Template:Did you know nominations/Fearless (Taylor Swift album)

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The result was: promoted by Theleekycauldron (talk) 09:05, 5 December 2021 (UTC)

Fearless (Taylor Swift album)

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Taylor Swift touring Fearless

... that the title of Taylor Swift's 2008 album Fearless reflects Swift's attitude to embrace the hardships in love and life? Source: "I took that word 'fearless' and I applied [it] to each one of the things that my songs deal with: getting your heart broken, having to face the fact that you're not going to be with the person you thought you were going to be with, someone apologizing to you over and over again for something they're never going to stop doing, having faith that maybe someday things will change--all of those things I thought had a fearless element to them. [...] sometimes being fearless is having fears but jumping anyway." AOL
- ALT1: ... that Fearless by Taylor Swift is the album with the most weeks (11) at number one on the US Billboard 200 of the 2000s decade? Source: "Taylor Swift's Fearless logs its 11th week atop the Billboard 200 (March 14). The album extends the chart's longest reign this decade." Billboard
- ALT2: ... that Fearless by Taylor Swift is the album with the most weeks (11) at number one on the US Billboard 200 by a female country musician? "Garth Brooks' Ropin' The Wind: the country album with the most weeks at #1. The album was on top for 18 weeks in 1991-1992. Runners-up: Billy Ray Cyrus' Some Gave All (17 weeks) and Taylor Swift's Fearless (11 weeks)." Yahoo!

Improved to Good Article status by Ippantekina on 16 November 2021 (talk). Self-nominated at 05:45, 22 November 2021 (UTC).

General: Article is new enough and long enough
New enough: Long enough:

Policy: Article is sourced, neutral, and free of copyright problems
Adequate sourcing: Neutral: Free of copyright violations, plagiarism, and close paraphrasing:

Hook eligibility:

Cited:
Interesting:
Other problems: - see below

Image eligibility:

Freely licensed:
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QPQ: None required.

Overall: Article is new enough, long enough, well-sourced, neutral, plagiarism-free. The hook is cited but I find ALT1 and ALT2 rather boring; ALT0 would be our best option but it mentions "Swift" too many times, IMO. The picture is free and used but blurry, especially when clicked on. QPQ not needed. Pamzeis (talk) 07:04, 23 November 2021 (UTC)

Pamzeis How about replacing "her" for "Swift's" in ALT0? (t · c) buidhe 22:14, 23 November 2021 (UTC)
- Works for me. ALT0 is approved with the second instance of Swift replaced with her and without the image. Pamzeis (talk) 00:50, 24 November 2021 (UTC)
  - @Pamzeis and Ippantekina: You know, it kind of makes me laugh to say this, because we could literally write that taylor swift is the goddess-queen of music and have literally no impact in promoting her art and brand. However, ALT0 rests on a primary source (an interview), and I don't think that we'd accept this kind of introspective hook for a smaller songwriter who doesn't the massive amount of name recognition if the hook rests on a primary source. If it were a quote in a mostly secondary article, fine, but I don't think this fits. theleekycauldron (talk • contribs) (they/them) 07:42, 27 November 2021 (UTC)
    ...what? I'm confused, lol (no, I wasn't actually laughing). Pamzeis (talk) 07:47, 27 November 2021 (UTC)
    can't land every joke, apparently :l. @Pamzeis, my point was that ALT0 is sourced to an interview, which is a primary source. Primary sources are generally discouraged for DYK facts, and since this hook gets into non-trivial details about the song, I'm not inclined to promote it. If the fact were sourced to a quote from swift in an article that's still mostly a secondary source, I'd run with it, but this is not that. theleekycauldron (talk • contribs) (they/them) 07:50, 27 November 2021 (UTC)
    
    the joke I was making is that it's laughable to the point of hubristic to think that we could have any impact on taylor swift's marketing by writing a promotional or shakily-sourced hook, because she's just such a widely recognized artist. theleekycauldron (talk • contribs) (they/them) 07:51, 27 November 2021 (UTC)

If ALT0 does not work, could ALT1 or 2 replace anyhow? Ippantekina (talk) 00:55, 28 November 2021 (UTC)

@Ippantekina: not if Pamzeis doesn't approve one or the other, no. theleekycauldron (talk • contribs) (they/them) 07:59, 29 November 2021 (UTC)

@BlueMoonset: is there a general idea that hook citations should be secondary sources, or does it not matter? theleekycauldron (talk • contribs) (they/them) 08:00, 29 November 2021 (UTC)

I provided a secondary source to corroborate the claim -- "In the CD's booklet, Taylor Swift provides an explanation of her definition of the word 'fearless'... it is essentially a concept album about overcoming obstacles, ostensibly written about the experiences of teenagers" Ippantekina (talk) 08:42, 29 November 2021 (UTC)

can't access, but agf, so good to go! theleekycauldron (talk • contribs) (they/them) 08:46, 29 November 2021 (UTC)

To T:DYK/P2 without image