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The result was: promoted by Cwmhiraeth (talk) 05:11, 29 July 2014 (UTC)

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Horatio Chriesman

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Created by Zigzig20s (talk). Self nominated at 10:03, 15 June 2014 (UTC).

  • Length, date, hook checks out. But the article needs to be reworked to avoid close paraphrase, see [1] --Soman (talk) 09:58, 21 June 2014 (UTC)
  • I've done some rewording, if you want to have another look. For the most part, I think what you see as close paraphrasing is just matching words, not phrases. I don't think close paraphrasing exists, but perhaps someone else would like to weigh in on this. — Maile (talk) 22:52, 23 June 2014 (UTC)
  • Thanks. I did a small change, and with your rewordings I don't see any problem anymore. --Soman (talk) 09:19, 24 June 2014 (UTC)
  • Actually the source states that he wanted a site near Washington on the Brazos selected, not the city itself. Gatoclass (talk) 03:15, 27 June 2014 (UTC)
  • I found a 1907 online source that is a little clearer and edited the article accordingly. However, it still doesn't say it was Washington-on-the-Brazos. It appears to be a small community in the same county. How about:
ALT1 ... that Horatio Chriesman was a surveyor who helped choose the seat of government for the Republic of Texas?
— Maile (talk) 22:07, 5 July 2014 (UTC)
Sure, that's fine.Zigzig20s (talk) 22:20, 5 July 2014 (UTC)
  • Review of ALT1: The above reviews of the article I accept as complete, and I take it on trust that it is satisfactory. I have a problem with ALT1. The inline citations provided in the article for this hook are #6, #1 and #7 in that order. Between them, they seem to say that Chriesman offered land for the seat of government, but that his offer was rejected. The text of the article does not say that he helped to choose, and neither do the online bits of the sources. So Zigzig20s, please could you (or anybody else) either (a) give us another hook, or (b) write ALT1 into the article with an inline citation (is it in offline citation #6?). Thank you. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Storye book (talk • contribs) 15:47, 9 July 2014‎ (UTC)
  • It's been 12 days without either a new hook or a revision to the article that backs up ALT1 (if that material does actually exist; if not, then a new hook is the only option). Zigzig20s, we need to hear from you soon, and there needs to be some action. Thanks. BlueMoonset (talk) 18:09, 21 July 2014 (UTC)
  • Sorry, I've been a bit burned out with DYK's because of Felisa Vanoff, but I have a question before I suggest a new hook. Where did you find that the site he suggested would be Gay Hill? Because there is no reference at the end of that sentence, and thus I am not sure. Is it the "quarterly" reference? If so, we should add the reference there to make it clear. Actually, it would be good to add Gay Hill to the hook, as I created it fairly recently and it has, if I may say so, quite a catchy ring to it.Zigzig20s (talk) 03:18, 22 July 2014 (UTC)
  • Hello, Zigzig20s, BlueMoonset and Storye book. Ref 1 from the Handbook of Texas Online says In October 1837 Chriesman was one of a commission of five chosen to select a site for the capital of the republic. His offer of 700 acres near Washington-on-the-Brazos for the seat of government was rejected. Ref 6, Pages 185-245 of The Quarterly of Texas describes deciding on where the capital was supposed to be. Page 197 says Mound League - November 20 1837, Horatio Chriesman offered to donate four labors of land adjoining the Mound League (Old Gay Hill in Washington County was located on Mound League.) Mound League/Gay Hill is in the same county as Washington-on-the-Brazos in Washington County. According to Labors A labor is equivalent to about 177.1 acres 177.1 x 4 = 708.40 acres. I hope this has been helpful. — Maile (talk) 11:57, 24 July 2014 (UTC)

Still needs hook reviews. — Maile (talk) 15:15, 25 July 2014 (UTC)

Assuming good faith on previous reviews this is good to go with ALT1 since it appears ref 6 confirms that hook (no reason to distrust Maile). ALT2 strays away from the source a bit again, as we don't know whether he wanted Gay Hill to be the capital (he may have offered it hoping the offer would be rejected; who knows what machinations were going on in his head). Belle (talk) 14:37, 28 July 2014 (UTC)
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