Talk:Women in Armenia

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Domestic issues

The opening statement "Several Armenian women become sufferers of domestic abuse and violence". Does not read encyclopedic. You mean became? Over what period? Out of how many screened? I'm sure many more have died. Materialscientist (talk) 00:21, 9 May 2011 (UTC)

Placed a percentage range in the article from same source. - AnakngAraw (talk) 00:31, 9 May 2011 (UTC)

File:Armenian woman in national costume (crop).jpg to appear as POTD

Hello! This is a note to let the editors of this article know that File:Armenian woman in national costume (crop).jpg will be appearing as picture of the day on January 22, 2015. You can view and edit the POTD blurb at Template:POTD/2015-01-22. If this article needs any attention or maintenance, it would be preferable if that could be done before its appearance on the Main Page. Thanks! — Crisco 1492 (talk) 15:37, 3 January 2015 (UTC)

Picture of the day

An Armenian woman in traditional dress, photographed on a hillside near Artvin circa 1910 by Sergey Prokudin-Gorsky.

This early color photograph was created through the three-color separation process. Three black-and-white exposures were taken, using red, blue, and yellow filters. These exposures were then projected with similar colored filters to create a full-color image.Photo: Sergey Prokudin-Gorsky; restoration: Keraunoscopia

Infobox image

The infobox image should not be a fantasy painting — it should be an image of a real woman. It took me a lot of time to find one that met the license requirements, please do not continue to restore the fantasy painting. Are there any other options? Seraphim System ^(talk) 00:36, 11 May 2018 (UTC)

Fantasy image? It’s a painting of an Armenian woman in a traditional outfit. The picture you put is an Armenian girl with her back turned with a shadow covering almost her entire body. Is this really the best image you can find? I mean, really? Étienne Dolet (talk) 00:49, 11 May 2018 (UTC)

It's Orientalist art - it reinforces western sterotypes, anyone who sees it would think all Armenian women wear traditional outfits and coquettishly play mandolins, we don't need to censor that Armenian women are modern women who wear non-traditional attire and defy Orientalist sterotypes. The image I chose was the only image I could find that had a verifiable source listed, met the license requirements, and showed an Armenian woman today. I would have preferred a group image but I couldn't find one. Let me know if you find anything else.Seraphim System ^(talk) 01:05, 11 May 2018 (UTC)

No, that's your opinion. You have no source to say that that particular painting reinforces western sterotypes. It's an Armenian woman in a traditional outfit holding a traditional Armenian instrument. It has much more encyclopedic value than a random picture of some girl with her back turned to us and is covered in a shadow. At any rate, I just added a FP that I, myself, had successfully nominated a long time ago. Let me know what you think. Étienne Dolet (talk) 01:13, 11 May 2018 (UTC)

Why do I need a source for a particular painting? The literature is about Orientalist art and stereotypes of women in general. Why should the infobox image for this article be an image of a woman in "traditional costume" with her eyes lowered and a submissive body posture and not an image of a modern Armenian woman? Our readers are exposed to enough of this Orientalist bullshit.Seraphim System ^(talk) 01:23, 11 May 2018 (UTC)

It's. An. FP. Image. Not only is it suitable for this article, but it was featured on the main page of Wikipedia. You know, the first page you come across when you go on Wikipedia. That's how much quality and encyclopedic value this image possesses. On the other hand, your image is nothing but some random girl standing with her back turned with a shadow covering her body. It's more relevant to an article on the Human back than it is for an article on Armenian women. Étienne Dolet (talk) 01:27, 11 May 2018 (UTC)

random girl — girl? "it's more relevant to an article on the human back?" – You are removing an image of a woman because it shows her back? That is completely unacceptable.Seraphim System ^(talk) 01:45, 11 May 2018 (UTC)

It might be a good idea to return to image in stable version [1] (it was pretty good), but I would rather agree with Étienne Dolet. The image by Seraphim System is obviosuly inappropriate here. It's a joke. That one might be OK, but historical images fit this page better. My very best wishes (talk) 22:56, 11 May 2018 (UTC)

How is it obviously inappropriate — it's a picture of an Armenian woman. I'm pretty much categorically opposed to using photos of celebrities as representative of women in a particular country. Kim Kardashian is Armenian but she is not a Woman in Armenia, she resides in the United States. The current image was also not taken in Armenia. Orientalist art is absolutely unacceptable for an article about women — it would be like changing the Women in Turkey photo to a french painting of harem slaves. If this is not obvious, I suggest that editors review the copious literature that has been written about Orientalist art. This discussion should really focus on finding an appropriate image if they don't like the available photo. Seraphim System ^(talk) 04:07, 12 May 2018 (UTC)

First of all, I do not see anywhere in the legend of figure that is is indeed am ethnically Armenian women (yes, it was shot in Armenia). See how this is done on another similar page, Women_in_Estonia. The idea is not just to show a random women, but also to show something more on the subject. Hence the previous image was better. My very best wishes (talk) 14:01, 12 May 2018 (UTC)

Ethnically an Armenian woman? Are you saying that only an "ethnically Armenian" woman is appropriate for the page? — I hope not, because that would be disturbing. The article is about Women in Armenia, not "ethnic Armenians" in random countries. A non-"ethnic" woman would be perfectly fine, if she was of Armenian nationality (or even just part of a minority group living in Armenia). Under the circumstances, a fair use rationale might be possible. I will keep looking around. — it's best to find something representative. I don't think celebrities are appropriate at all as they are usually not representative of women in a particular country. On some of the ethnic groups articles, there seems to be a preference for group shots when possible, and I think it's a good idea here too. It can be difficult to find an appropriate image, and many of the articles don't have any infobox image.Seraphim System ^(talk) 14:47, 12 May 2018 (UTC)

Contemporary status

Following WP:BB, I removed a paragraph of what appeared to be original research or uncited academic work. There was a single citation pointing to a link behind a university login so as to be un-viewable. If someone wishes to restore the section, please just do so with working, viewable citations readable by other readers and editors. I’m not making a judgement on the veracity of the material however we cannot include large passages of unsourced, uncited text, especially if it’s OR. Please revert my edit if you can add the citations and/or would like to rewrite that graph. Would love for this article to be as good as it can be. Thanks in advance, Jm3 (talk) 13:45, 28 June 2020 (UTC)

I agree with the removal of the content. The reference URL wasn't directly accessible, but a bit of parsing shows it was ProQuest 363112355. Wikiacc (¶) 15:15, 28 June 2020 (UTC)