Talk:Yakuts

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Article title: Should this be changed to Sakha in order to reflect the self-designation? I think there should at least be a page for "Sakha" that links with this page, like "see: Yakuts". But I don't know how to do this.Kyune (talk) 21:28, 3 June 2009 (UTC)

I think this page needs a lot of work--I am willing and able to write a more extensive entry for this page with extensive citations (at least from Russian-language sources), but when I tried to edit it initially, the page was automatically reverted. That was probably because I am a new user and I don't really understand how to format things correctly, despite trying to read all the help things that wikipedia has. Is there a way I can post some text as a suggestion and then other people can make sure it's formatted correctly? Kyune (talk) 22:44, 3 June 2009 (UTC)

Change to redirect

While having no direct knowledge of this topic, I view the change to a redirect as inappropriate. It was done by an unregistered user and blanked a page with a decent editing history over a year old to make it a redirect with no discussion on the talk page or explanation. They should have taken this to the talk page before proceeding on this path. ‡ MAHEWA ‡ • talk 03:06, 18 August 2010 (UTC)

Reverted as copy-paste/copyvio. Choyoołʼįįhí:Seb az86556 ^{> haneʼ} 06:43, 18 August 2010 (UTC)

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I don't think this is uncontroversial. See WP:COMMONNAME -- there needs to be some official move-discussion at least, not just one person giving an opinion. Choyoołʼįįhí:Seb az86556 ^{> haneʼ} 08:30, 18 August 2010 (UTC)

I agree with your assessment and have declined the speedy. Favonian (talk) 09:47, 18 August 2010 (UTC)

Requested move

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The result of the move request was: not seeing any consensus or strong arguments for renaming Kotniski (talk) 10:09, 6 September 2010 (UTC)

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Yakuts → Sakha — I don't know why people here are so reactionary nowadays, but if somebody want formality here is is. The reason as was said by user Kyune above is this name is highly informal and is rather a neologism from Russian language. Just google.com statistics gives 118000 results for word Yakuts and 4,510,000 for word Sakha. And I don't think any high level literature may used Yakuts instead of Sakha, just for example Britannica gives me just Sakha without any mentioning of a novelty ethnonym. Moreover, I feel that it's bad for non-English wikipedias as well, as people usually refer for English wikipedia to get a suggestion for a correct ethnonym. And as for now this way, only Azeri wiki still have an article with correct ethnonym. A. Rhein--96.49.163.21 (talk) 01:22, 20 August 2010 (UTC)

• Oppose per WP:COMMONNAME. The self-designation does not matter; we don't change Navajo to Diné, or Cree to Nēhilawē. Choyoołʼįįhí:Seb az86556 ^{> haneʼ} 01:28, 20 August 2010 (UTC)

I think it does pass as a common name, just see figures of google results. Yakuts is a reneologisation of an old incorrect word for a few other ethnicities that came to common slang by nineteen eighties. For most of the past, the word used for this ethnicity was Sakha, the Yakuts word just came to English as a result of double translation of Russian language literature very recently. All first language research papers in English always used proper ethnonym prior to nineties. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 96.49.163.21 (talk) 01:40, 20 August 2010 (UTC)

Convince me. Choyoołʼįįhí:Seb az86556 ^{> haneʼ} 01:48, 20 August 2010 (UTC)

The results from Britannica, which is noted as a comprehensive compilation of first language research, supports my position as well as wikipedia's original research and reliable sources policy.--96.49.163.21 (talk) 02:01, 20 August 2010 (UTC)

Link? Choyoołʼįįhí:Seb az86556 ^{> haneʼ} 01:52, 20 August 2010 (UTC)

If typing britannica.com is a hard labour, here is the link for large set of Sakha articles http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=Sakha+site%3Abritannica.com&aq=f&aqi=&aql=&oq=&gs_rfai= and only 3 articles using Yakuts ethnonym http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=Yakuts+site%3Abritannica.com&aq=f&aqi=&aql=&oq=&gs_rfai= . As you can see in the second case authors seem to be a second language speakers. A. Rhein.--96.49.163.21 (talk) 01:58, 20 August 2010 (UTC)

You're mixing up the hits for the people with the Sakha Republic (official name) and the language. This article is about the people. Choyoołʼįįhí:Seb az86556 ^{> haneʼ} 02:00, 20 August 2010 (UTC)

Yes google is mixing it a bit, but it doesn't however diminish an overwhelmingly large amount of ethnographic research materials from pre-electronic times also listed. There are only 2 articles now that use Yakuts ethnonym and more than a thousand for Sakha, which are overwhelmingly of ethnographic content. Britannica's main Sakha article uses Sakha as a name for this ethnic group as well A. Rhein --96.49.163.21 (talk) 03:37, 20 August 2010 (UTC)

• Neutral both names (Yakut and Sakha) are used for the people in scientific literature, see these Google Scholar searches: 125 for Yakut people, 97 for Sakha people. Markussep ^Talk 14:40, 20 August 2010 (UTC)

I need to mention that Yakut articles from scholar.google.com are not coming from first language sources in their majority. A. Rhein --96.49.163.21 (talk) 06:27, 23 August 2010 (UTC)

So, are we moving to closing of this discussion? A. Rhein--96.49.163.21 (talk) 02:37, 5 September 2010 (UTC)

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WP:CITE and other core policy

This page and the Sakha Republic one appea to be plagued by IP editors with an agenda. I had to clean out[1] stuff about "enigmatic ancient cultures" on the indigenous side, and "tricky pacts" and "sadistic" chiefs on the Yakut and Russian side. So please, if you want to introduce such stuff, make sure it is based on references to begin with, and once you do cite your references still try to hide your righteous anger, or romantic indigenism, or whatever it is you want to express, beneath a minimum of encyclopedic tone. --dab (𒁳) 09:44, 5 May 2011 (UTC)

"Yakut American"

This link seems to have become a circular reference. Kortoso (talk) 00:06, 9 July 2013 (UTC)

Unter Tungusen und Jakuten : Erlebnisse und Ergebnisse der Olenék-Expedition der Kaiserlich russischen geographischen Gesellschaft in St. Petersburg (1882)

https://archive.org/details/untertungusenun00mlgoog

In far north-east Siberia (1916)

https://archive.org/details/infarnortheastsi00dionuoft

https://archive.org/details/infarnortheastsi00dioniala

Rajmaan (talk) 03:51, 27 March 2014 (UTC

Dear "vatniks"! If you are not Yakuts, you should leave that article about my people. Nick

Turkic?

Are these Turkic people in the sense that their language is Turkic? Because in appearance they look more East Asian, rather than Turkic/ Turkish. In the same way, the Finnish language is Mongolian-like, but in appearance they are White Europeans. 217.35.246.70 (talk) 01:12, 5 May 2016 (UTC)

how can they be turkic when since ancient times, sakha, saka, saqaliba, siclab were all words denoting slavs? even the germanic word saxon and iranian sassan come from that word. and japanese sakae. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 77.28.7.179 (talk) 13:16, 27 December 2016 (UTC)

please do not confuse Turkish and Turkics, Yakuts are indeed Turkic people derived from Gokturks(who called themselves just Turks, and were renamed by Turkish historian to not confuse with Anatolian Turkish people ) — Preceding unsigned comment added by 83.99.217.129 (talk) 18:09, 20 January 2021 (UTC)

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Origin and history

This information has been removed by 38.114.114.26 with the following edit summary: "Please go to WP:SCIRS and read the section on genetics. Genetic research in to human ethnic origins must be sourced per WP:MEDRS, meaning no primary research papers (Stepanov) and no self-published sources (Gruyter)." I think it is valid and relevant content. Walter de Gruyter is a scholarly publishing house specializing in academic literature. Hunan201p, instead of edit warring against multiple editors, you should consider WP:DISPUTE.

The ancestors of Yakuts were Kurykans who migrated from Yenisey river to Lake Baikal and were subject to a certain Mongolian admixture prior to migration in the 7th century.

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-- Tobby72 (talk) 08:59, 15 April 2020 (UTC)

Requested move 19 April 2020

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The result of the move request was: No consensus buidhe 00:24, 11 May 2020 (UTC)

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• Yakuts → Sakha people
• Yakut language → Sakha language

– The main page for Sakha is referred to as Sakha. There are constantly more searches on Google for "Sakha" rather than "Yakutia." Sakha yields nearly 7 million results on Google, whereas Yakutia yields 5 million. Google Ngram shows that "Sakha" has more than twice the usage of "Yakutia" in books, with "Sakha" being the preferred term since shortly after the republic's renaming to the indigenous "Sakha." JSTOR has 2500 results for "Sakha," but only 1600 results for "Yakutia." There are many more searches for "the Sakha" than for "the Yakuts." There are more searches on average for "Sakha language" than for "Yakut language." "Sakha culture" is much more widespread in books than "Yakut culture." There are 2.80 million results for "the Sakha people" on Google, while "the Yakut people" has only 1.58 million results.

Modern scholarly works dealing with the Sakhalar such as Siberian Village by Bella Jordan and Terry Bychkov-Jordan and Words like Birds by Jenanne Ferguson also use "Sakha" rather than the exonym "Yakut." Visits by the Sakhalar to places in the modern day also have them being called "Sakha," such as when delegations from Sakha visited Fort Ross in California. Arumdaum (talk) 13:18, 19 April 2020 (UTC) —Relisting. Rotideypoc41352 (talk · contribs) 21:35, 26 April 2020 (UTC)

• Why did you delete my comment? I expressed my opinion about the names "Yakut" and "Sakha" and their interaction with each other.--Modun (talk) 07:40, 20 April 2020 (UTC)

  ? I didn't delete anything. I think you may also be confusing me for a moderator/administrator? Arumdaum (talk) 08:49, 21 April 2020 (UTC)

  There is no record of you having made a comment, Modun. — the Man in Question (in question) 20:38, 3 May 2020 (UTC)

• Support per nom.--Ortizesp (talk) 23:22, 26 April 2020 (UTC)
• Weak oppose. One needs to recognize that the modern republic of Sakha drowns out results. In reaching my oppose conclusion, I relied on the following search: "Sakha language" vs. "Yakut language" in google scholar filtered to articles after 2010. The result was 323 vs. 1520 in favor of Yakut. This tells me that in linguistics the primary name still is Yakut.--Bob not snob (talk) 06:10, 3 May 2020 (UTC)
• Oppose. As someone familiar with this subject, I certainly refer to this people as Yakuts. — the Man in Question (in question) 20:38, 3 May 2020 (UTC)

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Food

Due to low resources and not good climate they have led to hunt and eat other living animals like fishes comma end years etc 2405:204:148F:3D34:9820:DDAF:FC43:58B6 (talk) 13:13, 24 June 2022 (UTC)

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