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The result was: promoted by Allen3 talk 20:05, 19 September 2012 (UTC)
Konrad Hubert
edit... that in 1724, the Lutheran composer Bach based a chorale cantata on a 1540 hymn by the Reformed theologian Konrad Hubert?
- Reviewed: Ben Burns
Created/expanded by Dr. Blofeld (talk), Gerda Arendt (talk). Nominated by Gerda Arendt (talk) at 22:26, 2 September 2012 (UTC)
The article is short, but more significantly contains no comprehensive info about Bach's use of this hymn (just a sentence). Additionally, the article, Allein zu dir, Herr Jesu Christ, BWV 33, includes the detail that Bach added X number of stanzas to the hymn (citing exactly the same source employed in the nominated article). Therefore, it should also be covered in the article nominated and maybe in the hook. Refs are reliable, but should be enriched.Egeymi (talk) 08:40, 6 September 2012 (UTC)
- (ec) The hook was the fact why the article on the poet was created, but I will find a different hook, patience please. Sorry, I will not find better sources but it's wikisource as you will have noticed. - If an article claims that Bach added to his hymn, that would be wrong, the fourth stanza was added already in 1540. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 08:48, 6 September 2012 (UTC)
- You are right in regard to the addition. Yes, it is a WP article but you may use the refs included in order to improve the article nominated. Thanks,Egeymi (talk) 11:34, 6 September 2012 (UTC)
- (ec) back with more time: the article could copy what is said in the cantata's article, but I think it would be meaningless to the article of the hymn writer who was dead for more than a century when this happened. There's a link. - I find it good to know - and actually was surprised - that Bach based a cantata on the hymn of a Reformed theologian, being Lutheran himself, and then of someone who had treated badly by Lutherans (but Bach probably didn't know that). New suggestion, - please help to word that Bucer was a great theologian with a bad handwriting:
- ALT1: ... that the Reformed theologian Konrad Hubert assisted for 18 years Martin Bucer (pictured) at St. Thomas, Strasbourg, making Bucer's ideas and concepts readable? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 11:57, 6 September 2012 (UTC)
- Thank you for offering two more sources on my talk. When I wanted to open the first I got a security warning. The second is god and scientific, but: I deal with Bach's cantatas, their poets are side issues for me, this is the one for last Sunday's cantata, I have not done enough for next Sunday's cantata itself, in short: I have no more time for "him". What do you think of adding and be a co-author on this? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 06:10, 7 September 2012 (UTC)
- Where does this stand right now? Does it need a new reviewer? Is the idea to skip the original hook and concentrate on ALT1? Thanks. BlueMoonset (talk) 02:49, 17 September 2012 (UTC)
if the first reviewer doesn't return, yes it needs another reviewer (I dropped the cantata, too long ago), --Gerda Arendt (talk) 05:15, 17 September 2012 (UTC)
- The article's length, date and sources check out. The hook (ALT1) has an inline citation and is included in the article, AGF on foreign language source. But one little factoid of the hook has no source (namely, that he was a Reformed theologian). I understand that it can be easily deduced from the rest of the hook/article, but it would be better to have one next to it in the lead. Other than that, it should be good to go. Yazan (talk) 05:21, 19 September 2012 (UTC)
- I looked at his teacher: he had a position in the Reformed Church in Basel from 1529, says his article, without a source. I will keep looking. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 05:30, 19 September 2012 (UTC)
- I don't find anything else easily and have other work ;) - also the two groups Reformed vs Lutheran were not clearly defined when he was young, so perhaps:
- ALT2: ... that the reformer Konrad Hubert assisted for 18 years Martin Bucer (pictured) at St. Thomas, Strasbourg, making Bucer's ideas and concepts readable? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 05:41, 19 September 2012 (UTC)
