Talk:Tungipara Sheikh family

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Requested move 29 May 2022

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The result of the move request was: no consensus. Deadlock over how to best balance precision in this article title. (closed by non-admin page mover) — Ceso femmuin mbolgaig mbung, mellohi! (投稿) 04:39, 1 July 2022 (UTC)

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Sheikh–Wazed family → Sheikh family – The entire article here about Sheikh Mujib and his family and relatives with Sheikh title without any official surname as per Bangladeshi Muslim tradition! Sheikh mujib Daughters never officially use any surname like Wazed or Siddig! Currently only Sheikh Hasina‘s son use Wazed surname, when the entire article describes about hundreds of people with common sheikh title!! 2A0A:A547:22D2:0:409:825F:EE98:111A (talk) 09:00, 29 May 2022 (UTC) — Relisting. >>> Extorc.talk 11:49, 5 June 2022 (UTC) — Relisting. — Ceso femmuin mbolgaig mbung, mellohi! (投稿) 02:14, 23 June 2022 (UTC)

Oppose. Sheikh is a title that doesn't belong to any specific family. There is no way this Bangladeshi family has any claim to this name higher than any other in the world. Gonnym (talk) 09:24, 30 May 2022 (UTC)

most idiotic argument! This family use sheikh as surename, even women also use sheikh instate sheikh(a) title! If anyone use ”king” as surname doesn’t make him a monarch! Is Martin Luther King is your king! Nonsens! — 2A0A:A547:22D2:0:7D15:B87:7C73:DADA (talk) 18:51, 31 May 2022 (UTC)

Strong Support: Just take a look on article subsections, 7 of 8 family tress are descendants of Sheikh Awal, not related to sheikh hasinas husband wazed mia. Calling them Wazed family is wrong. Sheikh Hasina never use or adopted wazed surname, even wazed is a common first name in Bangladesh. Another solution will be split article and create a new wazed family article. Although only one person use wazed as sure name i.e Hasina’s son Sajeeb Wazed, even her daughter use now her married name Saima Wazed ″Hossain″. ––2A0A:A547:D85:0:4DF0:3D1A:CC2E:54B5 (talk) 08:54, 10 June 2022 (UTC)

Oppose. This title could be potentially confusing, as Gonnym pointed out. There could be some interpretation that “Sheikh family” could mean the family of a Sheikh. The Wazed addition helps disambiguate the topic. CollectiveSolidarity (talk) 05:42, 30 June 2022 (UTC)

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Requested move 18 May 2024

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The result of the move request was: no consensus. (non-admin closure) Safari Scribe^{Edits! Talk!} 10:54, 10 June 2024 (UTC)

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Tungipara Sheikh family → Family of Sheikh Mujibur Rahman – The current name of the article is Tungipara Sheikh family which is WP:OR. The name is originated from original research and no historical book or news article call this family by Tungipara Sheikh Family. This family, unlike Suhrawardy family, wasn’t part of publication or scholarly research before the creation of Bangladesh and before Sheikh Mujibur Rahman and that's why people didn’t give any specific name for the family of Sheikh Mujibur Rahman. There are many books and research papers mention the family as "Family of Bangabandhu" or "Family of Sheikh Mujibur Rahman". Bangabandhu is his title so it is reasonable to name this article Family of Sheikh Mujibur Rahman. There are sources to verify my claim. For example, see this article where it says "8 Bangabandhu family members, relatives to contest polls". The Daily Star states "Bangabandhu family to get more security, free utility, foreign treatment" (see here). Now some sources also call this family as Sheikh family. See this Bengali source where it says in title "শেখ পরিবার থেকে নেতৃত্বে যারা" (lit. 'Those led from the Sheikh family'), but if you read the content then you will get "...দশম জাতীয় সংসদে বঙ্গবন্ধু পরিবারের সাত সদস্য ছিলেন। একাদশ জাতীয় সংসদ নির্বাচনে অংশ নেওয়া বঙ্গবন্ধু শেখ মুজিবুর রহমানের পরিবারের ৯ সদস্যই প্রতিনিধিত্ব করছেন.." (lit. '...There were seven members of the Bangabandhu family in the 10th National Parliament. 9 members of the family of Bangabandhu Sheikh Mujibur Rahman who participated in the 11th National Parliament election are represented...'). Now the question is if the nine members are really from the direct bloodline of Sheikh Mujibur Rahman or not.

• Sheikh Hasina : Daughter of Mujib
• Sheikh Selim : Son of Mujib's sister
• Sheikh Fazle Noor Taposh : Son of Mujib's nephew
• Sheikh Helal Uddin : Son of Mujib's brother
• Noor-E-Alam Chowdhury Liton : Son of Hasina's cousins
• Abul Hasanat Abdullah : Son of Mujib's brother-in-law
• Sheikh Tonmoy son of Hasina's cousin
• Sheikh Salahuddin Jewel : Son of Mujib's younger brother.
• Mujibur Rahman Chowdhury : Son of Hasina's cousins.

So it is not important if they are directly from Mujib's bloodline or not, the sources still call the family as Mujib's family and that family includes relatives and even distant relatives of Sheikh Mujibur Rahman. Naming this family as Sheikh family or Sheikh–Wazed family or Sheikh–Kazi family is original research, and we should name it as Family of Sheikh Mujibur Rahman because we know the family because Sheikh Mujibur Rahman, father of the nation, came from the family. And the most important fact is reliable sources call the family by the family of Sheikh Mujibur Rahman. Mehedi Abedin 05:58, 18 May 2024 (UTC) — Relisting. Toadette^Edit! 14:40, 25 May 2024 (UTC) — Relisting. Safari Scribe^{Edits! Talk!} 00:46, 2 June 2024 (UTC)

sheikh mujibur rahman refers to his family as being the sheikh family of tungipara in his autobiography the unfinished memoirs, the family always had a specific name since it was founded and well established and was a family of repute since the 17-18th century. The article is mainly about sheikh mujibur rahman's family origins and background. Thomas Khan 45678 (talk) 07:44, 25 May 2024 (UTC)

The Unfinished Memoirs is a primary source. And using the name used by Sheikh Mujibur Rahman, who was member of the family shouldn’t be count in Wikipedia because Wikipedia mainly deals with secondary sources. See WP:PRIMARYCARE. To keep WP:NPOV, we need other independent and secondary reliable sources which state the family as Sheikh family of Tungipara. Using the words of a person from the family will be out of neutrality. Also, it is more matter the name historians/publications used for the family. Using the testimony of family members or villagers will not work.

Also, it is not matter if The article is mainly about sheikh mujibur rahman's family origins and background because that wouldn't change the fact that reliable sources call this family as the family of Sheikh Mujibur Rahman and that's the main point here. Mehedi Abedin 08:40, 27 May 2024 (UTC)

Note: WikiProject Bangladesh and WikiProject Politics have been notified of this discussion. Safari Scribe^{Edits! Talk!} 00:47, 2 June 2024 (UTC)

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