Talk:Xenoblade Chronicles

Names in infobox

I tried adding a few more people to the artists and composers section of the infobox, which was reverted for making it too long. I understand that, but I do think we should discuss who goes there.

Here is the list as it stands now, with my proposed additions in bold and my proposed cuts in strikethrough:

Artists

• Eiji Takahashi (1, X, 2, DE, 3) – The art director for XC2, DE, and 3 seems like he should definitely be on here (he was also the lead 3D background modeler for 1 and X but that is less relevant)
• Norihiro Takami (1, X) – Art director for 1 and X; should stay
• Kunihiko Tanaka (X) – Character designer for X; should stay
• Masatsugu Saito (2, 3) – Lead character designer for 2 and 3, bigger role than Nomura for sure
• Tetsuya Nomura (2) – Only designed a few characters in 2, shouldn't supersede Saito

Composers

• ACE (1, 2, 3) – With the footnote: "Musical duo comprised of Tomori Kudo and Hiroyo "CHiCO" Yamanaka". Traditionally how they are credited, saves one space on the list.
• Manami Kiyota (1, 2, 3)
• Tomori Kudo (ACE) (1, 2, 3) – Combine with Yamanaka under ACE, with a footnote displaying their names.
• Hiroyo "CHiCO" Yamanaka (ACE) (1, 2, 3) – Combine with Kudo under ACE, with a footnote displaying their names.
• Kenji Hiramatsu (1, 2, 3)
• Yasunori Mitsuda (1, 2, 3)
• Yoko Shimomura (1)
• Hiroyuki Sawano (X)
• Mariam Abounnasr (2, 3) – I understand the idea that we can't list everyone, but if she's not here she would be the only composer not listed, and that's a bit odd. It's only one more name, and if more and more composers work on the series in the future we could reconsider then.

What do you all think? TheHumanIntersect (talk) 15:53, 8 July 2022 (UTC)

For what it’s worth, I definitely think Masatsugu Saito should be on the list considering he is the main character designer for 2 and 3. Tetsuya Nomura, on the other hand, shouldn’t be included as he only designed a handful of characters from 2. He’s just a guest designer. Unsure about Mariam Abounnasr—I’m leaning towards no, but only because she has a minor role in 2 compared to other composers. Personally, I think we should only list people who are credited for multiple games in the series. But at the same time, we should also include people who’ve been credited for two or more Xenoblade games. That being said, I think we should try to strike the right balance between the two, only to avoid making the list too long. For example, Yoko Shimomura and Hiroyuki Sawano should still remain on the list despite being credited for one game each—the reason being that they are the main composers of their game. My two cents. —MomoQca (talk) 16:38, 8 July 2022 (UTC)

Yoko Shimomura is far from the “main composer” of XC1, she did 5 songs. Abounnasr should be on there instead, not only has she contributed heavily to the instrumentation of XC2, but she composed even more songs for XC3. 2600:1700:9852:30:8DE1:3567:8139:8255 (talk) 07:25, 4 August 2024 (UTC)

Per the soundtrack credits (https://vgmdb.net/album/18946) Shimomura composed 11 songs in Xenoblade 1, including the main theme and the main battle theme. Definitely would count that as the lead composer, and that tracks with how she's credited. I still agree that Abounnasr should be listed though, I'll add her for now. TheHumanIntersect (talk) 12:57, 4 August 2024 (UTC)

updated sales numbers

Im not too good at editing myself but could someone update the sales numbers on this page and the xenoblade chronicles 3 page. per nintendo's Q4 report, sales are at 1.81 million 192.223.241.26 (talk) 17:36, 9 February 2023 (UTC)

Updated. TheHumanIntersect (talk) 18:54, 9 February 2023 (UTC)

Requested move 12 February 2023

The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review after discussing it on the closer's talk page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

The result of the move request was: no consensus. There's no consensus on whether "Xenoblade Chronicles" or "Xenoblade" is the most common name in English sources to refer to the series as a whole.

With that said, USEENGLISH doesn't mean that we have to use "Xenoblade Chronicles"; if "Xenoblade" is more commonly used in English, then USEENGLISH says we should use that. Compare with Final Fantasy VI, where we use the Japanese name instead of the original English name because everyone – even Square-Enix – uses the Japanese name in English speech now. (closed by non-admin page mover) Sceptre (talk) 11:28, 20 February 2023 (UTC)

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• Xenoblade Chronicles → Xenoblade
• Xenoblade Chronicles (video game) → Xenoblade Chronicles

– I feel that, given that Xenoblade Chronicles is not the name in all regions, there's no reason for the series article to be here and not just on Xenoblade. Plus, this would allow for Xenoblade Chronicles to have its disambig removed. If Xenoblade referred to anything else I would of course understand, but there would be no confusion if we just called it Xenoblade (which a lot of people do anyway). - Whadup, it's ya girl, Dusa (talk) 13:51, 11 February 2023 (UTC)

You make a good point. Sergecross73 msg me 13:54, 11 February 2023 (UTC)

As an Eastern reader, I'm personally glad to see that the series article titled Xenoblade, and Xenoblade Chronicles N titled Xenoblade N. (LOL) But as all four games titled Xenoblade Chronicles #, Xenoblade Chronicles, title of the overview article, seems both common and more consistency?--Lopullinen 10:05, 12 February 2023 (UTC)

I changed this to a full RM discussion based on my assumption of what the discussion creator was asking for, since that's what this seems to be and people should be notified via the proper channels. If it's incorrect at all, I have no qualms about it being changed. ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ (ᴛ) 19:18, 12 February 2023 (UTC)

Why so people keep citing WP:NATDAB? Look at the actual proposal. Both moves would be moving to titles without any disambiguation added. Sergecross73 msg me 19:10, 17 February 2023 (UTC)

I didn't mention NATDAB, but it seems to me that the lack of disambiguation in the proposal is part of the problem; looking at the titles "Xenoblade" and "Xenoblade Chronicles", the average reader would have no way of knowing which one covers the game and which the series without visiting the articles. Martin IIIa (talk) 02:07, 18 February 2023 (UTC)

I mean, if they are confused, the confusion is solved by the first sentence. Honestly, I'd argue that this position would want disambig to be added to both - so, for instance, Xenoblade Chronicles (series) and Xenoblade Chronicles (video game), as this would result in less confusion. Because of inconsistency, I think it's often confusing whether a title is a series or a game. If that's an important factor, it sounds like, for consistency, we should make all series articles the default. - Whadup, it's ya girl, Dusa (talk) 03:42, 18 February 2023 (UTC)

• Oppose: Per WP:USEENGLISH. Xenoblade Chronicles is the name in English-speaking regions, even though it's called "Xenoblade" in Japan. I don't actually know why they changed the name in English, though I am sure it's explained somewhere, but it is what it is. ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ (ᴛ) 14:45, 11 February 2023 (UTC)

Both options are English, so USEENGLISH does not apply. Sergecross73 msg me 14:48, 11 February 2023 (UTC)

Per the guideline, "the title of an article should generally use the version of the name of the subject that is most common in the English language, as you would find it in reliable sources". The fact that they are both English is not relevant to my case. ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ (ᴛ) 15:17, 11 February 2023 (UTC)

Yeah, that's kind of my point. You're really just invoking COMMONNAME. It wouldn't make sense to invoke USEENGLISH unless the article was currently at "Zenobureido" or something. Sergecross73 msg me 15:25, 11 February 2023 (UTC)

Going off this point, multiple sources in this article use Xenoblade in the title as shorthand (and not just using the Japanese title), and WP:COMMONNAME's reasons to use a more common name do not really apply here. Xenoblade is not a more confusing title, it is a shorter title, it is not less obscure since it's an inherent part of both titles, it is not a less precise title, it has no disambiguation conflict, and it's not a foreign language word that people would be confused by. - Whadup, it's ya girl, Dusa (talk) 15:41, 11 February 2023 (UTC)

Agreed. Sergecross73 msg me 15:43, 11 February 2023 (UTC)

I think that people arguably would be confused, especially if the series article was at "Xenoblade" and the game at "Xenoblade Chronicles", both a possible name for the series and first game. If you choose to open an official RM, both of those articles should be included, as they should logically both be moved to "Xenoblade" and "Xenoblade (video game)". I already gave my opinion though. ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ (ᴛ) 15:43, 11 February 2023 (UTC)

• Support: per WP:CONCISE. Series page would be moved to Xenoblade (series) in the event this article is moved. ~ Dissident93 ^(talk) 17:44, 11 February 2023 (UTC)

In that case I fail to see what the proposal would be fixing. It's swapping one disambiguation for another, and making things more confusing by having 2 different names for the series and first game. ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ (ᴛ) 20:05, 11 February 2023 (UTC)

Also if we're going to be !voting like this maybe User:MsDusa should propose a real WP:RM? ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ (ᴛ) 20:06, 11 February 2023 (UTC)

My bad, I was in a rush at the moment assumed this was for the video game. What I had meant to say was the series article would be Xenoblade while the first game's would be Xenoblade (video game). ~ Dissident93 ^(talk) 01:11, 12 February 2023 (UTC)

• Support: moving to Xenoblade (series) Xenoblade per WP:COMMONNAME and WP:CONCISE. Sources tend to refer to the series as "Xenoblade" for brevity and individual games as "Xenoblade Chronicles 2", "Xenoblade Chronicles 3", etc, so I don't think the individual game articles should be moved. TheHumanIntersect (talk) 19:09, 11 February 2023 (UTC)

• Support: per Dusa and mine comments above. Sergecross73 msg me 20:54, 11 February 2023 (UTC)
• Oppose: "Xenoblade Chronicles" instead of "Xenoblade (series)" is WP:NATURALDISAMBIGUATION; the games in the series all include the full "Xenoblade Chronicles" DecafPotato (talk) 00:43, 12 February 2023 (UTC)

No one proposed Xenoblade (series), so that's an incredibly strange reason to oppose. My proposal is actually the most strong advocation of NATDAB, because it gives us two articles without disambiguation instead of one. - Whadup, it's ya girl, Dusa (talk) 20:40, 17 February 2023 (UTC)

I had written Xenoblade (series) by mistake in my comment but meant Xenoblade, so that might be where some confusion is coming from. TheHumanIntersect (talk) 22:25, 17 February 2023 (UTC)

• Oppose: The English title is Xenoblade Chronicles, and there's no clear evidence the shorter name is the common one. O.N.R. ^(talk) 05:21, 13 February 2023 (UTC)
• Oppose: Like DecafPotato mentioned, Xenoblade Chronicles is a perfect WP:NATURALDISAMBIGUATION over Xenoblade (series), and in my searches Xenoblade Chronicles appears as a common name more than just Xenoblade. Jovanmilic97 (talk) 07:22, 14 February 2023 (UTC)
• Oppose: - Zxcvbnm's reasoning here makes the most sense to me. Reading over the support votes, I just don't see a compelling reason for a move, nor does their reasoning seem to reflect the way we usually handle titles for articles on video game series; e.g. we don't have The Legend of Zelda at Zelda (series) or Panzer Dragoon at Panzer (series) to reflect the fact that sources commonly refer to it that way for brevity.--Martin IIIa (talk) 00:02, 17 February 2023 (UTC)
• Oppose: Per WP:USEENGLISH and precedence in other video game series articles. ~ Arkhandar ^{(message me)} 18:37, 17 February 2023 (UTC)

The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

Intersection Semantics

The Story section claims "Origin failed to harness the destructive power of the [Intersection]." To my knowledge, it is never implied that the collision itself was harnessed as Origin's power source. It would be more accurate to say, "However, the reboot process was interrupted, which led to the events of XC3." I'm hesitant to make this change since giving any more details than that requires diving into the minutæ of Moebius' origin story, which is best reserved for XC3's own page. IMDCombee (talk) 04:22, 23 April 2023 (UTC)

Page for Pyra & Mythra

Should we create a page for Pyra & Mythra? They're like the second most known and recognizable Xenoblade characters after Shulk himself, to the point I'm surprised they don't have a page here yet. I'm sure they have enough references and sources to have a page of their own. HassanTNTA (talk) 16:11, 8 November 2024 (UTC)

There have been some attempts to do it, but they weren't very well done and got deleted/merged back into Xeno articles. Cukie Gherkin and I once discussed attempting to create it, but I kind of lost interest in the project, and she's got a pretty long list of other things she's working on, so I'm not sure if its still on her radar or not. I think she had some good sources tucked away in her user pages though I think? Sergecross73 msg me 17:55, 8 November 2024 (UTC)

You could try asking her HassanTNTA (talk) 16:38, 9 November 2024 (UTC)

I previously made an attempt, but it was reverted as it did not show notability in the real-world. They were specifically looking for articles, character analyses and reviews, etc. Perhaps it's time for me to consider reviving the project.--MomoQca (talk) 19:34, 10 November 2024 (UTC)

Feel free to reach out to Cukie. She had some sources pulled aside. I thought I had them somewhere but I don't think I do anymore. Sergecross73 msg me 19:47, 10 November 2024 (UTC)

Will do. Thank you! --MomoQca (talk) 20:14, 10 November 2024 (UTC)