Talk:Typhoon Bebinca

Move page

I think Typhoon Bebinca (2024) should be moved to Typhoon Bebinca. Accordthemusician (talk) 02:54, 20 September 2024 (UTC)

Requested move 3 October 2024

The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review after discussing it on the closer's talk page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

The result of the move request was: moved. Move to "Typhoon Bebinca" — Consensus supports renaming the article without the year disambiguator due to the unique significance and impact of the 2024 storm, including extensive damage and fatalities. Previous storms named Bebinca (2000 and 2006) were not classified as typhoons and did not reach the same level of impact, making additional disambiguation unnecessary. See WikiNav for incoming readership and clickstreams for the list article, which indicates a strong target to this article. (non-admin closure) 𝚈𝚘𝚟𝚝 (𝚝𝚊𝚕𝚔𝚟𝚝) 15:31, 1 November 2024 (UTC)

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Typhoon Bebinca (2024) → Typhoon Bebinca – This storm is significantly bigger then the other storms with the same name, with none of them taking up this name. 🍗TheNuggeteer🍗 11:13, 3 October 2024 (UTC)

i think so too. this storm has caused over $2 billion in damage, plus there were a good few people who died during bebinca Accordthemusician (talk) 13:00, 4 October 2024 (UTC)

Support per nom and reply CyclonicStormYutu (talk) 14:02, 4 October 2024 (UTC)

• Oppose. Bebinca's 2000 iteration and 2006 iteration caused 26 and 33 fatalities, respectively. As a result, WP:PRIMARYTOPIC likely does not apply to this storm. ArkHyena (it/its) 23:56, 8 October 2024 (UTC)

  @ArkHyena I think they don't have an article though. 🍗TheNuggeteer🍗 03:47, 9 October 2024 (UTC)

  And the damage is more compared to them. 🍗TheNuggeteer🍗 03:48, 9 October 2024 (UTC)

  Correct, neither Severe Tropical Storm Bebinca (2000) nor Severe Tropical Storm Bebinca (2006) have articles, and even if they did neither would be called Typhoon Bebinca. Andrewa (talk) 05:16, 17 October 2024 (UTC)

  Fatalities are not the main deciding factor whether or not the article is primary topic. SomeoneWiki04 (talk) 14:07, 16 October 2024 (UTC)

  Fatalities are not directly a consideration at all. They contribute indirectly as they make it more likely that the event will be covered in newspapers etc.. Andrewa (talk) 05:33, 17 October 2024 (UTC)

  Agree that primary topic does not apply, but that's because neither Severe Tropical Storm Bebinca (2000) nor Severe Tropical Storm Bebinca (2006) is commonly called Typhoon Bebinca. A hatnote at the article on the one and only Typhoon Bebinca is all that is required. Andrewa (talk) 05:07, 17 October 2024 (UTC)

• Support. Neither the 2000 nor 2006 storms have articles, and neither of them was a typhoon. So the disambiguator is unnecessary, as the proposed article title Typhoon Bebinca is unambiguous. I note 23:06, 13 February 2009 HERB talk contribs block 36 bytes +36‎ moved Typhoon Bebinca to Tropical Storm Bebinca over redirect: STS by JMA. user:HERB is currently inactive, does anyone else know what either STS or JMA means in that context?Andrewa (talk) 10:07, 11 October 2024 (UTC)

  I think it means the storm track by the Japan Meteorological Agency. 🍗TheNuggeteer🍗 11:11, 11 October 2024 (UTC)

  Yes, thank you, that's confirmed by another reply below, see my comment there. Andrewa (talk) 20:16, 14 October 2024 (UTC)

  @Andrewa: STS = severe tropical storm, one class below a typhoon on the Japan Meteorological Agency (JMA)'s intensity classification scale. For context: the JMA is the regional specialized meteorological center for the Northwestern Pacific Ocean as appointed by the World Meteorological Organization, and is thus the highest-priority source for tropical cyclone information within the Northwestern Pacific (for Wikipedia purposes, at least). ~ KN2731 {talk · contribs} 15:35, 14 October 2024 (UTC)

  Thank you! So that supports the idea that this storm was not a typhoon according to meteorological authorities, exactly as u:HERB said. But these authorities are not the last word on article names, we go by current English usage, particularly as indicated by reliable secondary sources. So the JMA usage is relevant but not determinative for Wikipedia purposes. Andrewa (talk) 20:13, 14 October 2024 (UTC)

The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

Brunei ?

Whay is Brunei mentioned in the discussion of this typhoon ? It is no where near the track of this storm. Shanghai landfall is 3000 km from Brunei. 66.91.198.199 (talk) 14:50, 3 October 2024 (UTC)

@66.91.198.199 I honestly don't know, It was sourced though. 🍗TheNuggeteer🍗 22:42, 3 October 2024 (UTC)

Re: Brunei

Pinging @HurricaneEdgar: and @Borgenland: Brunei is a sore topic in the article. An Ip mentioned it before, but I replied with "I honestly don't know, It was sourced though." Currently, an editor removed the Brunei content with a source by the Strait Times saying "The storm is not expected to affect Brunei". I researched storms near the timeline of Bebinca, with no storms hitting Brunei either way. I think this needs to be properly discussed. 🍗TheNuggeteer🍗 12:27, 16 October 2024 (UTC)

Were there direct statements from the relevant meteorological agencies attributing it to Bebinca? Or did an editor simply attribute bad weather to the storm by WP:OR? Borgenland (talk) 12:45, 16 October 2024 (UTC)