Template:Did you know nominations/Oxytocin (song)

The following is an archived discussion of the DYK nomination of the article below. Please do not modify this page. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as this nomination's talk page, the article's talk page or Wikipedia talk:Did you know), unless there is consensus to re-open the discussion at this page. No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was: promoted by Theleekycauldron (talk) 22:54, 5 October 2021 (UTC)

Oxytocin (song)

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~~... that "Oxytocin" was named after the hormone of the same name?~~ Source: Billie Eilish Just Released Her Sexiest Song Yet—& It's Named After This Love Hormone
- ALT1:... that Billie Eilish named a song after oxytocin?
- ALT2:... that "Oxytocin" was recorded just to "be insane live"? Source: Billie Eilish Just Released Her Sexiest Song Yet—& It's Named After This Love Hormone

Created by LivelyRatification (talk) and Infsai (talk). Nominated by Infsai (talk) at 03:08, 19 August 2021 (UTC).

Note: the nomination was not transcluded when nomination; the transclusion took place today. On September 7, the article became a Good Article. BlueMoonset (talk) 20:58, 14 September 2021 (UTC)

Review by Tbhotch

General eligibility:

New enough:
Long enough:
Other problems:

Policy compliance:

Adequate sourcing:
Neutral:
Free of copyright violations, plagiarism, and close paraphrasing:
Other problems:

Hook eligibility:

Cited:
Interesting:
Other problems:

QPQ: Done.

Overall: As far as I could see, in source 4 (It was the last track created for Happier Than Ever, being recorded on February 16, 2021 in Finneas' basement studio, replacing "What I Wanna Hear?" on the album's final track listing), the post merely says that Eilish excluded What I Wanna Hear? and Born Blue from the final cut. (The older posts didn't load on my cellphone, but they load on my computer). The personnel section is unsourced, and yes, I read the reason you gave to leave it unsourced. However, there is no guarantee this won't be vandalized in the future. Recent patrollers rarely revert self-additions or similar subtle vandalism. Accessible sources allow anyone to verify the given information. (CC) Tbhotch^™ 01:14, 15 September 2021 (UTC)

@BlueMoonset: @Infsai: courtesy ping. (CC) Tbhotch^™ 23:50, 19 September 2021 (UTC)

@Tbhotch: I'm sorry, I guess I'm not good enough in combining something catchy, however I provided yet one alternative. About "Personnel" section - I'm just following the words of someone who seem to know about Wikipedia more than I do. infsai (talkie? UwU) 18:24, 20 September 2021 (UTC)

@Infsai: For example:

"Eilish talked about inspiration for the track, saying that "[t]here was flashing in [her] head", adding that she had sex images in her mind during the recording".
"She also mentioned that while performing the song, she thinks about sex".
"She mentioned how she wanted to write something that would be "insane live" and felt "crazy" during the track's recording."

Or what reviewers said:

"Emma Holbrook of The Forty-Five called the song's chorus one of the darkest lyrics on the album"
"Eilish officially enters her femme fatale era"

Or something else, the thing is you would need to adapt them into interesting neutral hooks.

As I see that one of my proposals is your newest hook, I would approve ALT2 as it is the most interesting option. I replaced the word "sound" with "be" as it is what she said. If you have other proposals, you can add them, but before this page gets archived. The article is still within policy. (CC) Tbhotch^™ 19:30, 20 September 2021 (UTC)

I've fixed a quotation in the lede, and also added a "citation needed" template to the lede since all quotes, even if in the lede, need to be cited there. That will need to be fixed before this hits the main page. Also, since ALT2 uses "be insane live", a quote from Eilish, it has to incorporate quote marks in the hook if it's going to be approved and used, otherwise it's considered plagiarism. (I do wonder about the "just to" part of the hook, which isn't really in the source.) BlueMoonset (talk) 03:35, 21 September 2021 (UTC)

@BlueMoonset: I guess I fixed all of the things you mentioned. I was not aware that when they are quotes inside of the lede there must be citation there too, I thought that since it is featured later in the article it is ok. Thank you for telling me about this! infsai (talkie? UwU) 18:17, 21 September 2021 (UTC)

@BlueMoonset? theleekycauldron (talk • contribs) (they/them) 20:09, 27 September 2021 (UTC)

theleekycauldron, Infsai, the citations have been addressed; I don't see any explanation of where "just to" in ALT2 comes from in the article (and which source it comes from). BlueMoonset (talk) 23:01, 27 September 2021 (UTC)

Eilish said: "the song that's purposefully gonna be insane live". Isn't that the cultured way to say it is a song deliberately/specifically/just created to sound insane live? (CC) Tbhotch^™ 00:10, 28 September 2021 (UTC)

@BlueMoonset: @Tbhotch: If I am getting it right, you want to change "just" to "purposefully", yes? infsai (talkie? UwU) 19:36, 28 September 2021 (UTC)

Infsai, my objection to "just" is that I don't make that same equivalence that Tbhotch does: I pegged it more as "merely" or perhaps "only"—it feels dismissive. Basing a word off "purposefully" (which itself is kind of boring) is, I think, a better idea. I've also done some editing of the article so it more closely represents the information in the source. My suggestion instead of ALT2 (which I've struck):

ALT2a:... that "Oxytocin" was recorded expressly to "be insane live"?

I ultimately preferred "expressly" to "deliberately" or "specifically", though the latter could be used. Tbhotch, if you (and Infsai) are okay with ALT2a, please give it a tick; I think we're there. —BlueMoonset (talk) 03:44, 29 September 2021 (UTC)

I'm OK with that, but it should be reflected as well in the article. (CC) Tbhotch^™ 03:46, 29 September 2021 (UTC)

Tbhotch, I thought my edit at 03:36 to the "Writing and recording" section did just that (it even added the word "expressly"). Please let me know what more you think is needed, and I'll do my best to supply it. Thanks. BlueMoonset (talk) 04:46, 29 September 2021 (UTC)

@BlueMoonset: Yes, I'm ok with your change. English is not my first language, so that's why I used "just", because i thought it could describe "purposefully", sorry about that. infsai (talkie? UwU) 07:55, 29 September 2021 (UTC)

@BlueMoonset: @Tbhotch: So, what now? infsai (talkie? UwU) 21:16, 3 October 2021 (UTC)

A monitor will eventually close this and move it to the preps. (CC) Tbhotch^™ 21:19, 3 October 2021 (UTC)

Tbhotch, your prior tick icon was superseded above by the query icon in my comment of 21 September. If you want to approve ALT2a, then you need to do so explicitly with a tick and comment, preferably below this comment. Until that happens, no one is going to promote this nomination to prep. It's up to you now. Thanks. BlueMoonset (talk) 03:53, 5 October 2021 (UTC)

ALT2a. Friendly reminder that Wikipedia is not a bureaucracy. (CC) Tbhotch^™ 17:44, 5 October 2021 (UTC)

ALT2a to T:DYK/P6