Template:Did you know nominations/Da der Herr Christ zu Tische saß

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The result was: promoted by Yoninah (talk) 23:15, 8 July 2018 (UTC)

Da der Herr Christ zu Tische saß

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Nicolaus Herman on the title page

• ... that Nikolaus Herman published in 1560 a long Passion hymn, "Da der Herr Christ zu Tische saß" (title page of hymnal pictured), which is known because Bach composed a four-part setting of a later melody? Source: several

• Reviewed: Endangered river
• Comment: It would be nice to mention that the biographer Spitta thought that Bach may have also composed the melody, but not in 200 chars. The title of the hymnal would also be nice: Die Sonntagsevangelia über das Jahr in Gesänge verfasset für die Kinder und christlichen Hausväter (The Sundays' Gospels through the year in songs written for the children and Christian fathers).

Created by Gerda Arendt (talk). Self-nominated at 08:11, 29 April 2018 (UTC).

• This article replaces a redirect and is new enough and long enough. The image is in the public domain, the article is neutral and I detected no copyright issues. I do not like the hook because I find the second half incomprehensible. What about

• ALT1 ... that Nikolaus Herman published in 1560 a long Passion hymn "Da der Herr Christ zu Tische saß" (title page of hymnal pictured) for which Bach later composed a four-part setting? Cwmhiraeth (talk) 05:42, 28 May 2018 (UTC)

Bach composed four-part settings of many hymns, - the unique thing about this one is that nobody knows the hymn anymore, only by this setting. We can perhaps drop "later melody"?

ALT2: ... that Nikolaus Herman published in 1560 a long Passion hymn, "Da der Herr Christ zu Tische saß" (title page of hymnal pictured), which is only still known because Bach composed a four-part setting? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 07:34, 28 May 2018 (UTC)

• Right, let's go with ALT2 then. Cwmhiraeth (talk) 09:19, 28 May 2018 (UTC)

• Reopening nomination because I pulled this over discussion at Errors/DYK talk. Espresso Addict (talk) 22:47, 4 June 2018 (UTC)

ALT3: ... that Nikolaus Herman published in 1560 a long Passion hymn, "Da der Herr Christ zu Tische saß" (title page of hymnal pictured), which Bach treated to a four-part setting?

ALT3a: ... that in 1560, Nikolaus Herman published a long Passion hymn, "Da der Herr Christ zu Tische saß" (title page of hymnal pictured), for which Bach composed a four-part setting?

ALT4: ... that the title of "Da der Herr Christ zu Tische saß" (title page of hymnal pictured), a long Passion hymn by Nikolaus Herman published in 1560, alludes to the Last Supper? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 09:28, 5 June 2018 (UTC)

• Reviewer needed to check the new ALT hooks. BlueMoonset (talk) 06:40, 8 June 2018 (UTC)

I have replaced ALT3 with ALT3a because I think it flows better. Approving ALT3a and ALT4. Cwmhiraeth (talk) 05:31, 28 June 2018 (UTC)

I think it gives undue weight to the year (which I am afraid may turn readers away) but oblige to English grammar. But How about avoiding "to which", talking about flow?

ALT3b: ... that in 1560, Nikolaus Herman published a long Passion hymn, "Da der Herr Christ zu Tische saß" (title page of hymnal pictured), which Bach set for four-parts? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 08:00, 28 June 2018 (UTC)

• ALT3b is fine. Cwmhiraeth (talk) 05:19, 5 July 2018 (UTC)

• Hi, I came by to promote this, but I think ALT4 is more hooky than ALT3b. Yoninah (talk) 22:19, 8 July 2018 (UTC)

ALT4 is approved, no? (Just ALT3b better than ALT3a) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 22:22, 8 July 2018 (UTC)

• Right. Thanks. Restoring tick per Cwmhiraeth's review. Yoninah (talk) 23:14, 8 July 2018 (UTC)