Talk:Wilfred Rhodes

Speed of bowling

Frank Shipston of Notts who died about four years ago told the Notts ex players association that Rhodes was not a very slow bowler. He was not as quick as Verity who was not so far short of Underwood pace(as was CWL Parker)(which can be seen on odd bits of film espc from 1938) but he was not like Bedi for instance. Prior to the mid twenties most County teams used the contrast of quick and slow bowlers to open the attack. In 1926 CG McCartney(SLA) opened the bowling for Aus in the test series. W Voce it will be recalled was a slinging spin bowler initially. See Peter Wynne Thomas's history of Cricket or access the TIMEs online which has reports on matches involving Rhodes. Probably the last regular slow bowler to open an attack was Sam Staples of Notts in the late 20's early thirties. TPB Smith did a bit in 1947 though he was quite a sharp LBG. ~~A Tillmann~~ —Preceding unsigned comment added by 89.168.174.4 (talk) 20:09, 9 December 2009 (UTC)

Rhodes did vary his pace throughout his career. He was slower, by his own admission, at the start of his career and sped up following his first tour of Australia. He did try slower bowling when he lost his bowling form a little around 1906. I believe he was quite quick for a spinner after the war and Cardus commented on this a few times. Furthermore, spinners did regularly open the attack, and it was considered quite vulgar to open with two fast bowlers - Wisden comments as such on one county around 1908 but I can't remember the exact reference. Rhodes himself opened the bowling regularly for England.--Sarastro1 (talk) 21:40, 9 December 2009 (UTC)

1930

Rhodes appeared in 22 Yorkshire fixtures in 1930 - not occasionally. ~~DR A Tillmann~~

Ambidextrous

"Unusually, he batted right-handed but bowled left-arm". This is by no means an unusual combination, and neither is the converse (bowled right, batted left). Instances are far too numerous to cite. Captain Pedant 12:39, 12 July 2007 (UTC)

Thanks, dropped that word. Tintin 12:56, 12 July 2007 (UTC)

That was quick!! :D

A quick look through some England left-arm spinners since Rhodes throws up Hedley Verity, Tony Lock, Derek Underwood, Phil Edmonds, Nick Cook, Richard Illingworth and Phil Tufnell as right-hand batsmen and only Johnny Wardle and Monty Panesar as left-handers. I may have missed some. Captain Pedant 08:36, 13 July 2007 (UTC)

Copy Edit Needed?

Could be wrong here, and if so I apologise, but the whole narrative reads like it's from a biography... 164.36.38.240 11:43, 16 October 2007 (UTC)

http://tripatlas.com/Wilfred_Rhodes - this site matches this page word for word - who's copying who? 164.36.38.240 (talk) 12:43, 10 March 2008 (UTC)

Apparently, tripatlas has copied its content direct from Wikipedia and has acknowledged the fact on its page. The Wikipedia article needs citations per WP:CITE. --Jim Hardie (talk) 14:23, 30 March 2008 (UTC)

Most wickets

The article does need work, but I've made prominent reference to the fact that he was the most prolific wicket-taker in first-class cricket ever, which strikes me as the number one fact a reader ought to get, and shouldn't be concealed among other achievements at the end of the article.KD Tries Again (talk) 19:57, 10 September 2008 (UTC)KD Tries Again

An appalling article

I entirely agree with the edit summary comment by User:SGGH after reviewing the article against the B-class criteria. The only one it passes is #6 because it has an accurate infobox and an image (of sorts). As for the rest, it is nowhere near adequate or credible coverage, the English is poor, the structure is a mess and as for links and citations.... It needs to be given a structure and then built up again almost from scratch. Worst section of all is the hearsay trivia at the end which must come out. Terrible. --Jack | ^{talk page} 21:25, 13 September 2009 (UTC)

Performance graph

Following a point made in the peer review for this article, I have removed the performance graph for Rhodes. As he was an all-rounder and not really selected as a batsman until at least 1905 but more likely 1909, it does not make sense to have a batting graph but not a bowling one; I do not feel it adds to the understanding of his career unless an equivalent graphic could be produced for his bowling which I understand is not possible at the moment. --Sarastro1 (talk) 21:01, 25 April 2010 (UTC)

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