Template:Did you know nominations/June (2021 film)
- The following is an archived discussion of the DYK nomination of the article below. Please do not modify this page. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as this nomination's talk page, the article's talk page or Wikipedia talk:Did you know), unless there is consensus to re-open the discussion at this page. No further edits should be made to this page.
The result was: promoted by SL93 (talk) 21:56, 28 November 2022 (UTC)
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June (2021 film)
... that Marathi film June was Bollywood playback singer Shalmali Kholgade's debut as music composer?Source: https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/entertainment/marathi/music/shalmali-kholgade-to-make-her-debut-as-a-music-composer/articleshow/72305851.cms- Reviewed:
Moved to mainspace by Dharmadhyaksha (talk). Self-nominated at 09:38, 20 September 2022 (UTC).
While the article meets DYK requirements and a QPQ has been provided, I have reservations about the hook as currently written. The hook seems to be reliant on being familiar with Kholgade. If the reader doesn't know who she is, they won't understand the importance of the hook fact. In addition, the article doesn't even mention her being a playback singer, just that she's a singer. Maybe you have some alternative suggestions for a hook? Maybe something about her being a Bollywood singer but composing for a Marathi film? Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 16:26, 22 September 2022 (UTC)
- @Narutolovehinata5: Thanks for review. I have made changes in the article about Kholgade. §§Dharmadhyaksha§§ {Talk / Edits} 06:24, 23 September 2022 (UTC)
- @Narutolovehinata5: While i was also working on another article, I can also propose a hook mixing both articles. That hook would be as below AltA:
*Alt A: ... that Sai Tamhankar and Neha Pendse jointly received the Best Actress Filmfare Marathi Awards for the films Dhurala and June respectively?
- If such mixing is possible to propose now, then i will speed up and do next QPQ also. §§Dharmadhyaksha§§ {Talk / Edits} 05:37, 3 October 2022 (UTC)
- I'll be honest, I'm not a fan of either hook. I don't either hook is interesting to those unfamiliar with the actors involved. I'd suggest proposing a hook whose interest isn't reliant on being familiar with Bollywood. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 07:11, 3 October 2022 (UTC)
Not everyone is going to be knowledgeable/familiar/interested about every subject. Lets have another reviewer then. §§Dharmadhyaksha§§ {Talk / Edits} 09:05, 3 October 2022 (UTC)
- I'll be honest, I'm not a fan of either hook. I don't either hook is interesting to those unfamiliar with the actors involved. I'd suggest proposing a hook whose interest isn't reliant on being familiar with Bollywood. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 07:11, 3 October 2022 (UTC)
- @Narutolovehinata5: While i was also working on another article, I can also propose a hook mixing both articles. That hook would be as below AltA:
- @Narutolovehinata5: Thanks for review. I have made changes in the article about Kholgade. §§Dharmadhyaksha§§ {Talk / Edits} 06:24, 23 September 2022 (UTC)
- I am adding another article to the hook now. QPQ will be done shortly. §§Dharmadhyaksha§§ {Talk / Edits} 11:32, 3 October 2022 (UTC)
- Alt 1: ... that Sai Tamhankar and Neha Pendse jointly received the Best Actress Filmfare Marathi Awards for the films Dhurala and June respectively? Source: Times of India Quote: Best Actor in a Leading Role (Female): Sai Tamhankar - Dhurala and Nehha Pendse -June.
- The second added page, Dhurala, looks good at first blush. My main concern is that the struck ALT0, ALT-A, and ALT1 (dual) depend on having some knowledge of the linked terms. As someone who is not from India (and can't read Marathi script), I'm lost. I imagine many non-Indian readers would feel the same way. I'm sympathetic to the fact that India is massive and we have many readers and editors there, but I can't imagine many non-Indian readers having their curiosity piqued. Sammi Brie (she/her • t • c) 06:40, 6 October 2022 (UTC)
- I dont get it! Are we supposed to write only for Western world then? And we haven't used any Marathi script in the article. The article is in English. §§Dharmadhyaksha§§ {Talk / Edits} 09:32, 6 October 2022 (UTC)
- The point is, Dharmadhyaksha, that a hook that depends on people knowing names merely mentioned (and often bluelinked) is one that will not do well. That would be the case if the topic were German classical music, Mexican politicians, or what have you. If what's interesting about topic Y is its relation to person X, and I don't know anything about person X, then topic Y doesn't come off as very interesting. Sammi Brie (she/her • t • c) 01:40, 7 October 2022 (UTC)
- I dunno, Sammi Brie, I think we might disagree as to the rationale here. ALT1's linked objects seem pretty clear at first glance; the first two are actors, the next is an Oscar-like film awards organization, the bolded articles are films. The reason the hook strikes me as rather dull is simply because it has only interestingness, no hookiness; no reason for the reader to click through. Change the actors to American superstars and the films to recent blockbusters, and I'd still say that this hook falls rather flat. Maybe there's a way to play these two films off of each other? theleekycauldron (talk • contribs) (she/her) 21:57, 11 October 2022 (UTC)
- The point is, Dharmadhyaksha, that a hook that depends on people knowing names merely mentioned (and often bluelinked) is one that will not do well. That would be the case if the topic were German classical music, Mexican politicians, or what have you. If what's interesting about topic Y is its relation to person X, and I don't know anything about person X, then topic Y doesn't come off as very interesting. Sammi Brie (she/her • t • c) 01:40, 7 October 2022 (UTC)
- I dont get it! Are we supposed to write only for Western world then? And we haven't used any Marathi script in the article. The article is in English. §§Dharmadhyaksha§§ {Talk / Edits} 09:32, 6 October 2022 (UTC)
- @Dharmadhyaksha: Do you have any other suggestions for possible hooks? Sammi Brie (she/her • t • c) 22:20, 15 October 2022 (UTC)
- @Sammi Brie and Theleekycauldron: We may consider two separate hooks for both films as below:
- Alt2 for June: ...
that lead actors Neha Pendse and Siddharth Menon did not charge for the Marathi film June? - Alt3 for June: ...
that although shot within 18 days in 2019, the Marathi film June was publicly released in 2021 becoming first film on the newly launched OTT platform Planet Marathi? - Alt4 for Dhurala:
... that writers and directors of the 2020 Marathi film Dhurala had adapted it as a play in 2013? - Alt5 for Dhurala:
... that Alka Kubal and Sonalee Kulkarni were both nominated for Filmfare Marathi Best Supporting Actress award for their roles in Dhurala? - Alt6 for Dhurala:
... that while Alka Kubal and Sonalee Kulkarni were both nominated for Filmfare Marathi Best Supporting Actress for their roles in Dhurala, Kulkarni shared the award with Geetanjali Kulkarni?
- Alt2 for June: ...
- I hope some of these acceptable to you. §§Dharmadhyaksha§§ {Talk / Edits} 05:33, 17 October 2022 (UTC)
- @Dharmadhyaksha: ALT2 intrigues me :) I think I'd probably want a different hook for Dhurala, though. What do you think, Sammi? theleekycauldron (talk • contribs) (she/her) 19:37, 17 October 2022 (UTC)
- I also think ALT2 is a promising angle. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 01:27, 20 October 2022 (UTC)
- @Narutolovehinata5, Theleekycauldron, and Sammi Brie: I think someone has to review now...! §§Dharmadhyaksha§§ {Talk / Edits} 05:12, 2 November 2022 (UTC)
- I'm good with ALT2. (Not applying a tick simply because Dhurala doesn't have an approved hook) Sammi Brie (she/her • t • c) 06:09, 2 November 2022 (UTC)
- I cant think of anything else. Maybe you guys can suggest something for Dhurala or rephrase above Alts to make them interesting. Its actually interesting that they got all 4 major acting awards (Best Actor, Actress, Supporting Actor and Supporting Actress) in an award show... But that's my synthesis. There wont be any verbatim reference saying they won all 4 acting awards. §§Dharmadhyaksha§§ {Talk / Edits} 09:54, 2 November 2022 (UTC)
- I'm good with ALT2. (Not applying a tick simply because Dhurala doesn't have an approved hook) Sammi Brie (she/her • t • c) 06:09, 2 November 2022 (UTC)
- @Narutolovehinata5, Theleekycauldron, and Sammi Brie: I think someone has to review now...! §§Dharmadhyaksha§§ {Talk / Edits} 05:12, 2 November 2022 (UTC)
- I also think ALT2 is a promising angle. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 01:27, 20 October 2022 (UTC)
- @Dharmadhyaksha: ALT2 intrigues me :) I think I'd probably want a different hook for Dhurala, though. What do you think, Sammi? theleekycauldron (talk • contribs) (she/her) 19:37, 17 October 2022 (UTC)
- @Sammi Brie and Theleekycauldron: We may consider two separate hooks for both films as below:
- It seems there is some consensus to go with ALT2 so I will be reviewing that one. I have to note that the first footnote in the relevant sentence does not mention the "they were not charged" source, just the second footnote. As for the second footnote, I think ALT2's wording may need revision. The statement stating that lead actors were not charged did not mention Pendse by name. The one being interviewed is Menon, who is the one who said that "we didn't charge" for the film. The interview with Pendse does mention that she put her own money into the film, but does not directly say she was not charged. I would instead suggest the following below in order to match up the source better because it did not specify which actors specifically did not charge:
- ALT2a ... that the cast of the Marathi film June did not charge for their participation in the film?
- The source did not make it clear if it was all actors who did not charge or only some, so if any further revisions are needed, ALT2a could be a starting point. Another possibility could be ALT7, which focuses on Pendse instead:
- ALT7 ... that Neha Pendse, the lead actress of the Marathi film June, contributed some of her own money to its production?
- ALT7a ... that the Marathi film June's lead actress, Neha Pendse, contributed some of her own money to its production?
- Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 00:01, 4 November 2022 (UTC)
- It's been a while since this had some discussion so I'm asking for a new set of eyes to check ALT2a and ALT7/ALT7a (and I can't approve the nom anyway since ALT2a and ALT7/ALT7a are new facts); per the discussion I've struck the other options for now. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 00:23, 12 November 2022 (UTC)
I haven't done a full review, just verified the facts in ALT2a/7/7a. The "Winning national award is out of one’s hand but I am glad it happened for this film" source does say, "None of us charged anything for the film", but I'm not 100% sure if that means "every single person in the cast", so probably best to avoid ALT2a. Both ALT7 and ALT7a are approved. I would suggest that "contributed her own money" is essentially the same as "contributed some of her own money" but preferable because it's shorter; I'll leave that to the promoter to decide. -- RoySmith (talk) 17:46, 27 November 2022 (UTC)
