Template:Did you know nominations/Timeline of Cluj-Napoca

The following is an archived discussion of the DYK nomination of the article below. Please do not modify this page. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as this nomination's talk page, the article's talk page or Wikipedia talk:Did you know), unless there is consensus to re-open the discussion at this page. No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was: rejected by BlueMoonset (talk) 15:07, 27 January 2019 (UTC)
Hook references have not been supplied after a month and a half; closing after the requested additional week ended ten days ago.

Timeline of Cluj-Napoca

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1617 engraving of Cluj/Kolozsvár/Klausenburg by Joris Hoefnagel.

... that throughout its long timeline the city of Cluj-Napoca was part of many empires and kingdoms, including Roman Empire, Hungarian Kingdom, Habsburg Monarchy, Austria-Hungary and Kingdom of Romania ...? Source: "MacKendrick, Paul Lachlan (2000). The Dacian Stones Speak. Routledge Monographs in Classical Studies (illustrated, reprint ed.). Chapel Hill: University of North Carolina Press."; Source: "Lukács, József (2005). Povestea "oraşului-comoară": scurtă istorie a Clujului şi a monumentelor sale [The story of the "treasure-city": a short history of Cluj and its monuments] (in Romanian). Levente Várdai. Cluj-Napoca: Apostrof. ISBN 978-973-9279-74-1. "
- ALT1: ... that throughout its long history, the city of Cluj-Napoca was part of many empires and kingdoms, including the Roman Empire, the Hungarian Kingdom, the Habsburg Monarchy, Austria-Hungary and the Kingdom of Romania ...? Source: "MacKendrick, Paul Lachlan (2000). The Dacian Stones Speak. Routledge Monographs in Classical Studies (illustrated, reprint ed.). Chapel Hill: University of North Carolina Press."; Source: "Lukács, József (2005). Povestea "oraşului-comoară": scurtă istorie a Clujului şi a monumentelor sale [The story of the "treasure-city": a short history of Cluj and its monuments] (in Romanian). Levente Várdai. Cluj-Napoca: Apostrof. ISBN 978-973-9279-74-1. "

5x expanded by Codrinb (talk). Self-nominated at 20:00, 12 September 2018 (UTC).

Not eligible. List articles must have at least 1,500 characters of readable prose in order to qualify for DYK. Catrìona (talk) 05:44, 16 September 2018 (UTC)

This appears to be only the nominator's fifth nomination, and given that the article itself is long (the problem is that the content is presented as a list while DYK's length requirement only applies to prose), this could still work as a hook. @Codrinb: I would suggest you expand the lede section to be a summary of the whole article, ensuring that it is at least 1,500 characters. Once this is done, this can become DYK eligible. Narutolovehinata5 ^tccsdnew 05:00, 21 September 2018 (UTC)

Hi all. Thank you for the feedback. I put a lot of work into this article and I will be happy to make anything that is necessary to make it eligible. Thank you for giving me a chance, @Narutolovehinata5:. The main reason for not expanding the lead more is to keep it "in sync" and consistent with all the other articles in Category:Timelines of cities in Europe. If you look at Timeline of London or Timeline of Frankfurt, they have a similar lead. If you think that I should deviate from this, in order to achieve DYK, I will do it. I will also ping @M2545: and other users involved with such lists, perhaps there are other examples of DYK or longer leads. Thanks! Codrin.B (talk) 10:32, 23 September 2018 (UTC)

Hi again, I have added a new lead as requested. Please let me know if this works. Thanks. Codrin.B (talk) 12:38, 23 September 2018 (UTC)

To try and help push the DYK along I have edited the article's lead. It is now at 1,623 characters. I hope that helps! --El on ka 22:47, 25 November 2018 (UTC)

General: Article is new enough and long enough
New enough: Long enough:

Policy: Article is sourced, neutral, and free of copyright problems
Adequate sourcing: Neutral: Free of copyright violations, plagiarism, and close paraphrasing:

Hook eligibility:

Cited: - Offline/paywalled citation accepted in good faith
Interesting:
Other problems: - The grammar in the hook is weird. Roman Empire needs a definite article, as do some of the others.

Image eligibility:

Freely licensed:
Used in article:
Clear at 100px: - Not sufficiently clear

QPQ: None required.

Overall: ~~Is this one of your first five DYK noms?~~ Catrìona (talk) 06:40, 24 September 2018 (UTC)

@Catrìona: This is the nominator's fifth nomination so no QPQ is necessary yet; however, their next DYK and beyond will require a QPQ. Narutolovehinata5 ^tccsdnew 07:30, 24 September 2018 (UTC)

Thanks for the feedback. What is QPQ? ;-) How about this text and new image:

... that throughout its long timeline, the city of Cluj-Napoca was part of many empires and kingdoms, including the Roman Empire, the Hungarian Kingdom, the Habsburg Monarchy, Austria-Hungary and the Kingdom of Romania ...? Source: "MacKendrick, Paul Lachlan (2000). The Dacian Stones Speak. Routledge Monographs in Classical Studies (illustrated, reprint ed.). Chapel Hill: University of North Carolina Press."; Source: "Lukács, József (2005). Povestea "oraşului-comoară": scurtă istorie a Clujului şi a monumentelor sale [The story of the "treasure-city": a short history of Cluj and its monuments] (in Romanian). Levente Várdai. Cluj-Napoca: Apostrof. ISBN 978-973-9279-74-1. " Codrin.B (talk) 12:19, 26 September 2018 (UTC)

Codrin.B: I would accept that if the caption were significantly shorter. 8 lines is too many. Catrìona (talk) 04:19, 29 September 2018 (UTC)

Hi @Catrìona:. I removed less important aspects from the lead and kept the core ideas. The lead is now around 1800 characters. I hope this is acceptable. Thanks.Codrin.B (talk) 06:25, 30 September 2018 (UTC)

Ah, you were talking about the image caption... I never intended it to be so long. I just added the image previously with the caption I used elsewhere. To goal was to check if this image is better. I trimmed down the caption as well now. Codrin.B (talk) 06:30, 30 September 2018 (UTC)

I recommend the wording "throughout its long history" rather than "throughout its long timeline". Catrìona (talk) 06:34, 30 September 2018 (UTC)

The reason I used "timeline" is to differentiate from the History of Cluj-Napoca article, which I might also work on to get it to a DYK, and also to be inline with the article title: "Timeline of Cluj-Napoca". But certainly "history" sounds better. I am fine if it has to be changed for the DYK. Thanks. Codrin.B (talk) 10:04, 30 September 2018 (UTC)

I'm a little concerned at the amount of unsourced content here. An entry about Hadrian becoming Emperor may not need a source, but an entry about a redlinked individual such as Flavius Italicus does, I'm afraid. Vanamonde (talk) 23:02, 15 October 2018 (UTC)

Actually all governors of province Dacia come out of the List of Roman governors of Dacia Traiana which in turn uses this reference: Petolescu, Constantin C. (2014). Dacia: un mileniu de istorie [Dacia: a millennium of history] (in Romanian). Bucharest: Editura Academiei Române. ISBN 978-973-27-2450-7.. I expected that this could be an issue so I started to add individual references for each governor. Thanks for bringing it up. Codrin.B (talk) 22:26, 23 October 2018 (UTC)

@Vanamonde93:, @Catrìona:, @Narutolovehinata5: - I finalized adding references to all legates, procurators and other leaders from 2nd and 3rd century. From my perspective, while it could be further improved, the article is quite well sourced for all the centuries and from a wide variety of sources. Please let me know if there is anything else I can do to make this better and get it approved. Thanks. Codrin.B (talk) 22:09, 6 November 2018 (UTC)

It's been over two weeks without any of the previous reviewers returning; a new reviewer would be welcome. Many thanks. BlueMoonset (talk) 15:24, 24 November 2018 (UTC)

- Length, Date, Earwigs, and QPQ exempt check. However while the article has many more citations (thank you Codrin.B for your work here) some of the facts in the hook regretfully do not have cites - for example the city being included in the Treaty of Karlowitz (Hapsburg), being part of Austria-Hungary, and the Hungarian Kingdom. Once those are added/clarified, we should be good to go. Best, Mifter (talk) 23:33, 2 December 2018 (UTC)

Ok, thanks @Mifter:. I will work on those references as well.Codrin.B (talk) 14:33, 12 December 2018 (UTC)

The nominator has not edited since December 12 (i.e. their comment above). @Codrinb: If you are unable to return to this nomination within a week, this will be marked for closure as stale. Narutolovehinata5 ^tccsdnew 10:40, 3 January 2019 (UTC)

Hi, just saw this. If you could give me one more week, I will add the additional references. Thanks. Codrin.B (talk) 17:39, 10 January 2019 (UTC)

This article is rather "a timeline of the region surrounding present-day Cluj-Napoca" or "a timeline of Dacia Porolissensis", and not the timeline of the city of Cluj-Napoca (which was founded in the 12th century). The article either should be renamed to reflect its contents, or reverted to an earlier version which actually concerned the city itself. Whitepixels (talk) 08:14, 11 January 2019 (UTC)
- Probably shouldn't be marked for closure just yet, the nominator has promised to address concerns, and the reasons for thhe above comment aren't insurmountable. Narutolovehinata5 ^tccsdnew 15:23, 11 January 2019 (UTC)
@Codrinb: This is your final ping; if there is still no response by next week, the nomination will be closed as stale. Narutolovehinata5 ^tccsdnew 00:43, 19 January 2019 (UTC)
Nominator has not edited since earlier this month, and hasn't been able to respond. As it appears that this nomination does not appear to be moving anytime soon, it is now regretfully marked for closure. Narutolovehinata5 ^tccsdnew 04:04, 26 January 2019 (UTC)

Sorry about this. Difficult period for me in terms of time... I will work on this later..Codrin.B (talk) 21:17, 29 January 2019 (UTC)