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The result was: promoted by Yoninah (talk) 22:04, 27 June 2016 (UTC)

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Howard Rusk Long

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Created by Amgisseman(BYU) (talk). Self-nominated at 22:18, 8 June 2016 (UTC).

  • New enough, long enough, neutral, well referenced, and doesn't appear to have any close paraphrasing from the online sources. I've struck the alt hook since the original is vastly more interesting; AGF since its cited sources are offline and subscription-only. QPQ is in progress (it looks like the nominator is awaiting a response from you, Amgisseman(BYU)). Nice work. 97198 (talk) 14:42, 16 June 2016 (UTC)

@Amgisseman(BYU), 97198, and Yoninah: I have pulled this from prep because of sourcing, including what is cited for the hook. Ten of the sources listed, which appear to be exactly the same thing, say they are the Howard Rusk Long Correspondence, Box 12, File 5, stored at the Brigham Young University. This is WP:NOR original research, that has not been published but is stored in a box at a university repository. You really need to be able to source the article and the hook with published Tertiary sources. — Maile (talk) 19:52, 17 June 2016 (UTC)

  • Without those sources there isn't really much of an article. So I guess just pull the nomination from DYK. Amgisseman(BYU) (talk) 19:14, 27 June 2016 (UTC)
  • Hi — Maile . In this case, the material cited from the archive is from copies of newspaper clippings. Sometimes the title and date of the newspaper wasn't available, but I believe it doesn't qualify as original research. The policy for hooks says they need to be supported by a reliable source (not necessarily a tertiary source). Do newspaper clippings in special collections not qualify as a reliable source? Rachel Helps (BYU) (talk) 21:13, 27 June 2016 (UTC)
  • @Yoninah: if you want to put this back in a prep, I'm fine with that, based on the explanation above. Perhaps I erred in pulling this. — Maile (talk) 21:51, 27 June 2016 (UTC)
  • I agree with Rachel Helps (BYU); the archives are simply an offline source. Will return to prep. Yoninah (talk) 22:02, 27 June 2016 (UTC)
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