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Saint-Denis

Hi Amakuru,

Now that the aricle's been moved, you might want to go through the 350 links to Saint-Denis and verify that they should rd to Saint-Denis, Seine-Saint-Denis. (We can't very well automate it, as many may have been at the wrong link to begin with.) — kwami (talk) 23:02, 10 August 2015 (UTC)

Hi Kwamikagami, thanks for the heads up, I'll do that later today. Cheers  — Amakuru (talk) 06:40, 11 August 2015 (UTC)

Rwanda FAR

Hi Amakuru. Just a heads-up that I think I'll have to nominate Rwanda for a featured article review soon. It's been months since I originally posted my concerns about the article, and there hasn't been much progress in addressing them. Hopefully a FAR will prompt some progress and the article will emerge stronger from the review. Cordless Larry (talk) 10:20, 12 August 2015 (UTC)

I have nominated Rwanda for a featured article review here. Please join the discussion on whether this article meets featured article criteria. Articles are typically reviewed for two weeks. If substantial concerns are not addressed during the review period, the article will be moved to the Featured Article Removal Candidates list for a further period, where editors may declare "Keep" or "Delist" the article's featured status. The instructions for the review process are here. Cordless Larry (talk) 13:41, 13 August 2015 (UTC)

Thanks for the heads up on this, Cordless Larry. As we discussed, I am going to address the issues with the health and education sections. I'll try and fit this in over the coming weekend and the one after. I believe you already did some work on the sport section. Was there anything else you felt needed work? Thanks  — Amakuru (talk) 13:44, 13 August 2015 (UTC)

Great, thanks Amakuru. I'm confident that the FA status can be retained with a little bit of work to the article. I'll also be trying to help out, but I thought it was best to put this through the review process so that we subject the article to some scrutiny and get wider input because it only seems to be the two of us who are interested in updating it at present. There are a few issues I've identified in the review nomination, but it would benefit from close reading to identify any other dated material. Cordless Larry (talk) 13:46, 13 August 2015 (UTC)

PS: If you know of anyone else I can notify about this, please do let me know. Cordless Larry (talk) 13:49, 13 August 2015 (UTC)

Hi @Cordless Larry: Lemurbaby and BanyanTree are two that I've worked with on Rwanda articles in the past. They may be able offer some thoughts on this. Thanks  — Amakuru (talk) 15:07, 13 August 2015 (UTC)

Thanks, I'll notify those two. Cordless Larry (talk) 15:11, 13 August 2015 (UTC)

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Rwandan Genocide

It's not that Rwandan Genocide is considered "not noteworthy". It's just that it was rotated out for this year. We had a 20-year anniversary event included and for chronological diversity, Rwanda got moved out. It will make it back in there in the future. Thanks. —howcheng {chat} 16:07, 25 September 2015 (UTC)

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• Apologies, Amakuru. Never mind. I think I found some things to cite. Cheers. Zzyzx11 (talk) 00:13, 27 September 2015 (UTC)

  @Zzyzx11: Oh, thanks. That's great!  — Amakuru (talk) 17:04, 27 September 2015 (UTC)

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Scotland flags

Hi. Regarding your reversion at 1998 FIFA World Cup - we sort of discussed the issue at User talk:Illegitimate Barrister#Scotland flags, and I edited a lot more articles besides that one (though by no means all of them) to replace the default flag with the "1542" variant. Do you mean with your edit summary that it was the current colour that was the most common one even before its officialization in 2003? And do you have any idea for how long it has been so? --Theurgist (talk) 03:20, 9 October 2015 (UTC)

@Theurgist: OK, I can't profess to be an expert in this matter :) But from what I can tell, from reading the article at [1], the 2003 officialization was simply that, not an active change of colour, but simply a standardising something that had been already the most common variant for many years previously. Looking at this image of flag bearers at the 1999 Holyrood opening ceremony, the blue looks quite similar to the pantone shade used now, not that "1542" very light sky blue variant. I'd also be interested to know if the sky blue flag was in any sense the common or official one in 1542, come to that. According to Flag of Scotland, that's just the earliest date that the Saltire is recorded in historical documents, and even that version, seen here seems to be a darker shade than the 1542 version in our template (although it's very low res so hard to tell exactly!). Personally I would prefer to standardise all usages in history on the present flag rather than have an arbitrary jump in colour in 2003, when that's not apparently what happened in history. Thanks  — Amakuru (talk) 07:12, 9 October 2015 (UTC)

I think that makes sense. --Theurgist (talk) 00:24, 19 October 2015 (UTC)

"Felix Crapper" redirect

Hi Amakuru, I was about to nominate Felix Crapper for deletion when I noticed you created it. There's no one by that name mentioned at Thomas Crapper, where it redirects, nor was there when you created it back in 2006. I'm not getting anything in Google for this name either. Do you remember why you created it? --BDD (talk) 15:45, 20 October 2015 (UTC)

Hi BDD, I think I'd heard people use the term "Felix Crapper" in a similar sense to "Thomas Crapper", as a joke name for the toilet. But that was probably just my imagination, and it's not backed up by sources anyway, so please feel free to delete the redirect. Thanks  — Amakuru (talk) 16:12, 20 October 2015 (UTC)

 Done Thanks! --BDD (talk) 16:15, 20 October 2015 (UTC)

Talk:Shipwreck Kelly (American football)

I started another RM; I invite you to improve consensus. --George Ho (talk) 05:12, 3 November 2015 (UTC)

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Youth in Rwanda page

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I am an American student in Des Moines, Iowa who has created a Wikipedia page as a part of a WikiEd class. I spent my spring semester of 2015 in Kigali with the School for International Training (SIT) studying Post-Genocide Restoration and Peacebuilding. I have just created a Youth in Rwanda page and it would be great if you could read it and provide feedback on its Talk page. Murakoze. GrebniewNeb (talk) 01:19, 14 December 2015 (UTC)

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Hours

As WP:Mrv requires me to discuss this first with you, I want to ask you if you can clarify some questions. First, which comment(s) listed at Hours' RM led you to decide to move the page to Hours (David Bowie album) rather than Hours... or Hours... (David Bowie album)? Second question would be, how did you reach such conclusion? Third, do you know the differences between consensus and polling? Fourth, do you know what does "styling" means in Wikipedia's guidelines; and fifth, are you aware of WP:RMNAC? © Tbhotch^™ (en-2.5). 22:41, 20 February 2016 (UTC)

@Tbhotch: - thanks for your comment here; happy to answer your questions as best I can.

• On (1) and (2) I wouldn't say there was any one comment that made me reach the decision, rather the weight of responders making similar comments, that the ... was not sufficient disambiguation from a recognizability point of view. I believe I explained my reasoning in the close summary. If you need examples, a couple of comments that summed up this position were: The average reader is not going to recognize "..." as meaning an album by David Bowie. and in fact I would claim it is only recognisable to the reader when the reader knows more about the subject than WP.
• (3) Yes, indeed I do. I have been on Wikipedia for quite some time, so I am reasonably familiar with how this works. In this case, there was a consensus to move, that much was clear. Given that consensus, it came down to picking which target to move to. As you know, we don't simply poll, because votes may be made that are not grounded in policy, or are based on erroneous assumptions. But in this case, honestly, there were valid policy arguments made for both titles. So rather than deciding which option I "prefer" and casting a supervote, I assessed which option had the most support, (which was clearly "Hours (David Bowie album)"), and went for that. RM discussions are not a vote, but that doesn't mean it's not relevant that six people support something rather than one.
• (4) As I interpreted it, styling is something covered by MOS:TM, for example "Macy*s" rather than Macy's. Plenty of responders in the RM discussion felt that the ... on the end of the Bowie album title falls into this category.
• (5) I included the RMNAC template in my close. Do you think an admin would have closed this differently? Obviously you preferred a different option, so you are objecting to the close, but was it honestly the wrong one? I don't think me being an admin or not has too much bearing on that. I have participated and closed plenty of RM discussions, although obviously we are all learning as we go along as well. Thanks  — Amakuru (talk) 23:47, 20 February 2016 (UTC)

Thank you for answering to the questions. Now I have some concerns, and I will begin with the last answer. You asked "Do you think an admin would have closed this differently?", and I think it does, as "no consensus". Although it is clear no one is supporting the previous title ('Hours...'), there was no clear consensus to where it should had to be moved. Although recognizability is cited, note that "Recognizability [...] should be seen as goal, not as rule." as cited at WP:CRITERIA. The ellipsis seems to be recognizable by the readers as per the view stats in this case. Now with the fourth answer. Styling is covered by MOS:TM, but MOS:TM is exclusive of trademarked titles, as noted here. The main difference between a stylized title like "Toys Я Us" with "Hours..." is the usage in reliable sources (29,000 vs 24,000,000; or using Macy's as you cited it: less than 4 million --as there is amixed usage of * and '-- vs 47 million), that's what MOS:TM is talking about--usage of sources vs. official naming. In other example have you ever wondered why "iPod" is more valid than "Ipod" here? "iPod" is a trademarked style and it is against " that most closely resembles standard English, regardless of the preference of the trademark owner", but it is used by almost all sources, ergo "iPod" is the title regardless MOSTM's guides. Now clarified this, as I noted at Hours' RM, more than the half of sources use the ellipsis, and as such, like with iPod, it is not a style, it is a valid title that falls under the "Article titles are based on how reliable English-language sources refer to the article's subject" clause. Also note that if ellipses were styling, titles like "I Am... (Nas album)", "...Baby One More Time (song)" or "Me. I Am Mariah... The Elusive Chanteuse" wouldn't have punctuation in them. Or titles like Sunn O))) or Deadmau5 would be considered as incorrect solely per MOS:TM. I think that as you tried to do good closing it, but a the same time you should have seen the whole picture, and not what "six people support[ed]", in which three of them had already commented before I gave major evidence, and one of them incorrecly saying "neither of these titles follows MOS or WP:NCM". © Tbhotch^™ (en-2.5). 00:41, 21 February 2016 (UTC)

I think usually when there is clear consensus to move away from an existing title, but not so clear consensus which title is preferred, it is still productive to figure out which of the alternatives has more weight behind it and use that. Like I say, the recognizability argument for this title, and your argument about more than 50% of sources saying something, could both be considered valid reasons, and hence rather than applying a supervote, I considered how many people supported one versus the other. Closing the debate as "no consensus", and therefore not moving the article, doesn't help to move things forward at all. At least now there's a title that some people want, and the argument is between two possible titles, not three - you could start a new RM if you wanted, to see if there's support for moving to "Hours..." or if there's consensus to retain this title. So personally I disagree with you that an admin would have closed as no consensus. You say I didn't see the whole picture, but at the end of the day not everyone in the debate saw things the same way as you did. And you can't really compare this to iPad since clearly a lot of sources do use Hours, or a mixture of the two. The current title is not wrong in any way, and calling it "Hours" is certainly not highly unusual, in the way that saying "IPad" or "Ipad" would be. Thanks again  — Amakuru (talk) 02:27, 21 February 2016 (UTC)

I--in fact no one--can open a new RM immediately as a RM has been closed (for a move to the same place), it is easily seen as disruptive. I will take this instead to MRV. As I noted above I am obligated to discuss this first with the closer. As obligated as well, here is the notification. I'm notifying you before opening it, but eventually the section will be there.

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PAW Patrol

Hello, I noticed that you renamed the PAW Patrol article so that "PAW" is written as "Paw." However, this series' title is not simply a stylization; according to trademarks filed by Spin Master (you can view these here), "PAW" is an acronym standing for "Pups At Work" and "Protect And Wag." The title has also been trademarked with periods (as "P.A.W. Patrol") to reflect how it is an acronym and not simply stylized in all capitals. Please consider changing the article's title back, as keeping "Paw" lowercase is incorrect. Thank you! --Squiddaddy (talk) 20:56, 23 February 2016 (UTC)

@Squiddaddy: thanks for your comment. As you regard this as controversial, I have reverted my move of this page, so it is back at PAW Patrol. However, I have now opened a move request at Talk:PAW Patrol, because I still feel that "Paw Patrol" is the correct title, for reasons I have explained there. You may wish to contribute to that debate on that page. Thanks  — Amakuru (talk) 11:07, 24 February 2016 (UTC)

Thomas Taylor

Hello, on these page moves. It's very unusual to use years of birth and death to disambiguate. Typically we would use (..., born xxx). See WP:NCPDAB.

But to be honest, I would find it more natural to disambiguate them as (priest) and (archbishop). Given the difference in hierarchy, it would be clear which is which. --Midas02 (talk) 03:05, 5 March 2016 (UTC)

Ray Tomlinson

Hey, We created Ray Tomlinson article for Turkish Wikipedia. You should add Turkish(Türkçe) langue for this article.

Link: Ray Tomlimson Türkçe --Kingbjelica (talk) 11:46, 7 March 2016 (UTC)

TH Köln - University of Applied Sciences

Hi Amaruku,

concerning your answer to my request to remove the TH Köln-Page: Gernerally I agree, but it was just on September 1, 2015, that Cologne University of Applied Sciences changed its name to Technische Hochschule Köln – abbreviated TH Köln. The official english name ist "TH Köln - University of Applied Sciences", there was not yet the possibility to create a "common name" like "technical university of cologne" in english. Furthermore, in Germany there are different types of universities: common universities and universities of applied sciences. TH Köln - University of Applied Sciences ist not a common university, therefore it is completely wrong to talk about a "technical university". The name "technical university of cologne" is misleading, please change the uncommon name to the official name and move the page to the new name. Further information: https://www.th-koeln.de/en/th-koeln--new-name-specific-ambitions_29584.php, https://www.th-koeln.de/en/th-koeln_27191.php

Thanks, Fhk-online — Preceding unsigned comment added by Fhk-online (talk • contribs) 10:47, 8 March 2016 (UTC)

Hello

Hey, I created astronaut Scott Kelly article for Turkish Wikipedia. I dont know "how I add langue for article" Please add Turkish Scott Kelly artcicle for Scott Kelly (astronaut) page. Thanks bro.

Turkish article: Kelly My TR account: Kingbjelica — Preceding unsigned comment added by Kingbjelica (talk • contribs) --Kingbjelica (talk) 18:25, 12 March 2016 (UTC)

RFC on Real Robot title

Hi. Since you recently closed a move discussion for Real Robot, I’m just notifying you of an RFC on that title. —67.14.236.50 (talk) 21:42, 12 March 2016 (UTC)

Millennium numbers

Hello. You closed the discussion on moving the pages on the first through ninth millennia. Does it make no difference that the reliable sources are virtually unanimous, that numbers of centuries and millennia (and all ordinal numbers) under ten should be written in words? See the examples I posted here. This is a very common, practically universal, convention in publishing and academic writing, and it should be followed here, even if a vocal crowd on Wikipedia disagree. I realize that a majority of commenters opposed the proposal, and that further discussion on that page is likely to be fruitless; but I want to go about this the right way, which, as I understand it, requires me to bring the matter up with you on your talk page, before I go any farther. J. D. Crutchfield | Talk 16:22, 14 March 2016 (UTC)

Hi Jdcrutch, and thanks for your message here. I've reviewed the request, and I've found fault with one aspect of my close - I mentioned WP:COMMONNAME, but I now realise that "first millennium" is in fact more common than "1st millennium". However, the most powerful argument presented by those opposing was WP:CONSISTENCY, which is one of the key criteria for picking article titles and part of Wikipedia policy. Clearly therefore the COMMONNAME and CONSISTENCY policies are in conflict with each other here, but as a clear majority of respondents were arguing for the CONSISTENCY rule to be applied, and certainly consistency is a valid argument, I could not have reasonably closed this any other way, and I don't see a need for me to re-open the discussion. Note that this consistency applies to article *titles* which is something the convention in publishing and academic writing wouldn't necessarily deal with. Calling the article "1st millennium" as a title does not mean we shouldn't refer to it in "first millennium" in prose. That's a different question.

I'm curious to know what you mean by "before I go any farther"... of course you're welcome to discuss and get feedback on this any way you want, but I would beware of WP:FORUMSHOPPING this issue. There's already an RfC open at Talk:1st century, which hasn't yet closed (and may yet cause a re-evaluation of the move request at 1st millennium depending how it turns out), so are you planning to take the discussion to yet another forum? Thanks again  — Amakuru (talk) 17:51, 14 March 2016 (UTC)

Hi, and thanks for your quick and friendly reply. I guess I understand your reliance on CONSISTENCY, though what may be consistent on Wikipedia is not necessarily consistent in the wider world of formal writing. At any rate, consistent error is still error, and, according to virtually all reliable sources, the majority in the millennium-number controversy are in error. If people on Wikipedia consistently wrote "Febuary" for "February", they'd still be wrong. I might also note that a title beginning with a numeral seems to be subject to the same objection as a sentence that begins with a numeral, which the MOS proscribes. Still, I don't guess any of this is a basis for reopening the discussion. I wasn't persuading anybody there, anyway.

As for going any farther, I was thinking of posting a query at the Village Pump as to what, if anything, to do next. I didn't initiate either the move request or the RfC (though they were initiated in response to me), but I plan on waiting for them to play themselves out (as the move request seems to have done) before I do anything else.

Thanks again for your cordial response. J. D. Crutchfield | Talk 18:30, 14 March 2016 (UTC)

NCGEO

Why was the MOS:COMMA bit removed? We still want people not to write "was born in Bloomington, Indiana and moved to"; it's ungrammatical, but people keep doing it, and will do it a whole lot more.  — SMcCandlish ☺ ☏ ¢ ≽^ʌⱷ҅_ᴥⱷ^ʌ≼  20:36, 22 March 2016 (UTC)

@SMcCandlish: Yes, fair enough, apologies for that. Although the exact sentence you mention would be unlikely to appear in an article title (which presumably us what the naming convention page is about) :) I'll add something back into that page shortly on MOS:COMMA for Youngstown, Ohio, cheez-its incident or whatever, since the RFCs expressly did not cover that case. Thanks  — Amakuru (talk) 21:01, 22 March 2016 (UTC)

Well, sure, I was just throwing in a random example. I was on my way out the door, pretty much and trying to finish up 5 windows stuff. :-) Anyway, thanks for putting it back when you get to it.  — SMcCandlish ☺ ☏ ¢ ≽^ʌⱷ҅_ᴥⱷ^ʌ≼  22:13, 22 March 2016 (UTC)

@SMcCandlish: Done!  — Amakuru (talk) 23:06, 22 March 2016 (UTC)

Chronic Condition Page

Hey Amakuru! I wanted to get more of an idea why you decide to move the pages chronic disease into one page as chronic condition. I find this quite odd since chronic condition isn't a term used as much as chronic disease. I feel these two should either remain separate or should be renamed to chronic disease as for those who search for topics about chronic "conditions" would probably use the more appropriate/common term: chronic disease. Thank you! Gurshawnstuteja (talk) 17:51, 23 March 2016 (UTC)

Hi @Gurshawnstuteja:, thanks for your message. I closed that request at "move" because there was no opposition to the request (a year ago), and it seemed reasonable, according to our policies. The previous title was Chronic (medicine), which was not very ideal as per the reasons given in the move request. Since it was a year ago, you would be perfectly welcome to propose a new move if you wanted. The page is WP:RM and instructions are there. Wikipedians would then comment on your request. You could mention the possibility of splitting it into two there as well, although it's possible "Chronic condition" and "Chronic disease" might be considered similar enough not to warrant two articles. Thanks  — Amakuru (talk) 18:28, 24 March 2016 (UTC)

Montgomery Bus Boycott

Hi. I've commented on your closure of the page (to Montgomery bus boycott) on the talk page, and ask if you could give more reasoning there for this close. It's such a major event in world history (in retrospect), and probably should, at a minimum, be explained further. I'd also like to take it to the next appeal level, but am not quite sure what that would be. Thanks. Randy Kryn 21:57, 7 April 2016 (UTC)

Gun Hill Road (Bronx)

Hi, I reverted your move. The RM called for the "Bronx" disambiguator. The stations' articles are very unlikely to be confused, because if one is indeed searching for the station, they will be looking for "Gun Hill Road station," not "Gun Hill Road". The Google Results for "Gun Hill Road" will show the road first, not the stations.

In any case, they'd be searching for "Gun Hill Road 2 train" or "Gun Hill Road 5 train" depending on the line they are looking for.

Thank you. epicgenius, presented by reddit.com/r/funny (talk) 23:50, 9 April 2016 (UTC)

I also made a brand-new requested move at Talk:Gun Hill Road (Bronx, New York). Thanks, epicgenius, presented by reddit.com/r/funny (talk) 00:23, 10 April 2016 (UTC)

Epicgenius thanks for your comment here. I have reverted your move to (Bronx, New York) again, because I don't think that's the best way to resolve this - having a third title in the mix muddies the water and will make any future RM discussions ambiguous. Per WP:MRV, the proper thing to do is to discuss my close with me here, which I'm happy to do in this case, as it was a close call. Anyway, I've made a lengthy comment at the new move request at Talk:Gun Hill Road (road), and pinged previous participants, so I think we can let that process determine the outcome here. Please leave the article at (road) for now, and if the discussion determines that (Bronx) is best, then it can be moved there at the end of that process. Thanks  — Amakuru (talk) 07:34, 10 April 2016 (UTC)

Santa Fe Passenger Depot (Fresno) RM

Hi, could you revisit (part of) your close at Talk:Santa Fe Passenger Depot (Fresno)#Requested move 15 February 2016? Specifically, the part involving moving Fresno (California High-Speed Rail station) to Fresno station (California High-Speed Rail). There was support for that, and no real specific opposition, and it's the form recommended by the guideline. Thanks,--Cúchullain ^t/c 13:48, 11 April 2016 (UTC)

Hi Cuchullain yes, you're quite right. I have amended my close accordingly. Thanks for bringing this to my attention.  — Amakuru (talk) 13:59, 11 April 2016 (UTC)

Luc Marchal

I happened to notice this when checking your editing for RfA: User:Amakuru/Luc Marchal. It looks nearly ready to go, he's certainly notable and it is mostly well sourced. I added an inline citation to an AP report on the court martial. The draft says there was a 2007 Belgian senate report, but the one I found was 1997: http://www.senate.be/english/rwanda.html. Is that what was meant or was there another later report? Another of the reference links is now not working. p.s. Good luck! Fences&Windows 20:42, 12 April 2016 (UTC)

Hi Fences and windows, in fact I can't take any credit for that article - it was my good friend BanyanTree, a fellow editor in the Rwandan space, who wrote the draft, then accepted a request for me to take it over, since he's not hugely active on WP any more. Sadly I've never got around to making any improvement to it myself in the two years since, but actually as you say it's probably good to go already as a shortish piece. I'll take a look tomorrow and then probably move it out to a new article. Or feel free to do so yourself if you like. Thanks!  — Amakuru (talk) 20:49, 12 April 2016 (UTC)

@Fences and windows: I have posted Luc Marchal as a full article now. Thanks  — Amakuru (talk) 17:51, 14 April 2016 (UTC)

RfA follow-up on AN/I

Hi again Amakuru. For some reason, I didn't receive a notification of your reply to my RfA question. Thanks for your response, though. I think I broadly agree, although I sometimes feel that responses from admins are slow to materialise at AN/I (e.g. in the Middayexpress case I was involved in last year, which you may remember due to your involvement in the debate over the appropriate title of the article now at Piracy off the coast of Somalia). Anyway, I don't want to engage you in a lengthy discussion about this now as you clearly have lots on your plate with the RfA. At least having more admins should in theory help speed up responses on the noticeboards. Best of luck with your nomination. Cordless Larry (talk) 21:16, 13 April 2016 (UTC)

I was going to wait until your RfA had closed before congratulating you, lest I jinx it, but it is so obvious that it will be successful that I might as well say well done now. Very well deserved - you'll make an excellent administrator. Cordless Larry (talk) 14:53, 19 April 2016 (UTC)

@Cordless Larry: thanks again for your support - looks like you didn't manage to jinx it, and probably the Wiki going to read-only mode for an hour stopped those hundred people who were going to oppose at the last minute..... I was involved a bit with the Piracy off the coast of Somalia naming discussion, but I don't recall the wider AN/I issues. I will follow the conversations (and contribute) more closely from now on, to try to get an understanding of where that page does and doesn't do its job. Anyway, I look forward to seeing you around the Wiki some more in the coming months and years, and getting some more African topics off the ground. Cheers!  — Amakuru (talk) 16:18, 19 April 2016 (UTC)

The AN/I thread is at Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/IncidentArchive887#WP:NPA breech following NPOV, THIRDPARTY breeches, but I don't think there are any remaining issues with the piracy article (at least stemming from the renaming incident). When I wrote the message above, I was frustrated with the slow progress of another discussion (Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/IncidentArchive920#178.217.194.100's long-term edit warring and continued addition of unsourced statistics), but that has been resolved now too. Anyway, here's to improving coverage of those African topics. Cordless Larry (talk) 18:26, 19 April 2016 (UTC)

In regards to your RFA

I've never seen a success rate that high before on an RFA - looks like it's going well! Best of luck - I'm sure you will pass based on what I have seen. --Ches (talk) (contribs) 16:37, 14 April 2016 (UTC)

@Chesnaught555: many thanks for your kind words. I have been very honoured and pleased by the large number of positive comments that have come in so far, it means a lot to be valued by the community. Keeping fingers crossed, there's still a few days left yet!  — Amakuru (talk) 16:42, 14 April 2016 (UTC)

I'm sure you'll be absolutely fine, do not worry! --Ches (talk) (contribs) 17:40, 14 April 2016 (UTC)

A barnstar for you!

		Home-Made Barnstar
		Congrats on your success rate on your RFA! Hope you win! Your contribs are pretty awesome. Peter Sam Fan 19:22, 14 April 2016 (UTC)

Thank you Peter SamFan, supporter number 1... Much appreciated!  — Amakuru (talk) 19:28, 14 April 2016 (UTC)

Social Justice Warrior move decline

I think your close rationale misses some very basic points. 1) WP:NCCAPS, MOS:CAPS all support capitalization of proper names. This is often confused with proper nouns, but they are not the same. "South Africa" is a proper name and is always capitalzed. Common names have a property where the words can be reordered without losing their definition (i.e. "the southern nation in Africa, Africa's southern nation are the same meaning through common names but not the same as "South Africa" which is a proper name). Similarly a "warrior for social justice" does not convey the same meaning as "Social Justice Warrior" which is a proper name with a pejorative overtone (our article covers the term in this way). If you call someone a "Social Justice Warrior" you are lumping them with a group with that proper name, even though it is pejorative. This is grammar. 2) the reliable sources were outlined in the first paragraph with much more hits for "Social Justice Warrior." 3) inclusion in the dictionary is definitive in that it describes a proper name (the whole phrase is considered one noun, not 3 nouns). --DHeyward (talk) 21:03, 14 April 2016 (UTC)

Hi @DHeyward: I'm not sure what you think is the difference between "proper name" and "proper noun" - the link you posted above redirects to proper noun anyway, and Wiktionary says they're the same. But in any case, the way we identify whether it is a proper name or not, is to consult reliable sources, and see what they tell us. If the majority of reliable sources show it in sentence case rather than title case, then we conclude that it is not regarded as a proper name. Your comment about reordering the words is interesting, but ultimately irrelevant because that's not how our guidelines say to operate. MOS:CAPS explicitly says that words and phrases that are consistently capitalized in sources are treated as proper names and capitalized in Wikipedia, and the majority of the participants at the move discussion felt that this was not satisfied. Thanks  — Amakuru (talk) 21:32, 14 April 2016 (UTC)

See the second paragraph in the lead of proper name and the details regarding linguistics and various style manuals. "A distinction is normally made in current linguistics between proper nouns and proper names." The second sentence in MOS:CAPS calls for proper names (not just nouns). Groupings of people is a proper name. "People for the Ethical Treatment of Animals" is a proper name, distinct from a proper noun. Members of PETA are quite a smaller subset than the number of people that believe animals should be treated ethically. Similarly, advocates for social justice or even warriors for social justice are not the same as the pejorative use of "Social Justice Warriors." As long as our article makes a disticnction that "Social Justice Warrior" has nothing to do with social justice or is separate from those advocating social justice (and we do because the Social justice page, a common name, doesn't associate with "Social Justice Warrior" except as a battled "See also" statement). --DHeyward (talk) 21:45, 14 April 2016 (UTC)

ORCP

Hello there. I was just wondering if you could comment on WP:ORCP and your subsequent decision to run for adminship. (I don't vote at RfA these days, but I am happy to see that you are doing great.) Best, Anna Frodesiak (talk) 01:22, 15 April 2016 (UTC)

A barnstar for you!

	The Barnstar of Diligence
	Here is my support for your RFA~ Winterysteppe (talk) 19:02, 15 April 2016 (UTC)

Thank you, Winterysteppe, and for your very interesting RfA question. I enjoyed looking back for good things to answer that one.  — Amakuru (talk) 19:58, 15 April 2016 (UTC)

A beer for you!

A toast to your successful RfA! Best of luck to you! RickinBaltimore (talk) 15:42, 19 April 2016 (UTC)

• Thanks RickinBaltimore that looks extremely tasty! I might just go and get a real one of those to celebrate in a bit.  — Amakuru (talk) 16:13, 19 April 2016 (UTC)

Successful RfA

Congratulations, I have just closed your RfA as successful and made you an administrator. Take a look at the Administrators' guide and the administrators' reading list if you haven't read those already. If you have any questions, don't hesitate to get in touch on my talk page. WJBscribe (talk) 15:47, 19 April 2016 (UTC)

• I didn't have time to perform an in-depth analysis before a vote, but congratulations! Jo-Jo Eumerus (talk, contributions) 16:08, 19 April 2016 (UTC)

  @WJBscribe: @Jo-Jo Eumerus: thank you! I feel honoured that the process went so smoothly, and look forward to contributing as an admin.  — Amakuru (talk) 16:12, 19 April 2016 (UTC)

• Congratulations for adminship !! CAPTAIN RAJU ^(✉) 16:29, 19 April 2016 (UTC)

Congrats..The admins' T-shirt for you. CAPTAIN RAJU ^(✉) 16:29, 19 April 2016 (UTC)

Thanks for making my first nomination go to the top of the charts. Congratulations! wbm1058 (talk) 16:42, 19 April 2016 (UTC)

• Congratulations on your successful RFA, Amakuru! You deserved it. --Ches (talk) (contribs) 16:51, 19 April 2016 (UTC)
• I'm happy to see I was too pessimistic about your chances! Congrats, Pichpich (talk) 18:10, 19 April 2016 (UTC)

  @Pichpich: indeed, yourself and IJBall alike. If this was a 6/10 RfA shot, then I wonder what a 10/10 would look like? 1000 supports and a negative number of opposes, perhaps.... But I was as surprised as anyone really, and it means a lot to be given such a resounding approval from everyone who participated. Thanks for your good wishes, anyway. I will tread carefully in the AfD space, and certainly watch and contribute as an ordinary editor a lot before I consider wading in administratively on anything complex.  — Amakuru (talk) 18:27, 19 April 2016 (UTC)

Well, in my defense, you never know who's going to show up to these things... And, congratulations! --IJBall (contribs • talk) 18:48, 19 April 2016 (UTC)

I think this reception sets a good precedent for admin hopefuls who aren't interested in using all the tools for all the things. Fences&Windows 22:08, 19 April 2016 (UTC)

It went swimmingly! Congratulations! Anna Frodesiak (talk) 01:42, 20 April 2016 (UTC)

Congratulations. I am sure you will do well. Donner60 (talk) 02:07, 20 April 2016 (UTC)

Welcome to the club. Feel free to come by my talk page if you have any questions. HighInBC 02:56, 20 April 2016 (UTC)

• Congratulations, Amakuru! Best of luck with the mop; I'm sure you'll do a fine job. Regards, Vanamonde93 (talk) 17:51, 21 April 2016 (UTC)

• Well done and good luck! CMD (talk) 19:12, 21 April 2016 (UTC)

@CAPTAIN RAJU: @Chesnaught555: @IJBall: @Fences and windows: @Donner60: @HighInBC: @Vanamonde93: @Chipmunkdavis: thank you to you all, and I look forward to working with you in the months and years to come, armed with the shiny new buttons!  — Amakuru (talk) 13:55, 25 April 2016 (UTC)

congratulations

Congratulations on your successful RFA! Allow me to impart the words of wisdom I received from the puppy after my RFA passed – almost nine long, sordid, should-have-found-a-better-hobby years ago:

Remember you will always protect the wrong version. (I got nothing here. It's inevitable.) Remember you must always follow the rules, except for when you ignore them. Without exception, you will pick the wrong one to do. (See #5.) Remember to assume good faith and not bite. Remember that when you are applying these principles most diligently, you are probably dealing with a troll. (You'll attract many more of those now, because mop. They must like to drink the dirty water in the bucket.) Use the block ability sparingly. Enjoy the insults you receive when you do block, because really, what else is there to live for? Remember that when you make these errors, someone will be more than happy to point them out to you in dazzling clarity and descriptive terminology. It will not be a personal attack because we are admins and, therefore, we are all rouge anyway. Finally, remember to contact me if you ever need assistance, and I will do what I am able. Katietalk 18:14, 19 April 2016 (UTC)

DISCLAIMER: This humor does not reflect the official humor of Wikipedia, the Wikimedia Foundation, or Jimbo Wales, because if it did, it would be much, much better. All rights released under GFDL.

@KrakatoaKatie: many thanks for the sage advice, and for your support in the RfA. I will certainly come looking for you if I run into any problems! Thanks  — Amakuru (talk) 18:55, 19 April 2016 (UTC)

Congratulations from me too. When you get bored of scrabbling down the back of the sofa for the correct block template, there is some really useful code that some kind person put in my monobook. ϢereSpielChequers 20:39, 19 April 2016 (UTC)

Hello, many congratulations on your successful RFA, I do wish you the best of luck as your new role as Administrator. If you have any questions, don't hesistate to post a message on my talkpage --EurovisionNim (talk to me)(see my edits) 05:08, 20 April 2016 (UTC)

Congratulations are in order! :-D ~Oshwah~^{(talk) (contribs)} 23:42, 21 April 2016 (UTC)

@WereSpielChequers: @EurovisionNim: @Oshwah: many thanks to you guys, and I'll certainly keep your kind offers of assistance in mind as and when I'm having difficulties finding my way around some admin tasks.  — Amakuru (talk) 13:55, 25 April 2016 (UTC)

Great, please do! My talk page is always open to you. ~Oshwah~^{(talk) (contribs)} 19:03, 25 April 2016 (UTC)

A barnstar for you!!

		All-Around Amazing Barnstar
		Congratulations on your successful RFA! Hope you stick around for many more years to come! Peter Sam Fan 14:19, 20 April 2016 (UTC)

Talk:Cameron Lynn

There appears to be a hiccup; for some reason, the talk page wasn't moved along with the article. Feedback 17:42, 20 April 2016 (UTC)

@Feedback:  Done  — Amakuru (talk) 17:46, 20 April 2016 (UTC)

Lydia O. Arefeva

I saw your text on admin page.

Can I get a copy of ths article by email please? It was deleted. Moscowamerican (talk) 09:01, 28 April 2016 (UTC)

@Moscowamerican:  Done  — Amakuru (talk) 09:18, 28 April 2016 (UTC)

You sir, are the best! Thank you! Moscowamerican (talk) 11:20, 28 April 2016 (UTC)

Seriously...?

People aren't allowed to disagree with something here without an admin (of all people) showing up with insulting little barbs like this? (And people wonder why Wikipedia is in decline) Perhaps you'd like to reconsider your comment? I think it was unnecessary. - ^theWOLFchild 10:45, 28 April 2016 (UTC)

@Thewolfchild: It was not meant to be a barb, just an observation on the situation, and I'm sorry if you took it the wrong way. But as I see it, if a move discussion shows a clear consensus, and your opposition has been taken into account, but you rehash the argument over and over, it kind of is just a case of saying "I just don't like it". We know you don't like it, but the consensus at the discussion was the other way, and that's how it goes sometimes. Don't let me stop you taking this to WP:MRV if you want to, but my advice would really be to just step away from this, the WP:JR debate seems to be pretty settled now and the consensus is generally going to go in favour of any move that seeks to removes commas or retains a lack of commas. The fact that the MOS "prefers" this, and there was an RfC that confirmed that, means it's a legitimate reason for such consensus where it exists in a move discussion. That's really all I have to say on the matter, but if you want to take it somewhere else, go ahead. Otherwise, I hope you can move on from this issue and continue the good work in helping to build an encyclopedia. We're all on the same side here! Thanks  — Amakuru (talk) 11:05, 28 April 2016 (UTC)

Just to clear, I have "stepped away" from the comma debate... weeks ago. If the numerous admins that are aware of that train wreck don't give a shit about it, then neither do I. I didn't "take your comment the wrong way"... I took it for exactly what it was, along with your repeat of it here. This isn't about me "not liking it", this is about me asking that the guidelines and policies of this project be followed by the very people entrusted with the tools to enforce them. This isn't about the comma, (though that was at the root of it), this is about an improper page move and an equally improper RM close. There was no consensus to support any of these page moves, nor the rewriting of MOS:JR, but that's all besides the point. For this particular page, I don't see a consensus supporting the current title and even if there was one, I think it would be moot. WP:MOS is clear; Where more than one style is acceptable under the Manual of Style, editors should not change an article from one of those styles to another without a good reason. Edit warring over optional styles is unacceptable. If discussion cannot determine which style to use in an article, defer to the style used by the first major contributor. It's in the very lead of that page, which happens to denote the core editing guidelines of this project. Asking that editors (and admins) abide by them is not "WP:IDLI", (or WP:BATTLE, or WP:WIN or the numerous other blue-link-essays being bandied about). The page move was not supported by guidelines or consensus, but moving it back is clearly supported by the guideline. Seems pretty straightforward.

Anyway, I'm not going to have this discussion again on multiple pages. If you don't want to address your offending comment, then so be it. You go way and I'll go mine. Have a nice day. - ^theWOLFchild 11:32, 28 April 2016 (UTC)

Alright, I've withdrawn the comment. Clearly we don't agree about that debate and whether the close was correct, but no point going on and on about it. All the best to you, Thewolfchild.  — Amakuru (talk) 12:19, 28 April 2016 (UTC)

And to you as well. - ^theWOLFchild 12:23, 28 April 2016 (UTC)

Jerome Spence

Hi, I noticed you declined the speedy on Jerome Spence because he had coverage in PR Newswire? I think PR Newswire is just an organ for companies to circulate press releases, not an independent journalistic outlet in itself. Would you still like me to take it to AFD? Intelligentsium 11:38, 28 April 2016 (UTC)

@Intelligentsium: ah, no, that's OK - I didn't realise that's what PR NewsWire was - it looked like a genuine journal! But now I see the "article" was submitted by peermusic themselves. I've gone ahead and deleted it. Thanks for bringing this to my attention.  — Amakuru (talk) 12:05, 28 April 2016 (UTC)

No problem, thanks! Intelligentsium 12:12, 28 April 2016 (UTC)

Excuse me?

You had better have a damn fucking good explanation for this. Resolute 22:21, 3 May 2016 (UTC)

Resolute: I'm willing to bet that your second thought, that it was an accident, is correct. We've all done that or something similar.--Cúchullain ^t/c 01:06, 4 May 2016 (UTC)

@Resolute: crap. I apologise. I've only now seen that this happened, I didn't know I'd done it. The problem must have been because I was viewing my watchlist on the tiny screen of my phone, and the rollback links are right there prominently, just waiting for an accidental fat finger. I will make sure I'm much more careful in future. Thanks  — Amakuru (talk) 08:33, 4 May 2016 (UTC)

Those rollback links are all too easy to hit on a touchscreen. Thankfully we have WP:AGF to protect ourselves from jumping to conclusions. HighInBC 13:07, 4 May 2016 (UTC)

Thanks. Sorry about being rather harsh with my initial reaction there. I long ago learned to check my watchlist before leaving for just this scenario, so when I saw the revert-then-disappear thing, I initially felt it was an overreaction on your part. Which, naturally, led to an overreaction on mine. Cheers! Resolute 14:12, 4 May 2016 (UTC)

He he, not problem. That's a good idea on checking the watchlist before checking out. Thanks  — Amakuru (talk) 14:13, 4 May 2016 (UTC)

Move request not done and removed

Hello,

In this diff, you removed a move request I had just posted, without doing it, with edit comment "done four; section empty". What happened? Place Clichy (talk) 17:42, 4 May 2016 (UTC)

@Place Clichy: apologies, that was an accident. Your entry came in between me deleting the four previous entries and blanking the section, and I didn't notice a fifth had come in. I will be much more careful with this in future. WP:TROUT to self. It looks like your move has been done now, so assuming all is OK now. Thanks  — Amakuru (talk) 08:38, 5 May 2016 (UTC)