1935
Image:GeorgeBernardShaw-Nobel.jpg - Claimed to be PD, but source states Copyright © The Nobel Foundation 1925
For a similar case, see this previous ifd. --Abu badali (talk) 21:47, 23 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

IMPORTANT NOTE:The previous IfD is under DRV review owing to the questionable judgment exhibited by the closing admin. •Jim62sch• 19:29, 25 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Yet another Important Note: the previous IFD decision to delete was overturned upon appeal at DRV. I've posed some questions about the precedent here. – Quadell (talk) (random) 13:36, 27 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Comment - Wikipedia does not work on precedent, but if that matters, the "the just-concluded Ifd of Image:Oneill.jpg" was unanimously overturned at DRV, since Quaddell, despite being involved in the discussion, closed it against both acceptable procedure and consensus. "Contempt for Wikipedia" is not an acceptable "precedent". Guettarda 13:59, 27 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  • Strong keep. In the US, virtually no copyrights were ever renewed in the US. Copyright Office for photographs published in this time span, and a search of the US. Copyright Office records reveals no renewals of periodicals or submissions to periodicals by the Nobel Foundation. Thus, it is in the public domain in the United States. In the European Union, copyright expires after 70 years for "works" (such as photographs) where a natural person is not publicly named as the author. In the European Union, under EU Copyright Directive, Article 1, §§1-4, where the language is quite straightforward, this image is "anonymous" or "pseudonymous", published under an organizational name to which the lifespan of a natural person is not applicable. Thus any copyright expired 70 years after its publication date, and it is in the public domain in the European Union. ... Kenosis 17:07, 23 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  • Abu badali, your predispositions and style of argument have already been addressed in the recent administrative proceeding. No one here is suggesting that an old assertion of copyright be ignored. Rather, they should be closely paid attention to, but viewed in light of laws about the limits of copyright. In the US, these images were not, according to the US Copyright Office records, renewed, so all of them have been in the public domain in the US since the early 1960s at latest (28 years after each was published with that original "©" notice). In the EU, they expired 70 years after the original copyright notice, because you can't copyright something under an organization name and then claim "Oh, it's 70 years after the photographer dies". ... Kenosis 15:58, 25 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  • Strong keep - I believe you've nominated this at the wrong place, Abu. Even if it's copyrighted, it's clearly non-replaceable, passing WP:NFCC. You might try WP:PUI. The Evil Spartan 18:14, 23 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]
      • Changed to neutral, pending the outcome of Kenosis' exchange with the Nobel foundation. If they assert this kind of claim to a photograph, and they can show the copyright was renewed, they it clearly should be deleted as a copyright violation. Fair use does not mean we can willy-nilly ignore copyright laws when they're asserted. However, if the copyright was not renewed, obvious keep. The Evil Spartan 13:27, 25 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  • The problem here is not "willy-nilly ignoring copyright laws", but rather is somewhat the opposite. I have not, nor do I necessarily intend to, email the Noble Foundation (though I might -- I used the words "if I email the Nobel Foundation... [it would be with roughly the questions posed below in this thread]"). The main issue here is that a thorough search of the U.S. Copyright Office records reveals the following: (1) The Nobel Foundation does not appear to have filed any renewals; so therefore these images would be in the public domain after 28years from the copyright date given by the Nobel Foundation (the filing with the USCO is a requirement to extend copyright beyond 28 years); and (2) In the EU, if the Nobel Foundation or the laureates hired someone to take these photographs, they expired 70 years after the first publication, given by the copyright date the Nobel Foundation put on the online source page of the image. In the case of the Hess photo, it is 1936, so it became public domain 70 years later in 1996. We also still have some images going to as late as 1947 to attend to, which also are in the public domain. None of this requires a direct response from the Nobel Foundation (though I admit it would be nice). ... Kenosis 15:46, 25 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]
    • Being "non-replaceable" is just the first of our 10 criteria for non-free material. Images from nobelprize.org, for instnace, fail criterion #2, as the website licenses these images for a fee. From their legal notice, "For uses of photos in general, permission from the Nobel Foundation, and in certain cases from the photographer, is required" and "Nobel Web is selective in granting such permission, and when Nobel Web does grant permission Nobel Web generally impose a fee". See this previous IFD for an example of tentative fair use of nobelprize images. --Abu badali (talk) 20:46, 23 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment: The Nobel Foundation seems to claim copyright. Kenosis claims it isn't likely that they do hold the copyright, and I have no idea how likely it really is. . . but they seem to claim that they hold the copyright, and it's certainly plausible that they could. I think that that these photos could be kept as non-free images, though.Quadell (talk) (random) 20:35, 23 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]
I did not claim "it isn't likely"! Please don't misrepresent me by attaching your conclusions based on what I said. I claimed it is in the public domain. ... Kenosis 23:53, 23 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]
I certainly don't mean to misrepresent you. But, respectfully, you can't know that they don't hold the copyright. It's plausible that they could have renewed the copyright in the 28th year, which would mean they would still be copyrighted, and none of the online databases list copyright renewals for non-books before 1978. (I'm deeply in your debt for pointing me to those databases, however.) – Quadell (talk) (random) 00:09, 24 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]
And you can't know that your best friend didn't commit a serious crime unless you look it up. There is no record of any renewal. The logic you are using is specious at best. •Jim62sch• 19:33, 25 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]
They who, and where is your proof and how is that issue valid? •Jim62sch• 19:35, 25 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  • Another comment: I have e-mailed the Nobel Foundation in the past, asking them to release their photos of the 2007 winners under the GFDL. They said no, but they were responsive to e-mail. Would anyone be willing to e-mail them and ask them point blank whether or not they hold the copyright to these photographs? The e-mail address is info@nobel.se – Quadell (talk) (random) 00:09, 24 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Apples and oranges as well as supposition. •Jim62sch• 19:35, 25 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]
    • Thank you, Quadell. If I myself choose to email the Nobel Foundation, it will be with the question already clearly put forward in the image pages at issue here, which is, roughly put: "(1) Did the Nobel Foundation ever submit any asserted copyrights to still-photography images to the United States Copyright Office such that copyright for this photograph might, according U.S. law, be extended beyond 28 years from the date of original publication of this photorgraph? (1-a) Since such filing does not appear to be visible in the US Copyright Office records for the applicable years, where might one find such filing of copyright renewal in the United States?; (2) With respect to present European Union copyright law, did the Nobel Foundation publicly disclose the name of the phototgrapher(s) of Nobel Laueates such that the public would reasonably be aware of the name(s) of the natural person(s) who actually created the "works"? [To wit, more specifically, have said photographs in the original form been publicly attributed to an "author" in conjunction with the publication of such photographs, without respect to corporate itdentify or other boilerplaete involving group pseudonymous behavior, but with respect to individual behavior such that an actual author of the work who conceivably might ever have actually taken the photograph (i.e. the fellow you hire to come into your banquet to run the camera, the "author"], and might have, for example, sold such natural person's rights to such photographs according to which the natural lifespan of such author may be calculated, but which ""author" or "hired photographer" was never reasonably disclosed to the public in conjunction with the publication of the work of said (as yet unidentified) person behind the camera')?? (2-b) If the Nobel Foundation has published said still photograph such that the identity of the original photographer may reasonably be said to have been made available to the public, please disclose all where places where such disclosure may be found, to the best extent known by the Nobel Foundation. ___________" ... Kenosis 06:17, 24 August 2007 (UTC) ... In other words, lacking evidence of a coyright renewal befpre 28 years after publication, it is public domain in the US. And, lacking evidence that the real name of a real person/photographer (not just a foundation or organization or corporation) was published in conjunction with the photograph in a way that 70 years after the death of any asserted author can actually be calculated as part of the public discussion of the matter, it's public domain in the European Union 70 years after the original publication, the "copyright date". ... Kenosis 07:10, 24 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep These images are clearly PD. I'm not sure if a few of you pay attention to copyrights, but if you've ever noticed, renewals are stated as well as the original; e.g. (c) 1930 Farty Owls Ltd, (c) renewed 1967 Fatty Towels. •Jim62sch• 09:03, 24 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  • keep per Kensosis and Jim. JoshuaZ 18:50, 25 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment - I'm not sure where people are getting the copyright dates from here. I keep seeing a general copyright statement at the bottom of the Nobel website giving the copyright as the year in which the Nobel was given. I interpret that to apply to the text of the Nobel statement, biographies and speeches. I've been looking through the terms of use, but can't find anything definite about photograph credits and dates. Anyway, I've found several of the photos elsewhere. The Hess photo is a crop of one at the American Institute of Physics (AIP): here: "AIP Emilio Segre Visual Archives, E. Scott Barr Collection". I'm still trying to work out where E. Scott Barr got the image from, and whether the Nobel people got the photo from him or not. The Perrin photo is more clear cut. It is clearly A6 in the AIP collection here: "Credit: Photograph by A.B. Lagrelius". This is the same Lagralius as in "Lagrelius & Westphal", and I can't be sure, but they seem to have taken lots of Nobel photos. The Heisenberg AIP picture is here: "Photograph by A. Bortzells Tryckeri, courtesy AIP Emilio Segre Visual Archives". The Schrodinger picture is in the AIP collection as well: here (it's been flipped over), but the information there says "Courtesy Brittle Books collection" and "From the book: 'Bahnbrecher des Atomzeitalters : grosse Naturforscher von Maxwell bis Heisenberg' by Friedrich Herneck, Berlin: Buchverlag Der Morgen, 1977." so it seems AIP didn't get the image direct (in fact, most of their images, like many archives, will have been donated as collections). The final science Nobel here, the Chadwick one, is here: "Photograph by Bortzells Esselte, Nobel Foundation, courtesy AIP Emilio Segre Visual Archives, Weber and Fermi Film Collections" Note that the name "Bortzells" crops up again. Anyway, I think this means that in many of these cases the original photographer is known, but the Nobel Foundation are not publicising the names for whatever reason. Quite what this means for the arguments put forth here, I don't know. I'll leave that to others to decide. Carcharoth 03:51, 27 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  • Responsive Comment: In other words, the Hess photograph is unattributed and was first published no later than the 1936 Nobel copyright, and therefore is correctly termed public domain in both the US and the EU. As to those for which an author is found to be published, just to be safe, they should be removed from the category associated with Template:PD-EU-no author disclosure. All of these are public domain in the United States, since none were renewed prior to the expiration of 28 years. ... Kenosis 12:51, 27 August 2007 (UTC) ... OK, done for Heisenberg, Perrin and Chadwick--removed PE-EU-no author disclosure. Thanks Carcharoth. ... Kenosis 13:09, 27 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  • No problem. I will add the extra information to the images soon. It is always worth searching at a wide range of archive locations. You may reveal contradictory or incorrect information over a 70 year+ history for an image, but put together it can sometimes make sense. Imagine if we had to try and pick out the history of maps or artworks that are hundreds of years old! Thank goodness for public domain by age! Carcharoth 16:33, 27 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  • But now, let's look in more detail at the process by which the Nobel information and photos are created, gathered and distributed. It might be too simplistic to say "first published no later than the 1936 Nobel copyright". My feeling is that this varies from case to case. Let's look at the Hess biography from the Nobel website. The bit of text at the bottom tells us:

    "From Nobel Lectures, Physics 1922-1941, Elsevier Publishing Company, Amsterdam, 1965. This autobiography/biography was first published in the book series Les Prix Nobel. It was later edited and republished in Nobel Lectures."

    Looking at the details of the series 'Les Prix Nobel':[7], we find that:

    "Since 1901 the Nobel Foundation has annually published a series of yearbooks, Les Prix Nobel, containing reports from the Nobel Prize Award Ceremonies in Stockholm and Oslo, as well as the biographies and Nobel Lectures of the Nobel Laureates. Up to 1988, the texts were published in the language in which they were presented. Since then the material in Les Prix Nobel has been mostly in English."

    Now, this refers to the text of the biographies and lectures, and doesn't help us with the images, but it does give us an insight into the processes involved. Each year, the Nobel Committee contact the laureates, and the laureates submit biographical information and write their speech, attend the ceremony (though some can't make it), and the laureates presumably either send the Nobel Committee a photo, or have their photo taken by a Nobel photographer in Sweden. It seems that all this information is then gathered together and published in their yearbook, an annual report. The information is then reused later, as in the 1965 Elsevier publication "Nobel Lectures, Physics 1922-1941", but this process involves editing and translation. It could also, presumably, involve adding new or better photos. It is also unclear whether photos were always taken. It is entirely possible that when the information was recycled and republished yet again when the Nobel website was set up, that someone said "Look, no photo! Go find one!", or even that an old Nobel photo was published for the first time when the website was set up. What is really needed is for someone to get hold of the individual yearbooks Les Prix Nobel, and see if the photos now on the Nobel website were used in there. Or ask the Nobel Foundation to explicitly state on their website where the photos came from and where they were first published. If the answer is "we got them from various sources, sometimes taking them ourselves and sometimes using ones that were sent to us, and in all cases we published them in that year's edition of Les Prix Nobel ", then things will become a lot clearer. I had a quick look around in rare book websites for 'Les Prix Nobel', and found this one from 1938. The description on that website (search for Prix) says:

    "LES PRIX NOBEL EN 1938. Stockholm: P.A. Norstedt & Soner, 1939. Octavo. 77pp., 8pp. Speech given by Fermi on Artificial Radioactivity Produced by Neutron Bombardment FIRST EDITION, 17pp. Speech given by Pearl Buck on The Chinese Novel. Includes introduction by the committee in Swedish and English, also a short biography of Fermi and Buck with photographic portraits of each author with tissue guards. A fine copy bound in blue cloth, boards triple ruled in gilt with title gilt to spine and upper board, all edges gilt. A very scarce title." (my emphasis, and available for $300 if anyone is feeling generous)

    I would bet a lot of money that the photographic portrait of Fermi in that book is the one shown on the Nobel website here, which, returning to AIP, is this one, credited simply "Emilio Segre Visual Archives". This could mean that AIP have neglected to provide the full history of the image, or it could mean that Emilio Segre himself took the photo or collected it from some other source without realising or recognising the Nobel connection. As for the Elsevier publications from 1965, I haven't tracked them down, but many collections of Nobel lectures are still widely available, as this Amazon search shows. Anyway, hope this sheds more light on the fascinating world of Nobel Prize publications. I challenge someone to turn that link blue! :-) Carcharoth 16:33, 27 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment: By the way, the exact response given to me about photos of the 2007 laureates was "The Nobel Foundation does not distribute portrait photos, or give permission to reprint photos of the Nobel Laureates due to copyright considerations (new policy from March 2007). I would recommend you to contact a major photo agency to make your enquiry." I don't know, but it sounds like they are saying they don't hold the copyright to these photos. I wish they were more clear. – Quadell (talk) (random) 13:36, 27 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment: I have written the Nobel Foundation to ask point-blank whether they claim copyright on the images on their site, and if not, whether they have any information on who holds the copyright (if anyone). They were relatively swift in responding last time, so I suspect I'll have an answer in a few days. Please hold off on processing these images until I hear back. In my opinion, if the Nobel Foundation explicitly claims copyright, then we should not use the images. If they explicitly claim that the images are in the public domain, then we should believe them. If they beat around the bush and don't give a straight answer, then, well, I guess it's up to the closing admin to decide how to handle it. – Quadell (talk) (random) 13:57, 27 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  • In the US, at least, it doesn't matter unless they can show a renewal prior to the expiration of 28 years that might have been missed in a reasonable search (I trust that at this point in time I am not alone in having done such a search). My speculation is that, like the nuns in the IfD of Image:Josephine Bakhita.jpg and Wikipedia:Fair_use_review#10_August, fundamentally they have better things to do than try to figure out who precisely owned copyright, if anyone, and in what country or countries, and what might be the status under present-day copyright law, or heaven forbid, does it actually belong to the public at large. ... Kenosis 14:21, 27 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  • Quadell, if they are responsive, it might be worth asking them to clarify the following that appears in their terms and conditions (which I linked above): "The following listed copyright protected material: photos of the Laureates, other photos, the Nobel Diplomas, the Nobel Lectures, speeches and biographies – of which the Nobel Foundation is the proprietor – and the Nobel Posters and the Swedish Nobel Stamps, of which a third party is the holder, are encompassed by special regulations." - ask them what the "special regulations" are. They also state "[everything] which appears on the Site is either proprietary to Nobel Web or used in accordance with applicable law or third party consents." - so you can ask them point blank here "are the photos yours or are you using them in accordance with some law, or with third party consent?" Finally, they say "For uses of other photos, permission from the Nobel Foundation, and in certain cases from the photographer, is required." - so a polite enquiry as to whether they always publish the name of the photographer would help. Also, date of first publication is unclear. I believe that they just put a copyright date of the "year of the Nobel Prize" at the bottom of each page - as they seem to be reusing the text that was written that year, or submitted by the laureate. The provenance of the photographs is less clear, as I am about to point out above. Carcharoth 16:33, 27 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  • Like notches on some unnamed lawyer's belt, yet another WP user gets overwhelmed by the legalese. I cannot knowledgeably address special regulations w.r.t. licenses involving third paries such as that presumably granted to the proprietor of Nobel Posters and Swedish Nobel Stamps. But, the words "[various material] of which the Nobel Foundation is the proprietor..." mean little or nothing more than that the Nobel Foundation is the one presenting the material, and that it's their compilation to which they assert lawfully available property rights. If the property right is no longer available, it's public domain, meaning the public owns it. Reproductions on their website of material they published in the 1910s, 1920s, 1930s, 1940s, 1950s, and up until 1963, if they have not complied with US formalities such as renewing the copyright within 28 years, belong to the public, not to the Nobel Foundation. That includes even photographs that were commissioned by the Nobel Foundation-- those photographs belong to everyone insofar as US jurisdiction is concerned. In the EU, photographs published 1937 or earlier, the law is only slightly more complicated w.r.t. photographs from that era. If there's a clear notice of photograph authorship (the photographer, which must be a natural person, not an organization) to which the 70-years "post mortem auctoris," (past the death of the author) can be attached, the photographer or the photographer's "assignee" (whoever the photographer may have sold the rights to) can lawfully claim copyright. In this case, the use of such an image of a historically important person such as a Nobel Laureate may still be perfectly permissible, but under a different standard than an assertion of "public domain". At the moment, the distinction is important because of the vicious opposition to "fair use" in WP despite the legal validity of such use w.r.t. historically important persons such as Nobel laureates. At least that's my take on it... Kenosis 17:20, 27 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment - it is interesting to compare the way pictures are credited on the Nobel website for 1936 and 2006 (click on one set of image to see the copyright and/or photograph credit details). The former photos are not credited, while the latter are, though all the pages have "Photos: Copyright © The Nobel Foundation". The new policy of crediting the photos to the organisations or photographers seems to first start in 2005. Going all the way back to 1901, we have Wilhelm Rontgen. Compare the Nobel and AIP images. AIP say "Photograph by Gen. Stab. Lit. Anst., courtesy AIP Emilio Segre Visual Archives". I have no idea what "Gen. Stab. Lit. Anst." means, though it looks like a journal abbreviation to me. At a wild guess, Emilio Segre obtained the photo from a journal. Note that Rontgen did not deliver a speech, so we can't be sure in that case that the Nobel Foundation took the photo. Anyway, in 1901, I wonder whether the Les Prix Nobel yearbook even had photos? Yes, I know, 1901 is a bit old for these sort of discussions, but I thought it would be interesting to go back that far. Carcharoth 16:59, 27 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]
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This image is copyrighted but was erroneously indicated as otherwise. Article for which this picture was uploaded was deleted after debate.— Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.48.226.89 (talkcontribs)

  • Comment The copyright for this image was claimed by the subject, David Anber. It may well be that the photograph once appeared in the Edmonton Journal as 70.48.226.89 has stated (date, article title and page number, please), but this does not necessarily mean that it is under copyright (or that the copyright does not lie with the subject). Having said all this, as the David Anber article has been deleted, I see no reason why the photo should not disappear as well. Victoriagirl 07:01, 24 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]
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  • Keep The derivatives point is correct. It was the wrong license to use, even though the band own and release it for their publicity. I have re-tagged this as Non-free promo with the same rationale.Andi064 18:14, 26 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]
In that case, the band still exists, and a new photo could be created. I don't believe this image passes WP:NFCC#1. – Quadell (talk) (random) 14:00, 27 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]
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  • Keep, as it is said in its description, it is used for identification and critical commentary on Romanian Television post and its role in the Romanian Revolution of 1989. The fair use rationale states that a photo may be uploaded for identification and critical commentary on the station ID or program and its contents. Desiphral-देसीफ्राल 22:31, 23 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep Very valuable screenshot actually shows dictator on Romanian TV at a crucial turning point in history. As noted in the articles, television played a crucial role in the downfall of Ceauşescu. This image both shows how the dictator looked at this important juncture (no free image could convey the same information) and helps us to understand the interaction between TV and the revolution, the way no text or nontelevisual image could.—DCGeist 17:18, 25 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete. I don't believe this image shows any important encyclopedic information that couldn't be portrayed with a combination of free images and text. – Quadell (talk) (random) 14:08, 27 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]
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  • Beautifull and impressive image, not found on the source site, with copyright listed as "uncertain" in the image's description page, that is not necessary for the understanding of the article it's used in (although serves as a magnific illustration). Abu badali (talk) 22:23, 23 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  • Please note: This nomitation is not implying that the event depicted on this image is not notable. Explaining how notable and important the event his has nothing to do with keeping this image. --Abu badali (talk) 22:25, 23 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]
The website changed since the president changed, so it's no longer there. I'm not sure who exactly owns the copyright, but I presume that the presidency had some right to display it on its website. bogdan 22:46, 23 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]
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  • Non-free image showing a politician campaigning for a referendum, used to illustrate the information that she campaigned for this referendum. It doesn't seem to add any noteworthy information that isn't already conveyed with text. Abu badali (talk) 23:02, 23 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]
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Keep - The image is a reasonable cartoon whether or not a free photograph could be found or created for the David Dickinson article and whether or not this cartoon gets used there. If it wasn't used there it could illustrate an article on 'cartoons' or 'styles of drawing' for example. What criteria are you actually proposing it should be deleted under? JMiall 23:53, 23 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]
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  • Non-free ad for a bathhouse, used in the Bathhouse article, without mention of the ad (or much mention of that particular establishment) – Quadell (talk) (random) 23:48, 23 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep. The article now includes reference to the Incognito sauna and makes explicit reference to the image and the story behind its inclusion. Note that the site that includes this image is Gay bathhouse rather than Bathhouse and the image relates to a particularly famous gay bathhouse (now closed). Ashley VH 09:33, 24 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment: I still don't think it's adequate. The bathhouse itself is mentioned in one sentence: "Being identified in a sauna was still viewed by the press as scandalous; in November 1994 the Incognito sauna (see inset advert) made mainstream press as the gay sauna where a priest had died of a heart attack and two other priests were on hand to help out." I believe the ad does not provide any additional encyclopedic information. – Quadell (talk) (random) 14:38, 27 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]