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The result was: promoted by Carabinieri (talk) 20:20, 17 February 2013 (UTC).

Émile Mayade, 1896 Paris–Marseille–Paris

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... that in 1896 Émile Mayade won the first city-to-city motor race where the winner was the fastest finisher?

Reviewed: Tenhemad and Line of succession to the Liechtensteiner throne

Created by Chienlit (talk). Self nom at 23:50, 28 January 2013 (UTC)

Articles: are new enough (both created 25 Jan 2013); long enough (2402 & 4670); appear to be neutral, cite sources and free of plagiarism; are not BLP's
Hook: is short enough (105 chars with spaces) but is cited to German and French references which I am unable to read. I would have AGF'd the sources except I am unsure why the hook clarifies "... where the winner was the fastest finisher". Are there other races where the winner is not the fastest finisher?
Other: QPQ done; the four images in the two articles are all {{PD-US}}

Needs German and French reader to verify hook citations --Senra (talk) 13:09, 16 February 2013 (UTC)

Thank you for this review.

Point 2. Yes, that's why I chose it as the hook. It seems counter-intuitive to us today, but all previous major motoring contests were judged to have been won by people/cars/company's who were not first past the post. To wit, 1894 Paris–Rouen - Count De Dion finished first by minutes but carried a stoker, Lemaitre finished second in a Peugeot, but the judges (with all the integrity we now expect from a newspaper), decided the event was a tie between the Peugeot factory and Panhard & Levassor, the two biggest manufacturers/advertisers. In the Paris–Bordeaux–Paris- Levassor finished 11 hours ahead of the 'winner' but was excluded along with the second placed finisher because they only had 2 seats. Such was the public outrage that in 1896 the ACF decided to do it right.

I would be delighted if the hook can be clarified, but every time I try it needs more words, or a meanderering paragraph like this. We don't have simple words for such unsound practices, ... and it wasn't cheating, it was in the regulations but not in the publicity or natural expectations.

p.s. Although ACF races were orientated exclusively to speed after 1896, the general mentality of the Belle Epoque was still indifferent. Thus when the Automobile Club de Monaco organised the first Monte Carlo Rallye in 1908, the winner was judged as the cleanest and most elegant car in the display by the harbour. Different times.

p.p.s I have now added additional links (ref name="Team Dan 1896") for the stages, winners, and retirements to ameliorate any need for AGF. Chienlit (talk) 14:06, 16 February 2013 (UTC)

Great. Good to go. Chienlit's response above and "ref name='Team Dan 1896'" sources the hook. I willl continue to AGF the source(s) because I am not qualified to judge WP:RS on those sources. I note that the Team Dan web site records "Files in the ARCHIVE and PEOPLE folders on this site are part of The GEL Motorsport Information Pages" and the GEL Motorsport itself is a WP:SPS by Darren Galpin who in turn acknowledges his sources here. On that acknowledgement, I suggest the article sources are WP:RS --Senra (talk) 16:28, 16 February 2013 (UTC)

I have asked the nominator to review another article to maintain compliance with QPQ --Senra (talk) 15:12, 17 February 2013 (UTC)

Done. I, the nominator, have subjugated myself to the demands of Senra, possibly a follower of Theodore Roosevelt who 'speaks softly but carries a big tick

'. Ergo I have now reviewed Line of succession to the Liechtensteiner throne. Regards. Chienlit (talk) 19:41, 17 February 2013 (UTC)