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The result was: promoted by Cwmhiraeth (talk) 05:34, 29 May 2019 (UTC)

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Joe Kryczka, Andrey Starovoytov, Hotel International Prague, Bunny Ahearne, Fred Page

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A place in Prague
A place in Prague
  • ... that Justice Joe and a Russian referee met at a place in Prague (pictured) and agreed to a Cold War on ice, approved by a Bunny and a Page?
    Source 1:The Globe and Mail article which mentions the four signatories on the document, and it taking place in Prague on April 18, 1972.
    Source 2: Specifically mentions the Hotel Internation Prague as the location, and confirms the four men and date.
    Houston, William; Shoalts, David (1993). Eagleson: The Fall of a Hockey Czar. Whitby, Ontario: McGraw-Hill Ryerson Ltd. pp. 76–77. ISBN 0-07-551706-X.

Created/expanded by Flibirigit (talk). Self-nominated at 18:36, 29 November 2018 (UTC).

  • Starting this review now. Will probably do it in bits & pieces.
  • ☑Y Joe Kryczka is long enough (27,000 characters), nominated just in time (created on 22 November, nominated on 29 November), and article is within policy.
  • ☑Y Andrey Starovoytov is long enough (3341 characters), nominated in time (created 24 November, nominated on 29 November), and article is within policy. Article is well-sourced and glad to see the unsourced content from the Russian article has been left on the talkpage rather than included in this article.
  • ☑Y Bunny Ahearne has been expanded enough (from 831 characters to 6200 characters, which is more than 5x), nominated in time (expanded on 28 November, nominated on 29 November), and article is within policy. Bunny appears to be his common name and so the correct article title, as I've noted in the article.
  • Question? On Hotel International Prague, three of the six sources don't seem to be independent reliable sources. [1] is a primary source, [2] and [3] are tourist sites. As such, much of the text isn't source by reliable sources. Please can you find better sources?
  • ☑Y Fred Page has been expanded enough (688 characters to 7293 characters is well over 5x), nominated in time (expanded on 29 November and nominated on same day), and article is within policy.
  • ☑Y Hook is short enough, interesting and quirky enough for April Fool's hook (or failing that, the "quirky" last slot of a normal set). The connection between articles and the Summit Series is mentioned in all five articles, and the hook is supported by [4].
  • ☑Y 5 QPQs done, as required to nominate 5 articles.
  • ☑Y Image is freely licenced, in Hotel International Prague and Joe Kryczka articles, and looks fine at 100px.
  • Hotel International Prague needs more reliable sources, no other issues. Joseph2302 (talk) 21:14, 5 December 2018 (UTC)
@Joseph2302: I did find one other usable source here for the hotel. A google search for the hotel is inherently difficult as almost all hits are for tourism sites. I will try to see if I can independently source the Czech cultural status from another site. Having said that, removing those three sources as citations still leaves almost everything else sourced. The questions then are a "four star rating" which is a tourist term would only come from a tourist web site, and the amenities. How do you feel about listing the number of rooms and conference capacity from a tourist site? Flibirigit (talk) 21:19, 5 December 2018 (UTC)
@Joseph2302: I found the Czech cultural status from a Czech web site. I also added in the Mark Baker interview here. I have also rearranged the amenities section. It includes one citation from a tourist web site to say that it is a four star hotel, and one primary source to say the hotel has 278 rooms and the conference centre. It's the best arrangement I could find, unless the entire amenities section is removed. That would also mean removing the number of rooms from the infobox. What are your thoughts? Flibirigit (talk) 22:35, 5 December 2018 (UTC)
  • ☑Y Seems fine to me for amenities section to be referenced to primary sources or tourist sites, as this is likely the only place to find them. Rest of article is sourced with reliable sources, article is clearly long enough, nominated in time, and within policy.
  • Overall, this nomination now passes, as issues on the one article have been resolved. Joseph2302 (talk) 18:20, 6 December 2018 (UTC)

I am proposing new hooks below to run as a special occasion on April 18, instead of the April Fool's Day hook above. Thanks. Flibirigit (talk) 23:32, 23 March 2019 (UTC)

Hotel International Prague
Hotel International Prague

So Flibirigit, you are saying you don't want this to run as an April fool's hook anymore? Gatoclass (talk) 02:24, 27 March 2019 (UTC).

Correct. Thank you for considering the alternate hooks. Flibirigit (talk) 17:44, 28 March 2019 (UTC)
  • approving new hook as it's well sourced, and in the articles (the April 18 date is mentioned explicitly on one article, which is enough). Joseph2302 (talk) 17:54, 28 March 2019 (UTC)
  • Returned from prep per nominator's request. One or more new, hooky hooks are needed. Yoninah (talk) 22:06, 14 April 2019 (UTC)
Adding here suggested separate hooks for the Hotel and for the people (copied from WT:DYK); @Flibirigit and Joseph2302: would you be fine with this separation, or would either or both of you prefer a variation of ALT2?
Hotel hooks:
ALT3 ... that the 1972 Summit Series, a series of ice hockey games between Soviet and Canadian players, was agreed upon at the Hotel International Prague (pictured)?
ALT4 ... that the 1972 Summit Series, the first international ice hockey games played between players from the Soviet Union and Canada, was agreed upon at the Hotel International Prague (pictured)?
People hooks:
ALT5... that Joe Kryczka, Andrey Starovoytov, Bunny Ahearne, and Fred Page approved the agreement that led to the first international ice hockey games between Soviet and Canadian players?
Narutolovehinata5 tccsdnew 23:27, 14 April 2019 (UTC)

I asked for this nomination to be returned from the prep sets because I feel the best course of action is to split it up into five separate hooks. I will start suggesting hooks tomorrow or Tuesday. I need some rest as real life has been very busy lately. Thank you for your patience and understanding. Flibirigit (talk) 02:48, 15 April 2019 (UTC)

I have begun to suggest hooks below. I hope to have some suggested for each article within a couple days. Please note, I am very busy in real life, and may not respond quickly this week. Thank you again for your patience and understanding. Flibirigit (talk) 18:41, 16 April 2019 (UTC)
Hotel International Prague
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Hotel International Prague
Hotel International Prague
Already reviewed by Joseph, but will be leaving comments here for the hooks itself. ALT6 and ALT7 are mentioned in the article text and are verified. ALT8 is interesting as well, but the article doesn't seem to mention that it's the tallest building in Prague, and indeed List of tallest buildings in Prague seems to contradict it. I actually had a preference for a hook combining ALT7 and ALT8, but since ALT8 seems inaccurate, I would instead give a preference for ALT 6 or 7 (or possibly a hook combining the two). @Flibirigit: This will be good to go once my concerns are addressed. Narutolovehinata5 tccsdnew 06:35, 20 April 2019 (UTC)
I have struck ALT8, and suggested ALT6a and ALT7a.Flibirigit (talk) 15:32, 22 April 2019 (UTC)
Honestly I'm not too fond of the new hooks, and I still think the best option would be a combination of ALT7a and ALT6, something like:
ALT16 ... that the Hotel International (pictured), the tallest example of Stalinist architecture building in Prague and a Czech cultural monument, was built to strengthen ties with the Soviet Union?
It might be too long of course and I'm open to suggestions on this. Narutolovehinata5 tccsdnew 07:32, 24 April 2019 (UTC)
I am not able to review a hook proposed on my nomination. Another opinion is needed for the multiple hooks above. Flibirigit (talk) 20:57, 27 April 2019 (UTC)
  • Nice article! Hooks are cited and interesting. Source #1 is dead but I was able to find an archive and added it to the article. I translated the text from Czech to English and it supports the hook. Article was expanded 5x within the required time. No copyright violations were found. Sources are reliable, no tags are in place, and image is licensed properly. QPQ is done. ALT7 is my favorite, followed by ALT6. Good to go. MX (✉ • ✎) 21:55, 6 May 2019 (UTC)
  • Promoting ALT7 to Prep 3. Yoninah (talk) 23:16, 14 May 2019 (UTC)
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Andrey Starovoytov
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  • Reviewer needed to check hooks. BlueMoonset (talk) 06:24, 22 April 2019 (UTC)
Approving hook ALT9 as the more impressive of the two (especially his role in the Summit Series) and supported by citations in the text. -Bryanrutherford0 (talk) 14:35, 22 April 2019 (UTC)
  • ALT9 promoted to Prep 2. Yoninah (talk) 19:50, 23 April 2019 (UTC)
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Bunny Ahearne
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Joseph has already reviewed the article itself, so only reviewing the hooks here. Both hooks are interesting, but I think ALT12 would appeal better even to non-ice hockey fans. One possible suggestion I have is to possibly mention that he was a travel agent, though this is optional. Approving ALT12. Narutolovehinata5 tccsdnew 06:35, 20 April 2019 (UTC)
  • ALT12 promoted to Prep 6. Cwmhiraeth (talk) 08:42, 22 April 2019 (UTC)
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Joe Kryczka
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  • Comment: Please consider a special occasion request for his birthdate on June 4, since the April 18 suggestion failed. Flibirigit (talk) 14:55, 22 April 2019 (UTC)
  • Reviewer needed to check hooks. BlueMoonset (talk) 06:24, 22 April 2019 (UTC)
Approving hook ALT13 as the more impressive of the two and supported by citations in the text. -Bryanrutherford0 (talk) 14:35, 22 April 2019 (UTC)
Bryanrutherford0, were the ALT13 facts in the article and properly sourced? If so, approval requires a tick before the hook can be promoted. (The same applies to your comment for the Andrey Starovoytov hook.) Note to Flibirigit: this is the third special occasion request: you withdrew the previous two, it isn't as if they failed. I think this third one is excessive—the article is already over five months old, well past the time when special occasion requests should be considered, and this would require us to hold it past six months (the standard is six weeks). That's my opinion; others may disagree. BlueMoonset (talk) 16:02, 23 April 2019 (UTC)
Yes, they're both stated and cited in the articles. I've added the ticks. -Bryanrutherford0 (talk) 16:10, 23 April 2019 (UTC)
  • Hi, I came by to promote this, but I really don't see what's hooky about ALT13. Reading the article, you have a better hook in him understanding the Russian during negotiations and not letting on to the Soviets. Yoninah (talk) 19:17, 14 May 2019 (UTC)

Here are some new hooks. I am open to other suggestions. Flibirigit (talk) 17:52, 18 May 2019 (UTC)

  • A little tweak:
  • ALT21: ... that Joe Kryczka negotiated the 1972 Summit Series agreement for Canada versus the Soviet Union without letting his Soviet counterparts know that he understood their private conversations in Russian? Yoninah (talk) 20:32, 22 May 2019 (UTC)
  • I am unable to review hooks on my own nomination. ::::::Flibirigit (talk) 21:44, 22 May 2019 (UTC)
  • @Flibirigit: I'm not asking you for a review, but whether you like the alt. Then I'll call for a reviewer. I like ALT19 and ALT21. Yoninah (talk) 22:34, 22 May 2019 (UTC)
I have no opinion. Flibirigit (talk) 04:30, 23 May 2019 (UTC)
  • O-kay. I'm going ahead and approving ALT19. The hook ref is verified and cited inline. Images in article are fair use and free-license. QPQ done. Rest of review above. ALT19 good to go. Yoninah (talk) 10:43, 23 May 2019 (UTC)
Fred Page
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I will propose hooks shortly for Fred Page, as I am actively working on some additions to the article. Flibirigit (talk) 21:17, 16 April 2019 (UTC)

I apologize for the delay in proposing a hook. I have further expanded the article. Flibirigit (talk) 20:52, 27 April 2019 (UTC)
  • ALT17: ... that Canadian hockey referee Fred Page once danced with a player at center ice after a goal was scored? source
reviwer needed for new hook. Flibirigit (talk) 20:57, 27 April 2019 (UTC)
  • ALT17 is a terrific hook, but it's slightly inaccurate; it makes it sound like he led the dance. It should say that a player danced with him. Yoninah (talk) 18:56, 29 April 2019 (UTC)
Sorry, I am not seeing the difference. Please reword as you like. Flibirigit (talk) 17:16, 30 April 2019 (UTC)
  • ALT18: ... that a player once danced with Canadian hockey referee Fred Page at center ice after scoring a goal? Yoninah (talk) 17:42, 30 April 2019 (UTC)
reviwer needed for ALT18. Also, the whole article should be reviewed since there have been substantial changes since the last review. Flibirigit (talk) 18:52, 30 April 2019 (UTC)
The article still meets the requirements, and the hook fact is mentioned and cited; for some reason the source site is not accessible in my country, so I will assume good faith for it. There are just two things that need to be clarified: the article seems to focus mostly on his hockey officiating career: is there no information about his personal life? Secondly, the lede states that he died on December 23, 1997, but the infobox and article state December 22 instead; this may need to be reconciled. Narutolovehinata5 tccsdnew 12:02, 4 May 2019 (UTC)
I fixed the typo on the death date. I found no information to include on his personal life other than his birth and death. His whole life seems to be dedicated to hockey. Flibirigit (talk) 14:29, 4 May 2019 (UTC)
I see. Well I guess we can't do anything about that. So I guess this is now good to go. Narutolovehinata5 tccsdnew 02:36, 6 May 2019 (UTC)
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General discussion
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Will be claiming Hotel International and Bunny for review, with a tentative preference for ALT8 and ALT12 for the Hotel and Bunny respectively. Another option could be to be to combine ALT7 and ALT8 into something like:

ALT15 ... that the Hotel International (pictured), the tallest building in Prague and a Czech cultural monument, was built to strengthen ties with the Soviet Union?

Narutolovehinata5 tccsdnew 17:05, 18 April 2019 (UTC)

Striking as it appears that the hook is inaccurate. Narutolovehinata5 tccsdnew 06:35, 20 April 2019 (UTC)
The nomination was split up into headers for the sake of organization, and the ability to close certain sections as hooks are promoted. Do you mind splitting up questions into the appropriate sections? Joseph2302, are you interested in continuing a review on these? Flibirigit (talk) 18:56, 18 April 2019 (UTC)
  • I'm on a Wikibreak so not going to rereview these. Joseph2302 (talk) 22:06, 18 April 2019 (UTC)
No problem, Joseph. Thanks for the update. Flibirigit (talk) 19:48, 19 April 2019 (UTC)
  •  Done Bunny and Hotel have been reviewed. As I'm currently busy with other matters, I won't have time to review all articles, and will thus leave them to another editor. Narutolovehinata5 tccsdnew 06:35, 20 April 2019 (UTC)
  • Reviewers needed to check hooks for the Andrey Starovoytov and Joe Kryczka nominations. Prep builder needed (pinging Cwmhiraeth and Yoninah) to consider the Bunny Ahearne nom for readiness; please hat individual article section when promoting instead of closing this template; this template needs to stay open until the fifth and final article nomination has been approved and promoted. BlueMoonset (talk) 06:24, 22 April 2019 (UTC)
  • ALT12 (Bunny Ahearne) promoted to Prep 6. Cwmhiraeth (talk) 08:42, 22 April 2019 (UTC)
  • All articles have been given a tick or an AGFtick, so this is ready to move to the Approved page and the three remaining individual articles promoted as the previous two have been. BlueMoonset (talk) 22:31, 6 May 2019 (UTC)
  • The only remaining article has new hooks that need reviewing; changing latest icon so it doesn't show up as approved. BlueMoonset (talk) 06:42, 22 May 2019 (UTC)
  • Noting that the one remaining article now has an approved hook. Also, since the article is about someone whose birthday was June 4, at this point we may as well move this to the special occasions section, despite my reluctance to do so earlier. Note to promoter: please promote in the usual way, closing the entire template. Thanks. BlueMoonset (talk) 07:23, 24 May 2019 (UTC)
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