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The result was: promoted by Cwmhiraeth (talk) 05:43, 15 July 2015 (UTC)
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Nipple tattoo
edit- ... that since 2011 the Royal Derby Hospital has offered titoos to breast surgery patients?
Created by Launchballer (talk). Self-nominated at 23:04, 30 May 2015 (UTC).
I think there are too many problems with this one. The article is new enough, having been created on 30 May, but is only just long enough at 1,500 characters of prose by my count, and with copyediting could drop below that. Half the article is unsourced - I don't mind leads being unsourced if they summarise things in the body, but this one doesn't. Also, the hook doesn't make it clear that the source is describing finishing surgery from breast cancer patients, which I think it should. Ritchie333 (talk) (cont) 16:03, 1 June 2015 (UTC)
- Sorry, only just seen this. Surely a solution would be to find bits in the lede that aren't sourced, and then repeat them in the article sourced? That said, which bits aren't sourced? I made a concerted effort to make sure all of it was.
- ALT1: ... that since 2011 the Royal Derby Hospital has offered titoos as finishing surgery for breast cancer?--Launchballer 09:28, 11 June 2015 (UTC)
- Not convinced. This article is not only an orphan but it is in no categories. I went to fix the orphan problem and then I think I worked out why. This is a neologism .... the main source doesn't use this word and google searchs of "tattoo" and "titoo" produce very few results. I think its going to be a while before we see "This way to the titoo clinic" inside Derby hospital. Can you supply some reliable sources or withdraw this nom? Victuallers (talk) 13:35, 5 July 2015 (UTC)
- Try "nipple tattoo" given that that is basically what it is. Added links from other articles and categories, removed Manchestereveningnews.com (or whatever it was called), added some books. Not including the books, the sources are The Guardian, the BBC, The Daily Telegraph, Royal Derby Hospital and a Channel 4 documentary. Can you tell me which ones, if any, of those sources are unreliable?--Launchballer 00:30, 6 July 2015 (UTC)
- Please call for another reviewer if you object or re-read the points above. The issue is over whether there are reliable sources that use the term "titoo". The BBC is a reliable source and it may have used the word nipple and tattoo ....... but how many times has it used the word titoo. The article you cite is precisely about this subject and they do not use this neologism? Change the name of the article please or supply a source. Thanks Victuallers (talk) 19:55, 7 July 2015 (UTC)
- Agree with Victuallers. The two online sources cited in the article that used anything like the word, so far as I could see, called it "tittoo" rather than "titoo" and only used it in quotes—and the BBC referred to the Telegraph's usage, but not as if they approved of it. This is a neologism, has not been used outside of quotes that I can see, and the hook usage is not supported by the hospital in question. BlueMoonset (talk) 22:15, 7 July 2015 (UTC)
- Oops, misunderstood the statement. I've moved it over. "Titoo" was the spelling given by the subtitles for the 4seven program I'd sourced, which was more than good enough for me.--Launchballer 00:52, 8 July 2015 (UTC)
- ALT1: ... that since 2011 the Royal Derby Hospital has offered nipple tattoos to breast surgery patients?--Launchballer 09:08, 8 July 2015 (UTC)
- ALT2:
... that some Royal Derby Hospital patients are offered nipple tattoos?- Could you please read the comments made... including your own! Titoo is spelt usually Tittoo (see above) and the article notes that this is used occasionally.... and then the article spells it wrong (see above) and uses the term frequently. One of your refs says "women to darken, enlarge and define their nipples and the surrounding areola" and your article says almost exactly the same. What would be wrong with (say) "breasts can be tattoed so that the colour and shape of the nipples and the areola appear bigger, more deeply coloured, more shapely or with better definition". I have also offered a simpler and more intriguing? hook. Victuallers (talk) 15:56, 8 July 2015 (UTC)
- I've changed the spelling but I stand by the fact that I think "titoo" is the correct spelling - 15,200 results for "titoo tattoo" (putting "titoo" into Google would include results for Titoo MBA) versus 3,400 results for "tittoo tattoo". I've introduced the suggested sentence.--Launchballer 18:08, 8 July 2015 (UTC)
- Could you please read the comments made... including your own! Titoo is spelt usually Tittoo (see above) and the article notes that this is used occasionally.... and then the article spells it wrong (see above) and uses the term frequently. One of your refs says "women to darken, enlarge and define their nipples and the surrounding areola" and your article says almost exactly the same. What would be wrong with (say) "breasts can be tattoed so that the colour and shape of the nipples and the areola appear bigger, more deeply coloured, more shapely or with better definition". I have also offered a simpler and more intriguing? hook. Victuallers (talk) 15:56, 8 July 2015 (UTC)
- Oops, misunderstood the statement. I've moved it over. "Titoo" was the spelling given by the subtitles for the 4seven program I'd sourced, which was more than good enough for me.--Launchballer 00:52, 8 July 2015 (UTC)
- Agree with Victuallers. The two online sources cited in the article that used anything like the word, so far as I could see, called it "tittoo" rather than "titoo" and only used it in quotes—and the BBC referred to the Telegraph's usage, but not as if they approved of it. This is a neologism, has not been used outside of quotes that I can see, and the hook usage is not supported by the hospital in question. BlueMoonset (talk) 22:15, 7 July 2015 (UTC)
Thanks for making those changes, however I am finding this review quite time consuming and I suspect there are still issues to handle. I'm going to step aside and let another have a go. Good luck. Do feel free to revert my changes if that helps you. Victuallers (talk) 19:44, 8 July 2015 (UTC)
@Launchballer: I'll pick this up. Date and length fine. The hooks are referenced, Would personally prefer the original or alt1 because alt 2 is too vague. However I think just a few minor changes need to be done before I can pass this. The sentence that says Britons go to America for these needs a source. And there appears to be a coding error in ref 1. If you can sort these, I'll try to review it later this evening. The C of E God Save the Queen! (talk) 09:01, 13 July 2015 (UTC)
- Fixed both. I could've sworn blind there was a reference to the BBC at one point?--Launchballer 11:22, 13 July 2015 (UTC)
Good to go then. The C of E God Save the Queen! (talk) 21:26, 13 July 2015 (UTC)
- Fixed both. I could've sworn blind there was a reference to the BBC at one point?--Launchballer 11:22, 13 July 2015 (UTC)
