Template:Did you know nominations/Vier ernste Gesänge

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The result was: promoted by Crisco 1492 (talk) 14:12, 2 May 2012 (UTC)

Vier ernste Gesänge

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... that Johannes Brahms composed two works related to death on texts from the Luther Bible, as a young man Ein deutsches Requiem, close to his death Vier ernste Gesänge?

Created/expanded by Gerda Arendt (talk). Self nom at 21:48, 22 April 2012 (UTC)

reviewed: Helen Jonas-Rosenzweig --Gerda Arendt (talk) 05:40, 23 April 2012 (UTC)

Article reads well and is well-sourced. No issues with DYK eligibility. However, the hook is a little awkward and long; suggest alternative:

Alt: ... that Johannes Brahms twice composed works related to death, once as a young man (Ein deutsches Requiem), and then Vier ernste Gesänge, when close to his own death?

Thanks for the review. The ALT doesn't work so well, he composed MANY more works related to death than those two (there is this joke that when Brahms got funny he'd compose "The grave is my joy" - Das Grab ist meine Freude), and we lose the Luther Bible which seems essential (to me) because his Requiem is different from the "normal" Latin Requiem because of its text - which my not be known so well. Improvement welcome, --Gerda Arendt (talk) 23:18, 24 April 2012 (UTC)

I thought that might be a problem, but then I got distracted and forgot to work on another version fitting the Luther element in again. How about we remove the reference to the first work? I think left in it just feels like we're trying to cram way too much into the hook. How about the following. I prefer Alt2. Julia\^talk 06:53, 25 April 2012 (UTC)

Alt2: ... that near to his death, Johannes Brahms composed Vier ernste Gesänge, his second work about death to be based on texts from the Luther Bible?
Alt3: ... that the Luther Bible inspired two of Johannes Brahms's compositions about death; once as a young man, and then Vier ernste Gesänge, when close to his own death?

As much as I like the idea, I would like to mention the (well known) Requiem, also think it's kind of quirky (and not so well known) that he composed THAT when he was young. Also I like to see the composer active, not the Bible (I would not know how to pronounce "Brahms's", however correct).

ALT4: ... that Johannes Brahms composed two major works about death inspired by the Luther Bible, his Requiem as a young man, and Vier ernste Gesänge, when close to his own death? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 07:34, 25 April 2012 (UTC)

Yeah, that's good. Sorry to be so useless with the suggestions before! Julia\^talk 17:52, 25 April 2012 (UTC)

What you call useless I call helpful ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 18:48, 25 April 2012 (UTC)