Template:Did you know nominations/Arthur A. O'Leary

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The result was: promoted by Cwmhiraeth (talk) 05:19, 24 October 2019 (UTC)

Arthur A. O'Leary

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Arthur A. O'Leary

... that in 1935, Arthur A. O'Leary (pictured) became the first president of Georgetown University to have been born in Washington, D.C.? Source: "To him belongs the unique distinction of being the first native Washingtonian to hold the important post of President of Georgetown." (Ye Domesday Booke, 1939, p. 47)
- ALT1: ... that as president of Georgetown University, Arthur A. O'Leary (pictured) re-established the Graduate School of Arts and Sciences as a separate school within the university? Source:"The graduate school was formally established during those years..." (International Dictionary of University Histories, p. 176)
- ALT2: ... that as president of Georgetown University, Arthur A. O'Leary (pictured) organized inactive regional chapters of the university's alumni into a national alumni network?
- ALT3: ... that as president of Georgetown University, Arthur A. O'Leary (pictured) traveled around the United States to organize inactive regional chapters of the university's alumni into a national network?

Reviewed: Car elevator

Created by Ergo Sum (talk). Self-nominated at 20:42, 7 October 2019 (UTC).

This is just a drive-by comment for now, but I was wondering if a different hook could be suggested here. O'Leary appears to have had quite an interesting life (in particular, the parts about his career as an educator, or even about his anti-communist stance), so a hook simply saying that he was born in Washington sounds fairly bland in comparison. Narutolovehinata5 ^tccsdnew 02:17, 8 October 2019 (UTC)

@Narutolovehinata5: The communism bit was really a very minor part of his life. I wonder if that's suitable for DYK. Ergo Sum 03:00, 8 October 2019 (UTC)

I wasn't saying that we should use that as a hook, only that something better could probably be suggested here. Narutolovehinata5 ^tccsdnew 03:16, 8 October 2019 (UTC)

@Narutolovehinata5: Added an alt hook. Ergo Sum 13:27, 8 October 2019 (UTC)

Thanks, but this hook is also not very eye-catchy, and I think it's quite similar to a hook you proposed in one of your previous nominations. Maybe a different direction is needed here? Narutolovehinata5 ^tccsdnew 00:27, 9 October 2019 (UTC)

@Narutolovehinata5: Added a third hook. I think of these three, one should probably be workable. Ergo Sum 01:07, 9 October 2019 (UTC)

ALT2 might have potential, but I don't really see how that is something interesting that's unique to O'Leary. When I meant by "different direction", I was thinking perhaps something unrelated to his stint as president of Georgetown University, though perhaps to break the deadlock we could always ask for second opinions or suggestions from other editors. Narutolovehinata5 ^tccsdnew 02:11, 9 October 2019 (UTC)

How about this as a potential alternative? DYK ... as president of Georgetown University, Arthur A. O'Leary traveled around the United States to organize inactive regional chapters of the university's alumni into a national network? OhKayeSierra (talk) 02:27, 9 October 2019 (UTC)

@OhKayeSierra and Narutolovehinata5: That works for me. Ergo Sum 02:47, 9 October 2019 (UTC)

I wouldn't say it's a spectacular hook, but it's more eye-catching at least than the original proposals. Narutolovehinata5 ^tccsdnew 09:02, 9 October 2019 (UTC)

@Narutolovehinata5 and OhKayeSierra: Sounds like we're ready for a full DYK review then? Ergo Sum 15:13, 9 October 2019 (UTC)

@Ergo Sum: OK, I will review this nomination. epicgenius (talk) 03:26, 10 October 2019 (UTC)

General: Article is new enough and long enough
New enough: Long enough:

Policy: Article is sourced, neutral, and free of copyright problems
Adequate sourcing: Neutral: Free of copyright violations, plagiarism, and close paraphrasing:

Hook eligibility:

Cited:
Interesting:
Other problems: - ALT2 or ALT3 are the ones I like best.

Image: Image is freely licensed, used in the article, and clear at 100px.
Freely licensed: Used in article: Clear at 100px:

QPQ: Done.

Overall: I just want to confirm that the copyright tag is valid, i.e. there was not any copyright notice with the original publication in 1939. epicgenius (talk) 03:26, 10 October 2019 (UTC)

@Epicgenius: There is a copyright tag printed in the frontmatter of the book in which the image is located. My understanding, however, is that that copyright applies to the book qua book, not to images that are contained in the book, since often, those are not owned by the book publisher. Ergo Sum 04:58, 10 October 2019 (UTC)

@Ergo Sum: I know. I'm fine with this if the entire book is copyright-free, but I want to confirm this is the case. epicgenius (talk) 13:13, 10 October 2019 (UTC)

@Epicgenius: As I say, the book itself is copyrighted, and was published in 1939. There is no indication, however, that this particular image within the book is copyrighted. Ergo Sum 13:20, 10 October 2019 (UTC)

All right. Since there is no indication that there is copyright on the image itself, I can accept this. However, if you do find the copyright for the original image, please add it. epicgenius (talk) 13:25, 10 October 2019 (UTC)